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Xeo
12:00 PM
I really should continue learning Japanese.
Ugh. That's annoying. I normally keep my taskbar hidden, but the game makes it pop up (like, say, Skype or mIRC do when you get a message, but constantly). :|
 
Japanese is hard and there's no good resources on the internet :(
 
@jalf haha
 
Xeo
Gotta love old games that know shit about 16:9 when you enable fullscreen.
 
@Xeo That was a fun site :P translationparty.com/#10581541
 
Ahahahahahaha
Remember kids
 
12:04 PM
@JoakimGebart You haven't seen a thing.
 
The most important thing about designing a database is example bullshit data
~~***THE MOST IMPORTANT***~~
Literally nothing else matters
 
Xeo
@kbok: It is a "wish I had static if" question!
 
Brought to you by High-Quality University Education(TM)
 
@JoakimGebart (that thing is crazy if you use some words, like "boobs"; not recommended in the presence of... "sensitive" people)
 
12:05 PM
@Xeo oh
 
user1357851
yes, people here are very sensitive
 
@CatPlusPlus is someone taking a database class?
 
12:22 PM
@thecoshman platform/common would work, too. I don't really care where stuff goes, what does @CatPlusPlus think?
 
> Industry bullshit artist approaching has-been status... super high-concept game design without any actual game... his nephew as producer... five staff total working on a massively parallel realtime cross-platform title with novel mechanics... What could possibly go wrong? popcorn.gif
 
FFS
Fuck the games industry.
 
Xeo
12:39 PM
Heh. Crunching for us at the GA only meant "don't go home and sleep here instead"
We still got our sleep, since anything else is just stupid.
 
GA?
 
Xeo
Games Academy
 
Gah
That looks so much cooler than what I did :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I sometimes feel the best thing that could be done for games is to nuke every shred of the existing games industry, and start over. New companies, new developers, new brands and IPs
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user1357851
12:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes you are not Australian, are you?
 
Hi folks. I'm trying to explain to a friend who just started learning programming the concept of pointers. Does anyone know of a pretty easy to follow tutorial I can point him towards?
 
@TerryChia This is a serious advice. If he's starting programming, he really shouldn't learn about pointers now. This is a very low-level detail and isn't useful to beginners at all.
 
@kbok Well, not really started as in totally doesn't have a clue how to code. He is just having trouble wrapping his head around the concept.
 
pointers point. Done.
 
12:54 PM
@Telkitty No. What makes you think so?
 
@TerryChia Does he know about control flow, collections, arrays, references ?
 
@TonyTheLion Sounds like something I would say.
 
@jalf IPs? Why IPs?
 
user1357851
@R.MartinhoFernandes your link theage.com.au
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I stole it from the Cat, who once said it.
 
12:54 PM
If you want to start over with a brand new IP just do dhclient eth0
 
user1357851
proxy server
 
@kbok I'd say he has a fair understanding of the concepts. I'd just like something to point him towards so he can read up on the topic.
 
@Telkitty Erm. Non-australians can link to Australian sites.
 
@TerryChia Which language is he learning ?
 
@kbok C++. That's why i asked here. :)
 
12:56 PM
@TerryChia Well in this case he shouldn't read anything about pointers, which is not-that-useful, until he has a solid understanding of the useful things.
I mean all of them.
 
user1357851
@R.MartinhoFernandes But if you are not an Australian, you do not usually read Australian newspapers
 
@kbok Alright noted. I'll pass on the advice to him. Thanks :)
 
I'm serious. Pointers confuse the hell out of everyone. You need a solid foundation first or you're going to write crap code for a long time. And you nearly never use them in C++.
 
@TerryChia And to answer your question, no there isn't good documentation I know of on pointers on the internet. A good C book might be useful.
 
1:02 PM
@melak47 probably that it sucks
 
:D
 
You guys making any progress on Kyro ?
 
user1357851
@kbok i beg to differ. Pointers are used all the times in old codes
 
@kbok I err have a window and an opengl context
 
user1357851
which is everywhere
 
1:03 PM
2004-10-12: fixed bug where 0.99999 lead to garbage
2004-12-08: fixed bug where 1.000001 lead to crash
lol
 
@Telkitty Oh my. You must get tired quick from challenging every bit of simple truth and basic fact out there. No one is opposing you. We're not out to get you. We don't think anything in particular about your rep, or lack thereof. Your Apple email is likely not a scam, not a personal vendetta by some forum member either, there is likely no conspiracy and we don't mind if you are wrong on the internet
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh my, commit logs in past tense
 
Oh and to the earlier thing (that was when it really hit me): I didn't want you to leave, nor did you have to 'fight' that motion by 'declaring' your ability to come back... (@Telkitty)
 
@Cicada What's wrong with that ?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes PHP?
 
1:05 PM
@Cicada They are from the past...
 
@kbok I've always used present tense.
 
@sehe lol, no.
 
@Telkitty A lot of unspeakable and horrible things happen in old crappy code, that doesn't mean beginners should learn to code this way
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I was under the impression that 2004 was indeed not in the future!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh that's worse then. What is it?
 
1:06 PM
@Cicada a21c2ef Fix a bug ?
 
user1357851
@kbok you use C++ for work yeah?
 
@kbok Well, it it's C, they probably should. But this is the C++ lounge and I humbly suggest C++ is a better language to start with then C.
 
@Telkitty I do. And the code looks like crap. And I think if people were taught how to code correctly in the first place it wouldn't that much.
 
@kbok 0bc1cadaef Fixes regression introduced by retard in office B
 
@Cicada for a log of what you have done?
 
1:08 PM
@Cicada Oh yeah, the subject is the change. I speak in the first person
 
@thecoshman Git commit log, yes.
 
@sehe Old commit logs.
 
lol 0xc1cada
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@Cicada well, I guess it depends on your view points. Is it a log of what you have done, or a log of what these changes do
 
user1357851
@sehe I left earlier because I have an important meeting tomorrow morning and I have a lot to prepare I need to get up in 6 hours time & I am still here >_<
 
1:10 PM
@sehe That's why I asked. Since he said it was C++ I stand by my position. If it would have been C I would have said to change the language, and if he really must learn C, wished good luck.
 
Yeah, matter of taste I guess.
 
@Telkitty I'm completely fail to see how that is a logical response. I was here at 3am this morning and got up at 7am. That's routine. Which is also irrelevant.
 
@melak47 but yeah, I think it would be a good way to go, and shouldn't be too hard to add it such that /platform/common is built for all platforms. Would only require minor updates to the code to references that folder for those files. You think you can work out the updates to scons to do that, or do we need @cat the decrypt its inner workings for us?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hehe. Of what of course :)
 
@thecoshman nah that's easy
 
1:11 PM
@sehe Stuff from work?
 
making it include whole directories is easy. making it include files in one directory, and one directory below that without recursing through all subdirs is not that fun. :p
 
@melak47 well, feel free to make such changes in a fork, and make a pull request to the main
 
@thecoshman cats way to use only the build system would basically mean we have no need for the window.cpp /.hpp, and just use the build system selected windowimplementation directly?
 
@Mysticial I wouldn't trust it
 
Why is my Galaxy Nexus not updating :(
 
1:13 PM
though, maybe just push changes for the scons build system it self, I am very close to being able to push changes to main my self, but it's could be a right pain in the arse. you could even fork my repo actually... though wait till I get home so I can make sure bitbucket has my latest changes
@melak47 could do, but I think it looks nicer to include 'window' rather then 'windowInpl'
 
//----------------------------------------------------------
MIBOOLEAN BondCalculator::isModified()
//----------------------------------------------------------
{
   MISHORT iIsModified = FALSE;

   bdsHANDLE *pxBdsItemHandle = bdsItemHandleGetHandle(this);

   iIsModified = bdsGenIsItemModified(pxBdsItemHandle, this);
   return iIsModified > 0 ;
}
-_-' seriously
 
@thecoshman rename all windowimpl to window :p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hehe. Confirming my suspicions. Hint: it doesn't mean crappy code base. It just means there are/should probably be 'uncharted' territories and "Here be dragons" signs.
 
MIBOOLEAN :I
 
Affligeant.
 
1:14 PM
besides, 'window' provides some common stuff that can be shared by all platforms, such as how the events are handled
 
@kbok MIBOOLEAN? What.
 
@thecoshman oh btw, that reminds me - window's void swapBuffers() isn't virtual in your code (at least what I have)
 
@kbok Long time since I worked on a dealing room floor. Fond memories at seeing 'Bond calculator'
 
@Cicada #define MIBOOLEAN char
 
naming is horrible... really -_- i hate this hungarian thing.
 
1:15 PM
@melak47 I was probably twating around with stuff to try to compile :P
 
ok, well I agree platform/common is slightly less ugly than just dumping them all in /kyrostat
 
@melak47 still, when I get home, I will make sure my changes have been pushed to BB, then you can fork and push updates to scons and any silly mistakes you see
 
when abouts do you think that'll be?
 
@kbok I like how the C bds* API returns MISHORT :) So, MIBOOLEAN was an improvement for the OO wrapper!
 
@melak47 yeah. I figure anything to do with platform abstraction should be in the platform folder. Similarly, if we make a sound engine, perhaps a 'sound' folder... perhaps
 
1:18 PM
@thecoshman sound? but there is no sounds in space :p
</copout>
 
@melak47 not too sure to be honest... I usually get home at 5gmt, but not so sure tonight
@melak47 you can still here the noise your engines make in your ship :P
 
@sehe hehe :) Actually since the code never uses bool every function call compares the return value with 1, and again, and again... :3
 
@melak we should also probably try to use the chat room we have for this, rather then here :P
 
@kbok no way. I'd always prefer !=0 to ==1
 
1:20 PM
@sehe No, it just means there were two funny bugs eight years ago.
 
yeah..I suppose..but this one is so much nicer :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, if they were in the same code, it means the fix was funnier
 
@melak47 I know :(
 
@sehe It's actually > 0
 
Usually 0 means success.
 
1:21 PM
@kbok ok, good. as long as the type is unsigned :)
@ThePhD and false. In boolean context. In API result codes, 0 is usually 'no error'
 
@sehe It isn't. That's the catch.
 
@thecoshman Only if those engines are not futuristic enough. In the future, engines make no noise... </copout>
 
@kbok oh well. I hope the calculations are decent. Are you using something like mpr or similar for decimal calculations?
 
Also booleans are MISHORT and error codes are, too, so a function will return (MISHORT) 0 on success and another will return (MISHORT) 0 on failure.
 
@Cicada finished? I thought it's MMORPG
 
1:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes bah, fine. Sounds makes the game more fun and gets rid of those annoying people who want a simulator not a game
 
@kbok That sounds... disastrous.
 
@kbok Oooh, error codes.
 
@Abyx There's a story you can finish.
 
@kbok Well, that's still kinda ok in my book: in the sense that it won't actually surprise many. However, 'return -1' would be expected to mean failure, not success..
 
@kbok Seems logical. MI stands for?
 
1:25 PM
@thecoshman Sounds like Linus fending of moronic C++ bigots by using C just to annoy them?
 
@Cicada dunno. M***x Integer I suppose.
 
@kbok I was (sadly) expecting that
 
Shouldn't the whole API just return nonzero on failure, and 0 on success, or vice versa? I mean, unless you syntactically differ it by using MIBOOLEAN as the return so that they figure 0 is false aand everything else is true, can't having different return codes bite you or someone you work with in the ass later?
 
@sehe It's not a problem in practice since no one ever cares about error codes
 
@ThePhD No. It probably should throw on failure, or return actual booleans instead of ints.
@kbok hehehe
 
1:27 PM
@sehe No, a set of custom in-house plain C function that were written 15 years ago and not optimized since.
Apparently they have been copied from a textbook at that time
 
I have a good prototype that perfectly functions but when i try to integrate it to the system itself (i'm developing an component to be exact) i find out that this shitty system screws up timing in messages.... perfuckt.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm.. okay. Though, quick question: does Throw crash the application if the exception goes unhandled?
 
@kbok They should. In the dealing room environment where I worked, errors could lose millions in minutes if not seconds
 
@ThePhD Yes, that's often the point: you don't proceed if there's no way to proceed.
 
@sehe It's not a high-performance system.
 
1:28 PM
@kbok Good for you :) I'd be checking the liability clauses is otherwise
 
Otherwise you get... Eclipse.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, quite a few more systems would exhibit the same kind of 'resilience'
 
Visual Basic uses -1 for true AFAIR
 
Visual Basic is the weird kid among weird kids.
 
@ThePhD It should of course. But everything is the code sucks and is FUBAR
 
1:29 PM
@CatPlusPlus You mean VB6? It gets that from COM.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes. Also I've seen an assembly language use 0xffff for true and all the rest is false.
 
Also C uses 0 for success
 
Are strongly typed integers any good? What's the best way to get them?
 
Anything strongly typed is good
 
@CatPlusPlus Precisely. Well, COM does, to be more accurate
 
1:32 PM
If you can express it in types, you probably should
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh you said that already
@CatPlusPlus Does it? I'd argue that POSIX does. I think those API's come from opengroup, not ANSI?
 
My COM experience is thankfully limited to calling CoInitialize and then SHGetFolderTHingh
 
@CatPlusPlus Which is about the worst corner you can get, apart from monickers and ActiveX container sites
 
Not really.
 
I know :) But I hate windows 'Explorer integration' with a passion.
 
1:35 PM
Have I mentioned that VB6 has all of the following values to express "nothingness": Missing, Empty, Nothing, Null?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Missing is the 'default' for Variants, Empty is ? for strings maybe(?), Nothing is for 'null' references, Null is for database values that can be null. Is that right?
Missing is also the default for optional COM parameters IIRC
 
@CatPlusPlus How can I express it in types though? I tried a class with all the operators but it's not POD.
 
@sehe Missing is for unused optional arguments, and Empty is for uninitialized variants.
 
Stop caring about PODs?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes See, your memory is too good. The trauma will remain fresh longer
 
1:37 PM
@CatPlusPlus Non-POD integers sounds incredibly silly
 
@CatPlusPlus Sometimes you should care about PODs, obviously. Faux integral types would be a good place to watch that
 
@sehe They are all incompatible among each other and testing for each of them requires a different method. I still remember that :*(
 
@Pubby Everything is inlineable, no overhead whatsoever.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me too. Allthough 'Null' wasn't fresh in memory. Somehow I have a vague recollection of 'vbNull' instead. Did you mean that?
 
(Also abloo bloo non-PODs oh my)
 
1:38 PM
Good morning sirs
 
@CatPlusPlus I want the specializations for std::is_pod stuff
 
@Pubby Why not?
 
@CatPlusPlus PODs have other qualities.
 
Type safety is more important
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Want me to post it and maybe you'll know why? I'm no good with understanding POD requirements.
 
1:39 PM
@sehe Maybe that works too. But Null is fine.
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't think they are mutually exclusive.
 
I'm using member operators rather than free ones, is that it?
 
@Pubby Ok.
@Pubby Definitely not.
 
Well, if you avoid type safety because ~PODs~
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes pastebin.com/4evcSWi6
 
1:41 PM
@Pubby Affects ADL for any class template that takes your custom Integral type as a template argument though. Can lead to early (shallow) instantiations and increased compiletimes
@CatPlusPlus Who said that?
 
@Pubby Missing default constructor?
 
:)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That worked! Thanks!
 
6 mins ago, by Pubby
@CatPlusPlus Non-POD integers sounds incredibly silly
 
I want to go home an do non this
 
1:48 PM
13
A: Why does stringstream >> change value of target on failure?

Joachim PileborgFrom this reference: If extraction fails (e.g. if a letter was entered where a digit is expected), value is left unmodified and failbit is set (until C++11) If extraction fails, zero is written to value and failbit is set. If extraction results in the value too large or too small to fit ...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This actually makes sense. It's basically a thin wrapper around strtod(). I'm rapidly warming to this.
 
@CatPlusPlus Tell me how typesafety implies non-POD?
 
The point is that you should never blindly use an extraction variable without checking the return value of the operation, so there's no problem with the extraction changing the variable. You should just always use a local, temporary variable.
 
@KerrekSB But there is a problem. It requires different code to get the strong guarantee.
IOW, it is a breaking change.
(can someone list it here stackoverflow.com/questions/6399615/…)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I suppose. I never assumed the target variable to have any state, even in the old standard. So in that way of thinking there was never a problem.
I actually didn't realise there was a "not touched" guarantee in the old standard.
 
2:09 PM
32 mins ago, by Pubby
@CatPlusPlus How can I express it in types though? I tried a class with all the operators but it's not POD.
(You actually probably don't need strictly all operators but just implicit conversion back to T, but dunno if it's precious POD then or not; it shouldn't matter at all)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's true. I think that's what some people call "code that deserves to be broken" :-)
 
Interesting change, I never knew. I always treat reading a variable after a failed extraction as undefined behaviour... — Kerrek SB 1 hour ago
UBifying that is silly
It should be atomic: either successfully modified or not touched at all
(iostreams fails at that miserably but that's not new)
 
Hey guys, I'd like to know if there is any text on the internet that talks about techniques to rewrite a program source code in another language. Did someone know anything about it?
 
@Zignd What are you hoping for it to tell you? "Read and understand the original program, write it again using idiomatic constructs in the new language"
 
@Zignd Like, english to french? int main() becomes int hand()?
 
2:22 PM
I believe the process involves understanding three things very well: source language, target language, original program.
There is no magic.
 
Nor spoons.
 
Like the Lamecraft (minecraft clone) homebrew that is writen in C for psp but the original minecraft is written in Java
So it's like a translation process
 
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I believe the process involves understanding three things very well: source language, target language, original program.
 
template<...>
class foo {
  // sfinae doesn't work here?
  enable_if<...>::type bar();
};
 
Xeo
@Pubby No
There is no deduction/substitution there.
 
2:24 PM
Thanks for sharing this information with me guys, cya.
 
@Zignd You're not going to successfully directly translate java into C, (well you might, but the result is going to be unmaintainable)
 
@Pubby What did you think would happen?
 
Xeo
template<...>
class foo{ template<xxx = ...> enable_if<xxx>::type bar(){} };
works however
 
@sehe Could you explain a bit more?
 
@Collin It's just an example, my objective is to "translate" C# to Java
 
Xeo
2:25 PM
@KerrekSB He hoped static if would happen. :)
 
I want my static if!
 
@Xeo Oh I see. I think he needs specialization!
 
Xeo
Or make bar a template with a default arg in C++11
 
I hate specialization
It is for operator so I think I can make it a free function
 
@Zignd That's a little more direct, but yeah, no magic really. You just need to come up with how the original program works, and make it work the same way in your new language
 
2:26 PM
although sehe said something about ADL
 
@Xeo Mwhahaha, typename.
 
The real question is: why on Earth would you want to rewrite C# to Java
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pseudo-code.
 
It makes very little sense
 
Xeo
2:28 PM
It was missing in the original code too. :P
 
@CatPlusPlus MAXIMUM PORTABILITY
 
The mobile version of the chat is so bland
 
Xeo
Well, for a reason.
 
Anybody knows how to get a value out of a traversal of graph like dfs with boost::graph ? I don't see how :/ since dfs return void and visitor is passed by value :/
 
@Quanteek Make the visitor collect the value.
 
2:34 PM
@KerrekSB I love your avatar
 
Xeo
@Quanteek To elaborate, have the visitor store a reference to some outer variable and assign that.
 
@Borgleader Thanks :-) I've grown quite fond if it myself.
 
Xeo
Btw hi @Kerrek, long time no see in here (atleast for me)!
 
@Kerr @Xeo thanks :) It makes the job
@KerrekSB @Xeo sometimes it simpler than I think :p
 
@Xeo Yeah, I've been "chat-offline" :-S
 
2:38 PM
btw it is definition of a closure to do so with the visitor ?
 
@Quanteek When it's simpler than you thought it would be, then it's C++. When it's a lot more verbose than you had feared it would be, it's XML.
@Quanteek What have closures to do with anything?
 
Depends on your definition of closure. Idont think you can do Scala closures in C++
 
Actually, I don't understand the word "closure". I know a decent amount of maths, and there the word usually means "smallest closed entity containing the entity in question", but that makes no sense for function objects...
 
@Cicada as in intellectual property, not Internet Protocol. ;) Because, well, it would be kind of a futile exercise if the new "fresh start" generation of game developers immediately get to work on the next Call of Duty or Super Mario game... ;)
 
Xeo
@KerrekSB A closure is a lambda that captures something.
 
2:40 PM
My def is catching an entity from a context and change it in a sub context
 
@Xeo Right. But what's closed about it?
 
@KerrekSB it kind of does. It's the smallest closed set of state that is necessary for the functor to work (I guess you could say that this state "contains" the functor because it refers to nothing outside of it)
 
Xeo
As in: [a,x]{ ... } - the lambda here closes over a and x.
 
@Xeo I see. I never heard that before. Though to me that just sounds like more confusing CS terminology :-(
 
well [](){} is a lambda iff () is not empty only and is closure if [] is not empty and you catch by &
 
2:41 PM
@jalf Hmmm... interesting.
 
@Xeo I think the causality is the other way around though. We say it "closes over" something because it's a closure
 
@KerrekSB You need to learn Scala :P
 
@Quanteek Well... a lambda expression determines a closure object, as far as I understand.
 
@Xeo Y U REMOVE from C++11 question.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because it's not a C++11 question?
Only the example uses UDLs
I removed for the same reason.
 
2:44 PM
@KerrekSB If I take the wikipedia def "Joel Moses credits Landin with introducing the term closure to refer to a lambda expression whose open bindings (free variables) have been closed by (or bound in) the lexical environment, resulting in a closed expression, or closure" thus a closure is a lambda but a lambda do not imply a closure
 
@Xeo I can invoke prior art if you want.
 
If you are going to be this strict, you have a lot of work ahead to fix all that :P
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm fixing everything I come across.
 
@Xeo Yeah, the nutjobs are incoming.
 
Xeo
2:46 PM
I even once removed a C++11 tag although I was desperately looking for C++11 questions to answer for the badge!
Btw @KerrekSB, I did manage to get the badge before you. :)
So, can I remove the tag again?
 
I believe people watching the tag will appreciate seeing the question (not everyone watches the tag to answer!). That's my rule of thumb for tagging.
 
@Xeo You mean C++11-gold?
@Xeo Oh, sorry, I thought you were RMF. Yes, I saw that you already had it.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes "How can I construct a string from template parameters" is relevant for watching people?
 
Ell
@tony what was that reddit thing?
 
To be fair, I completely forgot about it and got it as a pleasant surprise when hitting "refresh" one morning.
Anyway, as nice as that is, I'm still proudest of my "Generalist" badge, for whatever that's worth.
When I visit the bade page, it looks to me like Johannes has no bronze. Is be above that?
 
Xeo
2:51 PM
lol
Bad spacing.
 
I mean, is there a point in SOvolution where you just get stripped of bronze badges and the system says, "you got enough"?
 
@KerrekSB No he's an alchemist and converted all his bronze badges into gold ones.. Duh
 
nah, the div is too small
 
^ No Shit Sherlock
It always impresses me the kind of shit that makes the top of Hacker News sometimes.
 
@Borgleader Is that allowed by the standard? I thought it's UB to cast badges.
 
2:55 PM
@Ell what Reddit thing? I've posted many a Reddit thing here before.
 
@kbok the post about JS as the next big thing made me smile :p
 
@kbok Hacker News? More like Sillicon Valley Hipster News, amirite?
 
@EtiennedeMartel There is genuinely good things but sometimes yeah, it's that.
 
Xeo
11 mins ago, by Xeo
http://isocpp.org/forums/iso-c-standard-future-proposals?place=msg%2Fstd-proposals%2FuRAcdRW5708%2Fu6bOwMaNcRsJ
 
2:57 PM
@TonyTheLion Too late :)
 
Tony the Slowion
 
Xeo
And my reaction is still "o_ô"
 
Slowny the Lion
 

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