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6:00 PM
oh yes
 
please don't use SDL T_T
 
SDL 2.0 is actually good
 
It has a 2 and a 0
 
@BartekBanachewicz why not?
 
user3010322
SDL is fine.
 
6:00 PM
I know Valve used it and stuff but god
 
user3010322
... if you're looking to commit suicide.
 
sdl is crap don't use it
 
@BartekBanachewicz SDL 1.2 is old and generally terrible
SDL 2.0 is good
 
okay let's get to the beginning
 
so what would u suggest for a simple graphic lib?
 
6:00 PM
why do you want to use SDL
 
user1804599
lol
 
because you want to set up an OpenGL environment
 
@corpseRott define graphic and simple
 
because I know it : D
 
user1804599
6:01 PM
> I see this code new Integer(80). What’s wrong with the old integer 80?
 
@nightcracker then GLFW
 
@BartekBanachewicz SDL2 has more features than GLFW
 
as simple to use as SDL, with an abundance of tutorials and nice documentation
relatively portable
 
user3010322
Try SFML.
 
user3010322
Try Unity.
 
user3010322
6:01 PM
Try UE4.
 
user3010322
Try just using fucking openGL.
 
I dont want game lib's
 
@BartekBanachewicz to be precise, hardware cursors and window icons are missing from GLFW
 
user3010322
Why not?
 
@nightcracker yeah like their own fucking threads
 
6:02 PM
I provided patches for windows to GLFW, but they got shelved because the API wasn't decided on
 
Because I wont use it in my life :p
 
user3010322
hijack main SDL2.0 best feature.
 
@BartekBanachewicz GLFW used to ship with threads as well
 
@corpseRott SFML
 
@corpseRott You already decided to commit suicide?
 
6:02 PM
@ThePhD this can not be avoided
 
@nightcracker I started using it when they stopped shipping threads
 
@ThePhD because of how mac works
 
user3010322
@nightcracker Could just let the user instantiate an object that gets used by SDL.
 
user3010322
Rather than, you know. Hijack main.
 
I used to write a pacman in Qt2
 
6:03 PM
@ThePhD no you can't
 
that was fun
 
@corpseRott you know if you want to make a game then don't use low-level libs
 
@ThePhD mac is very restrictive from where you call OS functions
 
refer to previous Lounge Game Jams for reference
 
I just want my simple methods
 
6:03 PM
@corpseRott for what again
 
stuff like "PLACEIMAGEHERE(x,y,x2,y2,image)
 
user3010322
@nightcracker How does it figure where you are in the callstack?
 
@ThePhD it's the fucking OS
 
@corpseRott then you might well use Love2D and code in Lua, it doesn't get simpler than that, lemme
 
@ThePhD it knows everything about you
 
user3010322
6:04 PM
I see.
 
Are you talking about thread affinity?
 
@ThePhD hell, if it needs be it fucking moves your entire stack to a different virtual memory location
why? because it's the fucking OS
 
@corpseRott Then use javascript and canvas
 
@corpseRott from my own code (I like those examples best)
 
Wrong question
 
6:05 PM
sorry, but asking how the FUCKING OS would know where you are in the callstack is such a silly question xD
 
Why does it affect your code?
I know OSX is bad, but I doubt it's that bad.
 
well can always try SFML
 
@corpseRott you know not coding in C++ is a good step forward really
 
I am still not close to being proficient with C++, I can code, I could even work just fine as a junior programmer, but need to learn alot
 
user1804599
 
6:07 PM
So C++ is my choice here
I tried Java before, but its so horrible
HeyIamFunctionThatPlacesXOntheScreen(x);
 
NiceToMeetYou(y);
 
I have no idea how people can even code in that without a smart code placer solution
like the one visual studio uses
 
@corpseRott I frequently code in vi. ;-)
 
What's a 'code placer'?
 
in Java?
:P
 
6:09 PM
Though I do like Visual Studio.
 
@Chris vi sucks.
 
@corpseRott No, C++.
 
No one sane uses it.
 
vi is a terrible editor for horrible people
 
exacly,
you can't code in a text editor with java
 
6:09 PM
Use vim.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you saying I'm badass? Thanks for the compliment. ;-)
 
vim, however
 
:set nocompatible
 
:set nocatplusplus
 
@ChrisJester-Young no, he said you're insane. That was not a compliment by any means.
 
6:10 PM
@Chris no. Not at all.
 
:set compatible, a thing that nobody uses, ever
 
@BartekBanachewicz I was being facetious.
 
no but seriously don't use vi
unless it's that vi
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Use Emacs. :P
 
dat vi
 
6:12 PM
@CatPlusPlus I do use vim too. But unlike most of my vim-using workmates, I use vim vanilla as it comes with my distro. ;-)
 
@nightcracker dat jinx in the donut
@ChrisJester-Young that's lame
 
And on the occasions I use Emacs, I use it vanilla too.
 
maybe it's a particular community that uses it, but I only hear stories about this fabled "vi-emacs" war, but have never even seen a person that uses emacs =/
 
(Except to add Paredit.)
 
@nightcracker rightfold uses emacs for lisps
 
6:12 PM
Bartek, download the mingw32 version if coding under CB::?
SFML
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz I use Emacs for everything.
 
@corpseRott um... clone sources?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I use Emacs for Scheme coding too, which is where my comment about Paredit came from. But other than that, I still use it vanilla.
 
I build SFML myself usually, together with the project
 
user1804599
Sublime Text also has ParEdit.
 
user1804599
6:13 PM
It’s pretty nice.
 
user1804599
But no nice Emacs-like indentation AFAIK. You need to use = in normal mode.
 
@ChrisJester-Young do you use vanilla js too?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix No, I prefer sweet.js. ;-)
 
@corpseRott here
 
6:14 PM
I am coding under win so compiling libs is not that fun
 
@corpseRott wait what
 
user1804599
I like vanilla JS.
 
user1804599
And fuck jQuery.
 
I like vanilla tea.
 
@rightfold That's kind of what I said to my teacher in a "polite" way
 
6:15 PM
vanilla ES7 tho
 
user1804599
lol
 
please google make ES7 happen already
 
user1804599
We use CoffeeScript at work, though.
 
got it
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is that a special version with template metaprogramming? ;-)
 
6:15 PM
@corpseRott I don't see why compiling libs under windows should be harder than on linux
 
I'm kind of amazed that I made a 2d painting program in vanilla js and it's not terribly worse than if I did use some library
 
@ChrisJester-Young nah, with pattern matching.
 
dunno, i usually did that on linux, apt-get + make and done
windows freaks me out
 
@corpseRott time to move to aptitude or better emerge
 
theres probably some simple way
 
6:16 PM
@corpseRott Nothing you can't fix with Cygwin or MinGW. ;-)
 
@corpseRott if you're using a sane language that has a package manager it's easy enough on both of them
$ cabal install stuff
there.
 
@ChrisJester-Young except nodejs ahaha
 
il check that out later
thanks
 
user1804599
@ChrisJester-Young -1 not enough Gentoo.
 
I was checking out the guide on one of the tutorials with SMFL
"Wiedz jednak, że samodzielna kompilacja jakichkolwiek bibliotek ze źródeł rzadko kiedy idzie gładko i nawet doświadczeni programiści potrafią stracić do tego cierpliwość."
~.~
 
6:21 PM
@rightfold There's Gentoo for Windows? :-O
 
I don't understand why there is no standard container that 1. support fast writing on either end 2. uses contiguous memory
 
user1804599
Time to play SMB.
 
user1804599
@nightcracker because that is not possible to implement.
 
@rightfold yes it is, and I have
 
how is deque implemented?
 
6:22 PM
@nightcracker Prove it.
 
you need one extra pointer
 
user1804599
Well, it wouldn’t always be fast.
 
user1804599
You’d sometimes have to move the elements.
 
well so does vector
that's not an argument
 
user1804599
Also
 
user1804599
6:23 PM
std::vector has fast writing on either end.
 
no it does not have push_front
 
user1804599
++my_vector[0]; fast writing!
 
user1804599
@nightcracker doesn’t need that to write the front.
 
smartass
:P
 
@rightfold Lol.
@Nicolás Oh look, it's a Pov. :-P
 
6:23 PM
appending/prepending to either end then
 
user3010322
Finally.
 
user3010322
I hate bounds_iterator ._.
 
@ChrisJester-Young you have four pointers, begin_storage and end_storage for the current allocated block, begin_pointer for the front of the container, end_pointer for the end
if you run out of storage on either end you allocate a larger block and move elements with free space left over on the end you want more space on
 
user3010322
Fucking
 
I think Qt's QList does that, but I'm not sure
 
user3010322
6:25 PM
horrible initializer list fuckery MSVC is doing
 
user3010322
Jeuss fucking christ
 
it's a simple implementation and allows for a totally generic container that does not discriminate between front/end
 
user1804599
std::vector has fast prepending using insert.
 
user1804599
FAST ENOUGH.
 
no it does not
 
user1804599
6:26 PM
> 4 GHz
 
insert ALWAYS moves the elements
 
how is deque implemented?
 
a linked list of chunks of memory
don't ask me why
 
@nightcracker he's being a smartass
fast enough on today's fast computers, etc
 
@nightcracker That would be std::deque
 
6:27 PM
@Mysticial yes, I was answering nicolas's question
 
blah... misread.
 
oh it's not a linked list
 
IIRC deque is array of chunks, not linked lists
 
it's a vector of vectors, so to speak
 
although I find it easier to conceptualize with linked list of chunks
 
6:32 PM
hah, same time :D
 
close enough :)
It's all the same. :)
 
:)
:))
:)
 
hello folks
what about these unbalanced set of parenthesis
 
they're balanced
 
they look like a digraph in disguise
 
6:34 PM
you're just missing the context back from 2010
so go read back, trust me, they're balanced
 
"digraph in disguise"... hmm... I totally haven't seen that before... ahem...
 
@nightcracker Just like Fox News.
 
@Mysticial Isn't that an Elvis song?
 
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XeoI came across the following program, which compiles without errors or even warnings: int main(){ <:]{%>; // smile! } Live example. What does the program do, and what is that smiley-expression?

 
6:37 PM
Smiley with beard :D
Hell no
 
Hell yes
 
@Mysticial i can't imagine having to use digraphs
the code would be horrible
 
The procedure entry point _gxx_personality_v0 could not be located in the dynamic link library libstdc++-6.dll
the fcuk
 
@StackedCrooked then don't?
 
I honestly have no idea what went wrong, but I want my libs back!
 
6:40 PM
@StackedCrooked I assume you've seen the latest GT yet?! :)
(it's hard to hate Koko now)
 
yep, I've seen it
yeah, it was like a total comeback
 
but I can't foresee any happy ending
 
I'm curious about the ending
I predict either a happy or a hopeful ending
 
I am slightly confused because the intro and outro still feature him and Koko
and
 
6:41 PM
like showing signs of recovery
 
my best guess is that he'll end up with Lynda
 
really?
 
there is no recovery
I don't think he will get to keep "all" memories
it's either the old guy or the new guy
what did you mean by recovery?
 
this part of the show is really fantasy. I don't think this could happen irl.
@ScarletAmaranth good question
i mean recovery of his memories
 
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6:43 PM
yeah, I don't think you can recover from amnesia "by" forgetting the stuff you experienced after the point at which you "lost" your memory
I assume one would simply start remembering stuff
rather than "switching" back to the guy since before "the point of memory loss"
 
@ScarletAmaranth lol yeah
it makes for an interesting plot though
 
i'll be happy if he ends up being with either of the girls honestly
and will be sad if he just leaves everything and starts anew once again
 
ideally both? er, never mind
 
I really hope the ending won't be wishy washy.
Like not making a clear choice.
 
6:47 PM
argh
that will kill me
 
I haven't seen Kill la Kill yet.
 
me neither, been working on my thesis... but that's a good idea :P
I liked the ending of hataraku maou sama
"have you decided yet? yeah, hamburger" (or whatever the meal was)
as in, the question of returning was no longer even in question, rly cool :)
 
I almost forgot.
Yeah it was nice.
 
I like "definitive" endings... there are some valid points to be made that everyone can "guess" for themselves, but I am not that kind of person :P
 
user1804599
I’m going to make a game in Go.
 
6:52 PM
CLI?
 
user1804599
No, with Allegro.
 
there's API for Go?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
From the Google analytics of my anime-ratings plugin I can deduce some stats about anime popularity. here's a list of top visited anime-related wikipedia pages last month
 
6:53 PM
Golden time ranks pretty highly.
 
Noragami, havne't heard of
watched a few episodes of Strike the Blood, it's kinda alright
 
@rightfold Wow, GUI in a dead language.
(You can argue that it was never born to begin with)
 
user1804599
Actually.
 
user1804599
I could use Go’s image library.
 
user1804599
6:55 PM
I only need to find a way to display it on screen.
 
is Go that very dead :)?
 
user1804599
What?
 
I dunno, reacting to @EtiennedeMartel
 
It's mostly uninteresting
 
@ScarletAmaranth I hate that series, but for some reason I don't want to drop it.
 
6:56 PM
polymorphic constants are fun, @CatPlusPlus
 
@ScarletAmaranth It's like most Google projects: it's a solution looking for a problem.
 
They're hardly unique to Go
 
@StackedCrooked there was one very funny scene: "die!" "why are you dodging?" "if I wasn't dodging, I'd die" :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's worse, it's Plan9 nerds trying to make another C
 
And the only thing that keeps it from dying is early adopters jumping on it because they think that "new == good".
 
6:57 PM
Except it's neither here nor there
 
We're at a point where the only new languages we need are DSLs. Anything else can be done with incremental improvements to existing languages, and better tooling.
Especially better tooling.
Unless a new programming paradigm appears, I don't think we'll need a new iteration of "Like C but with <feature I really like in that flavor of the month language>".
 
we need to mainstream haskell :)
 

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