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10:00 AM
you haven't responded to that
 
@BartekBanachewicz not really... they still have the squishy meatbag (who talks about crazy things, @TonyTheLion am I right :D )
 
that's quite an assumption
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes For instance the second last here vOv
Okay, now I'm really out. ;P
 
user1804599
Is carpooling called carpooling because it's a concretion of object pools?
 
@thecoshman lol
 
10:00 AM
no.
 
cars are preallocated
 
user1804599
I like bicycles.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes IOW, I directly disagree with that.
 
if we did have auto-driving cars, and the idea of owning your own car was gone, then electric cars would be a lot easier. The biggest inconvenience would be having to stop for like 30 seconds whilst a battery bank is swapped out on a long ass journey.
 
Cars driving cars!
 
10:02 AM
after all, the only two draw backs to electric are the cost, and the fact they takes so long to charge (compared to a minutes to fill a tank of explosion)
 
@thecoshman Tesla can do battery swaps and superchargers in pretty reasonable times.
 
@thecoshman IMHO liquids are much better as energy storage
 
but more generally, for most short-distance driving you can simply recharge them overhnight
 
even if you have electric motors, just pumping out used liquid and pumping in charged one seems to make much sesne
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes, liquid fuel is a damn site more conveniant, but only for the speed of re-filling and storage.
 
10:04 AM
@thecoshman batteries explode too vOv. Everything that has a lot of energy stored in small space that's directly available has this danger.
@thecoshman I'd say it's pretty fine when it comes to pumping energy out of it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz they can do yes
 
say take the latest pure "diesel" fuel
this syntentic blue-ish stuff
it burns p much clearly and is much more efficient as an energy storage than batteries
 
user1804599
Fusion reactors or bust.
 
not mentioning the toxic waste of batteries.
IMHO liquid fuels are going to stay for a loooooong time.
 
@BartekBanachewicz imo they are basically equal, electric cells or liquid fuel... except one is a lot cleaner to use, mechanically simpler to use, less wear to use, less pollution to use
 
user1804599
10:06 AM
but not cleaner to recharge!
 
@thecoshman producing and disposing of batteries generates a lot of pollution
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's a production problem, one we can't just ignore I agree, but burning fuel is a constant cause of poultion.
 
much more than synthesizing diesel from water and carbon dioxide
@thecoshman not if it's a synthetic fuel that burns completely and doesn't generate e.g. carbon monooxide
 
do you get your electricity at the electricity mine
 
@BartekBanachewicz but we are getting better at reducing it all the time, and once a battery is made, it's more or less pollution free, unlike fossil fuel.
 
10:07 AM
@thecoshman I am not talking about fossil fuel since like 10 messages
 
@LucDanton not telling
 
@thecoshman go back, read what I wrote again, then respond again.
 
It seems inherent that direct chemical combustion would always be superior since half of the fuel/energy does not need to be carried in the vehicle.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Autonomous cars can drive "perfectly", in ways that minimise wear. They can also detect the effects of wear earlier and minimise damage from lack of maintenance.
 
@BartekBanachewicz fine, I mean 'hydrocarbon fuel'
 
10:08 AM
@thecoshman then it's not true.
once a battery is made, it has to be disposed of
that's lithium and other heavy metals that are toxic as fuck
 
@BartekBanachewicz this is something we are only just starting to get close to being able to do. And yes, if we can work out how mass synthesize hydrocarbon fuel, it probably would be better; cake and eat it and all.
 
@MartinJames Not inherent at all. It's only true for the right energy densities.
 
@BartekBanachewicz no... you use it for a rather long time, then if needs be, recycle it.
 
@thecoshman that's my point; I see it as a much better area of development than better batteries
 
@BartekBanachewicz batteries have other uses too though.
 
10:10 AM
sure, and use them for those uses
 
imo for 'city driving' electric cars are just flat out better.
 
but for vehicles, liquid fuel is still massively superior
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes By 'right', you mean 'electric storage batteries need to have a higher energy density, (explosion/fire risk). to compete with combustion engines'.
 
@BartekBanachewicz for distance driving imo
 
@thecoshman cities get bigger vOv. Infrastucture for battery loading costs.
 
10:11 AM
@MartinJames hint car engines are explosion engines hint
 
@MartinJames I just mean that your claim cannot be made in the absolute terms you made it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, now that's another problem really. cities need to get taller :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but that still means very rigoristic maintenance. I don't think it would be cheaper.
 
Ell
When we get batteries electrical will take over
 
yes Ell join the discussion in the middle ignoring everything said so far so I need to repeat myself
I just love that.
 
10:12 AM
lol
 
wait lemme.
 
@BartekBanachewicz vOv not really. autonomous cars could have constant self checks to alert of potential problems sooner. They can measure more or less everything and track for potential worries.
 
Friday
 
@sehe woah, loud!
 
10:14 AM
@thecoshman so do modern not-self driving cars
 
@thecoshman erm... I don't control the volume
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz lol sorry I only just got here
 
what robot said, that is driving style, has actual impact
 
@BartekBanachewicz But they can't control how their driving is done.
 
@sehe :O who does!
 
10:14 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I agree with that.
I just with that modern cars with automatic gearboxes are flexible enough to account for user driving more or less dynamically
 
@BartekBanachewicz Er, strict maintenance reduces damage to parts. Even if you want to be given a bone, the maintenance schedule will be whatever it needs to be at some threshold of profitability.
There's no need to OCD on it.
 
as in, I don't think automatic cars would have such a huge advantage
also, there's a lot of costly additional systems on those cars
 
@BartekBanachewicz I mean they can track how well their own sensors work, two cars passing can confirm they agree on distances and so on, their perception of the world. vOv
 
Lounge<Animal++>
 
@thecoshman isn't specific to self-driving
modern Audis are supposed to communicate with each other on crossroads
 
10:16 AM
Just look at the beasts on the list of avatars
 
hint: they aren't self-driven
 
Audi will always leave a manual drive option
 
@BartekBanachewicz no... but you said it would be expensive to ensure self driving cars are working correctly, which I am saying it would not. Yes, it would need to be done...
 
self-driving is an additional feature, not defining characteristic
 
10:17 AM
@sehe swear words censored, lol
 
@TonyTheLion yeah, rather annoying :\
 
@thecoshman ensuring it's working correctly isn't just checking if it works correctly. It's also fixing problems.
Self-driving cars need a lot more sensors and computing power and stuff
this all has to be maintained
and the roads and weather conditions impact them as much as any other car
e.g. dirt getting on cameras.
 
@TonyTheLion Oh. I thought the connection was having hickups. I heard so many offensive words it didn't occur to me it was on purpose
I wonder /what/ was censored at all
 
yeah, but the wear and tear is the mechanical shit, not the electronics.
ooooh
 
@thecoshman cough
 
10:19 AM
I just realised why Bartek doesn't want self driving cars.
 
I suppose drivers of modern cars would disagree with you after some dozen thousand clicks
 
He's worried they might work out that slowing down is a safer than speeding up.
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@BartekBanachewicz "as any other car". None of this is a disadvantage, you mean?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the weather is the same for everyone, but being more complicated is an obvious disadvantage.
@thecoshman you cut it right there.
 
@BartekBanachewicz :D
 
10:21 AM
another ad hominem and I'm plonking you. Hopefully that's simple english enough.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It brings undeniable advantages, though.
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh, I best make it a good one :P
 
Ell
the pipe; the pipe; the pipe - the pipe of life
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Of course. But when it comes to maintenance, I am still not convinced that self-driving cars would indeed make it cheaper
 
10:22 AM
@thecoshman lol
 
so far, every self-driving car has cost millions of dollars to maintain
 
sure, they are prototypes.
 
Ok, you're done refuting your own argument.
 
@BartekBanachewicz exactly... which renders that point moot
 
10:22 AM
Get to the next one.
 
My point is that you have no idea how expensive their maintenace will be
I can argue it will be more costly and you can argue opposite but I think we won't get anywhere there.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think maintenance of self driving cards would be cheaper either
au contraire, mon frere
 
I suggest we talk something that we can actually evaluate
Like parking.
Your only solution to parking issues seems to be car sharing
 
@BartekBanachewicz My point is that I'm assuming they're worth it, otherwise the question you posed initially is pointless.
 
councils spy on residents' mobile phone data and email records, ''not to hunt down terrorists but to catch litterbugs and owners of unregistered pets''.
 
10:24 AM
That would require people to not only switch to self-driving, but also abandon the idea of having an own car.
 
well imo twat jokey architects need to workout wtf 'multi story car parking' is.
 
Of course, you seem to be assuming they're not worth it, but then you shouldn't be trying to answer the question you made meaningless.
 
sadness ...
 
No, I'm just not trying to justify every possible disadvantage by saying "BUT THEY ARE SAFER WHO CARES"
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's not how I did it.
 
10:25 AM
that's how it's been turning out IMHO.
 
that safety thing is a rather big thing...
 
lounge really likes to talk about its robotic cars
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's enough for me. Parking space already exists anyway.
 
I am not saying it's not.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ask people living in London or Paris about that
it's well under what's needed
 
@Ell It will be either cheap enough, or they won't be used.
 
10:26 AM
the costs are unbelievable.
 
also... if we have self driving cars... parking would be easier than ever "drop me off exactly where I want, not some shity car park ten minutes walk away, then go park somewhere"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes see, you're finally reaching some more reasonable standpoint
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes right, of course
 
@thecoshman When driving a motorcycle, I drop off and park exactly where i want.
 
Ell
if it's too expensive people wont' buy em
 
10:27 AM
@Ell robot doesn't want you to buy one
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I'm not.
 
ha!
I've just realized how ironic is that
 
@BartekBanachewicz The question you brought up only makes sense if you consider one of those two.
 
Who is ignoring the human factor (of wanting to possess things) now? ;)
 
If they won't be used, there will be no ban on human drivers.
Simple as that.
 
10:28 AM
I don't see why we should ban human driving at all vOv
 
Because it's dangerous.
 
@BartekBanachewicz is there any non-allowed vehicle on the roads right now?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes a lot of things people do are dangerous, and yet not banned
 
@BartekBanachewicz And a lot are dangerous, and yet banned.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't like pull stats out my arse... but I'd wager around 99% of accidents are directly because of the human, not the car.
 
10:29 AM
@FlorianMargaine sure
 
@BartekBanachewicz why are they not allowed?
 
@FlorianMargaine Jets!
 
@thecoshman The current state of affairs is not relevant.
 
Ell
The reason it will be banned is ebcause you are putting other people in danger, not just yourself
 
@FlorianMargaine technical state mostly?
 
10:30 AM
@BartekBanachewicz technical?
 
Ell
but really I don't see it getting to that point
if nobody is driving then we will be using public transport
 
@Ell but well if you're sitting in your comfy cage
 
Ell
well, rails or w/e
 
why should you be afraid of a motorcyclist
 
@Ell er, self-driving cars?
 
10:30 AM
I mean a motorbike with a driver weighs like 300kg
 
@Ell But Bartek started this under the assumption we will.
 
Ell
@Puppy trains aren't self driving cars
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think it very much is, if there were basically no accidents involving cars, why would you argue we should have such a huge paradigm shift?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. That is my bad then vOv
 
clearly.
 
10:32 AM
@BartekBanachewicz ... you put others at even more risk....
 
@thecoshman no, I meant self driving cars + bikes
 
@thecoshman We have no self-driving cars to assess anything. Also, if you're going to consider the banning of human drivers after the rise of autonomous cars, autonomous cars have risen already; the shift is past.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, I see your planned scope
 
@thecoshman It's not my planned scope. It's the original scope of the discussion.
 
surely if self driving cars were to become a thing, we'd start with the likes of busses, and then taxis, and so on.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I meant "planned part of introduction", how we get from A to C
 
10:33 AM
> If [autonomous vehicles] turn out to be far safer than regular cars, would the government be justified in banning human driving completely?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah. I see.
 
2016's Apple Watch 2 will feature a camera and the ability to connect to the internet without being tethered to an iPhone.
People who spent $10k+ for a watch edition must be really happy to hear that ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes safer is not the only concern though. Else we would have banned cars already as no cars is safer than cars.
 
7 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
If they won't be used, there will be no ban on human drivers.
It's a pointless consideration that just renders the question moot.
The existence of the question implies they are worth it.
No one would ban human drivers if autonomous cars were to be pointless wastes of time.
 
10:37 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes not at all. The question is asking if we should ban something just because we have a safer alternative. It ignores any other aspect, such as cost or practicality.
 
also ignores human factor
 
We have less pollution causing forms of travel, yet still permit planes.
 
I am repeating that because robot loves to point out me ignoring it
 
Somehow this reminds me of a "law" Paris had during pollution peaks: "cars with plates ending with an odd number are not allowed to drive"
 
@thecoshman I don't think planes cause that much of pollution compared to alternatives
 
10:38 AM
@thecoshman The question clearly assumes there's some worth to their use. If you want to discuss the question in a universe where it is all moot, go ahead and do it without me.
 
So, if your only advantage that you want to consider is safety, then no. I still cannot answer the question.
 
user1804599
are you still talking about cars lol
 
Meh - the car thing is still rolling on:(
 
the question should be "should be forbid driving of all people who are willing to drive just because some of them might cause accidents"
 
Kneejerks http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2015/06/kneejerks.html In a nutshell. Related to community moderation
 
10:39 AM
@thecoshman Or if you want, I'll grant you this; you are right. And now I will ask that we discuss a similar question: "If autonomous vehicles turn out to be worth it and far safer than regular cars, would the government be justified in banning human driving completely?"
 
^ lounge relevant
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so we are to presume that all other aspects are, somehow, they same.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz and it should go on Stack Overflow because that's where questions belong
 
user1804599
@sehe ben jij een godin?
 
Ewatte?
Ah. Get it.
 
10:40 AM
My new question focuses on whether it is justifiable to move away from a mixed environment to a purely autonomous one.
 
E65watte?
 
user1804599
May 19 '14 at 8:29, by Cat Plus Plus
(haha getit pickle)
 
@buttifulbuttefly E65, bah. Don't like the taste
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's essentially safety vs freedom.
 
@rightfold get tit
 
10:41 AM
@thecoshman We just are to not assume that autonomous cars are a waste of time.
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there's nothing funny in that
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes banned full stop?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If that would be the case, we should deprecate manual cars first.
 
I have a freedom to use a vehicle to move around as long as I abide to the traffic rules
 
user1804599
don't burp and swallow
 
10:42 AM
you want to take that away from people apparently
@milleniumbug never gonna happen completely.
 
@BartekBanachewicz how have you lost freedom. In this scenario, you still have your own car, it's just rather than directly controlling it, you tell it where to go. It would be no more expensive/time consuming/hassle.
it is only safer
 
I'd like to remind you I wanted a motorbike
 
@BartekBanachewicz As was already pointed out to you, you already don't have the freedom to use any vehicle to move around.
 
you'd need to ban them outright
 
Of course, there is a lot of hypothetical there, and some people struggle with that.
 
Ell
10:42 AM
driving isn't just about getting from A to B
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sure. But I can drive a motorcycle, which you want to ban.
 
Ell
I don't think it is justified to ban human driven cars outright
 
@Ell For most people, it is.
 
@Ell Not if I want to go to C, no.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I agree, for most people
 
user1804599
10:43 AM
@MartinJames lol
 
For me if all people in cars switched to self-driving... well it would be great!
 
@Ell Also, witness the rise of driving tracks.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you still have the freedom, you just don't have the freedom to directly aim the explosive missile that is a car.
 
Ell
but for some people, which is still a lot of people, it is about pleasure
 
less fumes (assuming electric) and safer roads
 
10:44 AM
@MartinJames It’s the right time of the year, too!
 
@Ell New businesses!
 
@thecoshman that's not the same at all
 
@rightfold ..though if I wanted to go to C, I guess I should use a boat or ship.
 
pretending riding a motorcycle is just about moving from A to B is clearly showing a lack of understanding
 
Ell
I think that it would be fair to assign particular roads self-driving only
 
10:44 AM
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't have the freedom to use fireworks, it was considered too dangerous for the general public. Do I feel too dangerous to use fireworks, of course not, do I respect that the general safety of the population comes first, hell yes.
 
@Ell I think so too. I think we should start with "particular roads" being "any road".
 
user1804599
wtf
 
@thecoshman I didn't know your views are so far to the left
 
user1804599
10:45 AM
where did GH's explore feature go
 
@BartekBanachewicz if you want the experience of driving for drivings sake, you can use tracks, if you want to share the public roads, you allow the car to drive for you.
 
@Ell Under what criteria?
 
@thecoshman driving on public roads is yet another thing
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure yet. I'm trying to think of it now
 
@BartekBanachewicz which one is that?
 
10:46 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Of course the ban would be on public roads.
 
@thecoshman the one thinking people need control because they're dumb. Next up is communism.
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, it's the thing under question. It was already well stated that private tracks would still be it's own thing.
 
frankly
 
I think that computer-generated communism has a far better shot than regular communism
 
10:46 AM
@BartekBanachewicz people are dumb vOv
 
and it would be worth re-considering communism as an economic model.
 
clearly this is a vehicle for a race track.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think most people assumed private grounds were... well, private, as they are currently.
 
clearly riding it on a race track will give you "driving pleasure"
 
Ell
10:47 AM
communism has a terrible track record
 
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't say race track. There can still be 'manual' roads.
 
We need no control, so the natural selection can start working vOv
 
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@thecoshman I didn't know your views are so far to the left
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not completely, no. But if we take into account that getting the licence requires :effort:, and if we make autonomous car not require the licence, we can gradually discourage more and more people over the years.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know what you're trying to get at, but that's what it'd become in this future.
 
user1804599
10:47 AM
@Ell communism is fun in Minecraft.
 
I'm not an expert on the matter, but as far as I know, pretty much all the communist states failed because they were exactly not communist, but the people charged with overseeing the system were corrupt shitfaces.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the driving pleasure of cruising assumes moving and going places
 
something it'll be easier to avoid with computerised help
 
@BartekBanachewicz Assuming autonomous cars can be made worth it, I think it's inevitable.
 
going round and round on a track isn't even remotely like it
 
10:48 AM
@Puppy my understanding too
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well then, I'll be one of the people you'll need to chase off the streets and lock in then.
 
Tough for you.
 
I'll hopefully get a much bigger motorbike by then.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you can still get that, you just don't directly control the vehicle
 
Fuck the mere idea of banning motorbikes on actual roads. (And this comes from someone who does not drive a motorbike.)
 
10:49 AM
@thecoshman you can't get self-driving motorbikes. You can't get motorbike cruising if you ban motorbikes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ok, why can't you, btw?
 
no one said anything about banning vehicles... it is banning meat bags trying to directly control them.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how would you imagine a self-driving motorbike would work?
 
What's special about motorbikes that makes a computer unable to run one?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the need of a human to shift its weight
 
10:50 AM
<tapout />
 
@BartekBanachewicz With a computer driving it? Dunno what you expect me to answer.
@BartekBanachewicz Er. Shall I introduce you to current technological marvels?
 
@Griwes Strictly, that would only be non-autonomous motorbikes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes please do
 
@Puppy Fuck that.
 
@thecoshman which imho equates to banning two-wheeled motorcycles of today
 
10:51 AM
I would totally fuck that because it's so smart and such a hot idea
 
no idea how would your imaginary self-driving motorbike look and hopefully robot will show me one
 
The Segway PT is a two-wheeled, self-balancing, battery-powered electric vehicle invented by Dean Kamen. It is produced by Segway Inc. of New Hampshire. The name Segway is derived from the word segue, meaning smooth transition. PT is an abbreviation for personal transporter. Computers, sensors, and electric motors in the base of the Segway PT keep the device upright when powered on with balancing enabled. The rider commands the PT to go forward or backward by shifting their weight forward or backward on the platform. The PT uses gyroscopic sensors and accelerometer-based leveling sensors to detect...
 
uh, dude.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahahahahha are you calling that a motorbike?
 
10:52 AM
that's coaxial
 
If an automated car commits a traffic offence, who pays the fine?
 
it's not even remotely similar to what you need to do
 
@BartekBanachewicz What makes it impossible?
 
@BartekBanachewicz vOV we've banned shit before, we'll ban shit again. get over it you self centred ass hole?
 
10:52 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You seem to be trying to use it as some kind of an argument.
 
Bicycle and motorcycle dynamics is the science of the motion of bicycles and motorcycles and their components, due to the forces acting on them. Dynamics is a branch of classical mechanics, which in turn is a branch of physics. Bike motions of interest include balancing, steering, braking, accelerating, suspension activation, and vibration. The study of these motions began in the late 19th century and continues today. Bicycles and motorcycles are both single-track vehicles and so their motions have many fundamental attributes in common and are fundamentally different from and more difficult to...
 
@Griwes Yes, to show that having a human on top doesn't make it impossible for a computer to control it.
 
@thecoshman plonk. I've warned you.
 
@thecoshman Let's also ban hand-made burritos - people can be cut when making them!
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's vastly different from a motorcycle.
 
user1804599
10:53 AM
I should give UDP a try.
 
@Griwes You can injure someone with a burrito?
 
@BartekBanachewicz What part exactly is not feasible to automate?
 
@MartinJames see the edit
Also... it feels so much better to actually do something, instead of tell a machine to do it.
 
3 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@R.MartinhoFernandes the need of a human to shift its weight
 
Seems like well-understood dynamics there.
 
10:54 AM
@Griwes sure, show me the evidence of this being a problem and we'll start work on banning them.
 
@BartekBanachewicz How does that make it a problem for a computer to handle?
Would the computer not notice?
 
pardon me.
 
Would the computer not react properly?
What would a computer fail to do?
 
Can a machine be a cool leather daddy though?
 
I quite enjoy riding a bicycle (even if I don't do that much recently). I don't suppose I could even enjoy just sitting on a moving bicycle.
 
10:54 AM
UE is so slow
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is the reaction you propose?
 
user1804599
Have emotions!
 
darn
 
Can we stop the "can it be done"
and start "should it be done"?
 
@Griwes it's not about you enjoying yourself, it's about getting rid of a huge danger to others.
 
10:55 AM
@Griwes lol, compiling with paper, pencil and an ASM listing:)
 
I mean if a human rises up in a middle of a turn that's p much guaranteed highside
 
@thecoshman Let's kill every way to enjoy life. Life is dangerous.
 
in layman's terms, it's massive fuckup.
 
Sex is dangerous! Let's ban sex.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the computer would have to be able to shift some weight around fairly fast. It's not that hard, but it is hard.
 
10:55 AM
no computer can account for a 1/3 weight of the vehicle randomly moving around
 
@Griwes Sex is one of the main sources of death.
 
@MartinJames Bring dice, too.
 
esp. of a 2-wheel vehicle going 140+ kph
 
@buttifulbuttefly Life is one of the main sources of death.
 
@BartekBanachewicz And humans can?
 
10:56 AM
Let's ban life.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes apparently.
 
@Griwes That's... the joke :(
 
@Griwes making a borrito, dangerous to that person, their risk. Driving a car, dangerous to random people, ban that risk to other peoples health.
 
10:56 AM
Okay, since this discussion is missing the primary point it should be about, I'm out again.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The human controls both his mass and the motorbike
 
What do you do?
 
that's what makes them so beautiful
 
@thecoshman You order a burrito, someone makes it.
 
it's a machine-human union
 
10:57 AM
You create a risk for that someone vOv
 
a computer would need to control the human in order for it to work
 
Okay. Griwes out.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well generally the driver is moving his weight consciously to control it. Why they can't just sit in the seat whilst being driven... vOv
 
A human can control both himself and the machine and that's the ultimate awesomeness of motorbikes
 
@Griwes vOv you did it.
@Griwes but that person making it takes on the risk for them selves, no one else is subjected to it, they take on all due precautions.
If I stand by the street, I am at risk of some hopeless nut job driving right into me
 
10:58 AM
> Under many conditions, bikes are inherently unstable and must always be under rider control. Finally, the rider's skill has a large influence on the bike's performance in any maneuver.[9] Bike designs tend to consist of a trade-off between maneuverability and stability.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ok, to get back to the point. So it is not justifiable to ban human drivers in the name of safety because it takes away some awesome experiences?
 
18 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's essentially safety vs freedom.
 
user1804599
Ban discussions about autonomous vehicles instead.
 
you laughed.
 
@thecoshman Don't engage nonsensical arguments; it validates them.
 
10:59 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I try :\
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