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2:00 PM
@ThePhD so what
 
user1804599
D > C.
 
user3010322
Noo, C is the OS drive and D is the storage drive (that died from being storage / tmpfs / scratch)
 
user1804599
It has garbage collection!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well I guess that if your storage drive is dying, then your OS drive has to become your storage drive temporarily.
 
Lounge<C:/>
 
2:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus 17" laptops suck even at that
 
user3010322
I've actually just left all my storage stuff on D and I just let it bad sector / fail to load things occasionally.
 
user3010322
I moved only the most critical things to the C: drives, like the scratch-areas for VS and Photoshop and other programs I use more daily.
 
user3010322
But what music is not corrupted is still left on D, along with some anime I haven't watched (but might not be able to) and some school files.
 
user3010322
They both used to be way more full before I took an axe to the both of them.
 
> I moved only the most critical things to the C: drives, like the scratch-areas for VS and Photoshop
 
user3010322
2:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes All of my stuff has been backed up, so if anything else fails it's just a shoulder-shrug.
 
@ThePhD you keep music offline?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Some of us are not Google minions yet
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz Terrible internet connection at home has shown me that being musicless for many hours is not fun.
 
ITT Bartek with his always online daydream.
 
also this fits @thecoshman 's fear of SSD failing
 
2:03 PM
Hmmm Service Pack Backup files, keep those?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I was talking about spotify
 
@BartekBanachewicz You keep music in your butt-- the cloud?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Same difference
 
@Griwes I use spotify.
 
@TonyTheLion Only if you want to be able to remove the SP, which almost never happens
 
2:04 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae Right. Listening to music makes you a minion.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Depending on an online service
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Point being, if it's just a cache, don't need to back it up.
 
@BartekBanachewicz So, if some album or artist is not on spotify, you never listen to that music?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae But using Spotify does make me a minion, right.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No but "you keep music offline?" is a stupid question
 
2:05 PM
@Griwes very, very rarely something I want to listen to is not on spotify, but then it's typically very hard to find elsewhere anyway.
 
user1804599
Spotify doesn’t sync with iPod => useless.
 
@BartekBanachewicz LOL
 
user3010322
So, 3 TB backup is way empty which is great, but now I need to really get new HDDs/SSDs. The C: drive has also been showing tentative signs of failure (Suddenly hanging when trying to recycle files) but no major abnormalities just yet.
 
@Griwes FTR I use jamendo too sometimes.
 
(especially about the claim that "not on Spotify = not findable", wtf man)
 
2:06 PM
but yeah, 99.9% of the time content on spotify is simply enough and I don't bother looking elsewhere
 
Not this nonsense again
 
user3010322
Pre-cleanup C: drive was almost full, which is why I want a 500 GB replacement, even if it's a 500 GB SSD.
 
user3010322
I wonder how much a 1 TB SSD costs...
 
@CatPlusPlus This is another nonsense.
@ThePhD lol.
 
whatthefuckever
 
2:06 PM
I use Spotify at work because I tore down my streaming remote.
 
@Griwes I haven't said "not findable". I said "not easily findable"
 
user3010322
LMAO
 
user3010322
960 GB SSD -> 500 Dollars
 
user3010322
nope.png
 
can someone shoot him
 
2:07 PM
@ThePhD hm, the prices are really getting down
 
user3010322
They may be getting down but that's still like 2 mid-end graphics cards. <_>
 
inb4 Bartek's "that 960 GiB SSD landed me a job!"
 
@ThePhD And how many baguettes?!
 
@Griwes lol, you're such a butthurt
 
user3010322
@ParkYoung-Bae WITH butter, right?
 
2:08 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae :D. This mentality precisely.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lolwut?
 
@Griwes didn't I tell you already you're a boring fuck or something like that?
 
GiB
Nerd
 
CBA to look for it
 
did that really happen
 
2:09 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lol.
 
prolly not.
 
hey guys, my hard drive is really big!
 
fight
I'm betting money on the polish guy
 
I got a 120gb ssd and a 750gb hdd in my laptop
 
I love the hypocrisy anyway
 
2:10 PM
I use all but 34 gigs on the ssd and only about 5 gigs on the hdd
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Question no. 1: do you know how many Poles are here?
 
I think I use 760GB on my HDD.
 
> What do you use for music?
> Spotify
> What if something is not on spotify?
> Pretty much never happens FOR ME
> LOL YOU ARE DUMB
 
@Griwes Question no. 2: do you know who I am?
 
I installed everything I own on Steam.
 
2:11 PM
@Griwes :thejoke:
 
@CatPlusPlus Was just making sure it's intentional.
@ParkYoung-Bae No idea.
 
HERP CICADA SAID SOMETHING STUPID
 
he must be new here
 
template <int... Dims>
struct any_dynamic : meta::any<meta::Bool<Dims == dynamic>...> {}; //  error C3546: '...' : there are no parameter packs available to expand
Why do I keep trying.
 
Is the whole "I'll change my nick again and will expect everyone to know that immediately" thing going on again?
 
2:12 PM
When in doubt it's Cicada
 
I don't know, people usually catch up pretty fast (~5 mins tops)
 
but then again there are always people who take longer
 
Just stick to a single username, or at least to a single avatar, dammit.
 
you're not supposed to laugh at them you know
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Part of me thinkgs with a ::value... it would work.
 
2:13 PM
@ThePhD No, because that should not compile.
 
user3010322
Oh. Nevermind me then.~
 
BTW fun fact: Dell XPS 12 is actually more expensive than the Thinkpad, despite, on paper, being inferior in hardware
I wonder if the carbon-fiber lid is bumping the price so much
 
Here's a 119 lines macro, help.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae hahahaa nope.
 
user3010322
 
2:14 PM
I asked the guy "y u do dis?" he said "how else?". Have you heard of functions?
 
user3010322
These urls
 
user3010322
are the wierdest
 
@ThePhD I think 2x256 is still more cost effective nowadays
 
> wierdest
 
my friend was looking for a while for them
 
2:15 PM
germany is leaking
 
and got 2x256 in this double-read (was it called "stripping") RAID
he noted a peak of 940MB/s IIRC
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz My laptop doesn't have the capacity 2x256 platters, despite being a moderately big laptop.
 
@ThePhD ah, you still want to keep a HDD?
or does it just have one disk slot?
most 17" have 2 slots I think
some even have additional mSATA
 
Ugh RAID0
Don't use RAID0
 
why not?
 
user3010322
2:17 PM
One of them is not failing, one is. The plan is to throw the dead D:\ drive out, and replace it with an SSD. The current OS disk will become the new storage / offshore disk, and the SSD will become he central disk where OS, Visual Studio, Games, etc. sit.
 
Because one disk failing takes down the whole array
 
Ell
Double failure rate
or what cat said
 
what if that's not a concern?
if you can accept failure of the array for the gained speed, I see no problem in it
 
Ell
Nor me
 
user3010322
If I'm feeling entirely greedy,
 
2:18 PM
RAID 5/7 means another drive.
 
user3010322
I can get TWO SSDs
 
Yeah, who cares if it doesn't work as long as it's fast, right?
2
 
user3010322
and just throw both hard disks out.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it does work.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes that's the coding rule here btw
 
2:18 PM
you increase the probability of failure
 
that doesn't mean it will happen in any given period
 
You substantially increase the cost of failure
 
hm, not really? Why would that be?
 
user3010322
Where's Mystical when you need him to spit mad facts about SSDs and HDDs. :c
 
2:19 PM
You increase the portability of failure
 
well I suppose full resync could be an increased cost in some scenarios, alright.
 
what the hell are you talking about
the cost is the entire array going down. it's right there in all the messages we've been writing.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
yes, but I think you kind of acknowledge that possibility when choosing RAID 0
 
2:20 PM
ITT Bartek something probability.
 
If it's mostly static data you can use a big ass HDD as periodic backup
and still run RAID0
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think he means the cost of one hard drive going down is the same as the cost of 2 raid0 hard drives going down
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes FFS, reserve those for when I'm actually wrong, will ya.
 
but that doesn't take away that disk failure is expensive.
 
Ell
@rubenvb right, so the cost is the same?
 
user3010322
2:21 PM
X875-Q7380
 
@BartekBanachewicz I fully am behind you, with a probability of p = 0.997
 
@BartekBanachewicz "you increase the probability of failure" "that doesn't mean it will happen in any given period" might not be wrong, but it is.
 
@Ell No, more expensive, but you don't lose your data.
 
Be me. Watch Game of Thrones. Think that the title theme reminds you of Prison Break's. Time jump five days. Look up title theme on Spotify. "Composed by Ramin Djawadi". Sounds familiar. Look up Prison Break soundtrack. "Composed by Ramin Djawadi". Hah. #selfplagiarism #not4chan
 
but if it's a small probability it's still a small probability
 
2:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes elaborate.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ever listened to Howard Shore?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Also Pacific Rim :)
 
Lots of recurring themes there too.
 
Ell
@rubenvb You lose the same data in both cases?
 
2:22 PM
what is a typical failure rate for a hard drive?
 
Well point being if a drive fails and you don't have an array with redundancy you might be fucked up until it syncs with backup anyway
but, again, using full-speed array with redundancy requires 5/7 and at least three disks
 
@Ell if there's a HDD holding the data the failed SSD's lost, no, you don't.
 
who wrote this piece of crap
 
@AaronKyleKilleen 100% guarantee of eventual failure.
 
but the array will still be slowed down until you plug in the replacement and then for a while until it resyncs :v
 
Ell
2:23 PM
@rubenvb I think we are talking about different things. I'm saying 1 hdd vs 1 raid0 array
 
the more drives you use the less failure of one hurts you
 
If you don't have a good hardware RAID card then you probably won't even notice any improvement on 0 either way
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit okay so then how does it increase the probability of failure?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae starred for "self-referential message" lols
@AaronKyleKilleen It doesn't.
 
@Ell Oh, I was on about RAID0 vs RAID0 + backup HDD.
 
2:24 PM
@CatPlusPlus he does have a good RAID controller and he noticed pretty much 100% of two disks usage.
 
Ell
Ah I see :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit #LEL
 
so... OpenGL and C++ together, how do I?
 
In a synthetic benchmark probably?
 
I think having four disks in raid 7 would be aroyund the sweet spot
 
2:25 PM
@Crow #include <gl.hpp>
 
@BartekBanachewicz The second statement is misleading as fuck and rather pointless to state. It doesn't mean it won't happen either, but, the more important point is that it gets more likely to happen.
 
Ell
Agh why is google deprecating openid :'(
 
Because Google+
 
@CatPlusPlus big block transfers in general. But we were doing some heavy computations (which took around 35GB of RAM, mind you), and it did show there too when it had to swap.
 
Ell
@Crow oglplus
 
2:26 PM
@Crow you don't.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae that's seriously it? Do I have to do any weird installs?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz You use haskell and c++ together? :P
 
@Crow No I have no idea ask @BartekBana
 
@Ell You don't use C++ at all :P
JK
 
jk but not really
 
Ell
2:27 PM
oops. I mean to say "haskell and opengl"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, but look at the starred @Lightness post.
@Ell then yes.
Haskell's OpenGL bindings on Hackage are... not extremally terrible
 
Ell
I don't think not using c++ is an answer to any question asking how to use c++ with something :P
 
I know, right.
but then again you probably don't want to use OpenGL anyway either
 
Ell
Okay google are going to use OpenID 2.0 Connect
Which is OAuth2 + openid for authentication as far as I can tell o.O
 
so basically @Crow Closed as Unclear what you're asking: it's hard to tell what's being asked here
Actually could be off-topic too.
And opinion based while we're at it.
 
2:29 PM
I Sirs, haz done shoping. I now haz deh Kahlúa :)
 
I fear you're planning for Mudslides.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe.. :)
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz unclear questions are off-topic. :P
 
user1804599
Stack Overflow is for clear questions.
 
I disagree with your last point. It becomes way too performance-consuming as soon as what you store is a bit big (large class/struct), or when you need to copy the vector around. I always prefer pointers inside my vectors. — Ely 2 hours ago
 
2:33 PM
If there's one thing I'm glad my first year CS prof did, it's say that SO will destroy you if you don't follow its rules.
 
user2985029
do lions kill their prey before eating it, or do they eat it while it still lives?
 
@Alex Yes.
 
they kill it pretty quicklike
 
@chris that awkward moment when you discover that the people you're talking to are young enough to have learnt about SO during their undergraduate degree
 
@Alex The accurate question to ask is, are the prey alive before they are killed?
 
@Alex Ask @Tony
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nah, I learned sometime in high school
 
user3010322
Wait a second....
 
user3010322
I have a warranty on this.
 
This was only last term, though, so your point stands.
 
user3010322
2:35 PM
I can make someone else pay for new HDDs entirely. o.0
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Anything that's killed must previously have been alive (otherwise it can't be killed).
 
@JerryCoffin logical
 
The point is - if you write a helper function that would still return a reference or a pointer - you might need to do some processing on a nascent object before you insert in vector — Yogesh Devi 2 hours ago
Jesus, who upvoted this.
 
From what I've seen, Lions mostly choke their prey and then eat it
 
2:37 PM
@JerryCoffin Really?!§?§?§
 
but as LRiO has pointed out, some are more sadistic then others
 
ew, that baby giraffe one is horrible. you can see all the guts spill out when it tries to get up and run away :(
 
> Disclaimer - Haven't tried it by actually compiling ...
we noticed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're still surprised that SO is infested with stupidity?
 
@TonyTheLion I love the "One benefit is don't have to remember when to delete ..." part.
If you remember to delete in the end you don't have to remember when to delete.
 
2:39 PM
lol, the epic failures
 
@chris that's even worse!!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My early SO days were pretty bad. I hate remembering the cringeworthy questions I asked.
I think some of them might be deleted now.
 
Ell
uh oh
I started a screen recorder and now I've lost all my window decorations :3
 
0
Q: What is the difference between long x = 32L and long const x = 32 ?

user3805652I walk through a c++ book and i got a statement like this long x = 32L and given statement as l or L suffix on an integer means the integer is a type long constant . but when i check using compiler as long x = 32L ; cout<<x; x = 45 ; cout<<x ; than there is no error or warning so what constant...

i want to die
 
I remember the worst one without a doubt. I asked something, came back a while later, and then realized I managed to somehow leave out half of the post.
 
2:45 PM
what do you guys add to your oatmeal? I added butter and salt and the people near me thought it was strange.
 
wtf makes you think that any of us have ever eaten oatmeal in our entire lives?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Did you need some assistance or can you handle that task on your own?
 
@Puppy I think there is a high probability that most people in here have eaten oatmeal at some time in their life
 
salt added to oatmeal, that sounds awful
 
FWIW, you can do int &&x = 5; x = 6;, too. — chris 2 mins ago
lolwut
 
2:46 PM
what
 
well done C++
 
That's Puppy's, not mine.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Puppy thinks he can confidently speak for the entire world. Don't mind him.
 
Well, it's a non-const reference.
 
coliru down again?
 
2:47 PM
@TonyTheLion I didn't speak for anyone.
 
to be fair, Aaron was assuming American norms again #bigot
 
merely pointing out that oatmeal is an American thing and most of us are not, in fact, American.
 
I thought it was a European thing in general
 
well, you're completely and totally wrong.
 
2:49 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's not what bigot means, btw.
 
> you think that any of us
 
@TonyTheLion I never said that nobody here has eaten oatmeal.
 
means more then merely just you
 
I merely pointed out that he made a completely unwarranted assumption.
 
puppy is wiggling his words again
 
2:50 PM
oh yeah, you people in england call it porridge
 
Scots put guts in their oatmeal.
Haggis is a savoury pudding containing sheep's pluck (heart, liver and lungs); minced with onion, oatmeal, suet, spices, and salt, mixed with stock, and traditionally encased in the animal's stomach and simmered for approximately three hours. Most modern commercial haggis is prepared in a sausage casing rather than an actual stomach. As the 2001 English edition of the Larousse Gastronomique puts it, "Although its description is not immediately appealing, haggis has an excellent nutty texture and delicious savoury flavour". Haggis is a traditional Scottish dish, considered the nation...
 
yes, "us people" call it porridge
 
and in fact I'm pretty sure I remember seeing documentaries that said ancient europeans ate porridge
 
user1804599
HTTP headers y u case-insensitive.
 
so it is European
 
2:50 PM
I eat porridge
 
@TonyTheLion And "US people" don't!
 
I quite like it
 
yes, because we absolutely must carry on the traditions of our ancestors.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes good pun
 
let's all infect ourselves with smallpox!
it's so traditional
 
2:51 PM
what?
 
many of my ancestors died of horrible diseases such as smallpox and I just can't stand living differently to them.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen It's not.
 
because I'm a fucking moron who can't think two seconds in front of my face and make my own decisions without checking with my ancestors.
 
@chris what is?
 
> smallbox
 
2:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know. Running joke.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The penis.
 
Ell
I love haggis
 
porridge (Brit informal) 2: time spent in prison.
I guess its not this type of porridge ^^^:P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The "assignment to a literal" thing. At least that's where I first saw it.
 
@Puppy who are you talking to and where do you get such unreasonable conclusions. I wasn't saying we should eat oatmeal I was saying it's something they're familiar with
 
2:52 PM
Porridge: a dish consisting of oatmeal or another meal or cereal boiled in water or milk.
 
@chris I don't know what you mean. Puppy owns the language feature that allows it? Or what?
 
@AaronKyleKilleen It's something we're familiar with because some documentary once said that our ancestors ate it?
 
@TonyTheLion See? Not oatmeal.
 
I guess then I must be familiar with dying of smallpox.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen TBH, as a native South Korean I tend to hold Europeans in higher regard than Americans, no offense intended. They just seem less primitive to me.
 
2:53 PM
@Puppy oh shut up already
 
my ancestors would have died of smallpox regularly.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought the same, as I read your earlier message, that's why I looked it up
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I didn't discover it on my own. I learned it from Puppy's tutorial.
 
@chris What tutorial?
 
@TonyTheLion Porridge is oatmeal in the same way that haggis is oatmeal :P
 
2:54 PM
6 mins ago, by chris
http://codepuppy.co.uk/cpptuts/Beginning/references.php
 
user3010322
Pharises.
 
Not to be a killjoy, (and it's not specific to oatmeal, per se) but FWIW something resembling facts about consumption of oats: nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Agriculture/Grains/Oats/…
 
Haggix.
 
Ell
Yay my video encoding reached 102% and finished! :D
 
2:55 PM
the puppy has a website.
 
@Ell You inserted ad-breaks?
 
Ell
@MartinJames I don't know what happened xD
 
@milleniumbug he posted that after talking about it
just ... never mind
 
@puppy "The Ugly" C++ tutorials link to your hosting provider's website. Kinda scary.
 
user3010322
Ugh.
 
2:56 PM
I noticed that too
A while ago
Couldn't be bothered to report it
 
user3010322
My explorer.exe just got hung trying to read something from the D: drive
 
anyway, I thoroughly enjoy having three meals and a snack prepared for me each day, as I currently do
 
user3010322
I think I'm going to just turn off he disk entirely.
 
> default.php
lol
 
@rubenvb Yeah, I'd fix it, but that would entail finding a better hosting provider, and paying even a small amount for hosting would eat up a fair chunk of my quite limited income right now.
 
2:58 PM
@Puppy github?
Ooooor just have some "under construction" page?
 
meh
 
or just unlink the links and add "(under construction)"?
 
ISTR that I looked into hosting with bitbucket but couldn't make it work.
@rubenvb I have tutorials that go there, I just never got around to putting them up.
 

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