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8:00 PM
@robjb An idea is never precise, always depends on context, and is ambiguous to the reader. Any form of communication is an idea at some point.
 
@Mysticial that would be vandalism. ;)
 
"thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." Wow, this is a big enumeration.
 
@fabianhjr I figured as such...
 
Remember kids: you shalt not covet thy neighbour's ass.
 
lol, that remembers me.
 
8:02 PM
@Xaade I'm not sure I agree with that statement, I think ideas can be precise.
 
Leviticus 19:27, Do not cut your hair or clip the edges of your beard
I want to see the "I am not ashamed to admit I am a Chritian" Presidential Candidate actually follow this one: Deuteronomy 15:1, At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts.
Or this one: Matthew 6:19, Don't own anything
 
Anyhow, I've gotta run
later all.
 
@fabianhjr His Bible might say something different.
And I mean that not as a joke.
 
Everyone invents a different Christianity for themselves. Am a Secular Humanist, so I don't really care for the differences.
 
No, I meant that, for example, KJV reads "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal" for Matthew 6:19.
 
8:07 PM
No, 19 is Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth
 
He can follow that easily by using a bank.
 
You are reading 6:19-21
 
Whatever, he can follow that by using a bank.
He doesn't need to "not own anything".
 
Here is where Jesus would have found legalese handy.
 
You're all missing the point.
 
8:09 PM
:p I am just wasting my time having fun.
 
Assume there is a God that wants to prevent the spread of HIV, before man even knows what a virus is. Simply call a few things holy.
 
You must not eat pork: Leviticus 11:7
 
That's what jews do, isn't it?
 
@fabianhjr My mom told me when I was a toddler, not to stick anything into an outlet. Unfortunately, I like technology.
 
Xaade, Jehovah is either inexistant or a dick. :P
That is my point.
 
8:12 PM
Fortunately, we both have common sense, and she doesn't come punish me when I plug in my TV.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes christians should follow it too, specially the ones conviniently using Leviticus 20:13.
 
Christians follow the alliance of Christ, not the old alliance. That's what I was taught.
 
@fabianhjr Or pigs carried a variety of deadly diseases back then, and he was trying to save everyone the trouble. Then again, people today tend to view commands without justification, as being a dick.
 
That's also why Christians don't circumsize (or however you spell that thing) their babies.
 
New Testament, God convinces somebody to eat pork, after pretty much saying, "I make the rules then, I make the rules now. Don't argue with me."
 
8:15 PM
The whole religious dogma is therefor uncalled for. We all have common sense, and now we have laws that state what you should and shouldn't do, yet we got people conviniently using the Bible/Christ/God as justifications.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Some still do. But circumcision has been obsoleted with generally better sanitation.
 
Matthew 5:17-19 The OT is always relevant.
 
@fabianhjr You may have common sense, but you're not applying it very well when you read. Yet you conveniently use quotes out of context to justify calling God uncalled for. (See what I did there)
 
And you cannot cherry pick. :P
 
@fabianhjr ... To its context. Relevant to its context.
 
8:18 PM
Well, please tell me under which context they should be as you have so far. I admit the pig is out of context. :/
 
@fabianhjr To the needs of an era that didn't have anti-bacterial soap.\
If God told them to boil all water before drinking, would you guilt me for that, or recognize that we have water treatment plants. That command is still relevant to nomads in Africa.
 
@fabianhjr What does OT means?
 
Well, the again you have Leviticus 20:9 which explicitly states you should murder anyone that curses their parents. Which of course would go with the slavery/I am the master context of the era.
 
(To me it means off-topic, but it doesn't seem to make sense in that sentence.)
 
Old Testament.
 
8:22 PM
Ah.
 
off-topic lol. :P
 
IME it's mostly just mad men and atheists that enjoy quoting the Bible like that.
I hope you're an atheist.
 
I am a Secular Humanist.
 
Cursed was a different word back then. It meant cursed with the intent of proclaiming harm to the person, with expected results.
 
With nothing to do atm. ):
 
8:25 PM
That just sounds like gibberish to me.
 
It didn't mean saying fuck off.
It would be similar to hiring an assassin, in today's context.
 
Christ, now I will never read the bible the same way. :/
 
@fabianhjr I suppose Secular Humanists are clear for intentionally provoking people, but I'd have a hard time tracking down where that's written down.
 
:/ nah, only skepticism and doubts.
I guess it is poor wording from our part like rigged interviews.
:/ Well, I already stand corrected in the Context sense. I never tought of reading it in socity without soap context.
Or wording for that fact.
Let me just think for a bit.
I guess my criticism is driven by the people wanting to use the Bible/God as their meaning of life like those wanting to be Na'vi as in the Avatar creatures. It just doesn't make sense.
I see the Bible as a Mythological Tale, I am at fault at getting intolerant with people constantly referencing it.
Take this for instance: learnnavi.org I will commit suicide if that becomes the most common language in the future.
 
Hello, can some one explain how does the function syntax operator()(bool b) works? Like why use 2 parenthesis ?
 
8:34 PM
That doesn't make you sound very tolerant.
I don't think there's anything that would cause me to decide to end my life.
@Jimm It's for consistency with other operators.
They are all written like operator@ (where @ is a real operator, @ itself is not valid).
 
:/ it is just anoying. And no, I am not very tolerant, I have been working on that. ):
 
You do operator+(bool b), operator*(bool b), operator[](bool b), and so you also do operator()(bool b)
You could do operator(bool b) but I think that would be a bit confusing.
 
@fabianhjr It makes sense if people see it for more than myth.
 
but that's all it is
1 + 1 = 4 makes sense if people see 2 instead of 1, but that's not what's there
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Can you please explain, what do you mean by consistency? Is operator a keyword? i thought it was plain function name. For example add() and not add()(int i)
 
8:37 PM
no, operator is a keyword
 
@Jimm Yes, it's a keyword.
 
operator()(bool b) means operator overloading the function call syntax
 
ah thank you
 
You always write operator followed the symbol of the operator. In the case of function call that symbol is a pair of parentheses.
 
You have to take what's in the Bible with a grain of salt, and some creative thinking. We've lost perspective, cultural references, identity, context, etc. All we have left are a set of instructions and stories. A few things are apparent as fact: These people did in fact believe in God. The historical context did occur on some scale or form. The books were written by different people.
 
8:39 PM
what's factual is that it's unbelievably unlikely to be true
that's a fact
the rest is irrelevant
 
Can someone please explain the below syntax template <typename T, size_t N>
T*
end( T (&array)[N] )
{
return array + N;
}
 
So, the Bible has cultural and historical significance. Avatar does not.
 
only because people weren't stupid enough to believe Avatar was a true story for two thousand years
 
@Jimm What do you need to know exactly?
 
and historical significance is no significance
 
8:41 PM
@DeadMG That inherently cannot be fact.
 
my question is that a normal end function will be declared as end (int arr[]). but in this template, it is declared as end(T (&array)[N])
 
hmmmm
an invisible being in the sky?
 
@Xaade I believe Avatar has cultural and historical significance. I heard it was somehow ground-breaking in terms of 3D (thus historical) and people do refer to it in popular culture.
 
that's undetectable by any means whatsoever?
that's pretty fucking unlikely
 
How that significance will stand up to time is a different matter.
 
8:42 PM
we can even find neutrinos and sub-subatomic particles
being unable to find a being who can apparently do some major macro-scale shit is so unlikely as to be fair proof of it's nonexistence
 
@DeadMG unbelievably unlikely, as a phrase, disqualifies categorization as fact.
It doesn't matter what's feasible, when you want to find out what IS.
 
well, I suppose that you would believe how unlikely it is
 
@Xaade I think he meant that it's a fact "that it's unbelievably unlikely to be true".
 
if a function that accepts an int array is declared as function_name(int arr[]) , note no sign of array size, why is the corresponding template declared as function_name(T (&arr)[N]) where N specifies size of arr
 
Not that it's a fact "it is not true".
 
8:43 PM
Creating an object that can sustain flight and carry a man, was at one time, unbelievably unlikely.
 
@Jimm Ah, you're getting tripped by the nasty C syntax.
 
they're completely different things
one was a speculative future possibility
 
Unfortunately function_name(int arr[]) is a function that takes an int pointer, not an int array.
 
such an object did not exist and people were speculating about it's possible existence
talking about God is an object that supposedly did exist and does exist and influences our world on a macro scale
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I understand what he means, and I still hold my point. You can't qualify that as fact.
 
8:44 PM
For example function_name(int (&arr)[10]) would be a function take takes an int array of ten elements (by reference).
 
Xaade: however in that case we move from highly unlikely to likely, to being daily business. Deities have moved backwards from being daily business to likely, to unlikely.
 
@Jimm function_name(int arr[]) is exactly the same as function_name(int* arr)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes so when an array parameter is to be specified as reference, is it necessary to specify the size of array also? can i simply not say function_name(int (&arr)[])
 
@Jimm No, because arrays of different sizes are distinct types.
 
there is nothing divine about any religion
it is merely an excuse for people to do what they want in the name of their God
 
8:47 PM
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@DeadMG I'll concede that. Ok, then let's discuss the nature of string theory as an unknown theory. Suppose the theory held, but was unable to be observed. One person might admit that the absurd portions of the theory were unbelievably unlikely. Then one day, we observe that effect. It always existed, still exists, and influences the world.
 
no
 
@Xaade it is still a theory because it hasn't been observed. That is what the LHC is for, along other scientific equipment and tests.
 
@DeadMG Don't assume I see the nature of man's intent by applied religion, and the existence of God, as dependent factors.
 
8:49 PM
an equivalent suggestion would be that a bunch of cavemen invented String Theory, believed it for thousands of years when there was not one single scrap of evidence in favour of it, or any of the quantum mechanics it depends on or any physics or maths at all, and then it turned out to be true
 
@fabianhjr Consider that one day we postulate a method for mathematically proving God's existence, and it qualifies as a theory. Then, both are waiting on the point of observation.
 
@Xaade All I'm saying is that there are simple, natural explanations for absolutely everything we have ever observed, including the existence of mass religion, that do not depend on any God in any form
 
To qualify as a theory it needs to be able makes predictions, is it not?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That was an excellent link, tyvm
 
@DeadMG Absolutely everything except the parts we're trying to get at, you mean.
 
8:51 PM
@DeadMG That's not impossible. It's only unbelievably unlikely. Which is not a relevant issue, or a fact. The only thing that matters is whether the theory accurately describes reality.
 
what do you mean?
 
Well, it must also be repeatable, if mankind restarted again he must come back to the same conclusion/theory. Which is not the case with religion.
 
@Xaade And there is absolutely no evidence that it does, and a fuckton of natural theories that explain reality just fine.
 
One of my friends used to say that the Bible is a great source of information about life and creation. The only problem is that it's a little bit out of date. And like Windows, it needs Automatic Updates.
 
I'm simply stating, that unbelievably unlikely, is not helpful in any form, in determining fact.
 
8:52 PM
Which we would end up with modern models and the Bible would be the outdate version? @Mysticial
 
@fabianhjr Er, how do you test for this "repeatability" of theories?
 
@Xaade It is perfectly useful. The things which are less likely to be are, well, less likely to be.
the difference between the existence of God and the existence of, say, quantum mechanics, is that there are things which cannot be explained without quantum mechanics
 
Is there any other mass energy equivalence but E = mc(squared) ?
Could any other equivalence hold?
 
@fabianhjr irrelevant.
 
without quantum mechanics, our world does not make sense, so any applicable theory, no matter how unlikely, must be true.
on the other hand, our world makes absolute and perfect sense without God, so there is no need for his existence whatsoever
 
8:54 PM
@fabianhjr Theories can be wrong. Holding true is not a necessary property of theories.
 
Man could be oblivious of God on a second run, and that doesn't dictate God's existence.
 
and if you introduce God, then it raises a number of logical contradictions
 
AFAIK, something qualifies as theory if you can use it to make predictions.
 
@DeadMG ... today. Things which cannot be explained without quantum mechanics, today...
 
why can compiler not deduce the type of a non type template. For example template<int> add(int x) {} if i call add(2), compiler will not compile, but if i say add<3>(2), then code compiles and works fine. My question is why do i need to specify an integer in <> the template instantiation such as add<3>(2).
 
8:55 PM
@DeadMG Our world still doesn't make total sense even with quantum mechanics.
@DeadMG There is no absolute definition for "micro distances".
 
Genesis will most likely never make sense, yet we can make sense of the present.
 
I think that the standard model doesn't explain everything.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes The effects, mathematically, only take place on micro distances.
 
@fabianhjr That was pretty much what he was implying. The Bible holds information that was widely believed to be true at the time it was written. Now, things have changed.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That is always true. But there will always be another quantum mechanics. There is no God required
 
8:57 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Eh, they're just unwilling to reevaulate the obvious. A particle is a wave. A wave interferes with itself. Moving on.
 
@DeadMG There is no absolute definition for "micro distances".
Dammit, silly edits.
 
am i not restricting the type of arguments to ONLY of type integer, when i declare a template like template<int> add(int x) {} ?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Not to mention that quantum mechanics could in fact be entirely wrong.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Actually, there is. The wave function cancels itself out within one period. Quantum effects only occur when the wave function hasn't gone an entire period.
 
Well yes, so under his explanation it would be like people today using MS-DOS or a Radioshack computer vs a Modern one?
 
8:58 PM
Do particles have to be "entangled" or could they be the same particle?
 
@Xaade And Quantum Mechanics explains them entirely well. We have never needed to replace Newton's Laws for motion on the macro scale, and we will never need to replace quantum mechanics to replace the inner workings of the atom.
because QM's predictions accurately reflect our reality
 
@fabianhjr Genesis and the big bang are very similar.
 
@Jimm That's mostly because you could say add(x) and the compiler can't know at compile-time what x is.
 
Genesis as in the Book of Genesis?
 

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