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we will ignore the rest of the terrible grammar though :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes what is?
@R.MartinhoFernandes instant classic :P
 
Most of the time you don't need to attempt.
 
I can't pin down the (grammatical) difference between the two meanings of 'healing tattoo', if any. I guess I'd say that for one 'healing' is an adjective and for the other it acts as one.
 
Dammit, cannot find pronounciation for pilkunnussija.
@LucDanton I don't think there's a grammatical difference, only an ambiguous set of meanings for the adjective "healing".
 
9:06 AM
well... there is no grammatical difference between a adjective the describes the 'state' and the 'actions' (yes I conceded to it being an adjective either way)
well, more then concede, I understand why too :P
is learning anal rules about English part of your normal lessons of English?
 
Is there a concept to describe a pair of similar meanings, one being transitive and the other transitive? E.g. 'to heal', 'to soften'.
 
@LucDanton I think you accidentally a word and accidentally another word.
 
well, pseudonymous perhaps (probably not word I am trying to say)
 
@thecoshman Learned tons of grammar in French class.
 
Yaaay, std::__non_rtti_object exception at runtime!
 
9:08 AM
@thecoshman English grammar isn't much different from the other languages I know. Except for German.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well I could have used 'name' instead of 'concept' and 'verb meanings' instead of just 'meanings'.
 
@LucDanton No, I mean "one being transitive and the other transitive" doesn't make much sense, does it?
 
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes all I know about German grammar is that they are scared of white space, I can only conclude white ink is expensive in Germany.
 
make one intransitive
 
9:10 AM
@thecoshman We did touch upon it in the classes, but not very deeply since a large part of our native knowledge is transferrable.
Sobremesa (Spanish)

The time spent after lunch or dinner talking to the people you shared the meal with.
Interesting. "Sobremesa" is what we Portuguese call a dessert.
 
you best sit down for this one, I was in top set English classes through out school. I think this is why I suck so much, I was never taught the basic stuff, instead just made to flounder around in top set. I guess they figured, 'he is smart in every other subject, he must be good at English too'.
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you trying to make a funny, or do you actually have a pudding by that name?
 
What's a top set?
 
@thecoshman No, it's what we call "dessert" in general, not one particular kind of dessert. As in the translation of "dessert".
@LucDanton An inverted set-top?
 
@LucDanton the year is broken up into different classes, so you can be grouped based on skill level. Top being where the 'smartest' for that subject should go...
 
HAHA! found it [pilkːu nusːi.ɑˣ]
 
9:14 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, well, similar sort of concept then, you just eat during it
 
Problem: I have no idea what ɑˣ is.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's a star :P
 
Long k seems weird too.
 
I consider everything that is subscript, superscript, above or below more of a hint than anything else. I barely can decipher the more usual IPA anyway.
 
@thecoshman LOL - it's even more expensive than vowels in US.
 
9:16 AM
@MartinJames wht mn?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you ever find out what that is, I'm interested.
> In IPA, gemination can be represented either by doubling the consonant: fatto [ˈfatto], mezzo [ˈmɛddzo]; or with the length marker ‹ ː ›.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I got it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes perhaps more like a 'q' sound? well, the start of it anyway
 
balls
got the wrong timezone, the Google guy was on CET.
 
@DeadMG knees and toes
@DeadMG so... are you early or late?
 
@LucDanton Sometimes it matters (nasalisation being the most obvious thing I know)
 
9:21 AM
@thecoshman Late, by about 20 minutes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Indeed. Was making fun of my poor grasp of IPA.
 
@DeadMG ¬_¬ erm... and you are here why?
 
because I can be in multiple e-places simultaneously?>
 
I'm struggling to geminate /k/. All I do is a glottal stop.
 
@DeadMG oh yeah, remote working, I forget that :P
 
9:22 AM
it's a remote interview.
 
huh? I thought you had already started working for Google?
 
no.
 
instastar FTW
 
@LucDanton But you are right that sometimes it's irrelevant: I have seen "pin" transcribed as [pʰɪn] and [pɪn], and I honestly doubt even a native speaker would notice a difference. (ʰ means "aspirated"...)
 
9:24 AM
also, url is /javDE IRTA Javadev.
 
@DeadMG was?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes OTOH French Wikipedia sez gemination is denoted by a double consonant, and that the length symbol is used for... long consonants, whatever that is.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what does it mean by 'aspirated' in this context?
 
> To feel or see the difference between aspirated and unaspirated sounds, one can put a hand or a lit candle in front of one's mouth, and say pin [pʰɪn] and then bin [bɪn]. One should either feel a puff of air or see a flicker of the candle flame with pin that one does not get with bin. In most dialects of English, the initial consonant is aspirated in pin and unaspirated in bin.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I dunno, I like aspirating those initial consonants, since that's foreign to French phonology (I think?). Also, it matters for Khmer, e.g. Phnom Penh!
 
9:26 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes no is
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oooh, well in that case. Yes, I can here the difference when I say it, but probably wouldn't pick up on others saying it.
 
@LucDanton Yeah, hence "sometimes".
To be honest, I can't find that "x" diacritic anywhere.
And the source for that thing was not very trustworthy (reddit)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Could be overcorrection on my part. I think stereotypical French accents have obviously flat initial consonants.
 
how do you guys pronounce trie?
 
'tree', but with regret
 
9:32 AM
@bamboon seems more like it should be said 'try'
 
@LucDanton Wikipedia says that "Consonant length is distinctive in some languages, for instance (...) Finnish, (...)" so... yeah.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is it in any way similar to gemination though?
 
@LucDanton It's the same.
 
you guys know kerrek's email address or real name~?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cool.
 
9:35 AM
@bamboon tri
 
@bamboon according to wiki, the inventor calls it 'tree', and comes from re-trie-val, so I guess that makes most sense
@BartekBanachewicz is that a long or short 'i'?
 
@thecoshman yeah, I read that but wanted to know what the common guy usually says
 
@LucDanton Ooooh, "black coat ['blækːoʊt]".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You blaggard!
 
@bamboon 'prefix tree' sounds like a better name to use though, as it's very clear what you mean. Just saying 'tree' is not the clear, there are many tree structures. and 'tri' or 'try' are both just odd, not much better then an attempt to not say 'tree'
 
9:38 AM
@thecoshman short
 
Ah, and found the mysterious "x"!
We have that in Portuguese, except it doesn't render after the vowel, but atop [ɯ̽], so I did not recognise it.
 
@thecoshman yeah, that's probably the best way to do it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Was that 'it's a hint' quip somewhat accurate then?
 
@LucDanton I can tell the difference in Portuguese!
 
Heh
Time to spend more time with the interactive vowel chart.
 
9:43 AM
It should be something between ɑ and ɐ, I guess.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Btw, the chart is shaped like a trapeze. Does that mean that there's less front-back 'amplitude' for open/low vowels?
 
@LucDanton Btw, when I say I can tell the difference, I mean, I can notice it in speech. The two [ɯ̽] and [ɯ] are allophones in Portuguese. You just sound funny to the people that use the other one, you don't speak the wrong words.
 
Ya I got that.
 
@LucDanton Dunno.
 
bitches plz
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A: Query returning wrong result

Lightness Races in OrbitThis problem has been solved already! Straight out of the documentation for GROUP_CONCAT: To eliminate duplicate values, use the DISTINCT clause. There's even a handy example of its use. Please use the documentation.

 
Ah well. Roundedness too much of an obstacle to figure out /ɯ/ today.
 
@LucDanton It's not rounded.
 
Yeah, I thought I could come from /u/.
 
Btw, the Nuxálk language (spoken by 30 old people in Canada) has a word, xłp̓x̣ʷłtłpłłskʷc̓, pronounced [xɬpʼχʷɬtʰɬpʰɬːskʷʰt͡sʼ] (not a single vowel), which means 'he had had in his possession a bunchberry plant.'
 
10:12 AM
Ah, this is going to be a good day. I'm reviewing a patch from my boss which should eliminate our dependency on msvcr80 and msvcr71. :) We might end up depending on just one CRT version, instead of three
 
you depend on three simultaneous CRT versions?
owch!
 
@DeadMG Well, we depend on a bunch of libraries, some of which are linked against other CRT versions than the one we use
 
ah
that's gotta hurt
 
hi
i need some advice
 
10:26 AM
@techno Say nothing until you have taked to your lawyer. Refuse to give a DNA sample.
2
 
user142019
10:50 AM
@techno Stack Overflow. No excuses.
 
@Zoidberg What if it's off-topic on Stack Overflow? What then, huh?
 
user142019
Then he's out of luck.
 
user142019
Or he should try one of the other ten million Stack Exchange sites.
 
well, that went OK.
 
user1182183
Anyone alive?
 
10:55 AM
@GamErix Just over 7 billion people.
 
Xeo
Oh fucking hell, Perforce
I added a submit trigger that does nothing, and it still rejects any and all submits
The fucking script isn't even executed
 
user1182183
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :P
 
@Xeo This is why one shall use SVN.
 
Alive and pissed off, in some cases :)
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah right, we're going to switch over our entire codebase to SVN...
Also, wtf SVN
 
10:59 AM
The stone age called, they want their SCM back
 
SVN works perfectly.
No idea why people dislike it.
Except for the well-reasoned argument, "this is 2013".
 
user1182183
@LightnessRacesinOrbit because people use FTP, Shares, Cloud and all other shit
 
user1182183
Virtual Drives over networks (google drive) etc, and SVN is just terrible to get working. probly once you get used to it and know th how to's.. maybe then
 
Are you truly arguing against SCM in a room full of programmers?
Just STFU.
 
user1182183
I'm happy I don't have to go through all the programming trouble my whole life lol
 
11:03 AM
SCM is not programming trouble. It's the opposite.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes nah SVN sucks, there have to be way better alternatives
 
@GamErix No SCM is not an alternative to SVN.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes isn;t SVN in the family of "SCM"?
 
user1182183
Source Code Manager , manage revisions etc
 
user1182183
that is what SVN does?
 
11:06 AM
Yes, aka, not FTP, not Shares, not Cloud, not Virtual Drives over networks (not google drive) not etc.
 
user1182183
well I can't thinkg of a "SCM family" program (any SVN client?) which would be just what I would expect from such a program :P that's why I do my projects the old way, zip it up, put a version number on it. done :P ah well, one-man only projects don't really need SVN.
 
user1182183
I can understand that for teams
 
That is sooo wrong, I don't even know where to begin.
 
user142019
SCM is a general concept.
 
Xeo
So after every change, you zip your whole codebase up?
 
user1182183
11:08 AM
@Xeo yep
 
user142019
Git and Mercurial are also SCMs.
 
Xeo
And so is Perforce - much to my dismay.
 
@GamErix there's no better way to source control then to actually use SVN or git. Zip files go wrong eventually, I know, I've done it with a fairly large project and it becomes an unmanagable hell
 
user142019
SourceSafe!
 
@Xeo Would you rather just zip it up?
 
Xeo
11:09 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd rather we used git or hg :<
 
user142019
@GamErix use a version control system.
 
user1182183
@TonyTheLion Well if I would be working on a large project I wouldn't use zip either. I'm behaving like an idiot but I'm not lol.
 
user142019
You are, because you don't use a VCS.
 
@GamErix stop behaving like an idiot.
 
Project size is irrelevant.
 
Xeo
11:10 AM
Seriously, Perforce is fucking me over.
 
If it needs two zips, you are doing it wrong already.
 
@Xeo trust me, Perforce is way better than MKS ;)
 
Xeo
Even my boss is a bit worried because I've spent a good amount of time on it and now even an empty trigger script rejects any and all submits
And I have no fucking clue why
It even worked before ;_;
 
I have version control - Excel sheets and a lot of zip files with version numbers. Yes, I am a GamErix clone :(
 
user1182183
Well I wouldn't have anything against if someone linked me to a good article about version control and how to set it up on localhost with VS2012.
 
11:11 AM
I'm glad we're using git. Well, I'm using git. My co-workers keep using USBs from time to time ._.
 
Xeo
hg init, done
 
@MartinJames The sad thing is that I know that unlike you, he isn't joking :(
 
Xeo
@GamErix hginit.com
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes true, no joke
 
lolwut
You put your zips up on Google Code?
 
user142019
11:12 AM
@GamErix Git and Hg don't even need a host! Epic win!
 
OMG, the irony is strong with this one.
 
@GamErix not about VS2012, but about version control: ericsink.com/vcbe
 
What does VS2012 matter?
Don't tell me you have "zip integration" with VS2012....
 
user142019
lol
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes no couldn't find it.
 
11:14 AM
Couldn't find what?
 
user142019
Use Git or Hg and shut up about ZIPs.
 
rofl
@Zeta zip integration ;)
 
Xeo
Wow, just wow. The wiki part is in SVN
 
Crisis averted. I managed to not burst out laughing like a maniac in the office.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah that was a tough one ;)
 
11:15 AM
@ArneMertz Well, I'll be damned if I ever integrate zip-based VCS plugin into any software
 
@Zeta no not zip-based VCS - zip-plugin. zip is his vcs ;)
Tools -> Version Control -> "Zip sources and upload to Google Code"
With shell integration. "Tortoise ZupLoad" :D
 
Xeo
Zip me up, Scotty!
 
@GamErix Btw, when you say "the old way", it's really old, since we are talking about technology invented in the seventies.
 
Xeo
Okay, this is seriously frustrating.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah I'm reading this now and I'm on a good path to the present future.
 
user1182183
11:26 AM
Make some changes
See if they work
If they do, commit them
If they don’t, revert them
GOTO 1
 
user1182183
Yes. that's the spirit :D
 
"login2win". Seems valid.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes will bookmark that one
 
user142019
11:30 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes plink
 
Oh, what a splendid site, these tutorials provide well-written up-to-date information, such as the marvelous auto_ptr. How thrilling.
 
user1182183
> Whenever you remove (or add) a file, you have to tell Mercurial:
 
user1182183
-.-'
 
Oh right, lemme guess, in your zips, you zip binaries, pdbs, ipchs, and all kinds of crap.
 
user142019
@GamErix that's a good thing.
 
user142019
11:33 AM
Maybe you don't want to commit all files.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes no I don't zip that stuff
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes download ANY random zip from my projects page and you won't see it
 
So you have to tell zip what files to add. Interesting.
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, I keep those files separate from my projects
 
@GamErix: Every temporary file ever?
 
user142019
11:35 AM
Use .hgignore for binaries and tell Hg to commit all changes in all files every time problem solved. Git has a shortcut for that, I'm sure Hg has it too.
 
Can you control where IntelliSense drops its stuff?
 
user1182183
@Zeta yeah changed it to %TEMP%
 
user1182183
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't know what I fucked up but it drops all stuff in %TEMP%
 
user142019
Please actually use Hg before complaining about it.
 
user1182183
my builds are done in "../BUILD/"
 
user1182183
11:36 AM
and the source files are ofcourse in ./SRC/
 
@Zoidberg hg commit will commit all changes to added files IIRC so no need for additional parameters as with git commit -a.
 
user142019
Oh okay. :P
 
user1182183
but g2g be back when I get home xD
 
user142019
I have used Hg once or twice or something.
 
user142019
Because I had to clone Ogonek. :P
 
11:39 AM
@Zoidberg We use it for .odx synchronization. Yes, it's bad, but what they did before was even worse.
 
user142019
I use Git.
 
So do I, at least at my other workplace and for my private projects.
I'm a moron and should visit the chat more often. I thought that this site was actually an application and searched my browser window on all desktops.
 
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Q: Which MinGW version for 64 bit Windows is better?

CAD_codingI am having a headache in dealing with the plethora of MinGW 64 bit versions of compilers. There's the Automated version, TDM-GCC version & the rubenvb version that I know of which are popular. According to the people in this thread rubenvb is good & TDM has some bugs. I would like to hea...

> PS: Please don't close this question as it is a good one & will find many Google Searches.
hmm.....
 
Xeo
Bloody hell, I can't even uninstall this stupid server for whatever reason. "Errror:"
FUCK THIS SHIT
 
user142019
Deal with it.
 
Xeo
11:49 AM
Can't deal with something broken.
 
user142019
You can deal with the fact that it's broken.
 
user142019
By not using it.
 
Xeo
Right. I can just decide not to deal with my work.
 
I do that all the time
because FUCK WORK
 
user142019
Reboot and run virus scan! Always works! :D
 
11:53 AM
hiya.
you know, it's weird.
I actually enjoy C classes, because the more I learn about C, the more arguments I have against it, which can be now properly backed
I also enjoy Java classes, because they help me understand the essence of C++
 
I say bake them instead.
 
Know thy enemy I guess.
@R.MartinhoFernandes genius.
lol, "Berlin to Warsaw in one tank" is on 9gag again.
 
user142019
9FAG
 

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