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4:00 PM
lazy val is great.
 
user1804599
Also fuck Java APIs.
 
hmm
I wonder what the builtin Git support is like for VS?
 
Good in VS2013
I still need the command line
But it's fairly good
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well I scored in the 90th percentile on the verbal GRE literally without studying at all so whatever
 
it's pretty cool I gotta say
I didn't enable bezel correction so the perspective is a bit weird
but otherwise it's really nice, almost 1:1 scale to real life
 
4:06 PM
are CNAMEs supposed to end in an extra dot?
 
All complete names end with a dot
Empty label is the root domain
You don't type it because browsers etc add it implicitly
 
okeydoke
 
user2985029
@BartekBanachewicz those gaps and lines would drive me nuts
 
should i always pass template types by const ref
 
@zounds Always? No, of course not.
 
4:10 PM
@Alex have you tried it?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit still bitter about losing the revolutionary war I see
 
@jerry coffin this is more of a premature optimization question than anything else. i have a class template intended for using the numeric builtins like float, int etc. basically sizeof(type) == sizeof(pointer)
 
user2985029
@BartekBanachewicz i have not. how do you feel about it? how long have you used it that way
 
bartek what's the effective resolution on that, anyways
 
@BartekBanachewicz Seems like it would depend on what you were displaying. Pics from one of my favorite sites never seem to come out close to life sized.
@zounds In that case, it probably makes little difference whether you pass by reference or value.
 
4:15 PM
Krauts one-up!
 
@AaronKyleKilleen huh? we won!
@AaronKyleKilleen The 90th percentile... out of Americans.... (see?)
@BartekBanachewicz I'm sorry did you just say that your sword and castle are almost 1:1 scale to "real life"?
 
@Alex 5 minutes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit out of american's looking to get into grad school. which still puts me higher than Australians or Canadians per this chart
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :D I was wondering if someone would notice
@zounds 3600x1920
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit did you just say you won the revolutionary war?
 
4:22 PM
@JerryCoffin yeah
 
why do they let you edit your comments in chat
that's so weird
 
@JerryCoffin Wednesday's was truly inspiring
@AaronKyleKilleen Yes.
@AaronKyleKilleen Americans*
@BartekBanachewicz whether*
 
@Alex it needs to be set up properly because in me it's inducing motion sickness. However, the wow-factor is huge
 
Cheers & wtf.
 
well, until my projector comes here and I'll have 160" for gaming :3
 
4:23 PM
template mixins to encapsulate arithmetic operators: terrible idea?
 
Co-op Forced on the couch is gonna be awesome
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit how did the UK win the revolutionary war?
 
@AaronKyleKilleen By not having to put up with you tossers any more.
i.e. Your definition of "winning" is narrow and incorrect. :)
 
@JerryCoffin lol that link
 
@AaronKyleKilleen they seeded a future empire that would take care of their interests while allowing them to be the "good" anglophone country
 
4:25 PM
@zounds That too
HAIL HYDRA
 
is there a language out there that has strict typedefs
but that also lets you specify what operators are allowed on those types
like, the implementation of the operators would just be the basic ones
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit my definition of winning is standard and correct
 
"Because we said so"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That looks very nice.
 
@zounds Ada lets you specify a new type based on an existing type so it supports the same operators (but you still can't mix the two).
 
4:31 PM
Ada sounds great whenever i hear people talk about it but i'm sure its horrible in its own way
 
@zounds Ada isn't nearly so limited as to be "horrible in its own way." Rather, it's horrible in a vast number and wide variety of ways.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Nope.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen They managed to be the society that didn't issue mental patients with assault rifles to go shooting up schools.
 
@Puppy where did you get that idea from?
 
4:35 PM
@cyberspace009 Facts?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit source please.
I understand there's school shootings, but are they really mental patients?
 
some of them
 
so the victor of a war has nothing to do with battles or agreements about who gets to set the terms of peace?
 
@cyberspace009 No, the assailants are perfectly sane and healthy.
 
others are undiagnosed but you've still gotta expect that you've gotta be quite crackers to go shooting up a school
 
user1804599
4:37 PM
[error] /Users/rightfold/torus/src/main/scala/sexy/rightfold/torus/message.scala:21: type mismatch;
[error]  found   : ?0(in value values)(in value values)(in value values)(in value values) => String where type ?0(in value values)(in value values)(in value values)(in value values)
[error]  required: ?0(in value values)(in value values)(in value values)(in value values) => ? where type ?0(in value values)(in value values)(in value values)(in value values)
[error]       val values = rawRequest.getHeaders(header.asInstanceOf[String]).asScala.toSeq.map(_.asInstanceOf[String])
 
user1804599
dat error message.
 
any error message with "rightfold" in it is an error message I like to see
 
is there a compiler tool to instatiate all the functions of a template class so i can test that they compile correctly?
 
@puppy yeah but the mass shootings are not a large part of the shooting deaths, they're mostly just for scaremongering and propaganda purposes
 
@Puppy A fine example of how distorted most people's view of crime really is. Consider, for example, that although differences in reporting make comparisons difficult, careful attempts at comparing apples to apples show that there's substantially more violent crime (per capita) in the UK than the US. politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/24/…
 
user1804599
4:42 PM
@zounds f<T>
 
I wish to know why would they do such a thing.
 
jerry that link says that the claim that the uk has more per capita violent crime than the us is false
 
@JerryCoffin I agree that it can be inherently difficult to compare crime rates across countries. That's why I like the death rate statistic. It's pretty clear if a person was killed by gunfire or not.
 
@JerryCoffin I don't think anyone's disputing that. I certainly wouldn't.
 
 
4:43 PM
@puppy that's a narrow category of violent crime
 
@JerryCoffin It's specifically guns and specifically schools, under discussion at present.
 
and it's hard to dispute that the us has a much higher homicide rate
 
@AaronKyleKilleen In which the US ranks 50 times higher.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen It's specifically guns and specifically schools, under discussion at present.
 
besides, I specifically commented on school shootings with guns, if I recall, not violent crime in general.
 
4:44 PM
@Puppy Yes; it's specifically guns and specifically schools, under discussion at present.
 
@rightfold: i learned templates using MSVC, which was probably a bad idea, but doesn't instantiating the class only instantiate the class functions you actually call?
 
@zounds Nope, all of 'em.
(I made that up; looking it up now)
 
@zounds You need to read it more carefully. A claim was made that the UK had a rate of violent crime roughly 4 or 5 times higher than the US. They rated it false because they found it to be only about 2 times higher than in the US.
 
@puppy okay then for that narrow category, that only accounts for a small fraction of the deaths you are correct
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit std::vector<std::unique_ptr<T>>::vector(const std::vector<std::unique_ptr<T>>&);.
 
4:45 PM
> [C++11: 14.7.1/1]: [..] The implicit instantiation of a class template specialization causes the implicit instantiation of the declarations, but not of the definitions or default arguments, of the class member functions, member classes, scoped member enumerations, static data members and member templates; and it causes the implicit instantiation of the definitions of unscoped member numerations and member anonymous unions. [..]
> [C++11: 14.7.2/8]: An explicit instantiation that names a class template specialization is also an explicit instantiation of the same kind (declaration or definition) of each of its members (not including members inherited from base classes) that has not been previously explicitly specialized in the translation unit containing the explicit instantiation, except as described below. [..]
@Puppy What about it?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nearly impossible to compare. As far as I can find, neither country actually collects statistics on that narrow category.
 
@JerryCoffin Certainly we don't, because there's been something like one school shooting in the UK ever.
:)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If instantiating a template did instantiate all the member functions, that would include the copy constructor, so it would be impossible to store move-only types in a vector.
 
(Because we let the Americans win their "revolutionary war")
@Puppy ok
I thought SFINAE would be sufficient to get you past that anyway
 
not actually sure if it can.
 
4:49 PM
sure
 
@rightfold been there :D
 
SFINAE can only prevent something from being instantiated by preventing it from being called.
 
I actually want to leave America and maybe move to Canada. America is about to fall due to its endless war mongering.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but the school shootings are the events most exploited by gun hysterics
 
so I'm not even sure if you could use SFINAE to protect yourself from an instantiation occuring from a non-call-site.
@AaronKyleKilleen They're the most readily symbolic. But don't take that for meaning that they're all that matters.
the fact is, it's dumb as shit to go around issuing guns to everybody and the massive firearm death rate is just the expected result.
 
4:51 PM
@cyberspace009 the war mongering is bad, but mostly just wasteful, I'm also considering leaving but more due to the dysgenic policies.
 
@cyberspace009 The US actually has that mostly under control now. In fact the West has sort of gone too far in the other direction now. Lack of intervention in Syria has just royally fucked up the Middle East for the next twenty years.
@cyberspace009 The US will fall because of its endless retardidity.
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there are a few places like Switzerland (Israel?) that manage to avoid it.
 
Switzerland is not in Israel
 
I'm actually ashamed to be American but the worse is coming soon.
 
'Annoying bug in python. (0.3 + 0.3 + 0.3 = 0.899999…)' [sigh]. All the old favourites are up today:(
 
4:52 PM
the stock market will crash due to the debt
 
user1804599
@MartinJames lol decimals not being the default
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I kinda disagree.
 
user1804599
(lol defaults in general)
 
@Puppy Then you're kinda wrong. :)
 
correct me if I'm wrong, but the various Muslim sects have been trying to kill each other for about as long as the Christian sects, and only stopped when somebody bigger stepped on them.
 
Christians killed each other, too.
 
UK school shooting rates are lower because the gangs prefer their stabbings and drive-bys away from massed witnesses and good camera coverage.
 
all in the name of land and greed.
 
@cyberspace009 Sure, compare big conflicts of different times.
 
nobody's disputing human nature or the cycle of violence, but if you let these things grow then the problem gets worse. Islamist State has a tremendous geographical and financial foothold because they were allowed to gain momentum.
 
user1804599
4:54 PM
Move to the Pakistan.
 
Religious fanatics with swords are far less dangerous than religious fanatics with nukes.
 
Halal can seriously fuck off though
 
user1804599
RACIST
 
ASSBUTT
 
user1804599
4:57 PM
But are dickwads halal?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit don't the public schools in the UK give everyone halal because it's easier than sorting halal and nonhalal? I some news sources told me that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, but I'm considering the perspective that it's the fact that they want to kill each other that's the problem. Unless you want to occupy them for a hundred years, they have to be able to get along without our troops. They need to realize that what they're doing only makes things worse, and I'm not sure we can just drop a knowledge bomb on them. I'm definitely not arguing against intervention but it seems to me like it only addresses the symptoms rather than the problem.
 
I have no problem with letting them massacre each other
 
and I'm considering the perspective that it might make things worse in the long run.
 
user1804599
 
5:02 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen Not quite to that extent, but there have been cases in certain areas.
@Puppy Um, they don't want to kill each other. They want to kill us. The leader of Islamist State (ISIS until recently) called upon all Muslims around the world to come to arms and murder all non-Muslims, two days ago.
Head, rock, etc
 
I actually think the Brittish Empire had brilliant foreign policy, they did remarkably little fighting and dominated
 
@AaronKyleKilleen That was mostly down to technological superiority.
 
@MartinJames What is 0.1 + 0.2 in Python?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thought it's hardly authoritative, Wikipedia seems to agree. Interestingly, that one incident, however, works out to enough to nearly match the US on a per-capita basis. Going through the list, and comparing to (current) populations I get a rate of ~3.3 deaths per million people in the US, and ~2.7/million in the UK (though that's just based on current population, not at the time of each shooting).
 
0.30000000000000004
@JerryCoffin Hah, and I was guessing, too. nice
 
5:04 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well I think they had some remarkable diplomatic strategy too, they got other people to do the fighting for them
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, but that's not what they're actually doing. They're actually going and murdering Muslims of other denominations.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Yeah, it was "fight for us as part of our army or we will destroy your cities, rape your wives, and annihilate your crops".
@Puppy Give them a moment, jees. They're establishing a base of power. It has basically nothing to do with Islam or denominations.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That is the correct answer given an IEEE754 implementation.
 
@FredOverflow Funny, that
 
5:07 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I thought they exploited existing conflicts and used just enough military force to tip the balance in their favor and gain influence in the region
 
@Puppy The Christian sects have been doing it about 623 years longer than the Muslim sects (Islam wasn't started until AD 623).
 
user1804599
Also.
 
user1804599
GO GERMANY
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm thinking of when the UK allied with Japan during the Russo Japanese war to limit Russia's influence. It all seemed very calculating.
 
@Puppy They also bomb innocent people in Afghanistan.
 
5:11 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen Have you read anything about ISIS from the last two, three weeks? They looted Syrian oilfields, then marched into Iraq, took two or three cities, and stole around $1bn in gold. That's a lot of force.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not talking about ISIS, I'm talking about the british empire
 
my screen is 160" at 5 meters
 
user1804599
@AaronKyleKilleen Same thing. Soon.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Oh, sorry, yeah; two conversations at once.
 
5:12 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They will also own the Iraq oil fields in a few days.
 
that's perfectly in the middle of the throw range
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Yes, true.
 
My ears are too hot.
 
5:14 PM
it's only 20cm below the mount
i have to measure veritcally
fuck
I have 35cm difference between bottom of the mount and the top of the screen
 
for god's sake Bartek
this is not enough detail
 
according to specs this particular one has negative offset of 20cm at 5 meters throw range
that means I'd need to compensate for 55cm of height :F
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can provide more details for my query Sir..
 
user3010322
@Ell What do you mean, I was using tabs in sol?
 
user3010322
I converted all tabs to spaces and also back-checked to make sure it was just spaces and not tabs.
 
the UK's ppp adjusted gdp per capita is about 70% of ours
how did you guys fall so far behind?
 
5:21 PM
@JerryCoffin Djikstra died 623 years ago? Bloody hell!
@AaronKyleKilleen We stopped wasting 30% on healthcare and bullets to kill each other with.
 
user3010322
I... I think these are UTF16 thingies.
 
'Boateng' sounds too much like 'Bartek' when the commentators are talking fast:)
 
@BartekBanachewicz doubt*
 
@puppy right but if you guys increased your productivity by 50% you'd still only be 5% ahead of us, that's pretty crazy
 
@AaronKyleKilleen 21 out of 187 is not "so far behind"
GDP doesn't mean all that much
 
5:24 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen More likely, the value of the pound will go up by 50%.
 
it can just be a sign of a bubble economy or overinflated rates
 
also, there are other economic indicators that can be just as or more important.
 
$53,101 vs $37,307
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit At the time, England pretty clearly viewed it as a humiliating but necessary defeat. England won the 7 years war almost immediately before the US revolution began. They'd had few allies, but still beaten their biggest enemies, especially France and Spain. Unfortunately, it left them nearly bankrupt. Sending many troops to the US would have been expensive and exposed England herself open to danger of invasion from France, Spain, etc.
 
5:25 PM
That table is misleading because although everything's in dollars, the purchasing power of a dollar even three miles down the road is quite different, let alone in another country. Comparing the figures like that is folly.
 
for example, Sterling is making quite a few gains against the dollar this year.
 
@JerryCoffin Thanks Prof
 
good your manufacturing will be even less competitive
 
ITT I need a schooling on my own country's history
;p
 
user3010322
Uh
 
5:26 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen You mean, that tiny fragment of our economy? Oh noes!
 
user3010322
In C#, char is 16 bits, right?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Apparently so.
 
@ThePhD yes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit plus your cost of living is through the roof compared to ours how much is a gallon of gas in the UK?
 
but use short if you actually need a 16bit datatype
 
user2985029
5:27 PM
i found this advice about how to deal with a big cat such as a lion if you should find yourself facing one: How do wild cats, such as tigers and lions kill their prey? dont run away or play dead
 
user3010322
I have a bunch of files which were mangled by some stupid piece of shit java thing
 
the spec does not demand that char is 16bits
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Now they'll be on you for shortening "gasoline" to "gas" instead of "petrol".
 
user3010322
(30)#U30a2#U30ad#U30d0#U63a2#U8a2a
 
@ThePhD read them in as utf-16BE
 
user3010322
5:28 PM
Files look like this. I think they're 16-bit code units.
 
user3010322
So I need to piece them together.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not to mention taxes
 
@ThePhD just open the files in notepad++
 
user3010322
Is there a way to make char.Parse read things as Hex?
 
user3010322
@Mgetz THey're file names.
 
5:30 PM
use readbytes
it would fail if you just assign codepoints to chars
as .net is little endian
and java is big endian
 
user3010322
...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit and unemployment, you guys probably have lower inequality but that's about it
 
@ThePhD that would explain a bit of my bugs
 
user3010322
You're completely missing the point.
 
lol @ "lower inequality"
hmm time to hook up my speakers finally
 
5:31 PM
@ThePhD perhaps I am, but I think you're trying to treat C# like C++
 
anime world cup 9gag.com/gag/azbnQnp
russia and france are the best
 
user3010322
@Mgetz Dude. This has nothing to do with that.
 
user3010322
I have file names. Strings. They are formatted like garbage. I need to correct that garbage.
 
user3010322
Crap like this
 
user3010322
(34)#U304d#U3063#U3068#U9752#U6625#U304c#U805e#U3053#U3048#U308b(TV#U30b5#U30a4#U30ba)[#U7b2c3・・0・1・3#U8a71#U30a8#U30f3#U30c7#U30a3#U30f3#U30b0#U30c6#U30fc#U30de]
 
5:32 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen yeah our taxes are pretty brutal
 
user3010322
Needs to become fancy kanji letters instead
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Taxes are relative to what you receive from them. For example, the US and UK pay about the same in taxes to support healthcare, except we then don't have to pay about the same again on top.
 
user3010322
There's a universal hex identifier that C# will respect when parsing...
 
user3010322
What is it? 0x ?
 
Now they'll be on us for shortening "Petroleum spirit" to "gas" instead of "petrol".
 
@Puppy yeah our healthcare system is broken, who will subsidize your prescription drug prices when we fix it?
 
I mean, It's not like 'gas' has any other common meaning, right?
 
@AaronKyleKilleen The same people who always have done- us.
 
@AlexM. Featuring tits.
 
@puppy if US consumers didn't pay as much as we do now for prescription drug prices, drug companies would either lose R&D or raise prices
 
5:36 PM
@EtiennedeMartel that are never properly drawn
 
@AaronKyleKilleen That doesn't concern me. We already have to pay for the R&D of most of the drugs that will be super useful to us.
frankly, I'm not sure that low-cost cancer drugs are worth the price.
 
user3010322
How do you take an array of ints in C# and get its bytes?
 
I thik the temp here is actually rising. I'm dripping and my ears underneath these headphones are on fire.
 
user3010322
Derp. Buffer.BlockCopy
 
user3010322
Wish I could just reinterpret_cast. :v
 
5:39 PM
undefined behaviour.
 
@ScottW lol
 
someone wrote USA! in marker on the jug on the water cooler. Good ole 'murika
 
@AlexM. They're more like gel balloons stuck to their chests.
 
user1804599
@ThePhD unsafe!
 
user1804599
Shit. What have I done. ;_;
 
5:47 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen LOL, what a myth
you should really take a look at the dividends that drug companies pay
they are almost as good as oil
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Why would you pay so much just for prices?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you know what I mean
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit because he buys into the patent myth
that patents encourage innovation
 
@mgetz I'm working for the drug companies right now!
 
@Mgetz no you missed my funny
 
5:51 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen your company spends more on bribing doctors to prescribe their potentially dangerous cocktails (drug studies are funded by the drug companies negative studies are never published) than they do on R&D
 
you had a funny?
where?
 
@Ell No, I made this and ThePhD helped with it.
Also hi.
 
French driver is selecting 'airport' on coach GPS.
 
user1804599
Fuck you JVM and your crippled generics.
 
user1804599
scala> Set("hello", "world").asInstanceOf[Set[Any]].asInstanceOf[Set[Int]]
res0: Set[Int] = Set(hello, world)
 
5:53 PM
lol
 
I never understood why the JVM went the route it did with generics
 
backwards compat.
.NET made a bytecode breaking change in 2.0 with their generics.
 
it removes all the benefits of generics
 
JVM avoided the bytecode breaking change.
 
user1804599
5:54 PM
@Mgetz No, not all of them.
 
user1804599
They are still useful to have at compile-time.
 
right.
now I have my website hosted by github pages
 
user1804599
Otherwise you’d have to:
1) Keep track of the types manually.
2) Insert downcasts manually.
 
so all I need to do now is actually produce some content for it worth having
 
@rightfold but are still slower at run time because the type still has to be checked on retrieval
 
user1804599
5:56 PM
Yes, that’s one of the downsides of this approach.
 
FrogDead.
 
the irony being that Java was more microsoft than microsoft... MS made breaking changes when they needed too
 
@Mgetz I just took a quick look. Most seem to be right at 3%, just about like (for obvious examples) Intel, Apple and Microsoft. Not bad by any means, but not a lot higher than other high-tech companies either.
 
user1804599
I guess there were fewer C# users when C# introduced generics than Java users when Java introduced generics.
 
yeah, C# was relatively a lot younger.
 
5:59 PM
@Puppy I don't think C# would exist if Sun hadn't sued microsoft
 

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