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11:01 PM
@ElimGarak holy crap. an assaultron just vaporized me completely with power armor
 
@melak47 Yeah, those things are terrifying. Also, sentry bots. They got upgraded since Fallout 3.
I am wondering how exactly do they plan to enable consistent quests mods for this game as the protagonist is now voiced. Only legitimate way would be creating a new character entirely and giving him a new voice.
 
...and found another power armor. srsly, only when I'm already wearing one do I find more of them...
 
@jaggedSpire 5 hours early.
 
@Nooble :)
 
@jaggedSpire Hey I'm wondering...
If you go really late at night, do all the employees stare at you?
And give you special treatment?
 
11:07 PM
alright.
now Wide builds on Travis.
only gotta figure out how to ship build artifacts.
 
@Puppy Your website isn't working.
Then again, neither is mine.
 
I know it's down
 
damn i miss a clutch pedal
 
@ElimGarak hmm...creepy how the Synth armor parts seem to go under your skin
 
hmm
 
11:11 PM
@melak47 Have you reached the institute? :D
 
apparently you can have build artifacts automatically uploaded to Amazon S3.
that's something I guess
 
did bethesda add synths to fallout 4
 
@ElimGarak nope. got distracted by BOS quests, and when they brought up finding the institute I decided to go back to the other questline also about that :S
 
> as the protagonist is now voiced
 
nvm they existed in fallout 3 too
 
11:13 PM
Wait, what
 
@AlexM. yeah there's now a mini game where you have to make music
 
@набиячлэвэлиь As in, he/she speaks :P
 
@ElimGarak I know what that means
Do you just select a voice when creating a character?
 
wasteland 2 took care to introduce synths in a pretty awesome way
I wonder if it had any effect on bethesda introducing them in fo4
 
Ell
man 150g is not a lot of weight for a robot
 
user1804599
11:16 PM
> Zablon Simintov is an Afghan carpet trader and restaurateur who is believed to be the last remaining Jew in Afghanistan.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь Two voices, male/female.
 
now i really want to buy a G27
 
@ElimGarak Meh, lame
 
playing with a shifter and clutch is super mega much cooler
 
11:20 PM
@AlexM. Synths originated in Fallout 3 with Dr. Zimmer (head of the Synth Retention Bureau) looking for an escaped, then called, android.
 
7 mins ago, by Alex M.
nvm they existed in fallout 3 too
they definitely didn't flaunt this design back then
 
There are three generations of synths right now, the fully developed gen3 indistinguishable from humans (the one from FO3), gen2s which have weird plating on them and gen1s which have no plating and simplistic parts. :D
 
isn't fo4 taking place 200 years after fo3 tho?
 
@AlexM. 210 years after the war in 2077, so 2280s. Fallout 3 is 10 years before and how the synths came to be is a bit of a spoiler :D
 
"I have a confirmed fallen angel in sector 87"
X-Files \o/
 
11:25 PM
(not a spoiler, it's just a reworking on the basis of the old Ron intros.)
 
for a moment I thought it wouldn't have the start line
 
Not gonna lie, the intro is hot. But still reskinned Skyrim.
 
@ElimGarak and I took another partial power armor from some gunners on a highway/bridge. Also I just noticed I can command humanoid followers to put it on :D
 
I think fo1 had the best intro
the necropolis with the ink spots then the intro
 
Yeah, Fallout 1's intro was so fucking dark & creepy. Loved it. And dat voice.
For oblivious noobs.
 
11:28 PM
@ElimGarak Really? Because it looked to me especially bland and boring.
 
fo2's was a bit meh imo
 
@Puppy Tough crowd. :P
 
this is pretty accurate
 
(Tony posted already, but yes :D)
Fallout 1 was basically a one man project for a long time, completely unsanctioned, off the books wrt to the higher ups. It was never meant to be and many times came really close to not being.
 
@AlexM. not quite accurate. If this were the real news, that would have taken all of the 24 hour news cycle. But the clock stays at 21:00.
haha haha. -_-
 
11:31 PM
@ElimGarak the music :'(
 
@Nooble no, actually. I do have to talk to an actual person between 12AM and 6AM though
as opposed to using the self-sheckout
 
@jaggedSpire oooh
 
I always had this problem where I'd make really bad character builds in RPGs or rush
so I'd end up relying on tricks or luck to go forward
 
@jaggedSpire Odd, I'd expect it to be the other way around.
 
It differs by location, though. I remember the grocery store where I used to work before I graduated from college kept its self-sheckout lanes open after midnight
 
11:33 PM
not much can come close to entering the military base when you know you can't really take on a mutant without lots of tricks and luck
especially when this plays in the background
 
@Puppy me too. The first time I went, I expected to only need to nod at the person watching the self-checkout lanes on my way out, but instead I had to talk to the checker and the sacker.
horror of horrors
 
@ElimGarak yeah, speaking of creepy, the cutscene where you join the mutants is the ultimate creepiness
 
The more I program in C++ the more certain I am that I don't understand a goddamn thing
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@OmnipotentEntity don't do function traits
 
11:35 PM
@jaggedSpire wtf is a sacker
 
@OmnipotentEntity the "function traits" idea is fundamentally broken, as it assumes arbitrary function has a single signature
 
I decided to give the old bond movies a try
imma start with goldfinger
 
@milleniumbug yeah, you're completely correct, do you have a more sensible approach?
 
Airport evacuated in London. Wellp, terror is super effective.
 
@Puppy sacks your groceries for you. They don't exist everywhere, but they increase throughput at busy times of the day so you don't have the checker putting items in sacks while checking things, or the customer faffing about with the same job. It's enough of a demand so it becomes an actual job title, and they wind up with a few other duties too with sacking being their default mode, so there's a reason for one or two to be present at low-volume times as well.
 
11:37 PM
@OmnipotentEntity Don't check if a function signature has n arguments, check if the function is callable with n arguments
there's a subtle difference
 
@jaggedSpire So far I've yet to witness any customer who can't put their own groceries in the bags at sufficient speed.
 
essentially, check if f(your_arg1, your_arg2) compiles
 
@Puppy shrugs
 
through a SFINAE wrapper struct? But the problem is I need to be able to access the types of your_arg1, your_arg2, etc because I eventually have to convert variants to those types
 
@jaggedSpire sackers aren't a thing in the UK (or anywhere in the EU I've seen). Only seen them in USA grocery stores
 
11:40 PM
the other duties included bringing carts back in the store, making sure the bathrooms were clean, making sure the floor stayed clean between visits by the dedicated people for the task, putting discarded groceries back where they originated, or discarding them if they were perishable, etc...
@TonyTheLion ah, yeah.
 
@jaggedSpire You :P
 
@Borgleader yep. :P
 
@OmnipotentEntity well, you can't. You can assume a function always has a single signature (this is what you currently do), and get the arguments from it, but it breaks when there are more signatures. So you can't do that. Obviously the user must be able to tell the requested types in some other way
 
I do like that (from what I've witnessed in California) in the US they have paper bags, while in the EU (although some countries now charge for them) they have plastic bags.
At least paper bags are easy to recycle
Plastic is the worst thing ever for the environment and doesn't recycle.
 
I've not used paper bags often, but I thought they were weak and coped poorly with weather
 
11:42 PM
they had both at my store, though we were required to ask customers if they had brought their own bags to quietly guilt-trip people into purchasing and using their own
 
@TonyTheLion You can recycle plastic bags just fine. We just don't.
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion depends on the plastic
 
It IS difficult to keep up. The checkout operator only has to grab stuff, pass it over the scanner and dump it out the other end. I have to mange multiple bags, make sure that the packing is optimal, ensure that fragile items don't gt crushed and also operate the card machine.
 
@milleniumbug unfortunately, the type signature is given in the variant paper. So I assume that in the case where it's ambiguous they're expecting it to just not compile?
 
you don't need to operate the card machine until all the items have been scanned.
 
11:43 PM
@Puppy I don't know that plastic bags are easy to recycle
 
Ell
@Puppy on self checkouts at least
 
checkers get pretty fast, too. And the fragile stuff is invariably the first stuff that gets checked, so you have to make sure to keep the first groceries on top of the later groceries
 
@TonyTheLion IIRC there's actually quite a lot of stuff made from recycled plastic. The problem is that we don't go to the effort of holding on to plastic bags and sorting them properly, we just lob them away and litter them everywhere.
 
@Puppy True, but I often have to operate it while stuff is still being packed. If I serialize these operations, the whole job takes longer than concurrent execution.
 
@OmnipotentEntity what signature? example/link?
 
11:45 PM
personally though I always use a rucksack and haven't used a plastic bag in at least 14 months.
 
there's a store near me that has a recycle bin for plastic bags specifically.
 
@Puppy Yes I'm aware plastic bottles etc can be recycled, and they do get recycled. But I'm merely wondering about the plastic bags you get from grocery shopping.
They make clothing out of recycled plastic bottles and other hard plastics
 
Extra info is in open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/p0086r0.pdf on the bottom of page 3 and page 4
 
currently, the only plastic bags I get from grocery shopping are online deliveries, and the delivery driver will take back bags from previous deliveries to recycle.
 
11:46 PM
@Puppy ah nice
 
well, it's time for me to go interact with people IRL. It was actually enjoyable last week, though, so I have high hopes for this week.
 
@OmnipotentEntity Well, you know all possible types passed to the function, from the variants.
 
The hand-held self-scanners are quicker overall, but subject to variable latency. If I get selected for a 'random check', it takes longer than going to a 'normal' checkout.
 
@MartinJames I do the self checkout mostly, I could do the self scanner thingy, but they aren't in use the times I go shopping. (mostly around midnight)
 
@OmnipotentEntity so you want to check that the visitor is callable with each possible type of each of the variants?
 
11:50 PM
nice page about the chernobyl exclusion zone with pics and stuff benlovejoy.com/journeys/chernobyl/exclusion
 
@OmnipotentEntity That is, in visit(F, V<A,B>, V<B, C>) function must be callable in all these ways F(A,B) F(B,B) F(A,C) F(B,C) - and you can check if these compile
 
@milleniumbug, ouch, combinatoric explosion. But it looks required?
 
@OmnipotentEntity no explosion required, just build a set of unique types :p
 
@OmnipotentEntity PSA: i.imgur.com/5zrvaV1.gif
In mathematics, a combinatorial explosion describes the effect of functions that grow very rapidly as a result of combinatorial considerations. Examples of such functions include the factorial function and related functions. Pathological examples of combinatorial explosion include functions such as the Ackermann function. == Examples == === Computing === Combinatorial explosion can occur in computing environments in a way analogous to communications and multi-dimensional space. Imagine a simple system with only one variable, a boolean called A. The system has two possible states, A = true or A =...
 
@Griwes I don't understand.
 
11:53 PM
That's exactly an explosion :P
@OmnipotentEntity These little arrows pointing not only at an author, but also at a specific message, are useful when reading transcript. :P
 
@Griwes not really. If you have N variants each a subset of M types, you only have to check <= M types.
 
@OmnipotentEntity well, thanks to the properties of templates, you don't need to check at all - if you call them with the provided types, and it's not possible to call this way, the compiler will complain. It's only necessary to check if you want the error messages to be more comprehensible :P
 
so apple watch apparently costs $699
 
@Griwes so you're saying I should be using the button on the side:
 
@melak47 err what
 
11:54 PM
@Griwes like so?
 
@OmnipotentEntity Yes <3
 
@Griwes what what?
 
@melak47 With N variants of exactly M types each, you have to try to instantiate M^N calls...
 
@Griwes M*N
 
that's uh
that's more than an iphone
 
11:57 PM
@melak47 Err, no. One of M for the first variant, one of M for the second, ..., one of M for Nth.
 
@OmnipotentEntity BTW. are you seriously implementing a variant type? Why bother? (I did implement variant once, that was a terrible experience)
 
Reading NetBSD 7 announcement:
- Lua kernel scripting
 
@milleniumbug Then you did something wrong. :P
 
WTH?
 
@milleniumbug Homework for a 2000 level C++ course because I made the mistake of letting the professor know that I was decent at C++.
 
11:58 PM
What do they script in kernel?
 
@milleniumbug I had a lot of fun writing a (still trivial) variant :P
 
@Griwes yes I did, the wrong part was not using boost::variant :P
 
@wilx bugs
 
Although that might've been caused by the fact I do everything with lambda pack expansion.
@milleniumbug blergh
 
11:59 PM
I don't really like boost::variant.
 
Ell
How come?
 
@Ell The same reason I don't like most approaches to variants ;P (Assuming that's at me. :D)
 

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