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Ell
10:00 AM
etc. etc.
 
@Rapptz you're not married until you sign the register and make it legal. the ceremony is just pomp
@Rapptz so, yes, it does (kinda)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know.
 
Coming soon, fast food to support other oppressed groups: "Victims of Sexual Abuse Burger", "Murdered Nuggets" and 'SQL Subway".
 
I'm just saying what people consider the actual "marriage" is secular.
 
PHPFC
@Rapptz yeah, and Ell's just saying that this notion would be better entitled "civil partnership" and then all the problems would go away, both with the gays and with the bible bashers and the "normal people" too
 
10:01 AM
@Ell Maybe it should be called "vrrnhiec".
 
I'll be honest but anyone who argues with the bible against gay marriage is a lost cause anyway.
 
So the ultimate question is, does @Puppy even agree with himself? :P
 
Doesn't matter what you call it for them to change their mind.
 
LOL! Starboard 'I thought the chat has been ccreated to get instant and fast help' - I can't even be bothered to look back to see how that went down:)
 
haha i favourited this years ago and the ending still makes me giggle every time
 
10:03 AM
@Rapptz The name is just a low hanging fruit justification.
 
@MartinJames I'm sure you can imagine
@TonyTheLion interesting question
 
there's only one person that can answer that
 
British humour is weird.
 
it takes time getting used to british humor
when I first moved to Britain, I couldn't bend my mind around why they'd find some of this stuff funny
 
Yay, two ICEs gone. Now only "compiler is out of heap space" left.
 
10:06 AM
MSVC?
 
downloadmoreheapspace.com
 
There would be an easy solution: the compiler could just use the fucking RAM.
@TonyTheLion I already have heaps more of that. The compiler is just so terribly bad that it refuses to use it.
If this was GCC I wouldn't get any of that bullshit before my system started thrashing like mad.
 
GCC likes using my RAM
A little bit too much ._.
 
that's what RAM is for, to use
 
10:08 AM
Too much is better than too little.
 
I know but they use it like they have no shame
 
It's an inconvenience not an fucking brick wall that forces you to redesign your code.
 
I think it's Catch making my compiles take up >1 GB of RAM though
iunno
How much RAM does MSVC stop at?
2 GB?
 
There are seven runs of MSVC with "out of heap space" in there.
 
lol advice #3 to #7
the true 90s experience
 
10:11 AM
that's terrible
 
@Rapptz EXACTLY.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes whaaat. how? :S
 
Don't ask me.
It is actively wasting my transistors.
 
How many includes do you have?
Apparently that's actually a real problem from what I've been reading
 
10:15 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Have you tried increasing your page file? It's their tip #2.
 
@Rapptz lol
So funny.
 
I know
off to bed I go
 
Ell
npm install bower
bower install hello
This is crazy
 
user1804599
No, it’s not.
 
Ell
10:31 AM
why are there two levels of package managers? :P
or three.
apt-get install npm
npm install bower
bower install hello
 
user1804599
Because they all do different things.
 
user1804599
apt-get is for Debian (and probably other crappy distros as well), npm is for Node.js and Bower is for client-side web development.
 
user1804599
And Bower happens to be written in JavaScript targeting Node.js, so you install it with npm.
 
user1804599
If you don’t like it then make a Debian package for Bower.
 
user1804599
Or pollute Debian package repository with all Bower packages and watch them get outdated immediately.
 
Ell
10:36 AM
Do you think each language should have it's own package manager?
 
@Ell No, each language should have three package managers! Can never have too many of them
 
The "sub"-managers should just be able to hook into the primary package manager, with some form of namespaces or something.
But that requires a package manager that is actually designed properly.
 
@Griwes and while we're making outlandish requirements, I want a pony and a jetpack too.
or a pony with a jetpack!
 
Ell
Maybe it can be @rightfold 's next project :D
 
user1804599
@Ell Every platform. So Python would have one, Ruby would have one, Node.js would have one, browsers would have one, .NET would have one, Java platform would have one, etc…
 
user1804599
10:42 AM
npm is best package manager.
 
@rightfold I am really unsure if you are trolling or are just dumb.
 
user1804599
“I had a version conflict with npm packages.” — nobody ever
 
"I was happy to have gazilions of package managers I have to use." - nobody ever
 
user1804599
Installing packages globally is a retarded idea. I don’t understand why so many package managers (e.g. pip and RubyGems) do that.
 
user1804599
And then people create virtualenv-like tools to “fix” that. :facepalm:
 
user1804599
10:45 AM
Fix the goddamn package manager instead.
 
> The problem is NOTHING is available in 4k. Nothing on disk nothing streaming just nothing. A 4k movie would take like 6-8 blue ray disks. There is ONE 4 k move out there, the new 007 skyfall. I guess you can rent it though Sony but the wait list is like a year or more. It comes on a hard drive that is like a few terrabytes.
lol
 
@Rapptz e.g.?
@TonyTheLion and when I see some YouTube videos and Americans are giggling hysterically at the most mundane things, it baffles me :(
OH MY GOD THAT'S CRAZY
INSANEEEE!!!!!
the land of the free hyperbole
 
> terrabytes
 
Is there a YouTube video of a pony with a jetpack?
 
> ONE 4 k move
 
10:48 AM
@rightfold lol
 
@rightfold It's not.
 
Talking of hyperbole, I see that the 'coverage' of Brazil-Colombia starts 1.5 hrs before the kickoff. Don't think I'll bother.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey of course it is.
 
user1804599
If two projects need different versions of the same package, you’re screwed.
 
user1804599
You’ll run into all sorts of problems.
 
user1804599
10:51 AM
If you abandon a project, you’re left with old packages installed you don’t need anymore.
 
@rightfold If two projects need different versions of the same package, one of them sucks, because it doesn't work with the latest version of that package.
 
@rightfold The package manager should treat two different versions of the same package differently and store them in two different places.
 
user1804599
npm installing to node_modules and Node.js knowing about node_modules is perfect example of how to do it right.
 
user1804599
Integration FTW.
 
It's not a fault of the package manager, but a fault of idiots creating projects.
 
10:51 AM
Just like if they were two different packages.
 
Ell
I don't know why package managers can't install different versions of stuff :3
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey How would you refer to them?
 
user1804599
import "foo-v1.0";?
 
@rightfold import foo;
Because depending on old versions of a package is retarded.
 
user1804599
What if there is an update available? Do I have to change all my code to import the new version?
 
10:53 AM
@rightfold What do you mean by "refer"? In cabal you can specify which range of versions you accept for a package. If the package exists with a version in the range, then you are fine; otherwise you download the latest in the range and save it globally in another place (different from the other versions).
 
@Griwes ..but sometimes unavoidable. Bugs get fixed, new bugs pop up.
 
@rightfold If the API changes, it's a new package.
 
^
 
user1804599
Besides.
 
Xeo
An enum simply defines special names for some of its values. The range of valid values is the same as that of the underlying type. — Xeo 19 secs ago
 
10:54 AM
Not a "new version of the same package".
 
Xeo
People really seem to have a problem with that concept.
 
user1804599
What do you gain by installing them globally rather than in a subfolder of the project folder?
 
@rightfold The fact that they are available globally?
Like, do you install boost locally every time you start a new project?
 
@rightfold The fact that if I have 5 projects all needing a single version, I don't have to install it 5 times?
 
user1804599
Besides, Cabal doesn’t work well with different versions of the same package.
 
10:55 AM
@rightfold Irrelevant.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey That is not a problem IMO.
 
We are not talking about a specific package manager.
 
user1804599
I have a 1TB HDD anyway.
 
53 secs ago, by Griwes
Like, do you install boost locally every time you start a new project?
 
user1804599
And a 40Mb/s internet connection.
 
10:56 AM
@rightfold It's not the memory the problem. ^
It's the time it takes to compile.
And the fact that it really doesn't scale.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Define “scale.”
 
Yay, my coworker will help me build a gearbox.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Not a problem IMO.
 
user1804599
I’m totally fine with that.
 
@Griwes Both.
 
10:57 AM
@rightfold Given n projects sharing the same version of a package, the complexity of the managing packages grows O(n); while you could easily get O(1).
 
I can't be the only developer who has downloaded and installed the newest 'all-fixed, faster, by far better' lib version only to find that their previously functioning project is now undeliverable?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am not sure why I wasn't sure about the second.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey No, because they’re all the same version.
 
Ell
lvh.me is cool!
 
user1804599
If one project wants to upgrade to a new version then it can do that fine.
 
10:58 AM
@rightfold So you install locally but... globally?
 
@rightfold Yes, and you have n local installations of the same version.
 
user1804599
@Ell I love websites that are not available.
 
I do agree that sometimes, though rarely, you do want to install something locally.
 
user1804599
They’re cool as hell.
 
Ell
@rightfold its 127.0.0.1 :p
 
10:59 AM
@rightfold There's no upgrade. There's version X and version Y.
 
@Xeo Because it is kinda dumb.
 
@Ell that really scared me and then I realised it's localhost :)
 
So I can agree with adding a feature of installing locally.
By not by default, you dumb person.
 
^^^
 
And it should prompt the user about it 10 or 20 times
explaining why doing it is retarded.
 
Xeo
11:01 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dunno, I never understood enums as anything else
 
@Xeo You're in the minority, I'd say. I find the fact that unlabelled/nonexistent enum members can technically be created to be an abstraction leak and/or defect (one that enum classes fix, I'd guess?). Enums are enumerations of the values that you have defined in the enum. No other values, semantically, are possible for an instance of that type.
My 2p
(the defect would be the wording in 7.2/7)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit (no, they don't change that)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes in fact yeah cos 7.2/7 refers to fixed scoped enums
> For an enumeration whose underlying type is fixed, the values of the enumeration are the values of the underlying type.
shame
giggle I'm going to enjoy using this url
 
hi mortals
 
The problem is that your code and error messages are invisible. Make them visible and everything should work. — Lightness Races in Orbit 17 secs ago
 
Xeo
11:14 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Flag enums would like a word with you
 
user1804599
@abdellahmansur hi minion
 
heh /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
> Achieve up to 30 hours of continuous gameplay, or 3 months of normal usage
 
welcome the new immortal user, rightfold
 
@Xeo FLAG_1 | FLAG_2 promotes each enum member into an int before the |. the result is, also, an int. Not sure what you're saying?
 
how y'all doin
 
11:15 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Where's that from?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The wireless mouse I want to buy. ooooooh
 
@abdellahmansur hungry
 
Oh well.
I've had mine since December.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Razer Orochi
 
Still running on the included batteries.
 
11:16 AM
it's hybrid Bluetooth for normal usage / wired for gaming
 
Still showing as having over a year battery left.
 
damn that's what mortals have to go through __ for now just hold on
 
user1804599
Ugh wireless mice.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, but people like using enums for explicit flag names. And if the values of an enum could not be anything but those names... well, flag enums just wouldn't work.
 
@rightfold I am looking for something for my upcoming laptop
I thought a BT mouse would be nice because it doesn't take an usb port
> It performs equally well both wired and through wireless Bluetooth 3.0 connectivity
 
user1804599
11:17 AM
Trackpad.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's only true if it doesn't need its own receiver.
@Xeo Flag enums are a hack anyway. enum some_flags { a, b, c, d } <- proof.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it doesn't, it's a BT mouse
 
what do you think is faster __ redis serving out of memory or nginx static files
 
@rightfold meh, the only reasonable trackpads are on Apple devices
@R.MartinhoFernandes fail
 
user1804599
@abdellahmansur I don’t think. I measure.
 
Xeo
11:18 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes If we restrict enums to only named values, I'd be fine with a different flag type thingy
 
i am lazy _
 
user1804599
Then get out.
 
Underscores are not punctuation in English.
 
i am abroad right now _
 
As far as I am aware they are not punctuation in any natural language.
 
11:20 AM
ug
this mouse is pretty fucking expensive
 
user1804599
The mouse I use at work was less than twenty bucks.
 
user1804599
Works perfectly.
 
I'm happy for you then.
Keep using it.
 
I don't care.
 
user1804599
Walk the plonk!
 
11:22 AM
@abdellahmansur you're annoying.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz exactly what he wanted to achieve, I imagine
 
why annoying - bartek _ sorry for dat _
 
@abdellahmansur so not only are you too lazy to do your own job. You're also too lazy to correctly write the request for others to do your job for you?
Go away
 
@abdellahmansur because you are using underscores for punctuation
 
suddenly, a wild troll appeared
 
Ell
11:24 AM
@rightfold I like this a lot
 
I thought only linkers used underscores for punctuation. Maybe abdellah is a trolling linker?
 
@abdellahmansur Good. Go away then?
 
@Xeo I don't follow.
coliru slow
 
hm
there's a R.A.T. BT version
but this also appears to be hellishly expensive
 
user1804599
user=> (subset? (set "ld") (set "abdellah"))
true
 
user1804599
11:25 AM
@MartinJames confirmed.
 
@abdellahmansur okey I'll do just that. (hint: it's not your language)
 
thank you - bartek _
 
@abdellahmansur Can you explain to me why we should ignore people who come here to talk imaginary languages and be idiots about it, rather than get them banned?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit OK, downvoted. Didn't even bother to read the body.
 
11:27 AM
ignore me please - jalf _
 
Xeo
I have a feeling a certain "immortal" in here is trying too hard to look cool.
 
@abdellahmansur Answer my question. Why shouldn't we flag you instead? Why should we let a troll fuck around here?
 
oh look
RAT Tournament Edition
 
@BartekBanachewicz Tournament rats, woo
 
what are these nonsense flags for?
 
11:28 AM
lol wat did they made the underside from plastic
 
user1804599
I prefer MOUSE.
 
@rightfold there's M.O.U.S.
 
user1804599
DEADMOUS
 
oh, drama drama drama.
 
11:29 AM
it looks like they enlarged the precision aim button
and the side ones too, I think
 
@abdellahmansur goodbye.
 
it will also prolly be much lighter if they got rid of metal parts
 
Wow you guys got a guy suspended from all of SO chat for using underscores. Awesome work. It's a wonder you don't have more friends in SE
@MartinJames ;p
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz dat mouse
 
user1804599
The blue reminds me of swimming pools.
 
11:31 AM
@rightfold they are very comfortable
also fuck I know what I was missing
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
they took away the 2nd wheel
 
user1804599
The point.
 
@rightfold Not me. I'm a UK citizen. Swimming pools here are brown with floating debris.
 
user1804599
11:32 AM
> 2nd wheel
 
user1804599
Is it a multiplayer mouse?
 
It's under the thumb.
 
user1804599
@MartinJames You swim on the street; enough water anyway.
 
user1804599
What is it for?
 
11:33 AM
Wheeling.
 
that looks like something other than a mouse
 
user1804599
Scrolling horizontally?
 
@rightfold For everything requring another axis of movement/rapid pulses?
@rightfold can be used for that too.
I use it to control the ship's throttle in Guns of Icarus
 
user1804599
Scroll sphere!
 
they are called trackballs vOv
 
user1804599
11:34 AM
Also why is it 27º.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It does sound like quite a stupid reason for getting yourself kicked out.
I'm not sad, though.
 
@BartekBanachewicz looks like a transformer
 
@rightfold what?
 
@rightfold There is a lake near I can swim in. I don't know what is in the lake water, but it's still cleaner than most swimming pools:)
 
It also looks retarded
 
11:35 AM
@jalf why?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well given the specific trolls who were involved this time I can't say I'm too surprised :)
 
user1804599
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 1 hour 54 minutes.
 
user1804599
lol that’s a long time
 
not really
real men last longer than that having sex
 
> I've an ability too switch writing style. Like this. and this.. and sound like an indian, italian or chinese who doesn't know where to put dot and commas... I don't like to be the same person online.
lol
 
11:36 AM
It's not even accurate, should be '_inappropriate content'
 
user1804599
inappropriate underscores
 
Boost.SIMD has zero docs.
 
> this is my Tmux "desktop environment" (...).. you wouldn't believe me but it feels easier for hacking,
 
tmux is nice.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nobody at boost has yet behaved badly enough to be given the documentation job.
 
11:38 AM
> For $2000 I will teach you how to DDoS/DoS a server and for $800 how to look for loopholes in a website
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
Ell
Damn I think I'm going to have to start hosting my web app finally. I can't seem to get OAuth to work on localhost without serving it
 
hmm people on macrumors recommend orochi
 
user1804599
@Ell port forwarding.
 
@BartekBanachewicz People on macrumors?
 
11:40 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes on their forums
 
Ell
@rightfold I need a url to redirect to for oauth2 :S
 
The macrumors forums.
 
Ell
How can port forwarding help me? :)
 
user1804599
http://your-ip:your-port/
 
Ell
but at the minute it's all just in a html file
with nothing serving it. I've just opened the file with my browser :p
 
user1804599
11:43 AM
Just install Nginx.
 
template <bool Dynamic, int... Dims>
struct size_total_mixin_impl {
    using static_total = meta::product<meta::ints<Dims...>>; // sigh, here because no constexpr in MSVC

    int total(size_storage<Dims...> const&) const { return static_total::value; }
};
MSVC runs out of heap space on this :(
 
user1804599
Good.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the compiler or the compiled program?
 
The compiler, obviously.
 
haha
 
11:46 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is MSVC compiled into 32 bits or what?
 
> was the Louis Pasteur of SE till my data overloading and my last star bot experiment to help me determine SE websocket and database vulnerabilities that I already emailed to the SE devs.
what
 
@Griwes As if it used 2GB if given.
 
advertising DDoS classes on SO? wish there were a way to flag profiles
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Flag somewhere with a custom message?
Pop up at the Tavern?
And here we can clearly see MSVC complaining about being "out of heap space" seven times. http://i.stack.imgur.com/O8BBD.png
4
 
allergic to tavern
 
11:49 AM
template <typename T> struct product : std::integral_constant<int, 100> {};
Still out of heap space.
FFS.
 
What.
Just don't use that "compiler", silly.
 
Dims... is <3, 4, 2, 1>, i.e., a massive pack.
 
SRN
hi I have question, i have programming test and below the questions it says
"Please do not use package and namespace in your code" what does it mean?
its primarily c test but there are questions where you have to use classes for data structures
does that mean i cannot use std:: package?
 
Also:
Jun 25 at 9:34, by thecoshman
Welcome to world of lazy! Here is your tour guide; please read it, front and back
 
@SRN well if it's primaryily a test I suspect they expect you to write.. le gasp: C
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what the hell is that
 
@rubenvb To be honest, I don't want to see that question on SO.
 
user1804599
@SRN C doesn’t have namespaces and classes.
 
user1804599
Are you sure it’s not a C++ test?
 
11:55 AM
Oh, so it's alias templates.
 
SRN
its c and c++
 
user1804599
fail
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It'll be closed soon enough.
 
Yeah, way to waste everyone's time.
 
At least the Lounge is clear of nonsense a bit longer.
 
user1804599
11:55 AM
Well if you’re not allowed to use a namespace in your code, you can indeed not use std, since std is a namespace.
 
Maybe we should make a stackunderflow mockup site where robots answer bad programming questions.
It shouldn't be too hard to do.
 
@BartekBanachewicz an image
I don't understand why programmers get called "arrogant" all the time, usually for the sort of behaviour that is the equivalent of a seasoned construction worker laughing at 13-year old Johnny Bloggs randomly showing up at a building site, putting on his hard hat backwards, picking up a hammer and asking which wall he can help put up. — Lightness Races in Orbit 17 secs ago
 
Then hook a RNG up to the produced content and sell randomness!
 
11:57 AM
@rightfoLD wait std is a namespace? :'D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I meant a computer, not a robot. Sorry.
 
SRN
so i have to use char[array]s instead of std:string :wall:
kthxbye
 
std is a namesauce.
 
user1804599
@deW1 the standard says so.
 
so the namesauce says that std is a namespace which then says that it's a namespace?
 
11:59 AM
@deW1 wat?
 
nothing ;)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit for the same reason that people think "Oh I could drive in formula 1, it's just driving after all!"
 
> namesauce
 

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