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19:00
> A piece of brick, typically when used as a weapon.
used figuratively here
@BartekBanachewicz I know, I know, but I figure that if I keep banging on about it, maybe you'll start to see that perhaps you should change something in your behavior.
Also not every task needs to be a part of an epic.
@EtiennedeMartel do you honestly think my behavior hasn't changed since I got here?
@CatPlusPlus uh
Grouping is an UI thing.
19:02
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, it has a lot. But not enough.
@KonradRudolph Ah man. This is on meta. Again.
We'll flesh out the grouping details later. Now stories stories stories.
@EtiennedeMartel neither I am finished. But pointing that out in a way you're doing that is, as I said, not really helpful and makes me sad.
Irrelevant. It’s sad to see so many people swayed by genuinely embarrassingly bad arguments
@EtiennedeMartel i haven't seen any graphics the last few days o_o. is @BartekBanachewicz broken?
19:04
@BartekBanachewicz Alright, I apologize for that.
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz the irony is strong with this one
@Xeo no, it is not, but suit yourself.
@EtiennedeMartel friendship is magic.
@CatPlusPlus I am out of ideas. We should ask others here for more.
Add story > Autoban for ponies
@KonradRudolph Well, like I mentioned earlier I thought Gordon would be cool. He seemed to be on the chat part of the site really often so the fact that this happened is actually pretty ironic to me.
@CatPlusPlus Nope :F
19:07
@CatPlusPlus I wonder how expensive is the ticket to Poland.
I might come and shit on your doorstep.
@EtiennedeMartel a few k depends from where ofc
@EtiennedeMartel it would be cheaper to hire someone here to do it
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel about twenty bucks from the Netherlands.
I wonder if ignoring other users should be allowed.
@rightfold Subtle.
19:08
@rightfold Only twenty bucks?
user142019
So come to the Netherlands and we'll go to Poland to both shit on his doorstep.
@EtiennedeMartel expedia.com/… around 500 if you wan tto go tmrw
@StackedCrooked mhm
user142019
@StackedCrooked Did I say "not twenty bucks"? No, I didn't, so yes, twenty bucks.
@rightfold amazing
19:09
@rightfold lol'd
@EtiennedeMartel But what if he lives in an apartment and the janitor cleans it up before he even sees it?
You need to think through this shit man.
22 secs ago, by StackedCrooked
You need to think through this shit man.
this shit laff
@BartekBanachewicz Access control list
Access Control List
@rightfold Thanks for clarifying. It all makes sense now.
I think we have a decent overview of things.
except nobody added "ability to send messages"
@StackedCrooked Then we'll shit some more!
user142019
user142019
19:12
inb4 pedantry
@EtiennedeMartel If you keep shitting then eventually it will reach his awareness.
@StackedCrooked We're gonna have to eat a lot, and then drink a lot of coffee.
@rightfold Wow, that' incredibly cheap.
@StackedCrooked if they team up...
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel And if he still won't notice, we'll piss through his window.
19:13
@rightfold Or maybe even fling shit at his window.
The can gather people and say they are breaking a Guinness record.
user142019
Because if we merely shit on his doorstep, we'll only affect the pizza delivery guy.
That's gonna be a shitty pizza.
user142019
@StackedCrooked Net zo goedkoop als je moer.
user142019
@StackedCrooked dat pun.
19:15
@rightfold Wilt u een dikke lip, meneer?
user142019
@ScottW yoo
user142019
@StackedCrooked Ik verhandel alleen botox, ik gebruik het niet.
@ScottW when you help us build it
@CatPlusPlus I wonder if "History" shouldn't be an epic
user142019
If this shit gets frozen I can finally move on with my life.
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Feature suggestion: find a way to export this room's history.
19:16
you know, search by user, search by date, stuff like that
That way the transition'll be super smooth.
@EtiennedeMartel Scraping!
user142019
@ScottW I know, but not perma-fucking-nently.
@BartekBanachewicz Lucene is god at text indexing afaic
user142019
@EiyrioüvonKauyf I think you mean PostgreSQL.
19:17
@EiyrioüvonKauyf technology will be picked later
@rightfold pffft
except I can already say fuck Ruby, so yeah.
user142019
Fuck CouchDB with its lack of integrity guarantees.
@ScottW now are you proud or what?
user142019
@ScottW You and @TonyTheLion are the perfect couple.
@ScottW Not talking about programming is a bananable offense.
@CatPlusPlus I already admire you for being so focused.
Scraping is the way to go though.
It's not even that hard.
user142019
@EiyrioüvonKauyf YAGNI
COLIRU INTEGRATION
19:20
Lucene is in Java.
@BartekBanachewicz See, it's balanced. :P
@CatPlusPlus: Points
But it works really well.
Anyway, technology isn't important.
Me & @ScottW <3 <3
user142019
19:20
PostgreSQL
In fact, coding is probably the easy part.
user142019
PostgreSQL PostgreSQL PostgreSQL
Polishing is gonna be the bitch.
@MooingDuck Points what?
Ell
Ell
scraping is pimps
19:21
@EtiennedeMartel the more of you folks here help the faster it will be good.
Ell
Ell
that's pretty much the only code I write that works :3
Sometimes xD
@CatPlusPlus chat system needs points, to encourage "good" behaviors and discourage "bad" behaviors.
@BartekBanachewicz It takes 9 months to make a baby, no matter how many women are there.
I think stars cover that.
You can always add a story.
Ell
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel But we have a pole as project leader, there are poles for everyone!
19:22
@EtiennedeMartel You can do it in 6 months.
@EtiennedeMartel except we already have an SO chat which gives us a pretty good idea of how things should look like
Right, if what you're aiming for is "SO chat with moderation tools", then sure.
posted on July 31, 2013

An important part of teaching is figuring out how to avoid drowning students in detail.

Ell
Ell
have we got feeds? :3
@Ell not yet. Add that :)
19:23
@BartekBanachewicz can we also have a bot :3. and LaTeX support <3
It's not easy to divide a software project into different tasks that will be implemented by different people.
Ell
Ell
LaTeX or mathjax or something might be nice.
@StackedCrooked as long as these tasks don't conflict with each other, it's kinda ok
Splitting everything into minimal stories helps a lot.
@Ell mathjax is good
after we freeze (more or less) features, we can start talking about tech
19:25
also there's MathML .. but eww
Well, we won't freeze per se, but we have to figure out what we want as a baseline.
you people aren't trying to do another Lounge project, are you?
Xeo
Xeo
literally
@DeadMG yes
It will work dammit
19:28
Guys. Cat and me are working together without a trace of arguing. Does that mean nothing to you?
Yelling later, stories now.
Its a token
What's the project this time?
@BartekBanachewicz only temporarily
19:29
The chat.
one where we have ultimate control
Ell
Ell
Chat
one where we can ban people
The one chat to bind them all.
19:30
One chat to ban them all.
We'll ban everyone by default
I think we should steal SO CSS for first prototype
oh skins! customizable UI
We should start with simple UI
No CSS stealing.
and then when we have something functional, you can add stuff
19:31
Make chat a webservice. That way your UI will be customizable by default.
Ell
Ell
Themeability? :3
@StackedCrooked +1
Don't ask questions, just add stories.
@StackedCrooked yeah, it will spew out messages to some js renderer most prolly
19:31
We'll evaluate the viability on everything.
damn I've added over 70% of them I think
I redirect you to Stack Overflow.
You guys are getting really fast at binning.
I bet you puppy has a script
Magic fingers.
19:32
or he's lurking for binnable items
Repetition makes reputation.
Have we decided on technologies?
I vote PHP. :P
Ell
Ell
19:34
^
I'd like to look into XMPP.
@TonyTheLion no
XMPP is based on XML. OMFG XML DUDE CRAP YOU!
fuck it spam stories.
19:36
Python
Comment on the chore.
Ell
Ell
Wait, if we use xmpp, aren't we just writing the frontend?
It'd need extending.
Ell
Ell
Oh yeah of course
But it'd take out large chunk of work.
Ell
Ell
19:37
also +1 to python
fuck no comment editing
I say Scala could be nice too
I don't really want to learn a new language
For frontend I'd go with plain HTML5 with WebSockets.
@TonyTheLion using all these web thingies is hardly learning a language
19:38
And AngularJS or something.
@CatPlusPlus mhm
TypeScript would work.
We can combine both, no?
@CatPlusPlus also Meteor.js ....
@BartekBanachewicz if you say so
19:39
Or something else that compiles to JS.
CoffeeScript comes to mind
@BartekBanachewicz it sorta is :|
CoffeeScript is nice
@EiyrioüvonKauyf learning Django != learning Python
19:40
so I suspect learning Play != learning Scala
but learning a framework is non-trivial
pff, django is easy
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz it's as hard as imho
also we're totally experts on django.
Ell
Ell
People say oh web is easy :3. It's not :O
19:41
what about storage?
Even if we don't go with XMPP then web frameworks won't be very useful.
are transcripts going to be transient or permanent?
@CatPlusPlus django can render to json all right
It's more about the engine.
inb4 node.js.
19:42
inb4 MongoDB
TBH Web UI, if done properly, would be enough for me
So is Cat leading this?
desktop app could be like EKG, console-based with ncurses
19:43
C..cc..c.c... console?
we don't need desktop app
do we?
use vim
If we go with XMPP then we get a lot of clients for free.
Ell
Ell
^
create vim plugin for chat
except most of them suck
19:43
problem solved
Ell
Ell
I think a console client would be good :P
I still think that web UI is something we should focus on
web should come first
we can do desktop later
if it works on JSON, adding anything else will be trivial.
19:45
messages should be over https
@MartinJames MongoDB is overhyped. once the amount you're pushing starts to get out of ram it goes to shit
... marking up 'Agreed with Bartek day' on calendar.
so firewalls don't get in the way
lol
@EiyrioüvonKauyf I know - I briefly went into troll mode.
a wild Bartek
@MartinJames Etienne next and we'll be looking at world peace
Zach fixed the bug in Terra posted!
I am officially a Terra contributor <3
Shall open source the code?
Good
We should have like a crappy questions feed from SO so we can automagically downvote shit
19:48
@TonyTheLion I do have a habit of leaving the chat open on the other screen.
Is being a Christian 'wrong' just because you are living in Japan where the majority is Budhist? Just because it's the 'standard' doesn't mean something else is 'wrong' does it? If the OP's question was asking for the 'standard' then that's a different story. — Lochemage 3 mins ago
aaand deleted answer
it's either AJAX or WebSockets, no?
that's pretty hilarious
there's a big difference between "a standard" and "The Motherfucking Standard".
19:49
@Rapptz Yea bringing religion into it will help things tremendously. </sarcasm>
@DeadMG true
@TonyTheLion It's often helped with overpopulation problems.
@MartinJames :(
Finding a fucking flat is like finding a damn job
hundreds of applications in the hope you'll get something
uh I am seriously thinking about Node.JS
Never heard of Socket.IO
19:53
@TonyTheLion lol he undeleted it
@BartekBanachewicz I'm seriously thinking about London Pride. JS often has that effect on me.
hmmmm
interesting
because web frameworks serve web pages, not realtime content
oh right
someone has to be the final decision maker on things that we can't agree on
I think since Cat is leading, he should be that guy
Ell
Ell
Cat
19:55
Cat can veto things if it goes silly
Anyway, I'm off for beer. I'll be back when you've all reched a consensus, or next year, whichever comes first.
@MartinJames no need to hurry this really
Oh soddit - I can't find my lucky bingo pen :(
if it is to be a lounge project, we should really get as many ppl as possible
19:57
I thought you were off to drink beer?
@DeadMG It's bingo night at the club. I can't go without my lucky pen!
@Rapptz らぷずさま!
@ThePhD lol
I'm getting better at にほんご。
@ThePhD 日本語
19:59
I can't do Kanji just yet ;~;

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