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11:00 PM
@sbi Yes.
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@thecoshman It's a funny thing to say, but a silly thing to take serious.
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit C#
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@Cicada 0xc3 is opcode for return instruction.
@Zoidberg Yikes! I thought you were saying earlier that it's a nice language?
user142019
It allocates executable memory and fills it with a return instruction. \o/
11:01 PM
@Zoidberg oh yes. :(
@Zoidberg and what happens next
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it is
user142019
@Cicada then it executes that.
I like how C# appears to contain an unsafe keyword.
@Zoidberg I know but then??
user142019
It casts it to a delegate, basically.
I can read code thanks
11:02 PM
@sbi my initial remake or the most recently proceeding?
user142019
@Cicada well, 0xc3 is return instruction.
I wonder what happens after the return? Runtime crash?
user142019
So the called function returns, perhaps?
user142019
@Cicada no it just works.
I don't know. Managed code isn't that simple.
Maybe it works.
11:02 PM
"no it just works"
that sucks
user142019
lol
i expected something to blow up
"What happens next?" "It works"
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@thecoshman For humans, their "initial remark" is commonly something like "whooaa!"
11:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes anti-SO question
Dynamite blows up, yet it works.
user142019
Let's see what happens when I insert a couple of nops.
Why the fuck is the snippet named evil.cs then
user142019
Coooooooooool.
"haha look that's an evil return"
"ohohoh i'm so evil"
11:03 PM
@StackedCrooked good point well made
also fuck you chat
doesn't let me post messages fast
@sbi shall I flip the table now or simply ignore you?
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@Cicada He's a boy playing with matches. Where's the fun in this if it wasn't for the feeling you're doing something evil?
@thecoshman Flip the table and post pictures.
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@thecoshman Ignore the table and flip me.
Darn
What just happened?
11:05 PM
I will, cheers
what where your motives there?
has some decree outlawed all images?
he didn't want to be reminded of my beauty. because it hurts.
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@Cicada Then I have a way to vent your frustration about this: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/132483/…
11:06 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "i'm so sexy it hu-urts"
@sbi yeah I read that a long time ago :(
@Cicada you make it read like a a heart attack attempts to end the sentence early
meta really is a bunch of jerks
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@sehe Why did you do this? It was such a lovely pic! I hadn't known the priate was so, um, mature already.
@thecoshman it's actually a song (rather famous i think)
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@Cicada I know you're young, but that comment is from yesterday! Are you an ephemerid?
11:08 PM
@sbi Sorry again. Rest assured, I made it available for your perusal here
@sbi turned out I do get stressed
@sbi I was talking about the question. I'm reading the answer right now :)
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@thecoshman We lurve you anyway!
@thecoshman We. Had. Never. Guessed.
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@sehe Though not a room owner anymore, I am still capable of reading a message's history.
11:09 PM
I do not get stressed, I just get angry and or fed up
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I am not annoying, I am just employing unwanted humor.
@StackedCrooked prodigy win
I've always listened to the album version.
Only recently I found the original mix on Youtube which has the actual "We're going full throttle" line.
It sounds better with that line.
11:13 PM
Hm.
So it turns out when you save the state,
it saves the MAC Address along with the state.
So I have to turn off hte VM, restore the state, turn on the VM, turn off the VM, and then turn on the VM after changing the MAC Address, and then register for dropbox.
Dude, my head.
Tomorrow: ThePhD complains he got banned from DropBox.
how can you suck so badly at just paying for shit
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@StackedCrooked The top-most recommended video for that is labeled "15yr old HAS S3X WITH OVER 800 PEOPLE!" And that's just the intellectual level that fits this stuff.
11:16 PM
@sbi lol
I always thought it was fucking dumb how everybody just stands around the RALLY track
not that now's a useful time for "I told you so", especially since I probably actually didn't tell anyone.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I never really understood either
@sbi I worry what you watch... because all the recommended vids for me are other music vids
user142019
Time to try I/O.
@thecoshman wish I could star that
11:17 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why can't you?
@sbi Youtube uses a personalized recommendation system.
@thecoshman I exhausted the supply of fissionable material in my stellar nursery
@LightnessRacesinOrbit use up some energy then
@StackedCrooked haha
(it's true)
@StackedCrooked Somebody typed them - as well
11:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes If I get banned, I'll just do it again. :3c
why don't you get your own server
And if the ban me, I'll just automate the process.
@Cicada And spend Money? What are you, crazy?
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@thecoshman What I watch on youtube? Oh, it's mostly stuff like this and that, as nightime stories for the kids.
@ThePhD Guessed age < 18
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@StackedCrooked I bet that relies on planting cookies, which I deny it.
11:20 PM
@sehe It's of historical importance.
The new youtube suggestions are terrible
@Cicada Of course not. I'm just poor as shit. :D
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh there have been so many earlier instances of "I told you so" in racing and similar events
Also, SUCCESSDESU.
Authentication successfully duped. 16 GB, you are miiine!
@StackedCrooked I got the poison!
11:20 PM
@Cicada The new youtube suggestions are is terrible. FTFY
@ThePhD calling the cops now
@sbi good lord! opened the link for the Pingu vid, trailer was for a rather epic looking horror film. Exactly the last thing I think you want a wee one to see at bed time
@LightnessRacesinOrbit =[
Why u so meen? :c
@ThePhD +1 for desu :P
11:21 PM
@sbi I read "nightmare stories for the kids" at first
@Insilico that also
@ThePhD you didn't tell me what your project was
Also... Night time stories on YOUTUBE?!
(Not that old youtube as any better either)
I'm beginning to love procedural generation
@Cicada Getting 16Gb of pink noise
11:22 PM
@Cicada I'm writing up something pretty for you. It's even going to have pictures.
@ThePhD Please be it SFW
@Insilico if the new one is worse, the one had to have been better. Simple logic really
Albeit horrible, terrible programmer pictures, but pictures
@Cicada That's 1960-1975, right?
@ThePhD ew ew ew
11:22 PM
@thecoshman less worse != better.
@thecoshman I didn't say that the new one is worse. I said that it is terrible.
@thecoshman What? D:
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@thecoshman Oh yeah, that's a funny one. (I just posted the first link YT found me.) The kids liked this one, especially the end, where he drops his head into his bowl.
@sehe Are you calling her "old"?
@R.MartinhoFernandes type mismatch?
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11:23 PM
@sehe Of course, you'd do that.
@sehe What do you mean?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Huh. No. She loves a generation. That doesn't make her old
I'm talking texture / terrain procedural generation. It's "relatively" new.
I think it's awesome
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@Cicada Are you at work?!
@Cicada hehe - I thought it would be something else :)
11:24 PM
@sbi I knew someone would say that. No I'm not!
@sbi didn't actually watch it, just saw the thumb nail and thought the two were comically mismatched
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@Cicada Ah, so you were fishing for this.
fuck me I've been in this lounge all day and night
@Cicada hardly
Lonely Saturday evenings are perfect for things like procedural generation.
11:24 PM
@StackedCrooked more star :(
man
what the fuck is wrong with Nicol Bolas
@DeadMG what now?
@DeadMG ?
"Aaaarggh, we shouldn't do this because we're not meant to!!"
moron
@DeadMG Context please?
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11:25 PM
@thecoshman I have no idea what thumbnail you're talking about.
@thecoshman RELATIVELY YOU MORON
@Cicada well sure, if we compare it to say the existence of man
@sbi the thumb nail for pingu...
pfft
I agree with his post 100%
@DeadMG You repeatedly remind me of this character. I've kept myself from mentioning this multiple times. But you keep saying 'man' :D
11:26 PM
and I don't think that you can sum it up in any way as "Aaaarggh, we shouldn't do this because we're not meant to!!"
But your reaction is quite mature
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@thecoshman Um. I am using NoScript and FlashBlock. Maybe that's why I don't see any thumbnails on the page.
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@sbi ah, it does explain, you would not have seen any adds. The thumb nail for the videos is on top of the trailer
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, he doesn't present any other arguments except that and the name of the class, which can be trivially fixed by anyone who really gives a shit.
11:28 PM
@DeadMG the member -> is a good argument.
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@thecoshman Oh yeah, I use AdBlock, too. :)
there are intentions for things, and it's not the intention that is important. it's that all the rest of the design will have been created with that intention in mind.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, it isn't. The vector copy constructor I mentioned is a perfect example of how it doesn't make sense.
@DeadMG well I didn't read that
@DeadMG but now I know I don't have to because I will disagree with it :D
Ah.
The feeling of more than I can handle.
11:29 PM
well, you could also argue "Why does std::vector offer a copy constructor, if you're not meant to store non-copyable items in it?".
Glorious.
@StackedCrooked rofl
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Anyway, I'm off to bed now. I'll have the wee ones tugging at my sheets tomorrow morning.
@sbi Good night!
obviously (!) we should prevent all move-only types from being present in a std::vector.
11:30 PM
@sbi Pretend your the sheet monster and WAARGGH chase them to the kitchen!
@AndreiTita If @DeadMG decided to plonk me I'd deem it justified.
@DeadMG Wait, what?
@sbi Also niiight.
any hoops, night ladies and gentlemen
11:31 PM
@StackedCrooked I have no idea who that guy is, where he's from, or what he's saying, so it's hard to gauge what it is you're saying.
@DeadMG That makes no sense as a counter-argument. I think you got one of the the clauses backwards, maybe
@thecoshman night
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@ThePhD For that I have to (1) be awake and (2) get out of bed. On a Sunday morning at 7:20! You are the monster.
You monster.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He's arguing "The class offers a member X which requires Y on it's template argument, therefore we should never, ever, use this class with anything that doesn't meet Y".
11:32 PM
;~;
I just thought it'd be fun. ;~;
@DeadMG No I got that
@DeadMG I was even ready to accept your counter-argument
@DeadMG Reread your statement. It looks wrong.
@DeadMG I just think you formulated it with a typo or something
@sbi Btw, have you seen the newest by these guys youtube.com/…?
11:32 PM
now that you mention it
I might have to cut that "not".
if you're not meant to store non-copyable items in it, then all the items are copyable, so wtf is wrong with a copy ctor?
yeah
anyway, I guess we all get the point
user142019
Yay segfault.
suppose I should eat
11:34 PM
@Cicada Quick question. What... kind of games are you into?
Beat 'em ups? Puzzlers?
Adventure?
Rogue-likes?
I like rythm games.
(Rouge? sp? )
@Cicada StepMania, osu!, etc?
Yeah
Roguelikes are the awesomest.
StepMania, osu!, Audition, Cytus, etc.
I like A-RPGs too.
11:35 PM
Sounds pretty sweet. Have you done any beat / timing / audio work before? :O
And sandbox games.
... What's an A-RPG?
I've heard the term J-RPG...
I've done real time timing on embedded linux if that counts @_@
@ThePhD action rpg
Action RPG (zelda for example)
11:35 PM
OOOOH
ACTION RPGs
I don't know what games fall into that category.
Zelda. Tales of Vesperia/x
But I am imgining things like Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Vindictus, GW2
GW2 is close to A RPG
Oooh. I always filed those under 'Adventure' in my head.
@ThePhD Diablo and Torchlight.
11:36 PM
Diablo isn't ARPG
That's Hack & Slash
@Cicada Last I checked, Diablo defined ARPG.
Isn't it a point-click adventure/Hack-slash ?
Well I mean, they're all pretty similar, just different execution styles.
I doubt it "defined" ARPG really.
Hm. The game idea I was thinking of giving you - while fun and new - probably wouldn't be up your alley...
THAT'S OKAY. I got a whole bucket of good ideas.
@Cicada Puppy's right.
11:38 PM
Yeah it's an ARPG indeed. Didn't "define" the genre though :)
@Cicada I think it's the one that got the most acclaim, really.
@ThePhD Ever heard of Zelda? @_@
@ThePhD I already have a game idea.
@ThePhD Give away anyway
@Cicada Yeah, they made OoT and then fell down the shitter for fifteen years.
11:39 PM
Just keep one important thing in mind
We are developers, not artists
Don't make a game that requires a lot of artistic work
=> failure
That's why my games are going to be ultra tech-based.
@ThePhD Implementation > Idea
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And made out of 2D.
@DeadMG usrs. OoT is not the first Zelda
@DeadMG Isn't it a 3D RTS? >_>
I can't do one of those. I just can't. ;~;
11:40 PM
RTS are nice too
@ThePhD I'm curious as to what you consider good. I can barely come up with ideas I actually find interesting nowadays.
They are, but 3D is wargaghaghaghagha.
But we totally have windowing done
Problem is that modern RTS are not strategy based anymore
@CatPlusPlus Windowing and Mesh creation!
11:40 PM
@Cicada Oh yeah. First, they made a bunch of nothing, then OoT, then more nothing.
The winner is the one with the most APM and that's it
I should really commit to my Kyrostat branch...
@DeadMG :insert facepalm icon here:
@ThePhD You total pussy.
The strategy is before the game, when you're theorycrafting optimal click paths :v
11:41 PM
@DeadMG Dude, what makes 2D look good is only worth a smoking pille of poop in 3D.
(Turn-based strategies own)
@CatPlusPlus They're too slow
@ThePhD It doesn't need to look good.
But then, non-turn-based are too fast
meh
It needs to have the right artistic feel to it after you're done making the game, and that's damn hard in 3D.
Plus, the math in 3D is way harder and much more intense.
11:42 PM
I'm actually working on a fast tbs.
3D is a total no-go unless you don't rely on art for the game (eg minecraft)
@Cicada Which would be a fine approach.
I'm beginning to like SFML more.
SFML is nice
@Rapptz Yay.
11:43 PM
@ThePhD I didn't have a problem with it :P
@Rapptz RUB IT IN OUR FACES WHY DON'T YOU ;~;
@ThePhD 3D math is actually simple!
heh, this indian takeaway
@ThePhD I can make my own sprite classes now@@@ it's lovely.
Probably the most difficult thing to understand is "why the fuck this 4th coordinate"
11:43 PM
do I want "chicken", "vegetable" or "meat"?
@Cicada 3D Math is a nightmare compared to 2D math.
Other than that it's really easy
lol dude
Homogenous coordinates came easy to me. It's every else that's buttfucking me. ;~;
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well if they don't count chicken as meat then I wouldn't take that
11:43 PM
3D math is just an extension of 2D math
@ThePhD Then what
a short extension, if anything
@Rapptz It's a looong-asssss extension.
@ThePhD What's the problem?
assuming we're talking about matrices and vertices
and linear algebra
11:44 PM
@Rapptz Eh, it has a few fucks that don't come in 2D, like Quaternions and spatial handedness.
Especially when you try to make real-time physics happen with forces and torques and ohhh myy goddd.
@CatPlusPlus sometimes Chicken is classed as poultry as distinct from meat, which is fine
@ThePhD Don't need any of that shit.
@CatPlusPlus but I wonder what "meat" is
Platforming in 3D is hard. ._.
11:44 PM
torques are hard?
@DeadMG Spatial handedness exists in 2D too. Even in 1D actually
@ThePhD Or that shit.
Everyone knows chicken is vegetable.
Anyway food time.
Real time physics is easy!
11:45 PM
Pizza is vegetable
The basic pattern is really simple
@Cicada ... What kind of monster are you. o_o
@Cicada Well, I suppose that technically, it does, but in reality everybody basically uses the same 2D handedness.
well, except those GUI things, where it's top-left being 0,0 instead of bottom left...
@ThePhD A real time one.
@DeadMG :)
user142019
11:45 PM
Yay I wrote a int f() {return 42;} in machine code.
Congrats
> Catholics (at least 14 years old) in the United States are obliged to abstain from the eating of meat on Ash Wednesday and on all Fridays during the season of Lent.
> Catholics (from 18 to 60 years old) are also obliged to fast on Ash Wednesday and on Good Friday.
"obliged". fucktards.
user142019
This is so fun.
But fish is totally not meat guys
@Zoidberg You're weird
@CatPlusPlus Don't discourage him; he found something he likes.
11:47 PM
@ThePhD It's super simple! What do you not understand?
@Zoidberg You know you can get LLVM to do that shit for you, right? :P
@ThePhD He'll find something new tomorrow
Do you understand basic physics, like, describing a motion as a function of time?
user142019
@DeadMG yeah but I couldn't get it to work oh well.
I know I do :v
11:47 PM
@Cicada Okay, let me rephrase: the basic physics is easy. I can make things fly, apply gravity, make spring forces, even write complex buoyancies.
how did you fail?
user142019
Must have built with --shared or something. Meh.
it's the seriously simples.
What killed me was collision resolution.
11:48 PM
1. Plug physics engine
2. Have physics
@ThePhD What's wrong with them
@ThePhD I simply didn't resolve collisions.
in my space game, the units push away from each other, an inverted gravity.
Figuring out what contacted where, with who, why, if it's the right one, BUT WAIT there's TWO collisions so WHICH ONE INFLUENCES FIRST, oh wait you did it that way WELL NOW YOU'RE FLYING THROUGH THIS WALL
11:48 PM
so they don't tend to collide.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit
@Cicada Of course. The more time has passed the more motion has happened!
also I don't have walls.
that's why space is a fucking great setting for RTS games.
11:49 PM
@CatPlusPlus hahaha nice try.
there's fuck all there
@DeadMG You can't make a space opera in a vacuum.
Is RTS still a popular genre?
@StackedCrooked You deserve a medal
11:49 PM
@StackedCrooked Not really.
@Cicada I know.
@StackedCrooked No. Starcraft II is a total failure.
SC2 is nice for developing RSI
@Cicada It's going down pretty quickly, actually.
losing massively to LoL right now
Starcraft II is the only "recent" RTS I know.
11:50 PM
@StackedCrooked No. SC2 has a monopoly on it and no-one can come up with anything even remotely as interesting atm, so it's stagnating.
@DeadMG I haven't checked back since this summer :v
Old RTSes own anyway
basically only Blizzard seem to know how to produce a remotely compelling RTS experience.
@StackedCrooked And... it's the only recent one.
everybody else failed at it
11:50 PM
@StackedCrooked It's also the only good one.
TotalA, AoE2
(I mean recently)
RTS used to be really popular.
@CatPlusPlus No.
AoM was good
AoM is still good
11:50 PM
RTS may be too intense for today's pussy gamers.
AoM WAS AMAZING
@ThePhD The problem is the Internet.
Prooostagggmaaaa
@AndreiTita No what
it's a lot harder to find flaws in RTS alone.
11:51 PM
I don't even knwo what he was saying
but it sounded badass.
SC is the only RTS that really did embrace the whole "multiplayer" aspect.
@CatPlusPlus They suck.
@AndreiTita Ahaha no
@StackedCrooked RTS are not RTS anymore as I said earlier. It's about who clicks faster.
11:51 PM
I don't have a college degree because of Age of Empires II.
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@Cicada No.
@AndreiTita Yes.
I have no regrets :P
W3 and SC2 are all about APM.
W3 a bit less
But still
I loved it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Think of it as "Who put the horse in lasagna"?
11:53 PM
@Cicada That's only on ladder.
@DeadMG Ladder's the only fun part of the game
@sehe Horse walks into a bar. Barman says, "Sorry, we don't serve food in here."
@Cicada Custom maps are way better than ladder.
Some mods are fun yes
11:54 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
@ScottW I didn't really like it either.
@ScottW Me neither.
I only ever bought any Blizzard RTS to play the custom maps.
user142019
Shit I have a memory leak.
and I'm going to buy HoTS for the same thing.
@ThePhD You know what I'd love to do? Bomberman-like for Android. Multiplayer ofc.
11:55 PM
five minutes. get ready to say funny things
But Java ;_;
@Cicada We could do it inside NDK.
@ScottW Only a month till HoTS and that has Global Play
I hear NDK is terrible
@ThePhD Ahahahahahahahahah
11:55 PM
As for me Starcraft and AoEII are the best ones. And both were release befored 2000 !
Oh.
No you couldn't
Android dev is awful. NDK is as hostile as it comes, btw. Java is probably easier.
You'll kill yourself first
Um....
... Okay. x3
11:56 PM
I wish Android supported C#
But you have to pay
There's nothing interesting about mobile dev, and only restrictions and pain
PC master race
monies
Mobile hysteria.
11:57 PM
I'm comfortable with C#.
And C++.
Getting through mobile market is probably even harder than getting through PC market
And Desktop and Console dev.
Mobile dev is... .... kinda whack.
It's extremely saturated, because everyone is making Angry Birds clones
@ScottW Are you referring to sales data?
@CatPlusPlus Is it?
I haven't seen a single bomberman for android D:
11:58 PM
About how many mobile games have you heard
Two?
Maybe five
Angry Birds, Angry Birds in Space, Angry Birds Star Wars, ... what else?
fuckdiddles
how do I combine some hashes :(
Ever since gaming became a big business all games began to suck.
boost::hash_combine?
11:59 PM
I have Cytus and Osu on my phone
That's all
huh

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