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user1804599
12:01 AM
Eric Lippert downvoted you.
 
the annoying thing about these terrorists is that there's a lot of them and they're disposable and they know it
I mean when you've got stuff like suicide bombers they probably don't care that they'll die when the police comes
so they just try to do as much damage as possible for the cause or w/e
 
@AlexM. So why is Paris so vulnerable to these attacks, IIRC there's been shit happening there before
 
I don't know, we'll probably find out once all is done
like we recounted past conflicts before
 
user1804599
because Paris is dense and huge
 
all I know is that throughout the prev wars it wasn't really a bad guy does bad thing good guys react thing
 
user1804599
12:06 AM
attacking small villages isn't worth it
 
so, dunno
 
@chmod666telkitty It seems to me French police has quite a lot of power already.
 
@Elyse It's not noticably denser or huger than other large European cities like London or Berlin.
and IMO it's a valid question as to why Paris has been hit by so many Islamist attacks in the last few years
 
@Puppy The French do not have Bond, James Bond.
 
Hello
 
12:09 AM
microsoft open sourced some quantum stuff I don't understand github.com/msr-quarc/liquid
 
user1804599
With f.lux the French flag looks identical to the Belgian flag. :D
 
> You can use LIQUi|〉 to define quantum circuits, render them into a variety of graphical formats, and execute them using an appropriate simulator.
o k
 
looks neat
 
@alex not really. 100+ dead
 
is your journalist friend ok?
 
12:18 AM
He's next to me :)
 
cool
hopefully this event doesn't turn into something nastier
 
@Mr.kbok Hugs to you guise <3
 
Hi @Mr.kbok
Hope you're safe.
 
@wilx do they raid suspects homes?
 
@Mr.kbok I'm glad you're both okay.
 
12:19 AM
Wow, CNN just turned it into a cover story with blood red headline.
 
Thanks guys.
 
If anyone tries to kill you, threaten them with PHP or something.
 
@ElimGarak dammit CNN
 
lol, just my luck. 95% chance of hit. --- Misses.
 
@CatPlusPlus I see you made progress on loungeventurepg
 
12:24 AM
Not much
 
@kbok your memorable 25th birthday ... :'(
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok who is?
 
user1804599
oh, a friend
 
enum class Index : uint32_t { };    // Note: no enumerator
Index i {42};        // note: no cast
Never thought of this.
It's already usable today if you can tolerate using static_assert<Index>(2)
 
@StackedCrooked Me too. Quite clever.
 
12:31 AM
@StackedCrooked that's pretty neat!
 
Just woke up and saw what happened in Paris
I have no words :(
 
user1804599
@GregorMcGregor :(
 
@GregorMcGregor :(
 
What makes me sick is people thanking god it wasn't them. I know they're too stupid to understand what they're implying, but still annoys the fuck out of me.
 
user1804599
Earthquake in Japan.
 
user1804599
12:37 AM
RIP.
 
How strong?
 
@Elyse oh hell, really?
 
user1804599
No idea.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak magnitude 6.5
 
6.5 3 hours ago
according to Google
 
12:38 AM
Not too bad.
 
there are earthquake trackers
 
and BBC says 7.0 That's a rather large difference...
earthquaketrack.com says 6.7
 
(one thing that I found surprising when I found out was that there's a ton of tiny earthquakes happening all the time everywhere)
 
Earth is a very dynamic entity.
 
@TonyTheLion Honey, Im home! <3
 
12:40 AM
yep! at around 3.0 it gets to where you can't feel it
@Borgleader Hey
 
@jaggedSpire Hey :3
 
I would burrito but burritoing solves nothing here :(
@Borgleader how was your day?
 
reddit is down
must be all the people posting about paris
 
@jaggedSpire Pretty good, until I heard about Paris :(
such a sad day
 
I hope my family is ok.
 
12:42 AM
@AlexM. and the 12k people watching the live feed
 
live feed on reddit?
 
@AlexM. yeah
 
Did @Mr.kbok check in here?
 
yes
 
yeah, he's alright
 
12:43 AM
rerito didn't
time to panic
 
I'm sure he's fine.
 
oh no
 
user1804599
 
pretty sure rerito was living in canada or the us even tho originary from france
I remember talking to him a year or so ago
 
@Elyse talk about bad timing
 
user1804599
12:44 AM
Why?
 
user1804599
It's unrelated to the attacks.
 
@Elyse that article is going to get completely buried if anyone wants to find it
 
Ok, cool. Now I only have 20 more people to account for.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I hope theyre all fine :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I saw a mention of Facebook offering a check-in feature
 
user1804599
12:46 AM
I'm worried about @Ven who lives/lived in Paris.
 
this is fucked up
 
Rerito lives east, out of the city and he's not a metalhead afaik
 
@jaggedSpire I know. One of my friends used it already.
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok Luckily it wasn't a metal band.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes figured you'd appreciate knowing if you didn't already.
 
12:48 AM
Yeah, thanks.
 
I'm glad to hear your friend's all right.
 
Eagles of death metal isn't a metal band?
 
sounds underground as fuck
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok Precisely.
 
And an old friend already posted the mandatory "told you so about those refugees". Fucking idiot. We used to be best buddies.
He turned into a xenophobic fuck over the past five years.
 
12:50 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, a funnel is in place and all the blame is going there tomorrow.
 
have patience guys
nobody's right until we reach the conclusion
 
But Germany has not terrorist attack problem, not yet anyways ...
 
Oh, wow, radiation storm in FO4.
 
user1804599
@ElimGarak there's already a nude mod for FO4!
 
you know what game had nice radiation stuff events
 
12:53 AM
what crazy times we live in
 
STALKER
 
this world is insane
 
the first one
 
insane
 
talking about the scripted events where you had to hide
 
user1804599
12:53 AM
@GregorMcGregor the same as all the other times, except now it's much better documented.
 
@ElimGarak also mandatory youtube.com/watch?v=0w-LZrSPs5Y
doesn't have full effect if you didn't visit the glow but
 
There is the glowing sea in FO4, it's amazing balls. Really apocalypse and shit.
 
I think the glow has to be the best area in all fallout games if you're interested in the lore
 
yeah glow is so climatic
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's quite unfortunate :(
 
12:55 AM
its purpose is basically just to tell you stories
 
I was shaking from fear the whole time during there (didn't know about Rad-X then)
 
yea I also died on my first try there
 
I'm so tired I want to go to sleep
but I need to shower
 
I visited the Glowing Sea in power armor, tho. Still got irradiated as fuck.
 
12:56 AM
but I'm too tired to shower
 
I dont know why games always make irradiated stuff glow. Chernobyl is irradiated as shit and doesnt glow =/
 
user1804599
Maybe I'll buy FO4.
 
user1804599
Never done fallout before.
 
fallout 1 & 2 didn't make anything glow
 
@Borgleader it's because fictional radiation glows
 
12:58 AM
most irradiated place in fallout 1
no glow
 
@AlexM. if they had the rendering power to make shit glow, they wouldve ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yup, you're going to see a lot more of that sentiment being expressed publicly now
it's a damn shame
 
@Borgleader because making sprites bright is very hard
nobody ever did that
 
@alex coolest part of the game imo
 
yes tho it's tied with the first visit ever to the military camp for me
anyway the way we perceive radiation would be pretty hard to simulate in a game :P
if you read stories by chernobyl liquidators
the main things you feel are a metallic taste and sickness
 
1:02 AM
@AlexM. radiation tastes like metal? wut?
isnt that just a side effect of your organs failing?
 
it worked for the old fallout games because you were bombarded with messages like "You receive a large dose of radiation."
 
user1804599
Fez is a little boring.
 
user1804599
Things go too slow.
 
but in newer games that would be unacceptable unless wasteland 2
 
user1804599
Controls are too annoying.
 
user1804599
1:03 AM
Nice game mechanics though.
 
@Borgleader no, you can read about it yourself
 
> "Your eyes hurt, and there was a metal taste in your mouth. Those are the two things you felt."
 
Ell
I love michael pollen
 
there are neat documentaries about liquidators
the afterstory is also interesting
the bit about after the event and who got punished
and how russians didn't want to accept that their power plant design was substandard
so they just did what "looked good"
i.e. considered that it was usage error
i.e. the wrong people got rekt
things like these were necessary for stuff like the soviet union
still are for stuff like north korea
 
that's one place that would definitely not accept that their stuff is substandard
or rather, not accept to admit it
@fredoverflow I think that's the one I watched
 
It's by far the best.
 
there was also an imgur album
 
And I have seen dozens of Chernobyl documentaries.
 
the documentaries didn't mention the afterstory and the court decision
but the imgur album mentioned it
with pics from the court
 
1:09 AM
There are very nice pictures in Igor Kostin's book.
 
this is probably the album imgur.com/a/TwY6q/embed#0
it looks like it
 
Oh no, Igor Kostin died this year? :(
 
> Soviet leaders were supplied information originating from V. P. Volkov, head of the Kurchatov Institute’s RBMK safety research group, which made it very clear that the accident was a result of critical design flaws, but the idea that Soviet reactors were anything less than perfect could never be admitted to the world. The USSR was founded on a belief in science and had always taken pride in being a technological superpower, there was fear among the Council of a possible public backlash against nuclear power, as had occurred in America after Three Mile Island.
^ relevant bit
 
^ first picture of the accident
 
the guy died some days later IIRC
or maybe more
def dead tho
anyway I recommend the album
it's not just pics, it's pics with background info next to them
 
1:18 AM
@набиячлэвэлиь You gotta be fucking stupid
 
Validated both of these.
 
You piece of shit.
 
Ok, family is ok. I can sleep bow. Good night, foljs.
 
I dont care if he was serious or not.
 
he's sleeping
so your suspension won't solve much
 
1:18 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good night, glad to hear they are well :)
 
@Borgleader You did good.
@AlexM. I hope mods will see that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :) oh, that's excellent to hear.
good night
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Night
 
The number keeps going up, 118.
 
I've just saw a 140 popping up
 
1:19 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good to hear that. Rest easy tonight alright?
I saw 140 as well.
 
140? oh my god... it was 18 when i left work 3 hours ago
 
> Reuters: 'Around 140 dead'
 
lowest report is now 118
 
Ah, man, fuck this whole situation.
> The number of casualties is unknown, but at least 150 people are reported to have died, including about 120 at the theatre.
 
> The death toll being reported in different outlets does vary - but all put the number of dead as at least 118. - BBC live feed, 1:04 UTC
 
1:21 AM
They took hostages and then killed them one by one, I've heard.
 
> The police reported that approximately 100 people had been killed at the theatre
Jesus Christ, I'd torture them for funzies. (the aggressors)
 
Won't make much of a difference
 
nauseating
 
@Jefery That's my guess too. I saw the number "100 taken hostage in theater". And "100 killed at theater". You know what that implies right?
 
@GregorMcGregor Did you have any family/friends in Paris?
are they okay?
 
1:22 AM
@Mysticial Eh
 
Most of my friends and family have reported OK, not everyone so far has. Still waiting.
 
@GregorMcGregor :(
 
@GregorMcGregor Oh, I hope the rest check in soon :)
 
They might be in bed
 
this is madness
 
1:24 AM
@Jefery I imagine it would be hard to be in bed with all that going on.
 
IRTA they might be dead, jesus, I need my eyes examined.
I am just curious how the hell 3 assholes managed to control a crowd of 100 people and not only that, execute them 1 by 1. There's a breaking point where you get a riot.
 
They had guns?
 
Well, hostages cooperate as long as it means of staying alive. For example, Flight 93 was cooperating until they realized they're fucked if they do nothing.
 
@ElimGarak I doubt it was one-by-one. If that happened, the hostages would have fought back. It's more likely they sprayed machine guns into the crowd.
 
Things like these make me think of the good sides of limited gun control.
Can you imagine this happening in the USA?
 
1:27 AM
@Jefery people shoot each other more often in the USA
 
The headlines would have been "3 pieces of shit try to take control of the city, but after a couple of casualties they have been all shot dead".
 
I don't remember many shootings where civilians shot back in the USA
do you know of any?
 
I bet they didn't start with "We're just going to kill you all one by one," more either something to control everyone, and then made the survivors think they could live through it if they just followed instructions, or did what Mysticial said and just machine-gunned the crowd.
 
@AlexM. I don't remember terrorist attacks other than 9/11
 
Wellp, Paris is officially on my blacklist.
 
1:28 AM
And in one of the planes they did "fight" back
 
I fear for the future
 
Like, "We're going to take you all hostage, but you can live through this if you do everything we say"
 
@Jefery that doesn't make sense
 
"We believe you. You're totally good for it."
 
@AlexM. How so?
 
1:29 AM
it's not like someone says "oh this guy is shooting all of us, but I won't shoot back because he's not a terrorist"
 
and then start killing with the excuse that the people they killed didn't follow instructions
 
@AlexM. Hmm, what?
 
you really changed your nick to @Jefery lol
 
@Jefery what do you mean what
you're asking yourself if giving people guns more easily would fix this
and I told you that the US has lots of shootings
 
There's no "fixing" to this
 
1:30 AM
and then I asked you
to give me an example
of a shooting where a civilian shot back and stopped it i.e. where the police didn't stop it
 
it's not so much that they honestly believe the assholes shooting people, more that it's a choice between certain death trying to kill the guy to less certain death behaving
 
One thing I did contemplate with all the gun control. So, you have a gun at the ready, you spotted a dude with an AK47 moving towards a group of people, but he hasn't made you yet. You can take him down before he takes a shot. Do you wait for him to kill at least a few people so you are justified or do you put him down immediately? Or do you walk away and let them die so that you don't suffer any consequences of a society looking for someone to blame?
 
I just said that it might have limited the damage, in this particular situation.
 
then you said "I don't know of any terrorist attack other than 9/11"
which is a rather silly reply because nobody was talking about terrorists there but anyway I played along
 
I have a terrible memory, sue me.
 
1:31 AM
I don't even know why I wasted my time pasting all that tbh
 
@AlexM. (this is a terrorist attack)
(the implicit context is terrorist attacks)
 
@Jefery yes, and then I said
> it's not like someone says "oh this guy is shooting all of us, but I won't shoot back because he's not a terrorist"
 
I don't remember many attacks in the USA
 
guns don't fix anything
 
whether or not the shooter is a terrorist is irrelevant to the armed civilian i.e. the one you're focusing on
 
1:32 AM
education fixes everything
 
Most of those I read on the paper and forget the day after
 
@Jefery you talk out of your ass as usual iow
 
@GregorMcGregor Education under gun point!
 
Ok
 
Imagine you're in that theater. 3 heavily armed terrorists have taken you and 100 others hostage. You have a handgun. And your family is with you. What would you do?
 
1:33 AM
I don't think any civilian will really risk putting down a terrorist. Even if he puts all of them down, before they act, you're the terrorist then. People have no idea what's going on, a few people are dead. And you're holding a gun. And boy, the greeting you'll get by the law enforcement community.
 
IOW, arming civilians won't do shit unless there's enough of them that everyone is confident that everyone else has a gun.
And arming everyone will probably have unintended consequences for normal everyday life.
 
@Mysticial and that's the thing--you know your family's going to die if your shaky aim doesn't kill all of the attackers before they shoot back--and what guarantee is there that there are only three?
(I suspect this is your point)
 
@Mysticial armed civilians and panic is a bad mix
 
Mutually assured destruction works remarkably well, but you know, that's not really a nice society to live in.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak I'm not sure, we live in mutually assured destruction already
but it's by proxy
by the po-po
 
1:37 AM
they're probably wearing some sort of armor too so there's no guarantee that if you hit you'll actually kill them, and if you don't attack and hide instead, there's some small chance you or your kid will live.
 
There was a time when a lot of people had guns and humanity is still here. The biggest country in the world spawned from those people. It is just the lack of training or living in a rose-tinted bubble that spawns panic ("How could this be happening?!" and that line of thought). People are mushy today.
 
Ell
USA has a very different culture towards guns than other countries with lax gun laws
 
The comforts of the modern society did dull a lot of people. But our planet is far from uniform, so that comfortable lie is probably not the best thing to be living in.
@ScottW There are now as well, just the sheep dies instead of fighting like wolves.
 
@ElimGarak It's good that we live in an happy bubble
The idea is to install a happy bubble in the middle east too
 
Well, making the planet a uniform happy bubble would be great. But until then, the readiness state is atrocious. The emergency services were dumbfounded by the second attack this year. There will be some hard questions the following week.
 
1:41 AM
That's the goal I think
 
And I am wondering just how the pressure can go up until a violent response is made by France and allies.
 
@ElimGarak Today is probably it.
 
AFAIK there's no "violent response" possible
These people hide between civilians
 
That's my point, a lot of innocent people are going to die as a result.
 
Multi-nation coalition will go in there wipe out ISIS. And then there will be a power vacuum that gives rise to the next version of ISIS. Rinse and repeat.
 
1:44 AM
Too much politics for something like that happening
 
Wellp, then we wait until 500 people get wiped out.
 
why does everyone want a violent response
 
Nobody wants it, but that seems like the likely outcome. I would like everyone to hold hands, but that's not going to happen.
 
anger
 
> The total number of military and civilian casualties in World War I was over 38 million: over 17 million deaths and 20 million wounded, ranking it among the deadliest conflicts in human history.
^ sounds worse to me
I mean sure you "want" it when you're like that
 
1:45 AM
For reference, in my playthrough of Fallout 4, I killed less than 100 people. Just checked stats.
 
but think that if war starts there's no escape for anyone
 
ISIS has made an enemy of everyone... Even fucking Russia wants to wipe them out. And Putin seems to me like he's crazy enough to go through it.
 
Putin is dangerous to everyone as far as I know
 
the most "interesting" way to look at WW casualties is in terms of percentages
so you don't see that huge number
instead you see just how many more could have still died
e.g. Romania only lost 1% or so in WW1
 
"only"
 
1:48 AM
anyway, yes, I'd rather these conflicts were isolated as they are now forever
if it grows to be something bigger
3
well I hope elim won't even wait to be drafted
sounds like a real badass
> There are now as well, just the sheep dies instead of fighting like wolves.
There was a time when a lot of people had guns and humanity is still here. The biggest country in the world spawned from those people. It is just the lack of training or living in a rose-tinted bubble that spawns panic ("How could this be happening?!" and that line of thought). People are mushy today.
 
@AlexM. Ahahah, no. I am against conflict. I am just saying it is inevitable.
 
> Tourism to the area became more common after Pripyat was featured in popular video games: S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl and Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. Fans of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. franchise who gain access to the Zone and refer to themselves as "stalkers".
lolwtf
I'd feel really awkward if I visited and started calling myself stalker
@ElimGarak it's not even the conflict that's bad
 
stalker
 
it's just the idea that someone else suddenly decides where your life must end, just like that
it's probably hard to imagine it (i.e. the idea that someone else decides that you have to go somewhere to kill stuff or more likely get killed, and you have to do it)
 
Delete your company. https://twitter.com/stratfor/status/665315385781153794
 
1:55 AM
it's like this:
----------------------------------- |
^ your life now                         ^- ends here or won't ever be the same past this point
 
@Borgleader topkek
 
@ThePhD Oh hai <3
 
Time to add a star to what Cat said about Twitter
 
@ThePhD it's not twitter's fault tho :P
shitty companies are everywhere
 
@Borgleader talk about tasteless
 
1:58 AM
@ThePhD Thats has nothing to do with twitter, they would have done the same thing on FB or G+ or wtv else
 
I know, you're both right.
But still.
 
> A refugee camp in Calais, France, known as the "the jungle" is reportedly on fire, RT reported Nov. 13. The incident comes shortly after French President Francois Hollande implemented a state of emergency in the country following a spate of attacks in Paris. The reports are unconfirmed, and it is unclear what caused the fire. There are fears the fire could have been set in retaliation for the Paris attacks.
 
they all do this now. "Something bla bla bla. click here for the rest of my fucking sentence"
 
says the horrible company's site
 
Dublin,Empire State Building,Wembley and Dallas Omni all lighting up in honour of those killed in #ParisShooting https://t.co/FxPEdlgW0I
this is better.
 
1:59 AM
@AlexM. those pictures were declared to be from before tonight
 

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