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11:00
'non-responsive for a few minutes' !!
Yeah, that's pretty bad.
990x (6 core @ 3.48GHz) + X58 chipset + SSD + 24GB ram = ridiculously fast boot
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Good question. I'm wondering myself too now. But seriously: I just bought this state-of-the-art no-fan i7 powerhouse and thought: well let's be daft and BUY an OEM license to windows for a change !
I only buy OEM.
It would be silly to buy a full version.
The thing is, it wasn't pre-installed, because I didn't buy a harddisk. I had recently bought a samsung SSD, and it's this that I installed in the new PC (after clearing to an empty MSDOS partition table)
11:02
water cooling ftw too. silent and you might as well uninstall thermal monitoring software
@doug65536 It's passively cooled :)
the only way to overheat an I7 is with a blowtorch. the throttling mechanism is flawless
We got a 'TV server' box with a tuner card to, (unsurprisingly:), watch TV on. When we got it, I relaced the 500GB spinner system disk with a cheap 64GB SSD. The difference in 'useability' was huge!
^ roughly those specs minus the extras I didn't urgently need (budget after all)
11:04
@sehe very very nice!
@doug65536 So it's the mobo, case, PSU, CPU, memory and BD, but not the extras (SSD, HDD Silencer). Oh and I did include the silent nVidia card.
yeah, my overkill as hell system has GTX 580 SLI. not quiet :(
120GB not enough for development if you have VM.
well, the video cards arent bad but if you push them with opencl or something, they're loud
@doug65536 I completely got away from 'server' boards after my dual-processort K6 amd board (~2000 A.D.)
Ell
Ell
11:07
web scraping with ajax is a bitch >.<
@sehe that machine has insane cpu. make -j will rip through anything
@Ell Don't do that then. Web scraping is kinda lame in many respects
I once had an OEM installed as a secondary OS. Later I decided that I didn't want to reboot when I wanted to use Windows so I installed on a VM on my primary OS. Windows activation failed, but activation by phone succeeded.
Ell
Ell
I'm automating the download of all of my past papers :P
@StackedCrooked Interesting. I'm reluctant to install windows on a different HDD because I fure it might give me trouble (a) moving to SSD (no tuning for SSD) (b) with activation
11:08
The only scraping with ajax that I do is round the bath, (that, and vim).
Phone activation only works once though. It's like a joker card.
win7 is fully SSD aware, out of the box
@MartinJames vim :) nice double meaning
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@doug65536 I know. This is why I don't want to install to something else and then physically move the bits
You paid someone to build it for you? o.o
my CPU alone was 1100 USD. It was the fastest I7 you could buy when I got it (excluding xeons)
11:11
I usually.. wait for those things. Just like I'm waiting for cheaper SSDs to build my new PC.
Hah. Finally google found someone who had the same error message (didn't screenshot)
> 'Windows cannot be installed to the selected location: Error 0x80300001. This computer's hardware may not support booting to this disk. Ensure that the disk's controller is enabled in the computer's bios menu'
No matter what partition selected^ (also I created the partition using the windows installer itself... :()
SSD's are pretty cheap now or?
@sehe EFI thing? (EFI is a completely new BIOS architecture)
@JohanLarsson Still $1> per GB?
@doug65536 I haven't got a clue on how to check/influence this. I haven't seen any relevant settings in the BIOS
11:14
That's mainly my concern
@sehe Why fanless computer case?
@doug65536 That's insane. I opted for best 'consumer range' i7
@FredOverflow Because noise :)
What about heat?
@sehe does the bios screen look like real text mode or is it graphical with a mouse? Generally EFI will be graphical looking bios
@Rapptz but you don't really need that many GB?
11:15
It's really eerily quiet. You switch it on, short hiss of the blueray player, and then quietness.
@doug65536 Graphical with mouse
@sehe that helps. it should work... (famous last words)
@JohanLarsson I opted for many GB. RAM :)
@JohanLarsson Of course I do.
but why? You can still have cheap hdd for bulk and ssd for system?
@sehe is this it?
11:16
I'd be like sehe and get 32+ GB worth of RAM too.
@JohanLarsson Yeah, I know. That wouldn't be the case if SSDs were better though. :P
@doug65536 No driver CD involved. Maybe that's required though (!?!?!?! WTF microsoft?!?!?!)
@doug65536 Yeah. I get sooooo mad at stuff like this. I mean, I have my trouble with linux. But (a) that was (~10) yeeeeears ago (b) it was me pushing the envelope with Gentoo and dm-raid before it become fashionable
no ok fair enough, but hdd is perfectly fine for bulk imo, RAID 5 hdd's
@JohanLarsson RAID 5 is gonna sound like a lear jet
SSD for system is nice, but I guess I could live without it.
I also went with 32GB of RAM, never been close to using it, usually between 8-10 GB
user1357851
11:18
This is so weird - why would you have a cake looks like yourself?
@sehe is your disk hardware setup to be AHCI or RAID?
@JohanLarsson Who cares. :P
@FredOverflow I couldn't anymore. I have a bulk HDD too. But the mass storage is in a NAS. And it's remote and in a closet and switched off for maximum peace and quiet
Have to future proof you know.
@doug65536 AHCI
11:19
@sehe don't worry, I'm mostly assuming you already know/tried what I'm saying :)
@sehe I have it hidden in the NAS in another room
@Telkitty Can you eat the whole thing?
@Telkitty I'm sure you can get your cake fetish examined at your local shrink
@Rapptz yeah that was my thinking, just some extra $ not to have to worry about upgrading for a while
@sehe I'm sure your NAS is very useful in it's off state? :P
11:20
@sehe Very occasionally, the W7 on our TV server box fails to boot from the SSD. When this happens, the BIOS looks at the other disks. One is an old'legacy disk with photos etc. on and also a bootable XP image - the box boots into XP :(( This sticks in the BIOS and I have to change the boot order back again 'manually' :((
@sehe I found some stuff saying that win8 installer can screw up if the boot drive isn't the first drive
@Rapptz I never understood the concept of future-proof. I'd rather buy a system I need now, and should I need something better a few years down the line, then I'll update.
@TonyTheLion Backup. Data persistance. Power conservation. It all works splendidly when turned off
@doug65536 Well, obviously there is something I'm missing...
@sehe kek
@doug65536 It is the first (as reported by the BIOS: Sata1)
user1357851
11:21
@FredOverflow I don't think I am keen to eat a cake that looks like myself
at least you have lots of RAM
@Telkitty Yet - you are keen on posting horrible cake contraption after cake concoction
@FredOverflow Well there are a couple of arguments for it
@TonyTheLion HAHAHA
@FredOverflow The point is, I'll upgrade, not replace. My former workstation (till yesterday) was with me for ~6 years, with 1 major mod along the way
@sehe did you try putting your hard drive controller on IDE just to see if it works?
11:23
@Telkitty Right. What irony
@doug65536 Nope. I'll try. But I reckon it might be inefficient?
you lose some tagged command queuing capability. in reality, only something really I/O heavy like a SQL server would really notice
@doug65536 Ok. I would probably not mind then
so what's on the agenda today?
11:26
Hallo!
@sehe there is an easy registry trick to turn on AHCI after installing. worth attempting to turn it on once you're past the cheesy installer
you go put a 1 in some value to enable AHCI
I think my next step is to try with drivers from the MoBo driver disk. WTF crappy OS experience (I'm working now from my linux installation that I pvmove-d to a spinning HDD and works... unmodified. Why does it have to be so compricated with Windows?)
hi guys
gosh, I wish I had all that stuff cat sent me earlier
@BartekBanachewicz cake?
@BartekBanachewicz Alcohol?
11:27
@sehe the cake is a lie
@doug65536 Oh. That's nice to
@BartekBanachewicz But it is so nice delicious and moist
@sehe because Microsoft. Also why do you all of a sudden need Windows?
I was talking about 72 blog posts of some random dude recreating minecraft
@sehe that's what she said
@sehe s/nice/delicious/
@TonyTheLion I don't need it. I felt charitable and thought, well, let's give the dog a bone for once
11:28
I prefer cake pictures to posts about er.. 'server-side scripting language', (I cannot say its name any more, it's like the 'Scottish Play').
you can search chat
@R.MartinhoFernandes thx
you can filter it by his name too, the click the little link thing and it will show context
@sehe skip it and move on, because it's obviously not working out for you :)
@sehe previous statement still holds
11:29
Chat search sucks.
I concur
@TonyTheLion I won't. I have bought it now. Anyways, I wanted to play with HyperV (since I have oodles of RAM now). And if it doesn't pan out, at least I'll have new valid ammunition when I rant/vent against Windows.
@sehe hahah
@BartekBanachewicz I know. Delicious lies
11:30
speaking of VM rage: I've officially given up on virtualbox. the damn thing crashed and undid about 3GB of downloading somehow
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so?
@TonyTheLion I mean, I started feeling guilty as I increasingly found out I'm starting to be Windows-illiterate around people and their shiny Win7/8 boxen. The last version I seriously used was WinXP (hell, I'm still using it at work)
@doug65536 how do you "undo" 3GB of downloading? by uploading it back?
@sehe oh right. Well, then you need to make it work.
11:31
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's a new anti-piracy system.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Side effects are ignorable
<NES> lol
<NES> I download something from Napster
<NES> And the same guy I downloaded it from starts downloading it from me when I'm done
<NES> I message him and say "What are you doing? I just got that from you"
<NES> "getting my song back fucker"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit there were no snapshots, so no idea how all that writing didn't commit. and it's definitely the only linux mint 14 vm I have.
@sehe ah by the as-if rule okay
Everyone needs Windows to run stuff without chmod/chown/libs/versions/paths/whatever hell.
11:32
@TonyTheLion Well, I'll get my Win7 fu on track as I'm designated pilot user for our clients Corporate Desktop upgrade
@sehe oh, have phun :)
@sehe That sounds really fun, you know.
@TonyTheLion Yeah. I'll have all the "kinderziekten"
Is that cake? I'll Google..
11:34
literally translated it says "child illnesses"
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup. The thing is, it's a corporate desktop and they really don't understand developer workstations. Soooo I anticipate a lot of working-around. Not that that is anything new. I calculated that the balance would be positive, as the hardware+software would reasonably be at least 5x as fast
Yup, not cake :)
@sehe 'pilot user for our clients Corporate Desktop upgrade' - are you being punished for something?
@TonyTheLion Yea. What's that in english "Growing pains"/"teething trouble"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's as if none of the disk writes were writing. no idea how an OS could continue to run when that's happening, but possible I guess in a really lightweight distribution like mint 14
@sehe teething problems
@doug65536 all stuck in cache? lulz
11:36
@MartinJames No. I just managed the apt description. I succeeded in making you understand exactly what it's about, judging from the response :)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit possible. I have 24GB of ram so the entire vhd would fit in ram :|
@sehe I wasn't sure what it was in English
@TonyTheLion me neither
user1357851
So is it against the room rule to post cakes now? Will I get suspended for posting another cake?
11:37
@doug65536 yeah, that's my thinking with the 32 Gb
Shut the fuck up about the cakes. No one cares.
@Telkitty Come on. It's clear you're the only one enjoying posting pics. But this isn't 4chan/11flic/whatever. Just try it. You'll find out
I enjoy posting pics too
mega ram is so nice when you accidentally do an infinite loop, high speed memory leak. you can look in task manager and see, "oh crap, it's at 18GB" and have time to kill it before paging starts !
11:38
(ellipsis)
@doug65536 Paging?! What's that
TIL: Zoidberg has a penis jesus
user1357851
user image
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11:39
kek
@Telkitty that is very cool
I'm so glad I don't have to eat it
TIL Gary can only count up to seven.
maybe Gary turned 7
11:40
Who is Gary?
@TonyTheLion you don't know Gary?
user1357851
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lolz, I think you post more picture of yourself than me of cakes >_<
@Telkitty myself??????
@Telkitty shit.. is that... is that me?!
I mostly post lulzy things found on Reddit
people are lucky to get the name spelled correctly - that cake is made by a cake god
user1357851
11:42
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh fake account with fake blog ... why didn't I think of that?
Ooooh parcel arrived. Now the important question is... why the fuck did I get it delievered to the other side of the city.
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A: How to pass Java textfield to an array list?

user2078218can u give me your code ? i need some of them in my program...

seriously?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And there's a suggested edit...
@R.MartinhoFernandes good thinking. privacy before anything
11:43
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. Which I approved, incidentally
What? Why?
It's pointless.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was a valid edit.
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Q: LEAL Assembler instruction

Tony The LionI have the following instruction and I'd like to know what the function is of the 0x10 in regards to this LEAL instruction? Is it a multiply or addition or is something else? leal 0x10(%ebx), %eax Can someone please clarify? This is x86 assembler on a Linux box.

I was failing pretty nicely yesterday:
woot Famous Question badge for this ^
11:44
"auto"? Are you mixing up your languages? — Christoffer Lette 13 hours ago
Making crap use capitals properly is a waste of time.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ignore mis-ping there, had wrong name
It should be deleted, not edited.
What's up with those ugly semicolons? yuck! — ThiefMaster Jul 21 '12 at 15:26
Enough will be enough
11:45
It happens.
1 message moved to bin
@BartekBanachewicz: there's nothing terribly wrong with it. Don't enforce your own personal taste on others (just to be clear, I wouldn't write this-> either) — Armen Tsirunyan 13 mins ago
I write this->.
@Rapptz Srsly.
@R.MartinhoFernandes So?
11:45
:D
@BartekBanachewicz He is right.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It will be both.
I only do it if I name the things the same because I can't say I care
@Rapptz In templates that derive from t-argument-dependent base classes :)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't see a point in turd polishing.
11:46
@sehe exactly
anywhere else should be burned with fire
@R.MartinhoFernandes Then you have insufficient OCD
@sehe What major mod?
@BartekBanachewicz but only there. I prefer to fix naming if there's ambiguity vs. function parameters and members
I hate to be rude, but I don't really care about what you think how I use this->, because like I said I only use it in certain cases because I am too lazy.
> Learning Modern C++: An Interview with Barbara Moo
hehe gets me every time
11:47
@sehe look one line down :P
    void setLooped(bool looped) {
        this->looped = looped;
    }
^ like that
@FredOverflow I went from 4Gb to 8Gb and upgraded the CPU. The rest has stayed the same all the time.
@sehe oh hey I'd forgotten about that
Oh. I did buy a new keyboard.
I don't like prefixing things with m_ so that's the next solution for me.
11:48
@Rapptz why. why would you name param the same as member variable?
@sehe mechanical one?
@Rapptz that is horrendous
shh I don't care.
I am too lazy and couldn't care less.
you secretly do
11:48
@sehe I never did RAM or CPU upgrades. I always did major upgrades, keeping nothing but the drives usually.
I legitimately don't.
the behavior of real tabs ("\t") is a tad ridiculous on SO isn't it? I know people should be using spaces but the tab expansion is way too many spaces
Nobody is gonna believe you
@doug65536 "I know people should be using spaces" why?
@doug65536 Tabs don't work at all with Markdown.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What gets you every time?
11:49
@BartekBanachewicz Because they don't work with Markdown.
Wow you complain about me using this-> but you use tabs?
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, that reminds me of that Page Feed unicode character
@BartekBanachewicz because of the possibility of different editors going crazy.
or #pragma region
@BartekBanachewicz Nope.
Apr 27 '12 at 6:44, by sehe
@ScottW I did the same last year, and finally got a nice keyboard - which was actually one of the less expensive ones. (Don't recall) It is a Trust 16121-02
11:50
@doug65536 there's no possibility if you use them properly, except md
Mar 19 '12 at 19:00, by FredOverflow
Okay guys, major PC update today: equipped with several hundred Euros, I went to my local hardware dealer and bought... a new keyboard and mouse :)
@BartekBanachewicz That is not true.
@Rapptz counterexample?
For example, paste your tab infested code on multiple sites
liveworkspace, ideone, and stacked-crooked.com
@FredOverflow Well. I almost made the error of keeping my current optical drives. But that wouldn't have worked since they were so "old" they were still IDE and wouldn't have fit in my new case :)
11:51
they'll all have different spacing
@Rapptz aand?
@BartekBanachewicz That's his point.
@Rapptz spacing doesn't change layout of my tab indented code
@sehe I consciously bought my last motherboard with one IDE port, but a few weeks later, I replaced all my IDE drives :)
so tabs are evil?
11:51
@TonyTheLion no, they aren't.
@TonyTheLion Yes.
spaces are evil?
@TonyTheLion they aren't neither
@R.MartinhoFernandes not true. select some of the whitespace where his indentation is going crazy (in the question)
No.
11:52
Of course they are. If anything, tabs are evil because they convince some poor schmucks that tabs aren't evil.
evil is evil, for sure.
Duh. Tab character was meant to be used for indentation and I see no reason for not using it for that
you know what? I don't give a crap.
Tabs are meant for tabulation.
I don't have any DVD drives that are useable on any of my boxes. I've stolen their SATA cables for extra HD :(
11:53
And bunch of twat sites like lws really won't convince me otherwise
@doug65536 What about it?
hard tabs
Coliru works perfectly when I paste tabbed code
@FredOverflow hehe. Well, it was a good excuse to get a BD burner. I don't know whether I'll ever use that, but at least I won't have to replace it for a reason like that
@doug65536 Right, and it's broken.
                        (char1 != '\b') )
                        {
                        ke.consume();
                        }
                        }
11:53
@FredOverflow "Barbara Moo"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's her real name, isn't it?
					if (x > 0 && x < size-1 &&
					    y > 0 && y < size-1 &&
					    z > 0 && z < size-1)
					{
@LightnessRacesinOrbit maybe she is mooingduck?
@BartekBanachewicz lol
11:54
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok, that's what I thought you meant. but they work somewhat
@Rapptz see? works perfectly
It's broken because it mixes spaces with tabs; because you have to add four spaces to make it code.
Okay, guys, off scavenging driver disks and taming Win8
@FredOverflow Yes, I'm sure it is.
@BartekBanachewicz ahahahaha
11:54
@BartekBanachewicz That's just one of the patterns that fucks up completely.
@sehe At the time of my last hardware upgrade, BluRay on Linux didn't work so well, so I decided to stay with good old DVD. Haven't looked back since.
@BartekBanachewicz that question I pointed out is the reason why you use spaces. any proper editor makes it so it won't matter anyway, shift+tab to unindent
@sehe See you next month.
11:55
I automatically convert my tabs to 4 spaces.
BluRay on my laptop never worked
@R.MartinhoFernandes as you can see, it didn't
@Rapptz Go to hell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ^^
@Rapptz You are immediately fired from my team
11:55
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He's in this room, so he's already in hell.
Good thing I don't work there.
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you changed that code to tab size of 8, it would still work
@Rapptz Not any more!
or any software design company actually
@BartekBanachewicz Define "work".
11:56
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Welcome to Hell. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Though curious -- what's bad about it? Do you prefer your small 2 space indentation?
@R.MartinhoFernandes indent with desired tab size, keep the if clauses aligned
@Rapptz What 2-space indentation?
@R.MartinhoFernandes #define work void*
@LightnessRacesinOrbit using two spaces is popular too, instead of four.
11:57
@Rapptz so is 3, 5, and 7.5. Why would you enforce any size?
@Rapptz Not among people who wish to continue working for me.
k well, I can't say I care.
@Rapptz Then why do you still speak
@MartinJames jerk. Rebooting now
WHO CARES ABOUT SPACES OR TABS.
11:57
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what personal preference do you like to impose for indentation?
@BartekBanachewicz Hell do I know, some people have an indentation preference.
@doug65536 your mom
@Rapptz Why don't you use tabs and let them have it, then?
@Rapptz And with tabs, I can choose to render code with my own preference. Without enforcing it on anybody else!
@Rapptz ^ this
11:58
@Rapptz: Separate the specific rendering of your code from its base form.
@BartekBanachewicz So, how does that work for void this_is_my_function(int a, int b, int c)? (pretend the params are long and break them down into separate lines).
@Rapptz: Unless you'd like to encode fontsize and colour into it as well?
> For multi-threaded programs on modern multi-core processors, the static compilation approach that C++ uses is far inferior to the dynamic optimizations that JIT compiler technology has at its disposal. Java's seventeen-year-old "java.util.Hashtable" benchmarks at 3x the performance of a similar C++ data structure built using smart pointers, and newer "atomics" (i.e. CAS-based) concurrent data structures are even better than that! source
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll take a photo for you, give me sec
Is that true?
11:59
@R.MartinhoFernandes (also pretend to care)
:D
@BartekBanachewicz No, send me text with tabs, so I can change tab size and see it break all over.
@BartekBanachewicz I used to use tabs too, until I had to switch multiple editors. It was pretty annoying because 1) I had to change what tab space something was to set to my preference, and 2) multiple lines would break pretty badly
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@FredOverflow No idea, but it does seem conceivable.
yeah, 3x the performance until the GC starts thrashing your caches. try replacing free() with a no-op on C++ and see what happens
11:59
@R.MartinhoFernandes please take a look.
I don't have this issue if I convert my indentation to spaces
@BartekBanachewicz I don't care about that. Write my example.
@sehe ......................... waiting.........................

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