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23:00
I've got and ideapad. It's pretty decent.
@Morwenn You've got wat and ideapad?
@Borgleader Come on, you should know I suck at typing by now ._____.
@ElimGarak o m g
@Morwenn tehee :3
@Borgleader You meanie ><
but but... i was teasing :(
23:09
@JohanLarsson stream closed
yep, was great
@Ell "Ultrathin, Ultralight & Compact"? Does not look particularly thin
Ell
Ell
23:22
no it doesn't does it
I assume a lot of programmers branch out from just one language, but how often do programmers apply for work in languages in which they have little or no experience?
Too often
@sehe You have some experience there?
Oh yeah. I've learned Java on the job. In a solo setting. Using linux for the first time in my life. It was gentoo
gentoo?
23:29
If I really wanted a job, I could apply to Java or C# jobs, but I don't really like Java and never used C#.
My only team member was a PHP dev.
user406009
@Jaden Some companies have really weird stacks as well.
Ell
Ell
@sehe wow
weird stacks?
combinations of tooling
user406009
23:30
Like MUMPS or PHP or VB6.
@Ell Stupidity. I mean, what kinda management allows this. And I was... young.
I learnt Python on the fly during my first internship, I never used it before. I had to translate and fix bugs in R and IDL scripts too.
It was before I got burnt out obviously
when a company asks for 2-3 years, could that mean 'be prepared to start learning'?
Ell
Ell
@sehe yup, seems entirely reckless on managements behalf
23:32
Perhaps they just hoped for it to magically work out. I did tell my business unit "commercial guy" that I would have to learn it all.
Actually, I feel I learned everything on the job.
I did program before I started working, but experience comes on the job only.
True.
Maybe if I ignored my personal life I could improve my understanding. I don't think fixing shit (old code) promotes anything more than code monkey
You have to be like really motivated to get the experience outside of the job.
And it's nigh impossible to "fake" the incentives there so you get actual experience (which is much more than just the tech stuff)
@sehe huh?
23:36
@Jaden Experience is all about knowing how to solve problems you wouldn't care about in a personal project.
Plus knowing how to handle relations at work.
And under pressure. And badly specified. Etc.
I can prove that I have some skill, but I totally lack actual experience.
@Jaden Huh.
Also, I'm too good at avoiding problem to know how to solve them when they happen.
2-3 in what?
23:39
I think my real problem is understanding classes, templates, and programming patterns
@Jaden Based on interviewing programmers about the languages they list on their resume's, I'd say it happens all the time.
@JerryCoffin I think I'm guilty.
@Jaden Oh C++. Have fun.
@Jaden I really only have two areas where I'm weak: syntax and semantics.
@JerryCoffin :p
23:40
@JerryCoffin I'm only weak in one area: C++.
Oh and eucalyptus.
I took some java like 10 years ago
Haha.
Ell
Ell
I'm weak in one area: getting linux to boot in text mode
I'm 3 or 4 hours over at work reading a book by Bjourne with errors that are pissing me off.
@Ell Try recompiling a few more times.
Ell
Ell
23:45
I'm afraid to recompile ATM
because I actually need this machine for work
I will make a bootable usb now though
@Nooble So you're good at Lisp and APL and COBOL and Java and Ada and Pascal and PL/I and assembly language and Rust and ...? Wow, that's really impressive. I bow before you.
@Morwenn C# is easy to learn though
@Nooble That works well with LaTeX.
@Borgleader Easy to read, yes. It generally isn't a problem.
Ell
Ell
XeTeX > LaTeX
kinda.
@JerryCoffin Do not forget GPSL.
23:46
@JerryCoffin Are you trying to describe @elyse?
@Morwenn Hmmm...I thought I said "...good at..." :-)
@JerryCoffin I could have sworn you'd say that :D
@Nooble If I ever knew it, I have forgotten it.
Ell
Ell
I lost my usb
23:48
@JerryCoffin General Purpose Specialized Language.
By @Blob.
@Ell It's universal, so look pretty much...well, anywhere.
@Nooble isn't that a contradiction?
@StackedCrooked Therein lies the joke.
23:49
@StackedCrooked The same, only different.
@VermillionAzure Hi.
@Nooble You're like the first one lol
Today I've been naughty: I fixed a regression without writing a corresponding test.
everytime
@VermillionAzure 'lo.
23:49
@VermillionAzure Hehe.
@JerryCoffin ERROR CANNOT READ NEGATIVE LOGIC UNDEFINED BEHAVIOR
@Morwenn So how do you know you fixed it?
@JerryCoffin My utility didn't work as expected. Now it does.
So, it was a defacto unit test you used
Also, I put some assertions in my benchmarks so that I don't have to write more tests.
23:51
@Morwenn But without a test, you obviously don't know what you expected.
troll detected
@JerryCoffin J'ai ri (laughin').
@sehe How could you possibly accuse me of such a thing? I would never troll anybody! :-)
More like "I giggled"?
@JerryCoffin Which is why
anybody going to the C++ meeting in Kona this month?
23:53
That's a dad joke my mom taught me
@VermillionAzure Nope, I found a champion instead.
> "Oh boy, you better be glad you don't have a mom that like to tease kids"
@VermillionAzure Maybe I should apply to the C++ Foundation to finance my going to meetings...
@Morwenn What is (s)he championing?
@sehe A proposal.
23:53
I was just wondering because I was considering going to one of them...
...
Is it worth it? Is it more like a public forum or is it reserved for professionals?
I'll pay you not to go
Ell
Ell
night folks
Nighty night.
Sleep tight.
23:55
@Ell good night
Don't let the APi design bite.
Check for bugs under the bed
@VermillionAzure It's much more toward the "reserved" end of the spectrum. Officially it's supposed to be for members and invited guests only, but the current policy is basically to allow almost anybody to attend (though if you got in the way of getting work done, that could change pretty quickly).
@JerryCoffin What's the setting of it?

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