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11:00
@TonyTheLion it sucks because it requires a number of posts
@BartekBanachewicz lol
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oh god
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almost all of them must be downvoted
2
oh wait it's only 200 answers
I thought it's 500
11:01
lol
gold haskell badge is something really hard to get
38 users on SO so far
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Q: Will I be punished for serial downvoting if I downvote a whole lot of wrong answers?

elyseIn C and C++, arrays are not pointers. However, many answers wrongfully say that they are. Do I risk being punished for serial downvoting if I downvote all of those wrong answers?

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That looks awesome on the starboard.
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11:08
oh nice
Compiler is too slow with quadratic variadic template expansions.
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Well, time to downvote!
Vote for downtime!
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:D
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I like how Eric Lippert has cast shitloads of downvotes, and only one upvote, and that upvote was by mistake.
11:09
@Morwenn lol?
Oh, also: github.com/mikael-s-persson/templight - it's capable of providing callgrind-like output to profile template instantiations.
Haven't tried using yet, but looked good on a presentation. :D
@elyse How do you know it was by mistake?
redundant?
NO ONE BOX fuck you
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@fredoverflow he said so in a comment.
11:15
I need a mod, think they can unfreeze rooms
@JonClements
already pinged him in python
looking forward to rust-lurking
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#rust on irc.mozilla.org
Is there a web thing for it?
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maybe
11:18
I like SO-chat
@GregorMcGregor you suck hth
@GregorMcGregor no XBox One???
inb4 inorite
That is the way you sit if you have a huge diamond ring you want to flash right?
XD someone photoshop a dick in his hand
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11:24
@JohanLarsson Eric Lippert?
@GregorMcGregor oh you
can probably make a gif of it (if you know what I mean)
:subtlety:
@elyse Stil trying to understand the exact syntax.
tempted to rollback
I find this level of bikeshedding intolerable
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would be funny if that answer automatically becomes community wiki because too many people have edited it and @Mysticial loses all his rep
11:29
@GregorMcGregor lol
@elyse I think they fixed it
@Mr.kbok it's silly. But hardly more than that
@elyse Maybe that explains the moron edits
@Mysticial should just request locking it :P
@elyse He would not notice it, he checks his rep every 100k.
painful presentation, guy has trouble fitting his names on slides
Xeo
Xeo
11:36
@elyse I think @Mysticial has a free ticket to un-wiki it in that case
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too small
hmmm. weird crop fail
that's what she said
nice bling
I blame crappy web UI
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11:37
ANIMATED GIF THAT IS NOT SPARKLY BJARNE

BIN IT
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btw how did you make that? @sehe
@JohanLarsson Okay - try and keep it active from now on though?
@sehe solid star now!
@JonClements yeah, I'll lurk :)
@JonClements Language rooms should no freeze imo.
There's no such thing as "language rooms" - there are just "rooms"
11:40
yeah but you know what I mean
No room for that
@sehe I just dislike bikeshedding in general.
That's a weird statement for some reason
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this is amazing
@JonClements dunno if we need a bunch of owners
11:41
how do you guys sparkle people
@elyse who the hell is that
@AndyProwl scroll up
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Martin Odersky

Rust

In Rust we trust! Rust is a systems programming language focus...
room open
@JohanLarsson have a word with @R.MartinhoFernandes - if they're not going to be there that often and you want to try and get rust going - get an RO off them or something
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11:43
write a bot that posts a message every two weeks :P
or, just post a message every week
or we all move there?
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@sehe no! automate everything!
@sehe photoshop?
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@JohanLarsson haha "move" get it
11:44
:)
@AndyProwl o.O
5 mins ago, by sehe
@elyse http://glitterboo.com/photo-effects.php
@JohanLarsson don't tempt me
@sehe x.X
The only real move is the pagan dance move.
11:46
> the pagan dance move
right. "the"
damn cropping is too limitating
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can't live without crops
@AndyProwl maybe you can bypass the limit by using reverse uncrop
I'm almost done
11:59
do you guys think we should make a better proposal for class template constructor deduction?
I did it
I can sparkle people!
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I don't get it
This is awesome
@elyse oh there's nothing to get about the sparkles
although @Gregor may like it cause robert
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Sparkly Guido
@AndyProwl hey hey hey!
you go to hell, you go to hell and die!
12:03
I'm in hell already
@Morwenn :)
@Mr.kbok If you have an elegant idea, go ahead :p
I only have slutty ideas
Anyway, today's interesting news remain this proposal to deprecate and/or remove C's annex K.
hello
12:07
what's that? bounds checking interfaces?
lol @edition hi
@Mr.kbok Yes, that one.
@Morwenn what's that?
@edition screenshots?
@edition what the hell is wrong with you
@Mr.kbok What are bound-checking interfaces or the 2D piano stuff?
the bound checking interfaces
I like how you can reply to future messages
12:10
Bound-checking interfaces are the additional set of IO functions with _s suffix, supposed to be more secure.
lol I thought it was an MS extension (since it sucked)
@edition It doesn't make sounds yet, does it? :)
@Mr.kbok no, although you can easily have different keyboard themes.
since its drawn from one image.
way to prioritize xD
12:12
@Mr.kbok They were the only ones to properly implement it I think, and they were probably the ones to propose it too.
oh okay
@Morwenn yeah, I guess.
> C++11 was looking more pythonic. Now with Core guidelines, modern C++ will also looks a bit like Rust. This ls definitely going to make C++ programmers life easier!
I also did some piano stuff like that a few years ago:
@Morwenn oh. was there a lot of code involved?
the guidelines are only as logical as are the people writing them
@edition Yes, even though it was written with Game Maker. It played melodies with the old PC speaker.
12:17
@Morwenn my application is using the Windows API. :/
no MFC.
MFC is cool
I don't hate it. But I'll not opt for it either
in Rust, 59 secs ago, by sehe
Finally, an "in" to plug that crazy Cujo hoax to some serious security folks
/cc @ElimGarak
MFC is cool but ugly
6 messages moved to bin
12:24
my sparkling uncle bob :(
sehe police
Oh. So that's who he was.
@Mr.kbok sparkle-obnoisea
12:38
does anyone have a good dupe target when the question is my item not being updated when passed to a function and the answer is either pass by reference or pass by pointer?
@sehe You did good, no more of these false prophets. There's only the one sparkling: Bjarne
I used: stackoverflow.com/questions/373419/… but there might be something better
Well. I could see fun in sparkling celebs. But as soon as we have more than there were apostles and even annoying weight loss ads there....
@NathanOliver That's actually a related answer, not a dupe.
uncle bin
boy this presentation is so demotivating
@NathanOliver I'm not really against that, but people get upset when I dupe-vote to such a "faq" answer
12:41
I wanna talk to people who are motivated already
@AndyProwl which one?
the one I'm preparing
giving a talk for people who you know don't give a fuck and would much rather do something else is terrible
yup. #1 reason I stepped out of conservatory, really
the thing is, I'm not able to not give a fuck about the presentation myself so I'm gonna spend 2 days preparing it
rather than, I don't know, 1 hour
yeah. sad
12:45
@AndyProwl Come on there must be at least one person who is enthusiast and intrigued, no?
@Rerito honestly, I doubt
You're gonna talk about CppCon?
@BartekBanachewicz your 'MiniCraft', you never got around to handling per-block data did you?
If a coworker attended the cppcon, I would have loved that he'ld share the experience with me...
12:46
@AndyProwl Why don't you try this age-old educator's trick: treat your audience as if they were highly motivated and will be all thrilled when you tell them what moves you.
my peers are mostly "normal" people, not in the sense of not being clever - some of them are brilliant; they're just not programming enthusiasts
> Children tend to meet the expected behaviour
@AndyProwl You don't need to be brilliant to see quality of life
@sehe yes, that's basically my approach
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@AndyProwl is this for work friends?
It just might mean some people need a hand achieving it
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12:47
or co-workers, rather
@Ell for colleagues, in general
@sehe the opposite might be needed 'ignorance is bliss'
@AndyProwl Woot. You're on a winning track. The least you can do is awaken curiousity in a few.
On a different topic, I've tried Yogi Tea's Jasmine blend, it's delicious
@JohanLarsson Nobody ever told you that's irony?
12:48
@sehe I hope so
@sehe the one who told you it was irony lied
I just find it odd to play this game of pretending and comparing with the more likely reality of people not giving a shit
@AndyProwl Plus even if they're not into programming, I bet they are scientists
@Rerito they're programmers
just not programming enthusiast
they do the minimum to get the job done, etc.
Ell
Ell
What is the presentation about?
12:49
Isnt that a bit... You know, paradoxical
nope, they take it as a job. Something that allows you to get money and enjoy other things in life
which are either easier to enjoy or more important
That's a poor philosophy if you ask me
I hate working with people like that
@Ell CppCon, why going to conferences, why (are we) using C++ at all, etc.
the last part is gonna be hard to justify
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12:50
I don't think so really
@JohanLarsson Except they didn't.
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> existing codebase
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@patio11 I love that guys non-victim mindset. We need more of it!
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done :3
@Rerito it depends. When people go back home they're likely to be more willing to spend their time with family than with a PC. Hard to blame them
12:50
@Rerito Not really. You can be paid decently when programming, even if you don't really enjoy it. There are jobs that you won't enjoy and won't get you money either.
@BartekBanachewicz :P
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Hmm there is a phrase
@AndyProwl Ofc, I'm the first to enjoy my time away from the PC. But when I'm at work, I like to learn stuff and enjoy (most of) what I do
> Don't Call Yourself A Programmer, And Other Career Advice here
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> Choose a job you love and you'll never work a day in your life
this seems incorrect to me
@Morwenn So you're saying people spent money and time on a 5 years degree just to have a not so boring job?
@Rerito And money.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
@AndyProwl well... if you allow yourself to take a week preparing a talk instead of 1 hour...
Yeah, money isnt flowing and I'm not covered in bitches. What did I miss?
@Ell Unless the job you love has no vacancies
12:53
Seems reasonable
> TODO : add midi support
@sehe I'm a bit exaggerated in the opposite direction yes
not a week though, 2 days
fuck don't remind me
@AndyProwl :D
I'm still so fucking sad and angry about that
12:53
(because I don't have more than 2 days lol)
some people spend 5 years and 20k to get a boring job that doesn't pay
this was the only project I've lost
@AndyProwl Hoffstadter's Law
because I was too fucking dumb to commit it outside
maybe you should wonder about those
@Rerito the problem is that the company doesn't give you much time to learn. You have to fix bugs implement features fix bugs implement features and repeat
@AndyProwl Yeah, same here, I do it rogue
and when they have some free time, colleagues rather get together for a tea and a chat about life
@Rerito everyone does.
@Rerito not enough stars on github
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12:55
hmmm what to call the folder that contains .log, .aux, .otherstuff that latex generates
I found myself earning the credits to lay low after each milestone and freewheel a bit. But most of it was outside working hours.
@Mr.kbok Oh, so github is the tinder thingy for programmers, is that it?
@Ell intermediate/? temp/? build/? artefact/? out/? cache/?
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@sehe I was thinking this
@Ell latexbullshit?
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12:55
thank you for confirmation
I wish there was a friend to review my code.
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cache is better actually
thanks
@edition best to ask an enemy
I shouldn't ask here.
@sehe gotta read that, thanks
12:58
@edition Go ask on Code Review.SE.
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@sehe clever
. @thegrugq @gcouprie Very similar: #Cujo will likely be more popular b/c makes you /pay/ instead https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/don-t-get-hacked-get-cujo#/ #blackbox #devices
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you are so quick, @sehe
Didn't link that in this room. Seems the most appropriate context to implicate the Cujo device, don't you agree?
@Ell I should have priorities though.
@Rerito yes
@edition is it on github?
13:01
@Mr.kbok yes
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Reason why chat logs are ... interesting: i.imgur.com/TG2H8JW.png src
@elyse you don't even believe that's funny
Because you don't know how to
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@sehe I'm neutral.
> Passed all 16 test cases with 83 assertions.
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It's neither funny nor not funny.
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13:05
@Mr.kbok What about the test cases that have fewer or more than 83 assertions?
@sehe "Remember that I’ve studied enough martial arts to be deadly even though I’m old, and I don’t give a fuck if I kick your mother fucking ass or you kick mine. " whoa we got a badass here.
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in better news
my bike runs much better after the fixes I've applied
@JohanLarsson do you ever force enumerations with something like ToList() just to get around LINQ's lazy evaluation?
actually I'm not sure I should be using LINQ the way I'm doing it here, since I'm expecting side-effects immediately
@AlexM. yes all the time, and then expose as IReadOnlyList<T>
but I do ToArray()
13:08
which one of these would you pick?
var newFiles = oldFiles.Select(file => MakeNewFile(file)).ToList();

foreach (var newFile in oldFiles.Select(...))
{
	newFiles.Add(newFile);
}

foreach (var oldFile in oldFiles)
{
	newFiles.Add(MakeNewFile(oldFile));
}
having everything IEnumerable<T> opens up the door to really slow code
@TheForestAndTheTrees too many wtf in a few lines, I stopped reading
@AlexM. not sure how you mean
also List<T> has AddRange()
ah yes I forgot about that
newFiles.AddRange(oldFiles.Select(...))
13:10
I like that, ty
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@StackedCrooked libclang
@JohanLarsson my issue was that Select evaluates lazily and I needed the thing to happen on the spot, all three of those achieve the same thing
but your solution I think is better
> CUJO acts as a gateway between your devices and for your connection to the Internet. We inspect packets of data coming and leaving your network and block threats before they can reach the target or do damage. We analyze behavior and secure all devices connected to your network. This is critical because newly connected devices don't have pre-installed security.
Oh wow.
it doesn't look like I'm working around LINQ's laziness
> We use bank-level security to protect the communication between your CUJO and the CUJO cloud. Such communication is stored and encrypted using AES-256 bit encryption.
> bank-level security
13:14
wasn't there a case where a bank lost money due to rounding errors in software?
sorry, not related to encryption.
how would one name a function that takes something like string{"Eq a => a -> a"} and returns whether only the type arguments that are in the signature are constrainted? (aka. there is no Eq b => a -> a); ... I am thinking semantic::checkNames() but it seems stupid
:'( I am sucking so hard at data structure things.
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@ScarletAmaranth why would it take a string.
Hello all
@elyse just for an illustration; it takes a parsed structure
13:20
@ScarletAmaranth areOnlyPresentTypesConstrained
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@ScarletAmaranth not hasPhantomConstraints
that's better ^
@thecoshman That's a thing I don't suck too much at :)
uuu, the hasPhantomConstraints is interesting! thanks
(and then who said shorter is worse!)
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Don't know if "phantom constraint" is a term anyone uses but it should be obvious.
13:21
@ScarletAmaranth Can you have constrained types not in the signature?
@Rerito I think my main problem is not knowing what exactly I want/need :P
no I can't
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You can allow them, but they'd just be ignored.
Anyone knows of a numerical routine/library that computes Kummer's confluent hypergeometric function for complex argument?
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There's no reason for them to be there.
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@ScarletAmaranth then throw a "b not in scope" error!
yeah I don't intend to recover from stupidity - I will likely throw and mark it nothrow, this way I don't even need to type std::terminate
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Ell
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@elyse jesus
13:28
> babysitter-who-was-sex-boy-spared
heh
the summary could use a few extra words
like "having", "with", and "11-year-old"
@elyse kek
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@Mr.kbok not kek man
@elyse Man having sex with 11 years old girl would get several years non-suspended prison sentence. Where is the justice in it?
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rape of a little boy
13:30
notch in the belt kek
@elyse Strange story.
> Having read everything before me, it was quite clear he was a mature 11-year-old and you were an immature 20-year-old so that narrows the arithmetic age gap between you.
lol
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Only a 4.5 year age difference!
> But the boy's father, who had a previous sexual relationship with the woman
^ Icing on the kek
there must be a way to replicate the features of my application using a opensource image library, and OpenGL.
13:35
Haha, my new fixed-sized sorting algorithms are supposed to have less comparisons and less moves/swaps, but it seems that they perform worse than before nevertheless.
instead of using WIC and Direct2D
Shit, too much rogue stuff for the day
this is a poor substitute for a girlfriend.
uh, not in the context of the previous article.
no
I mean, programming and this chat room
@edition I fully agree.
I just hope you don't get off over this chat
13:39
@Mr.kbok I wont.
@Mr.kbok Why not? Are you chatsexualphobe?
@edition Platform-specific is cool too, sometimes. You learn more stuff. Also I think WIC and Direct2D are nicer to use/
@wilx That's computer screen mistreatment
@Mr.kbok in honesty, I have been to websites containing naughty content, so, yeah.
who didn't
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oh feck ima be late for lecture
13:42
@edition I too visit msdn from time to time
guys
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Imagine food.
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Now accept that you don't have it.
I have an enable_if trait dispatch
I want to dispatch on a specific type, but not require the header associated with the type
If the header is not included, the overload should simply not be able to activate
@Mr.kbok So if the header is not included, the compiler aint aware of the trait and just triggers sfinae is that it?
yes
BUT
I want it to be independant of header inclusion order, ie I can't use #ifdef for instance
I don't think you can just use an undefined trait like this can you?
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13:47
@AndyProwl Rust has virtual concepts! is.gd/HlOFQd
@Mr.kbok Isn't that the purpose of enable_if? If the expr evaluates to true, then ::type is defined and otherwise enable_if<bla>::type doesn't exist?
And this non-existence triggers sfinae (that's my understanding)
@Rerito That makes sense, I'll try
I love vim's yyp
I think I'm getting better at vimming, very slowly
@Mr.kbok Vim + fugitive + ycm + nerd tree + airline :)
I don't have ycm
oh youcompleteme
I'm on windows so I may look for how to install it later
@JohanLarsson lol in the end I just used foreach, I ended up making MakeNewFile async so things got more complicated from then on
13:59
hmmm

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