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5:00 PM
extracting the diff stuff to a separate project now
 
That is hardly relevant. What is relevant is that you need to talk to people to make sure everyone is ok. This is probably known as "respect"
 
as it can be useful in other places, like nowhere
 
One of the bombers in #ParisAttacks passed through island of Leros as migrant in October, Greek minister says http://bbc.in/1O8KHxx
 
Well, I am happy the number was reduced from 163 to 128.
 
I did not actually expect this.
 
5:01 PM
@wilx The silly thing is, why would the terrorists wear (truthful) ID papers.
It's very likely/not unlikely this is just planned "evidence" that inspires more fear
 
@ElimGarak ..and not just because it's a power of two, I assume
 
@sehe Conspirational theory much? The explanation that he either was ISIL from the start or got recruited in France seems much simpler and more plausible.
 
Because you always bring your ID to a bombing
And, are you blind? We don't need theories to know these attacks are a conspiracy.
 
@sehe I have my purse on my every time I leave house. Dunno what are the customs in France.
 
Ven
mh, I don't understand which cobol option I'm supposed to use here :\
 
5:12 PM
Bwahahahaha. My question is: do you leave it at home when you go bombing?
 
wilx probably makes a name tag and places it on his chest.
 
@wilx The customs in France are clearly not to go to the stade with bombs
 
Ven
@sehe ..wellll...
 
define: custom
 
Ven
pls... I have a 11" macbook air
 
5:13 PM
@sehe And I am telling you I would have it on me even if I did go do bombing. Especially then, since I would want to be identified. I would not have it on my if I were to go, say, stealing in a night, though, I guess.
 
@Ven Don't "> ..wellll..." me so cheaply then
 
the accustomed customer inquired about another customers customs.
 
Ven
@sehe oh okay, I shouldn't be joking with you, I get it
 
@wilx I don't believe you.
 
Ven
@wilx Why? You've been identified when you yelled Allahu akbar
 
5:14 PM
Oh, the Eiffel Tower was shut down. But I doubt it is a viable target, you need a high explosive yield to take it down.
 
This was a well organized, secret operation. They know every trace they leave can lead to crack downs and reduced opportunity for terror. It makes a lot of sense for them to hide the identity of the terrorists.
And it makes a tiny bit of sense for them to have a decoy that sends Euro politics down the ally of fear
The latter is more "conspiracy" - but given the obvious first, I'll consider it
@ElimGarak Symbolic/iconic targets are viable for other reasons. If you hit France in the tourism plexus, it will cost billions. And the national pride.
 
Ven
national pride? france? you're not being serious anymore
 
@Ven Jokes aren't funny unless they could almost be true
Noun: Wikipedia
  1. chauvinism ‎(countable and uncountable, plural chauvinisms)
  2. chauvinism c
 
Ven
@sehe r/im14andthisisdeep
 
> r/im14andclearlyoblivious // FTFY
 
5:18 PM
@sehe: It might still turn out just one of them was a recent migrant.
 
There are few countries in Europe more renowned for their chauvinism than France
@wilx True. Which is why I ask, not assert:
. @BBCBreaking The idea that terrorists would plant such a #passport on purpose makes sense. (How) Do we know the ID matches the bomber?
 
Ven
@sehe that's definitely true, and not what I meant. We've been ridiculed far enough for long enough that there's no such "national pride" outside of some french's
 
@Ven Oh. I didn't know that. Neither did I suspect your nationality
 
Ven
@sehe I said I was french several times, though? And elyse even checked on me, because I'm in Paris
I guess I'll take it as a compliment, because it means my english fooled you?
 
@Ven I didn't know.
@Ven No. I just don't care enough about nationalities :)
 
Ven
5:24 PM
That's fair :).
 
TBH non of the frenchies on here exhibit too many frenchisms. (Obviously, the driveby help vampires do, but even then it's most often the punctuation that tips me off before actual grammar or vocabulary issues :))
 
> Windows successfully diagnosed a low virtual memory condition.
Congrats
 
Ven
5:42 PM
yeah, I always dually space my punctuation. It's hard to break such a habit. (but I'm starting to use the oxford comma in french these days... ugh)
@CatPlusPlus "Oh no, it's retarded"
 
Oh, man, all the religious farts online right now. "Praying" and shit, blending the french flag over their profile pictures and stuff.
 
@ElimGarak still better than hating. Just saying.
 
There is hating as well? Woah. Ah, you mean against the refugees. Well, most of my religious farts are now against refugees.
 
@ElimGarak no what I mean is that praying at least doesn't harm anyone, whereas just spreading hate, for whatever reason, is just not helpful at all.
 
5:45 PM
But are they actually praying or just saying they're praying?
 
Bartek
 
i need serious support with this
 
Bratek
 
@ElimGarak Can't answer that.
 
@BartekBanachewicz with what?
 
5:46 PM
it's been over a year since I've started this project
 
( I can ) :P
 
Ell
@ElimGarak yeah I think it's bad
 
I've checked everythin
I'm manually checking clock cycles
 
Ell
Also because the beirout thing
 
HOW DO I DEBUG HARDWARE
 
Ell
5:46 PM
Beirut
@BartekBanachewicz JTAG
 
h @Ell o
 
not mine ell
 
@BartekBanachewicz throw it out the window, start again :P
 
mine's fucking fine
I've checked every output in every possible program state
literally stepped through and measured volts
 
well being that its 6:47AM now, I'll be sleeping. Bye.
 
5:47 PM
im seriously considering the other device to be at fault
I've dissasembled it and it has some test points
 
@edition good night
 
but ive no idea how to use them or what they mean
 
Ell
what device are you interface with?
 
a logitech G27 shifter unit
 
@BartekBanachewicz Get a multimeter and start hacking.
 
5:50 PM
There's one awesome thing about Java.
 
@Columbo the fact that it hasnt died yet?
 
The IDEs are stupendous.
 
@Nooble fuck you mean by multimeter
i need 16 input logical probe and a scope not a fucking multimeter
 
What are you doing.
 
the device led seems to be working fine when i apply voltage to it directly
but it doesn't light on when i connect my plug
the voltages seem fine on my end though
dooes that plainly mean the unit is fucking broken
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
a logitech G27 shifter unit
 
5:54 PM
@ElimGarak what kind of shader magic does one use to get nice animated effects on weapons like in TES?
e.g. that
 
Ven
t'as ugly as fuck.
the effect is nice. the weapon looks like one from morrowind, cmon
 
@AlexM. multitexturing?
 
@Ven it's a mmo
 
or do you just mean the bump map
 
Ven
@AlexM. true. no HD mods
 
Ell
5:55 PM
@BartekBanachewicz can't you just test it by pluggin in the usb?
oh wait
> but it doesn't light on when I connect my plug
 
@Ell it's not connected via usb
it's a proprietary iface
 
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
 
Ell
Ah I see
if only it were gnu ;)
 
I want to research the different ways that 3D viewers (like CAD programs, 3D model editors, etc) use controls for rotating, panning, zooming, etc. I'm having trouble using search terms to find already-made comparisons out there. any ideas?
or should i just suck it up and do the research myself? ;)
 
@BartekBanachewicz the animated brown lights
 
5:59 PM
hmm
 
@AlexM. All special effects are a combination of animated simple geometry (+alpha testing) which defines the spatial extent and motion of it and additional texture animation is what creates the dances of light in the stream, usually containing emissive data and stuff.
 
can I find out what compiler a package was compiled with?
 
@Bartek get yourself a Bus Pirate. I have one and it's pretty cool.
 
There are also screenspace effects, but they have issues with occlusion and offscreen data. So usually, the most modern effects will use simple geometry and tessellation to achieve the shape and then invoke the pixel shader on them and process the involved textures, like what lighting pattern (texture) to emit, how to move it by using perframe data etc.
 
so complicated X_X
 
6:02 PM
And then you have particle systems which help supplement that, which are nowadays fully simulated on the GPU. Millions of particles augmenting it.
Yeah, there are usually VFX teams dedicated to making those spells look cool. I know ArenaNet has a division, I actually saw it in one of their making of documentaries.
 
the effect is cool tho
and has been used for ages now e.g. arx fatalis
@ElimGarak cool
"so what do you do for a living"
"I make shiny lights on weapons and stuff"
 
Making magic out of geometry and textures really is a chore. It is also helped by regular postprocessing, high pass then bloom filter, possibly with multiple kernels to make it really pop. All you have to make sure is that it has a lot of energy associated with it (HDR), so that it gets picked up by the high pass.
 
@AlexM. You mean "work on a particle-accelerator".
 
@AlexM. lol I played that game a while ago
Like eight years maybe
Or six
 
All serious volumetric effects in games today utilize actual geometry (and especially tessellation). Fallout 4's integrated Nvidia GameWorks volumetrics are based on tessellated geometry as well, making them appear even when the light source is not in an optimal visible position. Postprocess screenspace stuff is usually only for stuff you can cheaply get away with.
 
6:07 PM
@Columbo yes it was a great game
 
i think the pinout i had was bad
 
Ell
Nvidia gameworks is gimpy
 
F M L
doing manual pin mapping now
 
the moment I remember best is when I kinda "cheated" by running away from stuff and stuff and couldn't beat any enemies at my level and when I returned and arx was full of ylsides, I had to sneak because 1 hit = dead
all with this in the background
 
i think ima spend all day as a code writing burrito
 
6:09 PM
@Columbo check this out if you liked arx underworldascendant.com
arx was supposed to be ultima underworld 3, underworld ascendant is spiritual ultima underworld 3
 
> A door in the Underworld is physically modeled out as a heavy wood or metal object attached to pivoting hinges, optionally with a locking mechanism. Doors have parameters for physical strength, resistance to fire damage, resistance to magic, their acoustic blocking factor, strength and complexity of any lock.
Sounds good.
 
Man, getting used to OS X mouse acceleration curves is a bitch. Every. Time. Also, dafuq is wrong with the curve for scrolling.
 
@ElimGarak I don't think it's a matter of getting used to it. It's the rather simpler matter that it's simply a mess that works poorly.
 
yup
i had wrong pins
fuck. my. life
 
@Columbo yes
this is similar to the fiend in arx fatalis
 
6:16 PM
@ElimGarak Hows your book going?
 
@Borgleader According to plan-ish, can't wait to be done with all the tex bullshit. Beyond the pretty equation rendering stuff, it's an absolute nightmare.
At times, I actually thought about publishing it as a website with proper equation rendering. It would enable more dynamic content, but I am so deep right now, it is not worth it.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak do you think?
@ElimGarak you probably can do it still
you can render tex to html
 
Yeah, but I wanted to create a really cool design around it all, not just generic dump. Too late for that, though.
 
Ell
nah it's not if you've written your book with semantics in mind
I mean, separated design from content
 
Oh, definitely. But still, I am moving towards the finish line so I'll focus on that later on. :D
 
Ell
6:21 PM
Good idea :)
 
Feature creep kills too many people each year.
 
Ell
I suppose you won't be releasing the sources though so I can't put any effort into making it happen while you continue to write :P
 
Only sources for the samples, which are actually going to be sexy and not those shit ones that are usually associated with rendering books. The "this is the basic principle, it's really trivial to go from this to actual production quality" bullshit.
 
Ell
But no .tex's
 
Would that actually be useful? I mean, I have no intention of monetizing the thing, I love ranting/sharing about graphics to anyone who'll listen.
 
Ell
6:25 PM
I mean, if you want someone to render it to html5+mathjax and if you can't be bothered
 
fuck this thing deep in the eye\
 
Ell
you could always allow somebody to do it for you
 
fuck it
please die in fire
please fuck you logitech and die and catch cancer
 
Ell
:V
 
"We cannot and will not let them take any of this from us." http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/133209005229/thehpalliance-we-are-with-you-processing
 
6:50 PM
personally
I think that the French would not be unjustified if they decided to start shipping troops to Iraq.
at least this time, it actually is unambiguously a pseudo-country with a real army and a real location who's the aggressor
 
@Puppy what? Iraq?
 
well it's a bit more messy to ship to Syria to attack IS there
 
well yeah, because that would be called "invasion"
 
Yeah, all that love is a weapon bullshit is just an empty sentiment.
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth nice :p
 
6:56 PM
@ElimGarak I disagree, but it's best used against people who might actually stop attacking you.
 
btw, did France already stop supporting the rebels in Syria?
or maybe stop hindering Assad so that Syria could fight ISIS more effectively?
 
not really sure if better.
 
or do something about all those countries who support/collaborate with ISIS?
 
depends on what "something" you would want to do about them.
 
7:01 PM
dunno, sanctions perhaps
 
Oh, I just took a look at the injured column. 352, with 99 in critical condition.
 
user1804599
Fallout 4 is fun.
 
It is.
 
hmm
just realized I may be solving a complete non-problem here.
if I install LLVM from package I don't need to shit around with their build dependencies.
 
Ven
@ElimGarak vOv
 
7:10 PM
 
@ElimGarak managing inventory is no fun :-\
 
much like you.
 
@exitc0de Let's get rid of our friends together @набиячлэвэлиь
 
job done.
 
7:25 PM
@TonyTheLion :3 /cc @jaggedSpire
6
 
@Borgleader :D
 
user1804599
 
Ven
7:39 PM
@Elyse such funny
 
@Borgleader :D
 
so, hours later
still not working
i have analog pins
i have led
 
@Elyse lol
 
that leaves me 3 of them
tried every config
 
@ElimGarak wat
 
7:44 PM
@Borgleader :D
 
Ven
ugh. I need to duplicate my PICTURE clause between my SCREEN SECTION and my WORKING-STORAGE SECTION :(
 
sounds like COBOL
 
user1804599
@Ven use COPY.
 
Ven
@Elyse COPY for a single "PIC X(10)"? no.
 
user1804599
Then don't complain!
 
Ven
7:54 PM
the fact that there's a solution doesn't help if the solution sucks.
 
@jaggedSpire I am confused as well.
 
What the fuck is Bartek doing with hardwary things?
 
Wtf is wrong with lambdas in Java
how do you capture this
 
use a final local variable first
Suddenly ~~ a wild Noabla appears
 
@Columbo Have you tried ClassName::this or ClassName.this or something?
 
8:08 PM
@fredoverflow Yeah, it doesn't work. (Scope operator in Java? :D)
 
ok so
I think the problem was trying to use the same build scripts for both Willy and Precise.
 
@Columbo Funny. Did you ignore my suggestion?
 
the Willy build scripts are easy and work fine if you just do the obvious thing.
 
How is Wide going?
 
@sehe I did not.
 
8:09 PM
37
Q: How can "this" of the outer class be accessed from an inner class?

llmIs it possible to get a reference to this from within a Java inner class? i.e. class Outer { void aMethod() { NewClass newClass = new NewClass() { void bMethod() { // How to I get access to "this" (pointing to outer) from here? } }; } }

 
@sehe I am trying to decipher your suggestion first.
 
@Columbo So, it didn't work
 
@Jefery Working on some Linux build scripts.
 
@Columbo final T This = this; // good to capture
 
… oh, that's what you meant.
 
8:10 PM
No need, just write Outer.this
 
Yeah. It's also what I said.
@fredoverflow Does that work in anonymous inner types. TIL
Makes a bit of sense I guess
 
ffs I edited the comment
 
(Why didn't you say so before). I wonder whether that is "final" enough to the VM
 
Ohh..... I marked the method as static, and now this works fine (?)
 
@sehe I don't see why not, but I haven't tried.
 
8:11 PM
@Columbo That's funny. Prolly because the outer this is now absent?
 
@sehe I dunno, but the IDE doesn't complain in the slightest
 
@fredoverflow Me neither actually, but then again I was mainly giving my gut response to the symptoms reported
 
are you doing non-static classes
 
SHOW US SOME GODDAMN CODE!
 
@sehe I actually anticipated that to be the case, but it seems it isn't
 
8:13 PM
this is perfectly capturable in lambdas
 
@Columbo this is likely the "identity" of the lambda
 
@fredoverflow :(
Calm down maybe?
 
@milleniumbug We're talking Java
 
@Jefery No, show some code maybe
 
@Jefery JAVA MAKES ME ANGRY
 
8:13 PM
That's weird. How could Java achieve anything that isn't trivial
2
 
y u complain about invisible Java code?
 
@Columbo I, too, am talking about Java
 
@milleniumbug Excellent.
Actually, we should stop giving Java too much attention, it might feel appreciated
 
@milleniumbug Maybe Columbo thought this referred to lambda instance?
@milleniumbug lol why does main throws Exception? :)
 
8:20 PM
@fredoverflow dunno, didn't notice it, it was in the default Java code on ideone.com
 
Oh, turns out you can't get at the lambda this:
13
Q: Lambda this reference in java

gontardI want to convert an anonymous class to a lambda expression. But this anonymous class i use the this keyword. For exemple, i wrote this simple Observer/Observable pattern : import java.util.ArrayList; import java.util.Collection; public static class Observable { private final Collection<Ob...

 
not sure why would you want it anyway
 
@sehe With non-trivial libraries and frameworks? :)
 
:D
With enterprise money, you mean
 
Whoa whoa whoa, I was with you until your last sentence, and I like smart pointers. They're not always an appropriate substitute for new/delete, though (for instance, what if you're writing your own smart pointer class, and you're deploying to an embedded machine with no standard library? What if you're stuck with an old compiler that only provides auto_ptr as a smart pointer?), so it's needlessly limiting to say that using delete is "doing it wrong" (even if it's true that smart pointers are usually a better approach). — Kyle Strand 5 hours ago
But what if you're writing software for nuclear reactors HUH HuuUH
 
8:34 PM
Cat, here's a Linux question for you
when I invoke shit in my compiler commands, like llvm-config-3.6 --includedir, how can I make it use the normal PATH?
 
Yes, rules of nature
What's "normal PATH"
 
@CatPlusPlus Is he seriously suggesting that the "no raw new and delete" rule means you can't write your own smart pointer ???
 
well my terminal accepts that command directly.
but when I add it as an include dir, sh complains that it doesn't exist.
 
As an include dir where; environment is inherited (except when something specifically doesn't want something to inherit its environment, but that's special cases)
 
ah.
well I checked the Makefile and yeah, I did it wrong.
tell me more about these custom ninja generators
I think I am getting more interested in throwing out Premake
 
8:41 PM
Ninja doesn't care what produces the build file, so just write whatever you want in whatever you want and produce a thing according to this ninja-build.org/manual.html
 
I've no idea
I've found modified diagrams for G27
I'm doing everything by the book
Manual measurements seem ok
The thing just won't work
I don't know what to do next
Perhaps I should buy another board and just clone the software used there
 
@CatPlusPlus I see, fair enough.
 
Bartek and Puppy living happily together.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol complaining on a 3 year old answer
 
@Nooble No, sir!
 
8:49 PM
alright I gotta say that building Wide on Ubuntu 15.10 really isn't that bad.
it's a lot easier when there are provided packages for the libraries you need.
 
and also when you refactor your code so that you don't need to build LLVM from source.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Puppy's language
 
shit gets hairy quickly when you don't have packages for the libs you need, though.
 
Quick link to Wide?
 
8:51 PM
actually my website is currently down so linking to it would serve little purpose
 
There's software that supports my board
I could just load it and see if the thing is operarional
 
I'm bad at doing this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/74666/…. In particular if I see a poor answer being +1.
 

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