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18:00
Everyone should just make stories.
We'll determine the importance later.
@CatPlusPlus With bananas, penises and ponies.
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz so what are you chatting on/brainstorming on?
@CatPlusPlus I am setting raw estimates
@Ell on the new chat?
Ell
Ell
where is the new chat?
:communication:
18:01
@Ell ugh no. I mean, uh @Cat add him to pivotal
I need his email.
Ell
Ell
My name is elliotpotts probably
Unless you already have an account.
Ell
Ell
18:02
I have an account
I think
I signed in with my email :3
We'll do estimation based on relative difficulty maybe, not raw hours.
I think one person should design the UI to start with and then show design for input, and go from there
@TonyTheLion just start adding ideas
We'll go with mocks first.
also that ^
18:06
But we need to have a functionality sketch.
You can type messages and send them
^ IMPAHTANT
we will group them later too
brainstorming has no structure inherently
Stories should be minimal and describe a concrete functionality.
Did you create an account for me already?
18:08
You have a pending invite.
I used the mail you sent me HipChat link from.
I got no email :(
inlining of pictures would be appreciated, but should happen in a way that does not disrupt chat (IE no taller than two lines of text).
Potentially pictures show up tiny, and when you select them, show up larger on the side or something.
Potentially some extensability for inlining other stuff like webpages.
Invitation has been resent
@MooingDuck Want an account?
@CatPlusPlus Im only able to "do things" when you lot are asleep, so not really
Doesn't really matter.
18:11
Also I'm not familiar with... any website or technology you've mentioned related to this so far
We're assuming extremely distributed work.
You can help just by doing user stories as an user.
user142019
@TonyTheLion For what?
What you'd like to see.
Though maybe I should get involved, just to learn this stuff
@CatPlusPlus mooing_psycho_duck at I HATE YOU BOTS yahoo dot com
Bots can read this format, you know.
Also, yahoo, tsk.
18:12
@rightfold our chat
user142019
@TonyTheLion olol
user142019
Coincidentally I was writing a chat server.
You should switch to GMail and forget about silly manual spam countermeasures.
^ . also recaptchas if you post it online
@EiyrioüvonKauyf what?
18:13
@CatPlusPlus I have that email with hotmail and gmail as well since nobody could remember yahoo.
user142019
My Gmail address is publicly visible and I haven't got a single spam message.
@rightfold I don't think if you should join our team because we might not finish it :F
jk :)
Try to make stories as minimal as possible.
Current topic and history of topics can be two stories!
I'll break'em up
user142019
I don't mind joining. I love writing servers.
18:15
And if we have "password protected rooms" then we should have "multiple rooms" too.
@rightfold there will be more teams than just server team
@CatPlusPlus I've heard using "stories" in this way, but do you have a link that explains more clearly what such a "story" looks like?
user142019
Where's the discussion?
@MooingDuck "ticket" "issue" "bug"
@MooingDuck Like what you wrote about inlining.
18:15
@rightfold Pivotal
@CatPlusPlus a two sentence feature request? (that's not super vague)
what are you guys trying to do?
story?
yeah writing a story
user142019
Also github.com/rightfold/postduif if anyone is interested. :v:
18:17
You have a nice socket there, yeah.
@MooingDuck not really. It starts with that and evolves with time
We'll talk about technology later.
@rightfold that project has been officially closed. :D
user142019
I don't have a socket.
yeah, technology should be picked according to the feature needs, not the opposite
we're not fucking low level savages.
18:18
Huh, I thought you had a socket. NEVERMIND THEN.
user142019
All I have is an Erlang process that you can subscribe to and send messages to and it broadcasts them to subscribers.
Haskell
<3
@rightfold looks a bit like my Contrlua
Hm. I wonder if epics should be metastories or pure milestones.
18:20
milestones. They work well psychologically
E.g. web/mobile interface is more of a story group than a story. Also user accounts.
Ell
Ell
Has anyone here used asio enough to explain a lifetime issue to me? :3
I haven't added user accounts yet.
gravatars?
18:21
already there
Oh, yeah, epics are metastories. Releases are milestones.
Stupid me.
@TonyTheLion how is "designing web interface" different from "web interface"?
do you mean CSS?
a "metastory"? sounds like you're on crack.
no, I mean designing it on paper
not actually creating one
so the looks.
18:24
Meta ticket. Whatever. A way to track a whole group of stories as part of one big feature.
Do we want inlining for SO questions?
Selection later. Raw ideas now.
@TonyTheLion falls under "Oneboxing"
you can comment on that
Oneboxing is both an epic and a baseline functionality, I'd say.
Make a story for each type of oneboxing.
@TonyTheLion I meant I've alredy created a story for that
18:25
Stories are later used to track coding progress.
hmmm how do I delete the entry I created?
Also help with testing, if they're granular.
More > Delete
Xeo
Xeo
Another Lounge-Project going on?
@Xeo yup. actually doable this time
We want to create a chat
should really be fairly doable
and not too hard
Xeo
Xeo
18:28
Oh, so even literally a "Lounge"-Project, eh
that's the point
@JerryCoffin Pssst. Do you have any experience with GDI+?
Ell
Ell
drawString()
@ThePhD Only a little, and not very recently either.
18:29
@JerryCoffin Ah, okay. Then I won't bother. Just thought you might have an idea. x3
Ell
Ell
I don't understand this code example: boost.org/doc/libs/1_54_0/doc/html/boost_asio/tutorial/… . In the docs of async_accept(socket& peer ...) it says the caller must ensure that the socket is valid until the handler is called, but in the code example in the tcp_server it looks like it just goes out of scope :S
@ThePhD is this with c++ or .net managed languages?
C++/
I've made epics for accounts and UIs.
Also AAAGH BMFONT IS WRITTEN IN C# I CAN'T TAKE POINTERS FROM THEIR SOURCE CODE. .-.
:cripes: is a task?
@ThePhD dat pun
user142019
18:30
{ok, <<Length:32/integer-unsigned-big>>} = gen_tcp:recv(Socket, 4) < why I love pattern matching.
@TonyTheLion I know, right. :D
@ThePhD I have a ready implementation of BMFont format loader. Feel free to steal it.
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not loading BMFont. I'm writing out to a texture using GDI+.
@TonyTheLion lol, everyone knows what it's about
I literally have the entire thing set up, except for measuring and placing the characters inside of a Gdiplus::Bitmap.
18:31
Every epic has a label attached, you can group stuff.
@BartekBanachewicz ohrly? I missed it apparently.
@ThePhD good luck with that
@TonyTheLion guess why Cat uses :v: and :getout: and all that
WELL I DON'T LOVE YOU EITHER. D:<
18:32
I LOVE YOU <3
Cause @ScottW loves me less :(
Can we make "auto ThePhd's excitement/emoticons level shutdowner" a feature?
Only possible tasks.
y u suppress my love for this chat? ;~;
one more and my screen is filled
@ThePhD this chat is history :v
18:34
I don't understand your sentence.
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz s/ a//?
Change the room title to Lounge<Not-Programming> :/
ugh really i can't think of anything, I will add "like on facebook"
@Xeo aye
@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean "is history" ?
Xeo
Xeo
18:35
Don't think so
Is chat being nuked?
Xeo
Xeo
I for one will still stick around here.
Well, don't expect this to be production-ready for a while.
Well direct connection with SO has pros and cons
I wanna handle Oneboxing!
Ooh, are we making a chat client?
Xeo
Xeo
18:36
room topic changed to Lounge<Renegades>: ROW ROW, FIGHT THE POWA [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
fuck yeah my screen is full
@BartekBanachewicz Cons: Help Vampires. Pros: .... ?
I say we categorize now
Xeo
Xeo
@ThePhD New users, old users.
can I just drag a story over an epic @Cat?
18:37
Yeah.
Epic and stories..? What are you all, in some kind of Repo task management thingy?
yeah I can. sweeeeet
@CatPlusPlus this tracker is good. have my +1
@ScottW that's what they want
Told you I like it.
@ThePhD yea
@CatPlusPlus What tracker? :c
Xeo
Xeo
18:38
@BartekBanachewicz Your chat needs +1s / stars
@ScottW oh baby. :)
@CatPlusPlus just tell me, should I all move all related stories to epics, or only chosen ones?
@Xeo and -1 / tomatoes
because I am not sure now
18:39
@ScottW <3
@Xeo already on the list
All that can be described as part of this big feature.
even if it can be kicked out?
Selection later.
@CatPlusPlus What's the SCM backend? Git? Mercurial?
18:39
so they act like categories really.
@ThePhD GH
If you say perforce I'll cry. ;~;
dafuq are you talking about perforce is great
Xeo
Xeo
Perforce triggers suck, btw :|
but its not free so it wont be that
Xeo
Xeo
18:40
I'm starting the post-commit trigger asynchronously in two ways, and it still hangs while the trigger is processed.
FFS. BMFont cheats and uses FreeType to do its work.
Ell
Ell
@ThePhD hardly cheating :P
Why don't you use freetype?
I don't rightly know. I probably should.
@Borgleader Any Version Control system where I have to manually check out a file before checking it in blows the biggest of dicks.
@ThePhD uh you are not using freetype? :/
@BartekBanachewicz I was trying to use GDI+.
18:42
@ThePhD Nope, im sorry thats a shitty reason
Xeo
Xeo
@ThePhD Meh, editor plugins etc
@ThePhD uh, I have no idea why
@Xeo :c And if there's no editor plugin for what you're working with?
Xeo
Xeo
Write one
You're a programmer FFS
18:44
Do all those things in the sidebar really need to be pinned?
@Xeo he's not
Xeo
Xeo
and Perforce provides a Python API: P4Python
@RobertHarvey not really, why?
Xeo
Xeo
@RobertHarvey Yes! (Dunno, ask the robot.)
emartel wrote a perforce plugin for Sublime Text 2 iirc
18:44
Well, I would think you'd want your "greetings" message at the top.
@BartekBanachewicz Hey! Yes I am.
Those other things don't seem to be pin-worthy to me.
Robot pinned everything
ask him
Who is Robot?
Xeo
Xeo
R.Martinho
18:45
Any objection to removing the pins?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh great pinning robot, why hast thou pinneth such things?
@R.MartinhoFernandes is the robot
@RobertHarvey R.Martinho Fernandes
I don't think "meta" is a good epic, they should still be concrete.
Just composed of smaller stories.
@ThePhD the fact you are interning at MS doesn't mean much to me
18:46
@RobertHarvey I took the "I encourage" things to be a vote.
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't even bring that up. ._.
@CatPlusPlus but tasks from there will be evaluated very linearly
@ThePhD then you have no other evidence. I haven't seen much of your code .
@BartekBanachewicz ?
Xeo
Xeo
18:46
@RobertHarvey Are many pins heavy on the chat servers or something? :P
They hurt.
@CatPlusPlus chatting will have everything done to be usable. Meta can be anywhere from 0 to 100%
lol
So you want to assign that to every task, I'm not sure what you're going with here.
18:48
@CatPlusPlus no, stuff like topics or conversations or starboards and whatnot
@ThePhD In my opinion you are.
Yay. <3
We'll determine the priorities later, and the non-essential tasks will be shifted further down the timeline or just removed.
@StackedCrooked a bad one? :)
@BartekBanachewicz Noo, a good one!
Xeo
Xeo
18:48
@BartekBanachewicz a one
@CatPlusPlus We shouldn't make so much imbalance imho
A good one.
@ThePhD I saw cowboy_cast. Pretty much that
and some C# plugin from Clang to VS that hardly worked
anyway I am busy.
It just doesn't seem very useful. vOv
I'm not sure what imbalance you're referring to.
@BartekBanachewicz You mean GCC to VS, which works... perfectly?
18:50
@ThePhD yeah, sure, your code is perfect.
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Y'know, whenever you start discussing something with @ThePhD, you seem to back away awefully fast.
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz Do you seriously think @ThePhD is a bad programmer? o.O
So basically: flag -> flag handled by mod -> regulars start trolling that mod -> mod doesn't realize it's trolls and closes room. It's just not smart to troll a moderator. Perhaps you'll get away with it if he's just visiting, but if he was just there to handle a flag, you might just get burned. — Jasper 33 mins ago
lol
@CatPlusPlus the fact that messaging is becoming too big
@Ell I don't think anything, because I haven't seen his code, except his crappy code parts he posts here.
... Hm.
Terrible indeed.
Xeo
Xeo
18:51
@TonyTheLion IRTA "(flag -> flag) handled by (mod -> regulars) start trolling that (mod -> mod) ... " :s
Too much Haskell
@Xeo My common sense is saving my sanity
What did I miss
Xeo
Xeo
I'd call that ignorant, prejudiced and stubborn, but hey.
@Xeo Hahaha
Xeo
Xeo
18:52
@Rapptz Modfun
You missed another storm in a glass of water.
It’s a pity my meta post is so far downvoted – I actually mean it seriously
@Xeo I was not prejudiced when he came here. However, for the whole time he was there he gave that impression to me. Simple as that.
@KonradRudolph Link?
@KonradRudolph You can't expect sanity on meta.
18:54
Neither can you expect sanitary.
@Rapptz those two words shouldn't even be in the same line. more like screaming + meta
@BartekBanachewicz It's just a sign of relative size. It's accurate, messaging is pretty big part of a chat system. :P
@CatPlusPlus heh :)
it looks like showing me middle finger now really :F
@Xeo Not that surprising.
18:56
in C++, 55 mins ago, by Mooing Duck
I'm in this room? I didn't know this room existed!
that was funny
@EtiennedeMartel ...
He does seem like someone who jumps to conclusion very quickly.
(Yes, the irony of that sentence is not lost on me)
He takes the Internet too seriously
Just laugh it all off and you're fine
who are you talking about
18:57
Every time I see cowboy_cast I laugh
or some other silly thing
@EtiennedeMartel you mean leaps to conclusions hehe
Oh ok I agree it's my fault WRT ThePhd
PhD is a dork sometimes, so what. I do that too.
however, generalizing all of my behaviour like, @Etienne, you like to do, is neither nice nor helpful
I derp at times, doesn't mean you have to get upset about my derping
@TonyTheLion but you know the boundaries
I was always under the impression that the PHP room didn't talk about programming. Yet it seems Gordon who is a regular there seems to have a warped perception of what the chat site is supposed to be about. Weird.
@Rapptz Worse is that the godaful non-explanation by Gordon got 48 upvotes and only four downvotes. What the actual fuck.
@BartekBanachewicz What can I say, I'm a penis.
@BartekBanachewicz I have been around quite long and I've been hit with a brickbat a few times.
18:59
@EtiennedeMartel you don't have to, really.
@EtiennedeMartel Your e-penis is growing
@TonyTheLion whatever brickbat is (I hope it's not Etienne's e-penis)
@BartekBanachewicz Besides, the other ones will grow once we add more detailed tasks.

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