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11:00 AM
I was searching for a week, and the only thing that has addPoint is FLANN
... and is more than 3d
 
@BartoszKP yeah that's even rarer
 
hm
right, I was looking for either C# or C++
 
hmm, using R-Trees for this seems a bit outdated
 
hm I should try it out before I start thinking about my own solution I guess
@BartoszKP really?
 
11:02 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I'll try to find the publication I'm referring to
 
windows
for that implementation
most of the linux distro's had the sdl precompiled
alternatively you just had to apt-get
or sudo apt-get
 
user1804599
Eww apt-get.
 
user1804599
emerge newb
 
you know what ubuntu means in african?
to stupid to install debian
 
user1804599
Ben jij Afrikaans?
 
11:06 AM
Yes Debian is so much better
 
user1804599
Oh, Pools.
 
user1804599
CentOS best distro.
 
I like how your opinion of "best X" changes every week.
 
Debian best distro.
 
@corpseRott What kind of language is "African"?
 
11:08 AM
Ben jij
 
Difficult kind
 
You know what 'rolwek' means in European?
 
user1804599
@SuhosinPony % sudo emerge debian
 
Debian is shit
 
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@corpseRott ja
 
user1804599
11:09 AM
Nope.
 
he just said it :p
 
@BartekBanachewicz can't find it right now - what I remember is that for low-dimensional data kd-tree gives you complexity guarantees for insertion and search, and r-trees don't - only for insertion I think, and kd-trees complexity is better anyway
 
Also who uses apt-get? Is this 2005?
aptitude, baby!
 
user1804599
Install Gentoo.
 
Yes, I too want to wait 4 hours to upgrade Firefox or LibreOffice.
 
11:10 AM
@corpseRott Oh. The English name is just 'Afrikaans'.
 
user1804599
I installed Gentoo at work and my productivity went up 100%.
Probably because it doesn’t ship with Flash.
 
user1804599
@SuhosinPony Installing Chromium only took like half an hour.
 
@sehe lol
 
@rightfold On Debian it takes about 12 seconds :/
 
I dont know, he said it :p
 
user1804599
11:10 AM
Yes, but then you have a crappy bindist.
 
user1804599
On a crappy OS.
 
I heard the joke somewhere
 
@SuhosinPony Sometimes I wonder who's worse: the people funroll-loops.info makes fun of, or the people that say this sort of thing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes +1
 
11:13 AM
If your PC is too bad to function well with Debian binaries, it's far too bad to compile your OS on. Buy a new one.
 
@FredOverflow why?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But that's a 'crappy bindist' :(
Wouldn't want one of those!
 
bleh, I got a support call
 
bleh exacly lol
 
@BartoszKP orite. Will add to read list when I will evaluate the base project.
 
11:14 AM
I get roughly 30 a day..
 
I get 0. *yay*
Hate doing support.
 
Portage still smokes every other package manager in existence :(
 
Me too, but thats my work :(
 
It's sad in a way.
 
plz fix Cabal while we're at it
 
user1804599
11:15 AM
I can’t wait till my corpse rots.
 
it has 104 open issues for cabal install only
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz All package managers/build systems are shit till they are Rebar.
 
you fell out of love with npm and cabal then. and emerge
 
Rebar is not very good
 
@rightfold oh gawd :/
 
11:16 AM
@rightfold inb4 Politie korps Rotterdam
 
user1804599
@sehe npm is very much like Rebar but with a crappy central repository.
 
well cabal is great, but that relinking always is killing me
 
@sehe dat pun
 
user1804599
@sehe lol
 
You almost made me hate my nick
:[
 
user1804599
11:17 AM
My neighbour is called Nick.
 
Cabal is not very good either
 
uh the relink issue is closed apparently
 
It actually is sad.
 
maybe I could reopen or somethign
 
user1804599
WONTFIX
 
11:18 AM
nah, SOLVED
 
funny thing, the company i work in is actually pretty nice and cool, but the job is so horribly bad
 
11 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I like how your opinion of "best X" changes every week.
 
ha ha "week"
 
I find it particularly funny because he tends to gravitate towards the really good Xs for a while but eventually ends up in the just-hipster section.
 
it's the ultimate goal for perfection
not far from the thing that keeps him from finishing the projects
also resharper is so killing my poor PC
 
11:21 AM
Buy an SSD?
 
He gravitates towards good Xs and then goes back to OSX
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it has an SSD
but only 4GB of RAM :/
 
@BartekBanachewicz Buy more RAM
 
Tip: whenever I mention SSDs in a good light, you can assume I'm joking.
 
4 GB is not that bad
unless you do heavy virtualization
 
11:22 AM
4GB is terrible
 
what
4GB is unusable
 
>.>
 
I mean my mean free ram is around 100MB
 
I'll also look down on you if you don't value RAM above your mother.
 
11:23 AM
I never had problems, I have 8 GB at home workstation, 4 GB on laptop
 
my old company laptop has 2.76GB RAM and I don't need any more than that
kids these days
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 2.76? o_O
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes something like that :P
 
prolly 1 ram dice burned lol
 
@corpseRott I have 3.66GB taken right now and I haven't turned on VS yet
 
11:23 AM
"ohmehgerd i needz 16GB RaMz yeahhhh for mah codingzzz"
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK it says 2.87GB so probably 3GB
 
the hell, on my workstation VS jumps up in 3 seconds
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah well you fucking need more ram if your OSs starts swapping
 
and I am using 2013
 
"Oh god I can't turn on more than one tool at a time or my PC trashes the swap"
 
I have no idea how is it weird.
 
11:24 AM
I think I need an SSD for VS : - /
 
@BartekBanachewicz No you don't. Swap is there for a reason. Embrace it.
 
:lol:
 
lol what
 
Swap is not an extension of RAM
 
11:24 AM
okey I am done here.
 
user1804599
I never had problems with VS, really.
 
EMBRACE IT
 
user1804599
It never used lots of memory and it never ran slowly.
 
LET YOUR STACKS CRUMBLE BEFORE THE MIGHT OF THE SWAP
 
@rightfold it accesses my HDD way too much
 
11:25 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit do you have any idea on how many orders of magnitude is swap slower than RAM?
 
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz I am pretty sure he does
 
iow you're terrible at everything
 
11:25 AM
Do you have any idea how much it doesn't fucking matter?
You swap out the stuff running in the background that you're not currently using.
 
i am using all my ram
 
Sorry but if you need more than 4GB on active foreground applications then you're doing something very wrong
Probably the programs you write have horrible memory leaks
 
ram pam pam ram
 
no, that means I need more than 4GB on active applications
 
11:26 AM
Like running VMs to test shit. Or an IDE and a browser. Or...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit those are not the programs I write.
 
I never needed more than 4
 
@CatPlusPlus VMs I'll grant you - that's a good reason for lots of RAM.
 
Or maybe even cache for all the fucking files
 
unless virtualization is up
 
11:26 AM
@rightfold tbh, after seeing how nice it is for VS to start and load a solution in like, one second, I don't feel like installing it on anything but an SSD ever again
 
That's not how I 'use' RAM.
 
THats what i said earlier
If u dont do heavy virtualization
you dont need alot of ram
 
then you were right
 
I had 6 HyperV running in the background, each 768
 
I run an IDE and Firefox and that takes about 3.5GB
 
11:27 AM
so thats when u need some ++ ram
 
if u want your host not to die
 
3.5GB for an IDE and Firefox
the future's bright
 
lol when Chrome used to leak on me it'd take like 2GB of RAM itself
 
11:27 AM
that's IDE, browser and Outlook
 
user1804599
@AlexM. I have HDD (TOSHIBA MK5065GSXF) and it worked fine.
 
Then those applications are horrendous and desperately need rewriting.
 
I'm not even trying Chrome, because it's nigh unusable under 4GB
:lol:
 
You should use better programs.
 
You're so terrible it's adorable
 
user1804599
11:28 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Pff, they are separate processes? -1 not enough Emacs.
 
@CatPlusPlus Complete nonsense.
 
@rightfold yes it worked fine, it works fine on anything
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh right
like fucking what
 
SSDs are like luxury cars; you don't really need them to get the job done but once you have one you don't feel like downgrading
 
I don't know.
 
11:28 AM
Like the ones I use, that don't require 4GB to perform three super-basic tasks.
 
VS fails with OOM, even though I have 12 GB of RAM left.
 
So there's that.
 
yeah probably VC6 uses less ram for example
let's use it
 
I LIVE IN THE PAST AND YOU SHOULD TOO
 
11:29 AM
okey I'm out of this discussion
 
user1804599
Chrome uses ~480 MB.
 
user1804599
You just suck.
 
it does?
how
 
If you use VS you don't need more than 4GB because VS can't even make use of 4GB.
 
tabs
you are using lol
 
11:29 AM
@rightfold Yeah, per tab, usually
 
let's value RAM sticks more than developer productivity
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus accumulated.
 
:thumbsup:
 
user1804599
I.e. all tabs and background stuff.
 
Did I mention I get pissed off a lot when software refuses to use transistors I paid for?
 
user1804599
11:30 AM
@AlexM. ack on SSD is heaven.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're more productive using only one thing at a time! And waiting for things to swap back in!
And when you need to shutdown your PC, it should take 2 hours!
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm starting to think he learnt how to strawman from you
 
@CatPlusPlus that's what iOS devs said when it lacked multitasking, incidentally
 
This isn't a strawman, this is what fucking happens
 
user1804599
iOS never lacked multitasking.
You could always have music player in the background. :F
 
11:31 AM
lol
 
I've only got 4GB on my desktop, too, which runs Windows 7 and Chrome and Spotify and Thunderbird and mIRC and two media players and a backup service and a newsgroup indexer and a ton of other stuff, on an SSD, with no problems whatsoever. And barely any swapping. Certainly none that I'd notice.
@CatPlusPlus Well, no, it isn't.
 
One of my friends have a 32 Gigs ram laptop
hes running a server on it
lol
 
always make me laugh
 
11:31 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the fact it doesn't happen for you doesn't mean it doesn't happen for anyone else
 
user1804599
Speaking of 32GB RAM, I should still buy that computer.
 
Chrome routinely OOMd for me on 4GB
 
Kids these days have some strange notion of what you "need" and what happens if you don't have what you "need" and that what you "need" is 999999999999GB RAM with 500TB disk space
You are the sole reason for the greed of the hardware companies
 
I KNOW BETTER WHAT YOU NEED HURR DURR
 
They've sucked you in. Hook, line and sinker.
 
11:32 AM
please stop with "kids these days already"
 
Congratulations!
@BartekBanachewicz Then stop acting like "kids these days" already
 
sometimes you're right, but right now you're just embarrasing yourself
 
:allears:
 
@BartekBanachewicz It doesn't happen for anyone competent
 
...
no seriously just fuck off.
 
11:33 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't feel particularly embarrassed. I think you're wrong, once again.
 
NO TRUE ANYONE NEEDS MORE THAN 4GB
 
@CatPlusPlus If you're running a couple of VMs then it makes sense to have more
and probably some beast like Eclipse
 
WHO THE FUCK CARES IF YOU NEED MORE YOU NEED MORE
 
Also, if you're running Firefox, I'll let you off
 
user1804599
11:34 AM
I have 4GB RAM at home. Works fine.
 
Guise, can you STAHP RAMMING THIS DISCUSSION DOWN MY THROAT PLS
 
if 4GB is enough then it's enough if it's not then it's not
 
@Bartek Why are you shouting in an exasperated fashion? You made a claim, I contradicted it. Now you're getting in a hissy fit for... what reason?
 
at work I have a 32 bit win 7 with 2 GB ram
 
user1804599
I can run Chrome, Emacs, Z shell and an interpreter/compiler. Who needs more?
 
11:34 AM
I don't get WHAT IS SO FUCKING HARD
 
lol
#nerdrage much?
 
that's like minecraft discussion all over again
 
@BartekBanachewicz fucking is hard
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion the chance you get to fuck is greater when you have 4GB of RAM than when you have 32GB of RAM.
 
11:35 AM
slight difference in my opinion
 
That's probably true, statistically
 
bitches love ram
 
oh wait I have a great riposte
 
can't wait for this now
 
user1804599
11:35 AM
@DeadMG Does Daisy love RAM? Somebody said bitches love RAM.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You probably just don't work on a software of such enterprise scale, where the codebases are bigger. Maybe someday you'll experience that.
 
I love this room already.
 
user1804599
But this room doesn’t love you.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, it's not as if I'm the team lead for a carrier-grade synchronisation platform that handles tens of thousands of remote devices with millions of lines of code.
The trick, @Bartek, is not to open the entire codebase at once.
 
who cares what the reality is
 
11:36 AM
Oh now it's dick measurement time.
 
haha
Sure, never mind reality then.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Er, why are you dismissing his account of reality?
 
LOL
 
I think this concludes our half hour of fun!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah it was linked to "your PC works fine with 4GB ram even if it doesn't"
 
11:37 AM
Incoming strawman
 
user1804599
I never used git rebase.
 
I never used git, tbh
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit either that or "you're not competent if it doesn't"
 
user1804599
I have no idea what it is about.
 
all in all.
 
user1804599
11:38 AM
But it sounds cool.
 
LOL
this room is like bash.org back in the good times
 
Please, say more stuff that I didn't say!
 
@rightfold it basically works like your commits were made later than they really were
 
mIRC times
 
@corpseRott It's not quite that good, but...
 
11:39 AM
its the best it can get :p
 
If you want then do it!:) — Vlad from Moscow 17 hours ago
Dammit why is he so happy lately?
THIS WILL NOT DO
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Probably because Crimea joined Russia
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit haha, you're so being trolled.
 
@TonyTheLion Vlad from Sevastopol
@R.MartinhoFernandes It is possible
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
11:40 AM
Alright, now, which one of you is Vlad?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit there are tools that operate on full codebases. Like resharper (which admittely is killing my VS right now)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Those are worthy exceptions that you don't typically use all the time. With an SDD I'm fine with swap jumping in for those five minutes per month.
Indeed, swap exists for such tasks, that are performed rarely but need more RAM.
No point having 50GB sitting around that you use 2% of the time.
Still makes me laugh how they have photos of non-existent real-life "bitcoin" coins in these articles
 
@BartekBanachewicz resharper kills my VS too
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How the fuck does that happen.
Great levels of competence right there.
 
(i7+6gbram+ssd)
 
11:43 AM
ugh
unresolved __dtoul3
 
so sad
 
what the hell is that
 
unresolved __emotional_difficulties
work on that first <3
 
A currency exchange that has no idea if how much currency it has around.
 
user1804599
It is a symbol.
 
11:43 AM
lol
3
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the whole system is just a joke
 
If this isn't criminally negligent, I don't know what is.
 
When in doubt, assume scam
 
user1804599
lol
 
I don't think it counts as criminally negligent
 
11:44 AM
ah wait
 
It counts a stupid
 
Funbux, a reliable investement
Get yo butts
 
I always mix v110 and v120
 
Someone told me Dogecoin was taking off
 
11:46 AM
http://i.imgur.com/R8nVolt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0e7iac3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DRi9Wan.jpg
Fucking shit
CHAT IS VERY WELL CODED
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
lol Chandra.
 
that's basically like
tunneling network over facebook chat in africa
except you tunnel cash over fuck knows what
 
Uh what
 
nevermind me
 
11:50 AM
@BartekBanachewicz it's pretty simple. 120 is the newer one. :p
 
@jalf yeah but I always think that 2012 is v120
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, you mean the one that comes with compiler version 18? :D
 
Don't use internal version numbers
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Isn't this a typical fraud tactic? Recover some of the "lost" funds through a fortuitous happenstance to regain the trust of the defrauded?
It also seems to happen way too often with Bitcoin exchanges.
 
11:58 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Possibly. It's only a fraction of the debt that bankrupted them, but...
 
Buttcoins: never not funny
 
I suppose that goes hand-in-hand with it
 
fuck not having raw string literals
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I doubt it. It's not a significant enough fraction, MtGox are still going to go bust and never trade again so what does it matter whether or not they have anyone's trust?
 

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