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12:08 PM
Hullo
 
so yeah... who's been at the room name this time?
 
donno
I could change it
room topic changed to Lounge<XXX>: This room is X rated. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-doubt] [no-questions]
better?
 
it sounds pretty dirty with the [no-questions][no-doubt] tags
 
JBL
@FlorisVelleman Especially the [no-questions].
 
That was the intention.
 
12:17 PM
Lounge<XXX>: This room is X rated. [x++] [x++11] [x++-faq] [no-doubt] [no-questions]
 
room topic changed to Lounge<XXX>: This room is X rated. [no-questions] [x++] [x++11] [x++-faq]
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I think we would just attract a bunch of trolls instead of newbs
 
Xeo
ahaha
@TonyTheLion I'm in Berlin on September 1st! :D
apropos
@R.MartinhoFernandes Got time that weekend?
 
JBL
What's x++ ? We still don't have D++.
 
@Xeo Hmm, lemme check.
 
12:26 PM
X++ is an improved X. It's written by Xxxrne Xxxxxxtrup
 
@Xeo Hmmm, I can't really afford to travel right now
with my move and all
:(
 
Xeo
Yeah
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 'checks empty diary' :)
 
@TonyTheLion You're paying enough already to stay!
 
12:27 PM
@MartinJames Nah, I know I have some appointment sometime in September (the same I missed some weeks ago), but I can't recall the exact date.
 
Someone told me that to live comfortably in London you need to earn 45k a year. That's in GBP.
 
Xeo
I'm planning to stay in Berlin from the 28th to the 1st
 
I would love to come too, but I've developed an strong aversion to airports recently :)
 
Xeo
haha
Robot's story? :)
 
@TonyTheLion I couldn't live with my previous salary and that rent.
 
12:28 PM
@MartinJames carpool with tony?
 
lol
he lives quite far away from where I am or will be, IIRC
 
Xeo
Btw, why did you delete the rent amount message?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Drive to Berlin from UK? No thanks, I've got a strong aversion to that, too.
 
@Xeo Because personal info and shit?
 
@Xeo Cause I don't need the world to know how much rent I pay, or more exactly, Google to know.
 
Xeo
12:29 PM
mh
 
Google knows too much already
 
Xeo
I see
Meh, they'll likely know already anyways
 
yea, maybe, but its not on a public chat
 
Xeo
Obtw, does Lounge<Chat> have private messages planned?
 
12:30 PM
Donno actually
 
@Xeo s/private messages/something/
 
I would work on it, but I need to setup a github account.
 
@Xeo Oh, that's cool. Yes, I'll have time then.
 
I'm too lazy for that
 
Besides, I'm trying, (OK, not too successfully), to lose some weight b4 my hols on 10th Sept. Trips to Berlin are not conducive to weight loss, (except maybe wallet:).
 
12:32 PM
@TonyTheLion That doesn't bode well for the rest of it.
 
@MartinJames I got an idea! ... have you considered hike it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can imagine that you and Xeo in the same room will be conversations about templates.
 
it will save some $$ and you will be thinner
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 No, I haven't. I've heard stories about hiking recently - it involves injury, blood-loss and no night-porter service. I'll pass..
 
@TonyTheLion Hmm, last time there was me, him, and sbi and we talked about... I don't really remember. Er.
 
Xeo
12:34 PM
Eh, not really.
We didn't talk much about actual code stuff, IIRC
We talked about how Robot doesn't realize when he's drunk, that I remember.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lemme guess ... you talked about alcohol, haven't you?
 
@Xeo Oh trolling the Robot, that's a favorite for Ape.
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Xeo
12:36 PM
we also talked about books n music
 
@Xeo That's just strange. I open my eyes and, if I see blood-soaked mud, dirt, pebbles or tarmac right in front of my nose, I'm drunk.
 
Xeo
cooking stuff too I think
 
You didn't have a job back then, right?
 
Is there something (in boost or c++) like std::array which allows push_back? (Data is stored on the stack, length is a runtime variable, capacity at compile-time.)
 
Xeo
Ya
We last met sometime in ... was it December?
 
12:37 PM
I remember the days when Ape used to think you were a girl IRL.
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@StackedCrooked I wrote my own, so I suppose not.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked LLVM has SmallVec IIRC
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm glad it's not considered idiotic to need this :)
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion He never really thought that.
2 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
@Xeo Oh trolling the Robot, that's a favorite for Ape.
Trolling in general is a favorite for him.
 
12:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks.
 
@StackedCrooked Better names are welcome, btw.
 
@StackedCrooked std::deque?
 
@StackedCrooked Btw, that requires POD data. For non-POD data you need a bit more gymnastics (namely you need to work around the default constructor and destroy stuff and so on).
 
@StackedCrooked I thought there was, but I can't find it.
 
link or didn't happen!
 
12:40 PM
IIRC the one in LLVM has similar requirements.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes POD is fine.
 
@Xeo He was trolling then.
 
@StackedCrooked Well, it would be a bit abusive to put vectors in my iterators (i.e. copied all over the place) to hold one or two char32_ts.
What if using .Net is actually poisonous, but just takes 80 years to kill you?
 
@Xeo Maybe November.
 
12:44 PM
Takes off his clothes
Much better
 
What?
 
Hmm.
This is embarrassing, but I'm pretty sure it was November because... it fits the chronology of the times I got drunk :/
 
Xeo
So, I just embedded ALL the data, and our app has grown from ~70MB to ~430MB.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@Xeo woah
lots of data
 
Xeo
builds are also taking a fucking lot longer
While the "interpreted debug" builds, which are the quickest, usually took 8-10s, they now take.... long. Lemme come back to that when it's finished and I have the actual time.
Ah, close to 3 minutes.
And then there's the copying-over of all that data to the iPad :D
 
12:48 PM
If anyone answers this, even correctly, I'll proceed to downvoting them. — Luchian Grigore 12 secs ago
hehe
 
@Xeo Well, yes, that's about right for a debug build.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Someone answered it and...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Btw, why not inherit std::array?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes haha, kid has the entire code but won't compile it. It seems like it takes longer to write the SO post
 
This room is X rayed.
 
NSA
damn them
 
12:55 PM
Ah, that could cause unwanted overload candidates.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I voted to delete
 
Mutated overloads.
 
@StackedCrooked Publicly would expose undesired details (like the unused bits of the array and its functions). I'm not sure if privately would give much benefit, though.
 
I guess.
 
I, too, will never forget that @Xeo is a girl.
 
12:56 PM
@CatPlusPlus I'm too young on here to remember the sex-change.
 
Xeo
There never was any. No wait, that suggests wrong things.
 
hahaha
 
Can some of you suckers Mac users see if the code in that lousy question compiles as is?
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> please don't download if you don't know what C# is.
lol
 
fuck
I tried to slep at 4:30 but couldn't
had to wait until 5:30
 
SAM
@JerryCoffin Whoa! I see...
 
1:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh 'If you DO know what C# is, you probably won't bother downloading it anyway' :)
 
What's starworthy about my RFC (Request for Compilation)?
 
SAM
I am reading some past messages and it seems that people here hate the Clang compiler!
 
@MartinJames Can't imagine how painful it must be to write code on one of those devilish devices.
@SAM We tend to dislike everything related to C++.
 
SAM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You kidding.... I know that! :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah - I haven't got enough acreage on my 28" display for all the panes I want to keep open. Fuck phones/tablets for development.
 
1:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes suckers Mac
that's why I initially starred it. I was first I think. I argue with my labmates all the time that they waste money buying a mac.
 
Calling Mac users suckers is redundant.
 
@Chemistpp I have never found buying a Mac to be a waste of money.
..I've never been stupid enough to try it.
 
@Chemistpp Oh. Meh.
 
I've considered buying a mac
 
@Chemistpp I know that argument. But never try to argue about macs with a fanboy working in a 30 desk office full of fucking macs...
 
1:23 PM
@MartinJames haha. I just sit and think okay, for 1/3 the price, I can get a laptop that may not last as long but 3 years from now when both systems hardware is obsolete, I can just buy another 600 dollar laptop
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but I am also a windows and linux user
do I suck 3 times as much?
 
@ArneMertz hahaha, yeah, half my lab has them as well. They aren't tech savvy so everytime they have to do something like connect to the internet and they are having computer problems I just point out my windows laptop would have worked right
 
@TonyTheLion You seriously need to cut down on the alcohol. Misuses can indeed lead to liver damage, motor accidents and buying a Mac.
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@MartinJames we might need to organize a lounge<C++> intervention for Tony. We don't want to see him ruin his life, do wel?
 
1:27 PM
@Chemistpp Any 'intervention' between myself and other loungers is unlikely to result in a reduction of alcohol consumption, IME.
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@Chemistpp in the online marketing agency my brother works in, there's only ONE non-mac device - a Windows PC with VMs for different Linux environments for the poor guy who has to test all the stuff "on exotic paltforms"...
 
@ArneMertz inb4 chapter 11
 
@MartinJames sorry what?
 
@ArneMertz 'Bankruptcy protection' :)
 
@MartinJames Eh, I'm new here.
@ArneMertz yeah, one poor bastard for sure.
 
1:30 PM
mac is all around...
 
suckers are pretty abundant too.
 
@Chemistpp Yeah, right.
@MartinJames Ahem.
 
and yes. that once was a church where they're in. so basically the building changed one weird religion for another ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Err, yeah ;)
@ArneMertz Hmm. about half of the Macs are still working. That's pretty good.
 
@MartinJames Plenty of Macs where I work, but only because Apple is incredibly anal and we have to target iOS.
 
1:35 PM
Fuck Apple, literally?
 
Their products are great (if overpriced), but the company itself is standard issue business class bullshit.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, OK, Macs do have some uses. There's a particularly deep pothole outside Thorley's farm I would like filled in.
 
@ArneMertz Looks like a nice office
 
Our work Mac Mini is currently an uh that thingy that monitor stands on
> We are contacting you to remind you that according to our records you ONLY have 19 hours left on your non-recurring subscription to EVE Online.
How nice of you to list methods I can pay you with, CCP.
(I don't want to go away)
 
1:40 PM
@CatPlusPlus They obviously don't really want your money.
 
@TonyTheLion its an awesome office. pity they don't have any use for C++ devs. only web stuff... and I'm just not yet ready to write php/js/??? glue code
 
@ArneMertz yea
 
@TonyTheLion :D
 
@ArneMertz Try very hard to remain blocked.
 
@MartinJames Hey I'd like that office ;)
 
1:48 PM
@ArneMertz Sure, and the PHP/JS? Methinks not :)
 
@thecoshman heh. I knew you'd like that.
 
well I'd like their working hours as well... "whenever you see fit"... and their vacation plans: "as many as you want - as long as the job gets done"
 
struct foo { int x; }; // What's the storage duration of x? Be as pedantic as possible.
 
@ArneMertz OK, I'm totally for that!
 
@ArneMertz That can be terrible if there's a culture of overloading you with work.
 
1:49 PM
@TonyTheLion (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Y U HOLD OUT
 
@MartinJames nah. I prefer C++ in a dusty basement to php/js in a shiny palace...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure - it kinda depends on the local job market - if there is plenty work about, such practice just results in an empty office.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes of course. but they dont have that culture
 
@MartinJames Nah, they just hire some suckers/losers.
 
Anyway, enough of the Lounging, I gotta get some w***ing done.
 
user1804599
1:52 PM
wanking?
 
this is lounge<XXX> you only get f*cking done.
 
user1804599
lol @ "f*ck" instead of "fuck"
 
user1804599
Oh no I'm so offended if somebody doesn't leave out one letter!
 
1:53 PM
@not-rightfold he's new. give im a day or two ;)
 
he's not new, you are
 
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Q: Why is enum class preferred over plain enum?

OleksiyI heard a few people recommending to use enum class because of its type safety. But what does that really mean? I hate it when people say something is good or something is evil without explaining exactly why they say these things. I couldn't find a clear answer on StackOverflow, so I looked i...

 
26 mins ago, by Chemistpp
@MartinJames Eh, I'm new here.
 
user1804599
Why is std::vector<int> preferred over a string with comma-separated integers in base 10?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 but yes, I am
 
1:56 PM
@not-rightfold because everyone likes angle brackets
 
Xeo
@Feeds Erm
 
So I tell this guy that he needs to define his global variables outside functions.
I have tried to declare them as global in the header file such as extern int Denomination; and then its definition inside the function but it still not working. — Kaka Awira 37 mins ago
That's his reply.
 
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Used to dynamic scoping or stupid?
 
user1804599
@willj Can't say I ever have.
 
1:59 PM
@Fanael Erm, "Inside the function it doesn't work; put them outside the function"; "I tried inside the function and it doesn't work"? Clearly stupid.
 
good bye Lo*nge ;)
 
user784668
@willj Dunno why, but smells of Ira Baxter.
 
@Fanael hehe, I thought the same.
 
@Fanael semanticdesigns is his website.
 

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