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2:00 AM
so they're just wrong
 
I didn't see any pictures, must've been copied
 
The pics are what spawned the rumors
@Borgleader 1 WTC is too
One World Trade Center 🇫🇷 https://t.co/PkhthDMHDQ
 
Nice. But sentiment won't get us far.
 
no, it won't.
 
Ell
Ah my world is updating finally!
Excluding gnucash
 
2:03 AM
@Ell wat
 
this always impresses me
 
Ell
@Borgleader my funtoo system is updating finally
It wasn't due to package blocks caused by funtoo unmerging their tree
 
So Ell, what is your experience with Linux?
 
"Hello"
"Hi this the Kernel, I need to be recompiled"
"On my way sir"
 
lol
 
2:11 AM
Wellp, 153 now.
 
Ell
@Jefery I like it a lot
 
One of the band members got away
 
Ell
I started with Ubuntu
 
Which distro?
 
Ell
And that was very easy to use
 
2:13 AM
> Press reports say that while the death toll inside the venue appears to be approximately 100, the band all made it safely out of the venue via a door in back of the stage.
Death metal, but no death.
 
Ell
But now I am on funtoo which is a variant of gentoo
Which at the minute is jot easy to maintain due to them unforking their ebuild tree from gentoo
But usually it is easy and it will be easy once the process is complete
 
What distro do you consider the most solid?
 
Ell
@Jefery have you tried any GNU/Linux systems?
Hmm. What do you mean by "solid"?
 
I tried Ubuntu a while ago for like a couple of weeks
@Ell Stable
Something you can trust to work fairly well
 
Ell
Debian
 
2:16 AM
I see
 
Define stable
 
@CatPlusPlus Place where you keep horses.
 
@ElimGarak A building that houses horses damnit
 
#define STABLE
 
Slowleader
 
2:20 AM
Windows
 
@jaggedSpire :)
 
windows is a stable OS
 
@Borgleader :)
 
Tonight all I want is to be a burrito :(
 
no matter how hard you try jufury
if you leave OS X
you'll only find windows to be just as nice to use
 
2:21 AM
@Borgleader I feel you
 
Windows feels a lot better than OS X. Although, I kinda dig how OS X looks.
 
@CatPlusPlus not likely to give way or overturn; firmly fixed
 
@ElimGarak which version?
 
@ElimGarak yea I meant OS X vs (some linux distro || Windows)
windows wins ez
 
@jaggedSpire El Capitan
 
2:22 AM
@ElimGarak which version of Windows?
 
Windows is annoying, Linux is annoying, you just have to pick what you care about
 
@jaggedSpire 10, build 10586
 
OS X feels a lot better than Windows. Although, I kinda dig how Windows 10 looks.
 
At Least It's Not OSX
 
I wonder who starred my message haha
so silly
 
2:23 AM
@ElimGarak lol nice
 
that's not an out of context joke time guy
 
Reasons to use Windows: Steam library, needing Visual Studio
For anything development-related Linux is infinitely less annoying
 
Those are pretty much my reasons.
Except for graphics development
Shit be neckbreaking on Linux
Because DRIIIIIIIIIVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRS
 
Ell
AMD drivers on Linux are getting better
 
Yeah.
But I have NVidia.
 
2:26 AM
Yell at them to stop being shit
 
Ell
Nvidia proprietary aren't bad
 
@ThePhD The drivers for my laptops nvidia card seem to work well enough
 
Ell
It's what u use
But I think I'll change to nouveau
*what I use
 
Le Parisien has a list of the deaths and injuries at the various attack sites around Paris, which it sources to the French authorities.

- Bataclan: at least 100 dead, seven people in a critical condition, four others injured
- Rue Charonne: 19 dead, 13 people in a critical condition, 10 others injured
- Rue Bichat: 14 dead, 10 in a critical condition, 10 others injured
- Avenue de la Republique: Four dead, 11 in a critical condition, 10 others injured
- Stade de France: four dead, 11 in a critical condition, 39 others injured
(BBC Live feed, 02:22 UTC)
 
2:38 AM
@jaggedSpire :)
 
RadAway is an item of class "Alchemy". Such effort, Bethesda.
 
@Borgleader :) Thank you
 
Ell
F4 sounds like a disappointment
 
also this
@Ell What do you do when F4 is a disappointment? Alt-F4
 
@Borgleader <3
 
2:41 AM
@Ell Reskinned Skyrim.
Probably the biggest effort went into changing parts of the renderer.
 
@Rapptz I’m in another part of the country
 
@LucDanton You cant see this, but im glad youre ok :)
 
At least you're safe friend.
 
@Borgleader :)
 
@LucDanton I'm glad you're okay, too
 
2:45 AM
@ElimGarak Fucking called it
 
I like how they got away with it, 12 million copies sold (to retailers, but not hard to imagine being sold through as well).
 
Ell
Preordering is the devil
 
@ElimGarak You know those "First 24 hours sales"? They also include preorders.
People bought in the hype, because that's what people do.
And all the issues in Fallout 4? They're issues shared with every Bethesda game there is.
But Bethesda is criticism-proof. Everything they do wrong, the fans are gonna be there to justify it.
It's like Call of Duty, really. You might blast it for all the things that suck in it, people are still gonna buy it and love it.
 
I think they have no technical skill whatsoever, given that they're reusing the same engine (Gamebryo) since 2002, which got them out of bankruptcy after they tried making their own failure of an engine. And people often berate mentioning the development of an engine because they instantly jump to renderer, engine is a lot more.
 
Maybe I'll play New Vegas again
 
2:49 AM
New Vegas is good specifically because it's not Bethesda.
 
Isn't F4 on some new one?
 
@CatPlusPlus Ahahah, they renamed Gamebryo to Creation Engine as of Skyrim. :D
 
It has all the same fucking problems as any Bethesda game, but at least there's an actual plot in there that makes you somewhat overlook the issues.
 
The core of it is still "good old" Gamebryo, the only change is the renderer superficially.
 
@ElimGarak It probably has shit tooling as well.
 
2:50 AM
I was gonna watch some X-Files, but I need something funny so I'll watch Top Gear's Burma special again.
 
Which explains why most of F4's environment feels copy-pasted.
You can't easily make new assets without the proper tools.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You make good tools right? :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Creation Kit looks the same as it did for Oblivion (it's a renamed Oblivion Construction Set). And I bet the one for FO4 is going to be identical.
 
@Borgleader I try to. We're a small team though. If only we could hire more people
 
I believe Todd Howard is credited for it. Guy is like a business major or something, has a fucking cult following.
 
2:53 AM
You should see the difference between the previous major version of our tool and the one we have now.
 
You should send it over to Bethesda as an example of what development actually means.
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel do you struggle finding suitable candidates?
For employment
 
@Ell Hell yes.
 
Good programmers are hard to find.
I know, even I got a job :)
 
Ell
It seems crazy to me
 
2:55 AM
I strive to get better though.
 
Ell
The world ought to be chock full of programmers by now
 
"Programmers", indeed. Programmers, nah.
 
@Ell Oh its full of programmers are alright. Just full of bad ones.
 
Everyone I meet is a "programmer".
 
@ElimGarak Reminds me about Super Bunnyhop's review mentionning that F4 might be all well and good, but in a post-Witcher 3 world it's no longer that impressive.
 
Witcher 3 had actual effort put into it, a real uptick from its predecessor. I find it despicable that Fallout 4 is doing twice as good in one day than Witcher 3 in total.
 
Ell
Shame on Bethesda
 
What bugs me is how most F4 reviews are "here's a lit of issues with the game... 9.5"
It's like they got swallowed by the hype and they can't let go
 
Many reviews admit it is the same game Bethesda has been making for 15 years. The only semirealistic one I found gave it 70/100.
 
@EtiennedeMartel s/hype/brown enveloppes/
 
2:59 AM
@Borgleader I sincerely doubt it's bribery.
 
Yeah, it's worse. They suck their dicks for free.
 
I think it's just that those reviewers are just ordinary people after all
@ElimGarak And if that's all they wanted, then it kinda implies they're not fit for the job of reviewer.
 
I mentioned it today, actually. The game is trying to push more geometry and is struggling to load it all in. The load times are atrocious and everything requires a transition. Opening a door is terrifying for me, because it might just open a little and throw me a load screen.
 
And yet the lod distances seemed awfully short (judging by that screenshot this morning)
 
@Borgleader Yeah, that's because the engine can't handle it. I broke it down, there is no proper culling done. It's terrible, it stutters on a GTX 980 along with a shitload of RAM and an i7.
 
3:02 AM
@ElimGarak Oh, oh, make one of those in depth analysis when you have time :)
or better, show me how :)
 
@ElimGarak My guess? They just figured they could get away with it by saying it's "next gen".
 
"Let me walk you through muh brakes... uh they dont really work" - Clarkson <3
 
And I like how backface culling is on and some of their LoD meshes are not closed, so they don't render (like bridge bulkheads).
It's really sad, I hoped for something new. I really did. Gameplay wise, not render-wise.
 
So they shipped an unfinished game?
 
I feel like they shipped Skyrim with a Fallout skin, that's my takeaway. The epilogue is absolute shit with 0 closure or reflection on your decisions. The dialogue system was dumbed down for the consoles 4 buttons. The dialogue checkpoints are statistical again and can fail, so you reload, then try again to succeed.
 
3:04 AM
You know, I feel like they could have produced a pile of shit bricks with the name "Fallout" on it and it still would have sold like hot cakes
 
Bartering for the quest reward looks like, and I am not kidding:
Money -> More money -> Even more money.
 
Apparently there are a lot of infinite money exploits
 
I did some settlement stuff and once I got the traders setting up shop, infinite money.
Well, at least my female character is hot. I mean, attractive & beautiful. And strong & independent. And stuff.
 
@fredoverflow That's awesome :D
@GregorMcGregor Where do you guys get this from? :D
 
@Borgleader If I asked you to guess, how many vaults do you think are there in the game?
 
3:12 AM
4? cuz its Fallout 4
 
3, counting the movie set intro Vault 111 which is really tiny (only cryopods, overseer office and entrance). Vault 81 and 95.
 
Ell
Well hey there
Nvidia doing open source
That's unexpected
 
@Borgleader lol
 
@ElimGarak And I'm the best one.
 
3:22 AM
I'm the programmest
9
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm programmer.
 
jaime hasnt changed
 
3:38 AM
@ScottW Mumble?
@ScottW :D
 
may i lurk?
 
@Borgleader certainly
:)
 
Forking must be really stressful for the code since it won't know whether it will end up being the parent of the child.
 
#codeproblems
 
3:51 AM
Updating Ubuntu removed libfriends
rip
 
libsocialanxiety
Oh, someone started a kernel + OS in Rust, neat. Finally.
 
There's a lot of them
github.com/redox-os/redox is probably farthest along
 
Yes that's the one I was just checking out
 
Welp, im tired. I'm off to bed. night all
 
4:05 AM
@Borgleader night :)
 
lol
@Borgleader sweet dreams
 
4:22 AM
@Borgleader NIiiight night!
 
@ThePhD Hello. :)
how've you been today?
 
Staring at Linear Algebra.
Enjoying life to the fullest.
 
@ThePhD :) Glad to hear it
 
Here we go, #prayforparis is a thing. Gawd.
What the fuck are you people 'praying' for? Religion is what got us into this mess.
Yup.
 
4:48 AM
i don't get it, who's praying
holy hell, missed the news today
 
at least 130 dead
 
@ElimGarak but, but that's that other religion! you know, the wrong one!!
uh, is this a bad time to ask a c++ question
too soon?
anyways, i'm new to this c++ business and not sure how to get out of this while loop
 
the checked condition needs to be false
alternately, you can use break;
 
int main() {
  std::cout << "Using keywords, describe what you would like to do: ";
  std::string input;
  std::vector<std::string> keywords;
  while (std::cin >> input)
    keywords.push_back(input);
  FindCommand(keywords);
  return 0;
}
heh, well yeah
i'm trying to enter a line like "increase volume" but after i do that it just sits there and waits
know i'm doing something terribly, obviously wrong
 
yeah, it hasn't encountered invalid input and invalidated the stream yet
that's what that check is doing: checking that the stream is in a valid state. When it encounters bad input for a specific variety of stored variable, like "hello" for a number, it invalidates the stream
The input stream itself won't invalidate when it reaches the end of the line
it just waits for more input, which is what it's doing
 
5:01 AM
i see
at first i had this and was trying to simplify it
 
you can do a couple things: define a keyword to terminate the input sequence, and then break out of the loop if the keyword in input
 
int main() {
  std::cout << "Using keywords, describe what you would like to do: ";
  std::string input;
  getline(std::cin, input);
  std::vector<std::string> keywords = Split(input, ' ');
  FindCommand(keywords);
  return 0;
}
 
OR you can do getline ^
 
seemed redundant to have a method (Split) that took a stream and created a vector
when i could just do it right there
 
Yeah, it doesn't quite do the same thing.
 
5:02 AM
ok so i probably need to leave it like that then
i don't want to have to type a keyword other than return
 
the getline will only get the buffer until it encounters the eof character, the '\n' character, or a few other edge cases
yep
 
cool, thanks mate :)
 
@DaveKennedy you mean string, right?
@DaveKennedy np
 
Back on OS X. Feels kinda good.
 
i mean i'll put it back the way i had it with getline because i don't want to have to type an extra string like "done" or something
c++ is weird getting used to, i'm spoiled by c#, java, javascript
 
5:33 AM
boost::algorithm::split
 
shiny
 
boost pretty popular eh?
 
boost is extremely useful, and for the past two revisions of the C++ Standard, some of its libraries have become standard libraries in some form
regex is one
filesystem will be in the next revision
that said, since it's open source, some small companies may be leery of using it in proprietary code
If you can use it, and it's appropriate to do so, it will save you massive amounts of time
 
i'll add it to the list of things to do with all my spare time :)
want to get basics down before i start digging into libs
 
nods
 
5:40 AM
/me adjusts monocle
oh ya this aint irc
 
lol
 
5:50 AM
oi, these error messages are enormous!
need to pipe compiler output to head or less or something
 
Using MSVC?
 
g++ -std=c++11 main.cpp -o main
 
might want -std=c++14
 
it's probably not gonna help the error messages, but it will let you learn the most recent version of C++ ;-)
granted, it's mostly small differences between the two versions, but once you get to the non-basic stuff, it gets handy
like auto arguments in lambdas
probably one of the handiest things
may I ask what you're trying?
 
5:56 AM
i was trying to sort a map using std::sort but i guess they are already sorted by key :T
 
gcc usually tries for clarity in its error messages
 
"no match for operator-"
 
ah, yeah.
 
i want to learn signal processing
 
> std::map is a sorted associative container that contains key-value pairs with unique keys. Keys are sorted by using the comparison function Compare. Search, removal, and insertion operations have logarithmic complexity. Maps are usually implemented as red-black trees.
 
5:57 AM
ya i saw that here sgi.com/tech/stl/Map.html
 
cppreference is immensely useful as a quick resource
 
ya i should probably rtfm
 
damn paris
 
tutorials on c++ are kinda spotty
 
i'd rather not read the news
 
5:59 AM
world is fucked
repent
 
@DaveKennedy C++ is too often taught as C with Classes
people learn that, think they know c++, write tutorials, and the cycle of mediocrity continues
 
that's kinda funny, i was going off of dwm source code :x
in addition to tutorials
found a bunch of stuff on github to look at though
 
@StackedCrooked I'm sorry, I expended my stock of fluffy animal pics hours ago. :(
@DaveKennedy nice
 
wow it compiled ^^
 
Not many people seem to be excited about the Transactional Memory group.
 
6:09 AM
sounds boring
 
@StackedCrooked Well, this is the first I've heard of it so maybe it's more that people don't know
at a glance, it's supposed to make parallel programming slightly more forgiving to learn?
 
Yeah. We want executors and coroutines. Not lame-ass transactional memory.
 
executors sounds awesome
 
@jaggedSpire yes, it's supposed to do that
however, it comes with its own gotchas
 
:D D:
 
6:11 AM
It work a like a versioning system.
 
if C++ acquires any additional gotchas they will form a black hole and suck the rest of the standard in
 
If you need to access memory you get your local copy. When you're done you "commit" it. If somebody else before you modified the original then your transaction will be rolled back and rerun.
The problem is that this cannot be used to safely access non-memory resources like sockets etc..
 
is there a way to define the "merge" behavior to do something other than rollback?
 
rollback plus automatic re-apply of your code.
@jaggedSpire dunno
 
@StackedCrooked ah yeah that's a problem
 
6:14 AM
I used @jalf's STM lib a few years ago. In in the end it did seem to bring me much better performance than my old mutex based code. (However, I was stupid back then and locking all over the place.)
 
well fook, apparently my server's HDD failed last night
 
thanks, for both the explanation and the link
@thecoshman damn
 
@thecoshman well, let's hope it does better next night
 
6:34 AM
well, i'm pretty happy how this turned out but sure it could use improvement: ix.io/mdf
the idea is that you tell it what command you're looking for and it returns a sorted list kinda like search results
 
@StackedCrooked you think it could happen like that?
I think I'll just get a small VM for running email (and then a second for proper fail over) then maybe start using it as a main email
 
hmm are typedef aliases generally frowned on or no?
 
why would that be the case
 
i dunno, nvm
every language has its idiosyncrasies
that's all
 
6:52 AM
I've frowned on some typedefs.
Best joke ever :D
 
7:09 AM
I just realized that infinite lists are unlikely to support reverse iteration.
 
yeah?
what are you gonna do?
 
hi
can anyone help with C?
 
most people here only know java
 
It's a quiet Saturday again.
 
7:27 AM
i need sleep but i must code :\
 
7:55 AM
Hello, anyone here?
 
8:09 AM
yes
 
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Q: Class Scope Error in C++

AndyScope Error in C++ Classes. I have the following two classes: class Tire { public: Tire(); void width(int); }; class Car { public: Car(); void size(); }; Car::Car() { Tire mytire; } void Car::size() { mytire.width(5); // generates error: "mytire was not declared ...

Nevermind
 
Just got new Starcraft game.
> Modules: Microsoft and Clang continuing to iterate on their implementations and converge on a design. The feature will target a TS, not C++17.
> Featured Song: Elysian Night
Didn't know @Elyse was there.
And what he at night :)
 
8:35 AM
Good morning everyone
can I post a link to a Q here, I dont know if its a stupid querstion or not
 
8:47 AM
@Serthy you would know the answer had you read the rules
 
do you guys think its worthwhile writing a UI library for OpenGL?
 

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