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9:02 PM
> Now that I re-read the question, it sound like you said. I decided to give up on boost statechart, as it took a lot of time for me to understand it. I think I should delete this question as it won't be useful for anyone. – AlexandruIrimiea 1 min ago
Okay.... So there I am stuck learning another Boost library out of pure OCD :)
 
user3790646
Hello.
 
Yellow
 
Mellow.
 
your face.
 
Hi everyone
 
9:13 PM
kyku is the Submarine. Well done kyku.
 
I'm trying to make check if a type is iterable: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/602344fd1f1db160
 
no.
 
@kyku And why, if we may ask
Sounds anti-design
 
@Col
@Columbo, cause i have nothing more important to do now
I wonder why my check fails at arrays ... :-(
 
arrays are shit hth
 
@Puppy: once you explain to me why they fail with my code -- I promise not to use'em again :D
 
@Puppy continuous memory is da bomb. vector rules.
 
well, except that the explanation is worthless, since you won't be using em
 
@Puppy well, I'm pretty retro from time to time, so I'd rather my compile time check work for them
 
then don't be pretty retro from time to time
"Doctor, when I'm suicidal, I sometimes shoot myself in the head. Can you install a steel skull for me?"
 
9:19 PM
@Puppy You remind me of DeadMG, he was funny like that.
 
"was"?
 
@puppy: start taking Prozac instead of drinking - less of a chance ending up like DeadMG
 
I haven't seen DeadMG in a while.
 
I don't drink.
@CaptainGiraffe That's because he changed his name to Puppy, you blind bat
 
@Puppy There is DeadMG's quick wit again. I'm impressed.
 
9:25 PM
@kyku hint: see std::declval's return type and try defining the type that uses SFINAE'd expressions (IOW reduce your problem)
 
@milleniumbug yeah, I think the problem is std::begin/end don't work for C-array by value (for some reason ;) )
 
it's not for some reason, they explicitly take the arrays by ref.
C array by value basically doesn't exist.
 
@melak47 toss it to an initializer list.
 
9:27 PM
@melak47 sshhhh, let him find out on his own
 
but changing the decltypes to be T& does not resolve the issue and I expected that it would.
 
@Puppy but it does.
 
@Borgleader nice
 
@melak47 Didn't for me. But maybe I was looking at a cached output or something.
 
@Puppy that's why I put the wink there :p
 
9:29 PM
you can have an rvalue array in c
 
@Puppy well, I did change it to use void_t instead of varargs SFINAE
 
starting from c99 you can even formally convert it to a pointer
 
lol
@melak47 I suspected that the varargs were dodgy.
 
@milleniumbug: if declval returns && then what difference does it make?
 
9:32 PM
@kyku template< class T, std::size_t N > T* begin( T (&array)[N] ); // I dunno, you tell me
 
@kyku now read the definition of std::begin, and connect the dots
here, I'll give you a line to connect them: what can a lvalue reference bind to?
 
hmm... && + & makes &: so it should work in my humble opinion...
 
@kyku && + & ?
 
reference collapsing rules or something
 
The compiler finds your lack of & disturbing.
@Puppy maybe you missed a spot ?
 
9:37 PM
@melak47 Yeah, I forgot to make the true case take a T& argument as well as the decltypes ;p
 
still, this is meh. repeating T& all over the place, ... dodginess.
 
hmm
 
if you put T& all over the place do you still need decltype?
 
9:39 PM
tar keeps insisting that boost 1.59.tar.bz2 is not a valid bzip2.
 
@Puppy: does tar's friend file agree with him?
 
Ubuntu 15.10's version of tar handled it fine so it must just be an ancient version of tar
 
download the zip then? :/
zip. zip never changes.
 
@kyku Does declval return T&& or T?
 
T&&
 
9:45 PM
That seems awfully retarded.
Oh wait, is it because T may not be moveable?
 
not sure if it has any significance in the infinite majority of cases.
 
You can't have T as a return type if T isn't movable, right?
 
dunno.
hmm
it probably doesn't help that Sourceforge seems to be dying right now
so maybe it really is an invalid bz2
 
@melak47 regarding your answer there is an & in "std::true_type is_iterable_check(T&);" so why the hell do you need to put T& in decval ???
 
@kyku because otherwise, it returns T&&. and std::begin for C-array's doesn't take a T&&.
 
9:48 PM
you will have an identical problem with T, though, since std::begin takes a C-array lvalue ref.
 
@Puppy: check the freaking md5 or sha's
 
understandably since C arrays are shit.
 
SHA1: b94de47108b2cdb0f931833a7a9834c2dd3ca46e
MD5: 6aa9a5c6a4ca1016edd0ed1178e3cb87
you click on the "i" icon near the download links
 
@melak47: isn't T&& the so called "universal refence" that binds to lvalue refernce too?
 
9:51 PM
@kyku only to const lvalue ref.
 
@kyku No.
@melak47 That's not true either.
a raw T&& is not a universal ref. It's only a universal ref when T is a template parameter and the parameter is deduced.
 
@Puppy: condition 1 is met (I hope), I guess it's conditon 2 that is not satisfied right?
 
yep.
then, and only then, is it a universal ref.
it's a universal ref because the compiler deduces fun shit for T, like T& or const T&.
if the compiler can't perform the deduction, for any reason, it's not universal.
 
Howard Hinnant Knows How To Overkill (TM)
And OB fail
 
@Puppy I was thinking the other way around, binding a T&& value to a T& parameter
 
9:57 PM
completely not possible.
by the time you have a T&& value, T has already been deduced- the compiler can't change it.
and T& completely will not bind to T&&.
 
except on Microsoft. :D
 
yep
huh.
cannot remove built version of Boost, even with sudo rm -rf.
oh well
 
what does it say?
 
permission denied.
 
strange ;-)
 
10:04 PM
you could say that
 
Ven
I'm sure I can still shrink it
 
user1804599
What is hydration?
 
are you sure you are root after sudo ? $ sudo whoami
 
making the thing and putting the values in the thing
@kyku Doesn't matter, I don't really need to delete that stuff.
 
Ven
@Elyse ORM speak. filling an object hierarchy with raw data
 
user1804599
10:06 PM
??? boring
 
Ven
...of course?
 
it's basically an interpreter that interprets the database ;p
 
Ven
it's just that some stuff, is, ugh. I have a list of types, so I can't use any() on it, because someone might compare that any() to Mu
and hell would break loose
 
user1804599
Perl 6 is a clusterfuck.
 
Ven
some stuff is pretty ugh. They should have given up on flattening..
 
Ell
10:08 PM
@Puppy can I see command you're trying>
 
it's as simple as sudo rm -rf boost_1_59_0.
 
lol @ the avatar
Jelle, Belgium
15 7
 
Ell
@Puppy can you delete things inside the folder?
also what is pwd?
 
dunno, I decided not to pursue the matter since it's a temporary VM that I'm about to delete the entirety of
it's just a bit curious
 
Ell
f/e
 
10:11 PM
the important thing is, I now have valid Wide build scripts for Ubuntu 12.04 (Travis) and 15.10
 
Ven
@Elyse alors, when I .grep, I need to .WHAT it, because .grep on an Array containerizes its elements
:[
 
user1804599
don't use Perl 6 ever
 
user1804599
it must die
 
user1804599
it's too complex and broken and full of special cases
 
Ven
some shit is pretty complex, yeah...
 
10:14 PM
@Elyse: if this is the criterium for dying then C++ will not live very long I guess
 
user1804599
Yes, but C++ already exists.
 
Ven
it's a criterium for @Elyse wanting it dead.
 
@Ven Which doesn't mean shit
 
Ven
of course, @Elyse has always said shit for the sole purpose of seeing it written.
Sometimes you gotta let a bit of steam out :P
It's just that Perl 6 has a tons of absolutely great things... and a few misfeatures. It's not like I keep walking into landmines. There's one thing I'm aware of, and I'm trying to make sure I don't break everything
But I also know I'm doing metaprogramming stuff, so obviously it blows up
 
@Elyse is it even alive?
 
user1804599
10:17 PM
not yet
 
user1804599
use Haskell
 
@Ven : long time ago there was a thing called parrot, has it evolved into something usefull?
 
Ven
@kyku no. People kept bikeshedding on it until no one wanted to write code for it anymore. They abandoned it not too long ago
 
throw without arguments is deprecated in c++ 11. I used this approach in c++3 without problems however I'm getting one messy issue in g++ trying to port it (using rethrow_exception and get_exception). — agodinhost Sep 8 at 13:31
whoah whoah whoah ; why did no one tell me throw; was deprecated in c++11?!
 
so misguided
@sehe it isn't
(you probably know this)
 
10:25 PM
phew. Source on that? I'll ask the commenter instead I guess
@milleniumbug I didn't. Well. I passively knew this. In the sense that I was very surprised to read the comment.
 
@sehe he's confusing rethrow with exception specifications (throw(), throw(Type) and like), which are deprecated in C++11
 
Yay!
 
@milleniumbug amazingly, it looks like that (how can you even confuse these? And then post that semi-authoritative comment...)
@agodinhost Whoah Whoah Whoah. Can you cite that source? en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/throw I think you maybe confusing with exception-specifications en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/except_spec !? — sehe 5 secs ago
 
Prometheus is getting a sequel? What the fuck? That thing is crap.
 
10:30 PM
First, he got the fire. Only makes sense he came back for the sequel
 
@ElimGarak yeah he broke of his chains and is wrecking Pantheon now
 
@ElimGarak I'm not so surprised considering the ending.
That being said, wheres the sequel to District 9? :(
 
Last episode of Elementary has female researcher victim Dr. Gale Sarkeesian working on basically brainwashing research. Coincidence? Intent? :)
 
I wanted to watch that show but its not on netflix.
 
@wilx Pizza?
 
10:33 PM
@AlexM. Yes, please. Just had some pizza.
So delicious and moist.
 
arrrrgh please don't mention pizzas
I already ate one this week
 
I wish there was a delivery doing extra small pizzas
so I could get an extra small pizza + salad for later
if I get a normal pizza I won't help but eat all of it
 
@AlexM. Make yourself a lunch for a weekday or something instead of eating all of it
 
@sehe wtflol
 
10:35 PM
@sehe wow.............
 
@Borgleader OH MAN YOU MEAN I CAN JUST NOT EAT ALL OF IT
WOW THAT'S SO EASY
 
Is oneboxing coments broken for just me?
 
@sehe wot
 
user1804599
@sehe you need a slash before the question mark
 
user1804599
I said this before and people didn't believe me.
 
10:36 PM
@Elyse liar
 
@AlexM. No I mean, before you start eating, cut a piece of it, put it in the fridge. then you wont feel like eating all of it because part of it (your lunch) will be cold :)
 
It's equally broken.
 
user1804599
A forward slash, you idiot.
 
@IgorTandetnik wow. That's obtuse. I only saw the question because I filter for boost in the first place :| — sehe 2 mins ago
 
user1804599
Not a backslash like you did.
 
10:36 PM
@Borgleader I can eat cold pizza just fine, used to do it before when I'd order two to leave one for the next day
the best solution is how it's like now
 
nevermind
 
=/ well fuck
 
i.e. no food to eat and midnight
 
user1804599
Oh, don't know anymore.
 
can't do anything but not eat
 
10:37 PM
@Elyse Lel
 
I hate cold pizza, so that wouldve worked for me
 
@Elyse Oh... I just remember this vaguely. Used to be an issue with question links in the first place. And LRIO found out and posted to Meta
 
just remove the funky question mark stuff :p
 
user1804599
@sehe No, I did.
 
Still doesn't work
@Elyse LRIO did on the occasion I talked about
 
user1804599
10:38 PM
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ElyseOneboxing comments in chat is broken when there is a forward slash before the number sign. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19894363/expecting-a-declaration-c/#comment29596719_19894363, for example, doesn’t trigger oneboxing while http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19894363/expecting-a-declarat...

 
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Lightness Races in Orbit Have a conversation going in comments on an answer (whoops) SE asks you to migrate to chat. Accept. Chat opens. First line is from Feeds, with a oneboxed link to the answer. It's like this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/<question-id>/<title-ish>/<answer-id>#<answer-id> Click on it. Now obse...

You both win :)
oh. And I see "the paris thing" in the avatar now
 
user1804599
@melak47 I read "obtuse" as "obese".
 
:toot toot:
my hardware is fine
i've loaded an opensource tool and it worked
that means I suck at programming, not at electronics
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I'm terrible at this llvm thing.
 
@ElimGarak look what I found :D
 
10:47 PM
@Borgleader problem?
 
Not really, just advancing much slower than anticipated.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's ok bartek, nothing wrong with finding your real call so late in your life
 
compilers be hard.
 
yeah
 
and especially if you don't limit yourself to the trivial things like parsing and lexing.
 
10:47 PM
@melak47 You goshdarn hoarder. :D But it is missing quite a bit of components. :D
Have you found the full one on the train locked inside a cage?
 
@ElimGarak got me one missing arm for another set though
@ElimGarak nope :D
 
And the one by the crashed vertibird (not the minuteman storyline one)? :D Ahahah, #toomuchpowerarmor
 
Since I already went over parsing like 2-3 times, this time I'm going "bottom up" so I'm playing around with llvm directly and building an abstraction layer without any high level language.
 
@ElimGarak I found one standing on the floor of a lake next to a crashed vertibird
 
once i get a good understanding of llvm, I'll go back to my parser.
 
10:49 PM
@melak47 Yeah, that's the one! :D
 
@ElimGarak #onlyfalloutthings
 
the tool is shitty though
i can't put in 5th or 6th gear because it doesn't accept the data
i guess it has broken analog inputs
 
@Borgleader Well that explains the problem then.
 
Hmm?
 
well, LLVM can't really be generically abstracted in that way, it's more-or-less as abstract as it can be.
 
10:51 PM
oh wait nvm
 
you can only really offer a better abstraction if you're taking away some parts because you don't need them.
 
It appears Hollande saved thousands of people from dying, unwittingly.
 
it only shows so in its ui
 
e.g. Wide does not offer garbage collection.
 
time to launch assetto corsa and try it out vOv
 
10:51 PM
you need a higher-level language or at least an idea of one before you know what to build into the abstraction.
 
@Puppy By abstraction I meant helper functions and types so I dont have to deal with llvm functions directly.
maybe abstraction was the wrong word
 
@Borgleader You pretty much do have to deal with LLVM functions directly.
 
I used to have an abstraction over LLVM, but I dropped it because it was pointless.
the semantic analyzer outputs LLVM IR, that's what it does.
 
Oh well, in any case I will end up learning LLVM, which I need to do.
 
10:53 PM
not... really.
a lot of the crazy shit that I learned about LLVM mostly came from actually needing to use it.
if you don't have a drive to implement exceptions you'll never encounter all the crazy shit that happens with exception handling in LLVM.
 
@TonyTheLion Pretty much, just repeating the same stuff over and over.
 
Well I wanna figure out how I'll end up handling automatic destruction at end of scope, things like that.
 
user1804599
That's not news.
 
user1804599
That's olds.
 
So I'm gonna try it out
 
10:54 PM
@Borgleader That has nothing to do with LLVM. That's a generator issue.
 
except in the case of some exception implementations.
 
I think my Momo Force broke
damn it
 
@melak47 If you have a chance, visit Vault 81.
 
@ElimGarak How so?
 
10:55 PM
@ElimGarak I've been there, but I kinda missed ...anything happening there
 
@Puppy Bombers' intended target was the stadium, but the security was tighter due to the presence of the president, so they defered to lower value targets.
@melak47 Yeah, but it is a refreshing one in a sense that the vault dwellers have prevented the experiments from taking place by locking out the scientists in the other part of the vault (the innaccessible wing). A glimmer of hope, really. :D Although Miranda is a bitch.
 
I think I'm gonna go to the grocery store and get some orange juice or something
 
I mentioned yesterday how there was an order of magnitude change in the number of victims wrt to the attack in January and how the next one will be in the thousands. Turns out, this one was supposed to be the next 9/11 given the density at the game.
 
@jaggedSpire Have fun
 
@Borgleader :) thanks
 

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