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10:01 AM
@MrAnubis I believe static_assert requires a constant expression (different from const).
 
Yes. It's called static_assert for a reason.
 
@TonyTheLion Left two comments. By the looks of it, I don't think he knows much about DCTs either as he's also making the same assumptions and guesses that I'm making off of existing FFT knowledge.
 
@Mysticial Well, at least it explains something...
point is that I didn't even know where to look, now at least I have some pointers
 
@TonyTheLion What he has is good. Probably better than what I would've wrote, since I'd be too lazy to pull out that diagram.
 
haha
my problem is that I'm missing a lot of the math basics to really understand the maths involved in DCT's or FFT's
like I'm not familiar enough with Integrals, for starters
 
10:09 AM
@TonyTheLion I suck at contiguous FFTs... lol
 
also I don't know all the trigonometry rules etc... Only yesterday I learned you can write sin(x) in terms of the exponential function
complex numbers are also still a mystery, why the hell would a number need an imaginary part? What's the use of that?
 
@TonyTheLion Yes, mathworld.wolfram.com/Sine.html scroll down a bit.
 
@Mysticial but what use does the imaginary part have? I mean, i = square root (-1) right?
 
There's the alternate viewpoint that 'i = sqrt(-1)' is formally nonsensical and that a better definition for i is 'i^2 = -1'.
But that's formalism.
 
@TonyTheLion If you're trying to use FFTs for convolution, then you can't avoid complex numbers since the FFT uses them.
Another common use is with phaser circuit analysis
And a lot of wave equations...
Where the real part is the magnitude of the wave and the imaginary part is the frequency (both as a function of time)
 
10:17 AM
oh
so the imaginary part is not always square root of -1 then?
 
i is the imaginary unit.
 
@TonyTheLion It is, but quite often it mathematically has another physical meaning in some other scenarios. (usually anything to do with waves)
 
oh right
hmmm it is interesting... but it takes a while to bend one's mind around these things
 
The imaginary part of a number is expressed as a real number: in 3 + 4i, the imaginary part is 4.
Imag(c) is in R! (Now with bold)
 
Mainly because a complex number lies on a complex plane which has circular properties when you power it.
 
10:20 AM
isn't that 3 + i * 4?
 
@TonyTheLion Same number, yes.
 
right
 
Also 3 + 4·i or 3 + 4×i !
 
And actually, certain physics problems have some pretty spectacular behaviors if you extend them to complex numbers. (none of them have been shown to exist yet, so it's more of a curiosity thing)
For example, an object with imaginary mass will allow faster than light communication.
 
I can't imagine an object with imaginary mass...
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10:26 AM
anyways, getting late here... Imma sleep
 
ok good night
 
I need to hold on for another 4 hours. :/
Well, 3.5.
 
@CatPlusPlus But it's noon in 30 minutes :(
 
to do what?
 
To go to sleep.
@LucDanton Yes. So?
 
10:27 AM
@CatPlusPlus lol, how was your test?
 
The one I was about to fail? I failed it.
 
@CatPlusPlus It'd make sense to go to sleep.
 
I have one more class to go, then weekend.
 
@CatPlusPlus oh that sucks
 
My stomach feels like pressurised tank.
 
10:29 AM
oh :(
 
I hate everything.
 
are you doing a comp sci degree?
 
Well, it's a degree. Dunno how it's called exactly.
 
oh right
 
10:46 AM
Lol, some people. "And also checked kernel32.dll, its there in my system."
NO SHIT.
 
user142019
DLL hell
 
What DLL hell?
There's always only one kernel32.dll and it's not an option for it to not be there.
 
user142019
A virus can install another one.
 
Right.
How could I not think of that as being relevant.
 
user142019
Nothing in this chat room is relevant.
 
10:56 AM
@TonyTheLion try wrapping your head around the notion of an object whos surface is 3d volume
 
@thecoshman hmmm
 
@TonyTheLion isn't 4D space fun :D
 
@thecoshman it's complicated for sure
 
what about a 5D space... where I believe it would be true to say that a 'line' has volume... or a 6D space where a 'singularity' could be said to have volume
 
jeez
I have enough with my transforms at the moment
:This article is about butterfly diagrams in FFT algorithms; for the sunspot diagrams of the same name, see Solar cycle. In the context of fast Fourier transform algorithms, a butterfly is a portion of the computation that combines the results of smaller discrete Fourier transforms (DFTs) into a larger DFT, or vice versa (breaking a larger DFT up into subtransforms). The name "butterfly" comes from the shape of the data-flow diagram in the radix-2 case, as described below. The same structure can also be found in the Viterbi algorithm, used for finding the most likely sequence of hidden s...
anybody has any notion about these things?
 
11:06 AM
A quick question.. does anyone have any idea how exactly the DWM api is changing in win 8? Looking at images where the screen is split in more than one region, windows seem to be slanted somehow -- this is not possible in win 7, right?
 
thankfully, it's mostly maths for maths sake
 
ah thank god for that
 
I find it strange how to make 3D graphics 'easier' we use 4D vectors... but I don't think 3D maths really makes 2D maths easier...
 
Mathturbation.
 
11:18 AM
Hey, I was talking about that 2 days ago or so.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Shall I worship you for that?
 
Yes.
Well, you could worship me for something else, I guess.
 
@sbi nice! - I'm sure they have Stallman's blessing
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Only if you are registered as a god in Sweden.
 
I should look into that.
I wonder if they give up certificates of deity authenticity.
2.5 hours. :(
 
11:42 AM
@sbi you think it's cool that they can now use this "religion" to copy things illegally? Because that's why they did this.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion They are still not allowed to do illegal things. This includes illegal copying.
 
@sbi Do you honestly think they will stick to that? I have strong doubts
A Kopimist or Kopimist intellectual is person who has the philosophical belief that all information should be freely distributed and unrestricted. This philosophy opposes copyrights in all forms and encourages piracy of all types of media including music, movies, TV shows, and software. The term kopimist originates from the root word, kopimi, meaning copy me.[http://www.kopimi.com/kopimi/] Kopimists have primarily been involved in computer piracy, distributing copyrighted materials through peer2peer networks such as through the use of bittorrent files, but they initially started their in...
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion And do you honestly think they stuck to that before they got acknowledged as a religion??
 
read the first paragraph
@sbi no, but this "religion" thing will only fortify their "reasons" for doing so.
 
sbi
What I find cool about that news is that Sweden seems to be an open enough society to allow the registration of a religious group that names Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V as their religious symbol. I bet you'd have a snowball in hell's chance to do this in Germany.
 
11:48 AM
@sbi With all these climate changes happening you never know.
 
@TonyTheLion when you use stupid laws and rules to show how stupid other laws and rules are, then yes, I think that's cool
and no, they're not using it to do or legalize or justify anything they couldn't do or legalize or justify before. They're using it to make a statement
 
@jalf so you're saying that when you write a piece of software and you want to sell it, you wouldn't mind it being distributed without anyone buying it? Because basically that's what this "Church" promotes
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion See, I, too, earn my money by writing software that is sold, and so I, too, am hurt when this software is copied rather than bought, so I, too, am not opposed to copyrighting in principle. That does not mean, however, that I fully agree with the all the ways the industry employs copyright laws (or that I cannot applaud those opposing the laws when they pull off something great).
 
Do you seriously think that there are people who thought "normally I couldn't get away with piracy, but if we get it recognized as a religion, no one will be able to stop us"
@TonyTheLion no, where did I say that?
Look at what I said, not what your inner voice wants to think that I might have intended to say
 
11:51 AM
@jalf You believe in Angels don't you?
 
no
 
@jalf I have a notion that some idiot probably had that in the back of his mind
 
@TonyTheLion if so, he was truly an idiot, because it wouldn't work
so no, I consider that highly unlikely
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion And why would he be the idiot and we be the sane ones?
 
if you want to get away with piracy, there are much more effective ways to do it
 
11:52 AM
@jalf well, we shall see what happens...
 
@TonyTheLion are you saying that you support the notion that the owner of some IP can do anything* and **everything he likes to control who gets access to it?
 
> This philosophy opposes copyrights in all forms and encourages piracy of all types of media including music, movies, TV shows, and software.
 
@TonyTheLion And? How is that different/worse from their pirate party, or from what the people involved have always stood for?
And for that matter, why is it worse than the philosophy which believes in infinite copyright for everything and anything, and that letting your friend borrow a CD, or taking a backup of it for your own use, should be an act of treason?
 
@jalf well if he owns the IP, then he has that right, yes. If you have a car, you have the right to control who drives and doesn't, no?
 
@TonyTheLion Does he? Should he have the right to shoot people? Put them in jail? Fine them arbitrary amounts of money?
 
sbi
11:54 AM
@jalf One of the Pirate Party guys who entered the Berlin parliament runs a software company. I somewhat doubt he's universally opposed to copyright laws.
 
And should he have this right forever? Or for a finite period?
 
@jalf Within the limit of the law...
 
@TonyTheLion the law that he basically writes
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Which law? The current one?
 
through huge powerful lobbying groups
The law which, if these lobbyists had their way, would say that you could be thrown in jail for a decade for taking backup of a CD
Of course people should obey the law. The question is what the law should say, and who should write it
But speaking as a software developer, I don't think it's so black and white either. It's very likely in my benefit if a certain amount of people pirate my software
 
11:58 AM
@jalf yes that's true, but the way they are trying to make a "point" seems somewhat strange to me... I don't think it's gonna make any point, besides strengthen the "other side's" view to make even harsher Copyright laws
 
Do you think Photoshop would own the market the way it does today, if decades of students hadn't pirated it? How many of them would have ever learned to use it, if they'd had to pay the full (and extremely expensive) price for it?
@TonyTheLion Well, a lot of people disagree. They pretty much have the public opinion on their side, and that's the point they're making
 
@jalf perhaps, but if you're sales drastically start dropping because of this copying, I'm afraid you'd not be so happy either. If this were your income source
 
can I use one template class name, like say, array, and have it be usable for static (size known at compile time) and dynamic (size known at runtime) by messing with constexpr and the number of template arguments (without too much code duplication between the two variants)?
 
if, say, RIAA tried to found a religion of copyright, people would pile up outside it and throw rocks
@TonyTheLion correlation does nto imply causation. If my sales drastically drop off, how do I know that it is because of this copying? And how can I determine what teh long-term effects of it will be?
 
@jalf yea, possibly....
 
12:00 PM
Or going back to the photoshop example, in the short term, it would have helped them if they could prevent copying entirely some day 20 years ago. In the long term, it would likely have crippled them
 
sbi
@jalf Isn't the RIAA that organization that has just been discovered to have torrent downloads origin from their network? :)
 
@jalf yea well, there's a lot of factors involved, but if your software is being copied all over, and at that point your sales start dropping, it seems rather obvious... but it would obviously need proper investigation from the seller as to WHY your software isn't selling anymore.
 
If I am to make a living selling my software, then there is only one number that matters
the amount of sales I generate
how many people buy my software?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion You are trying to provide an extreme example as an argument for treating the general case. Doesn't work that way.
 
all the people who don't buy it are irrelevant. Economically it makes zero difference to me whether someone pirates my product, or just plain does not use it
 
12:02 PM
oh I forgot, what does it say about arguing on the internet???
 
I don't see what I gain by turning someone-who-uses-my-product-without-paying into someone-who-doesnt-use-my-product-at-all
how does that make me more money?
 
The bottom line is that the big record and software companies missed the boat: If there was some coordinated effort like Steam, Spotify, iTunes before all the pirating made the headlines, the world would look very different
 
@jalf turn it into someone who will pay for your product
 
sbi
I think I wrote that here the other day: A former boss of mine once told me that our software is copied thousandfold in Russia and China. When my jaws dropped he said that those who copied it now would never ever have bought a legal license, so nobody was hurt by this.
 
@TonyTheLion How?
And is that easier to do with someone who doesn't use my product at all?
 
12:04 PM
@jalf fuck knows, find out why the product wasn't bought in the first place by this person. Do a survey, marketing research... I don't know, not a sales expert
@jalf I'm talking about the person whom has got it without paying for it
 
@TonyTheLion And yet you're confident that stopping pirates from using my product would increase sales
by turning someone-who-uses-my-product-without-paying into someone-who-doesnt-use-my-product-at-all
 
@jalf well, if you're smart about it, I'm guessing it would... but it takes some proper investigation,etc...
 
@TonyTheLion But why? Why would I care about him? I'm interested in how many licenses I can sell
I'm not in the business of judging people's souls
 
@jalf helpful shorthands: SWUMPWP and SWDUMPAA
 
@TonyTheLion smart about it?
 
12:06 PM
@jalf You're not reading what I said, turn someone-who-uses-my-product-without-paying into someone who's now willing to pay for it!! Different perspective
 
here's what I'd do if I were smart about it
 
all additional copyright laws will do is give the government a reason for taking away more of our freedoms (not unlike what fear from terrorism has done)
 
I would prefer that people use my software. If I can get them to pay, that's ideal. But otherwise, if they use it without paying, that's second best
 
and don't tell me you couldn't find at least one person whom got your software illegally, cause that's bullshit
 
because that means that they (1) know my product, (2) find my product worth using, and (3) might one day choose to buy it
oh, and (4) apparently need my product
 
12:07 PM
(now my English is not the best, but I think that is '(...a) person who (got your software...)' twice now :))
 
that seems much better than someone who (1) makes do without my product, (2) might never have heard of my product
@TonyTheLion what does that have to do with anything?
I can also find at least oen person who doesn't use my software at all
 
@jalf should have been right below my statement before
@jalf didn't say you should judge someone's soul
 
but you are implying that simply by preventing piracy, my sales will rise
the only reason I can see for that is that you consider someone who doesn't use my software to be more likely to buy it than someone who uses it without paying
if you want another example, then I pirated a lot of games when I was a kid. I obviously couldn't afford to buy them. But I pirated them and played them and that made me a gamer. And now that I can afford games, I buy them because I am a gamer
imagine if I'd simply not played games as a child, because I couldn't afford them
would the games industry be better off?
 
sbi
Yeah. Let's found a game industry welfare organization that gives away great games to little kids, so they become addicted and turn into future customers.
 
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say, If you were to know some person X that has downloaded your software without paying, and you were to find out what X likes, doesn't like about your software, his reason for not paying for it (perhaps it's too expensive), etc... (Now go do this on many X's) You might be able on your side to change some things which could make it more appealing for your target audience to acquire this software (buying), instead of illegal downloads.
 
sbi
12:13 PM
@TonyTheLion Yes. But how does making copying illegal help with finding this out??
 
@TonyTheLion but how does this tie into your argument that people who pirate things are basically the scum of the earth?
which was where we started. With the swedish religion
 
sbi
@jalf You said it so much more eloquently than I ever could. :)
 
@TonyTheLion I agree wholeheartedly with that. It just seems to be a different argument than you started out making
 
12:25 PM
@jalf That's what Bill Gates said
he said that he'd rather people stole Windows than used Linux
 
@rubenvb what C++ compiler lacks int64_t?
 
@DeadMG And it seems to have worked.
 
well, I used to be a filthy pirate of many things, but now I hardly pirate anything
 
First make them addicted to your product. Then start charging for it.
 
I got Windows and VS for free from Microsoft, I buy all my games
 
12:37 PM
@Potatoswatter it's more for the natural extension of the method: stackoverflow.com/questions/8742345/…
 
On Windows there are many applications that you can download for free: chat, messenger, TortoiseSVN, diff and merge tools. On Mac little utitlities like this often cost money (Versions, TextMate, NTFS drivers, ...) The free ones are often total crap.
 
@rubenvb What? Obviously that's what led to my question.
 
@Potatoswatter Say I'd like to emulate an int256, I could use the same method. There's some interesting answers there anyways.
 
I'm not sure if the standard requires int64_t support.
 
@rubenvb You should probably ask about int256, then. Anyway, yes, the top rated answer pretty much sums it up.
 
12:40 PM
@StackedCrooked it doesn't. Fixed width types are optional.
 
@rubenvb Not anymore.
 
@DeadMG since when?
 
since C++11, at least
and virtually all real implementations shipped the C fixed-width types
as well as long long, which is at least 64bit
 
The C standard doesn't specify what fixed width types have to be supported. But you're right, I know of few compilers that don't support stdint.h with int64_t, etc.
 
12:44 PM
@DeadMG n3290 still mentions them in 18.4.1 as optional.
 
I guess 16-bit systems are unlikely to support it. But they are dinosaur anyway.
 
Actually, there is no mention of e.g. int32_t in the C standard. Just the possibility of intN_t.
 
12:57 PM
can SFINAE be used to detect if something is a constexpr?
 
I don't think constexpr is part of the function type. I suspect it's similar to inline in this regard.
Did I sound intelligent enough?
 
sbi
@DeadMG Except 420GB of movies per month, of course.
 
that was for my brother
 
@sbi if it's in one torrent, it's only one case of pirating, no biggy
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I have seen something similar, but without that Next<> thing. I think it was a typelist with all the types. A meta function would walk over the typelist and pick the right object.
 
1:07 PM
@sbi I've always wondered how much this kind of thing slows down compile time... (over ifdef and define)
 
@rubenvb Probably nada
 
sbi
@thecoshman Yeah, of course. And Jack Sparrow's, erm, Captain Jack Sparrow piracy also is a single case of piracy, albeit a lifelong one...
 
@sbi Essentially that's what's my code is doing. But it is missing some syntactic sugar to make it look like a type list.
 
sbi
@rubenvb That's not something overly complicated. I bet it's in the lower singly digit range, at max.
 
@sbi Actually I got the inspiration implementation is based on a nearly identical message from you earlier.
 
sbi
1:09 PM
@StackedCrooked I know it basically does the same.
@StackedCrooked Did I mention this here? I forgot. (Now, if the robot was here, he'd already slapped me in the face with a quote.)
 
May 21 '11 at 13:59, by sbi
@StackedCrooked TMP. Have a compile-time list of integers, sorted by size, ascending, and walk it until you find one that's at least as big as needed.
Apparently I have ambition to surpass the robot :D
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked He's still much faster than you, though. :)
 
@sbi I had some trouble with the search feature. It could't find your name so I had to type in your user id. But it took me a while to figure this out.
That said, he's probably still much faster than me.
 
@sbi now your getting it :D
 
OT: in response to stacked-crooked-read-only/Utilities/VimLauncherVS/Settings.txt
I use Arguments: `--server-name GVIM --remote-silent +$(CurLine) "$(ItemPath)"` to reuse the vim instance
 
sbi
1:19 PM
@StackedCrooked You click on my avatar, go to my user page, and there find a search box that searches only my messages.
 
feel so retarded... just spent hours trying to find out how to work around something... only to find there actually is a 'get Parent' function ¬_¬
 
TIL: Do not put ginger root in your nose.
 
@Potatoswatter what are you up to...?
 
SCIENCE!
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter Is that an, um, sexual preference?
 
1:21 PM
@sbi please elaborate.
 
sexy science, the best kind of science!
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter Do you, or do you not, suffer from a pervert sexual obsession that urges you to put ginger root into your nose? (Was that plain enough?)
 
I really get turned on by not putting ginger root in my nose. In fact I've never been aroused otherwise.
 
FYI there is indeed a word for the use of ginger for the purpose of sexual gratification .
 
@sbi Nice!
 
sbi
1:24 PM
@thecoshman No way!
 
@thecoshman Consulting Wikipedia… zingiphilia? That's actually awesome!
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Yeah, if we all stick together, we might beat the robot yet and prevent Skynet from taking over the world!
 
I thanks you <bows>
 
sbi
> The page "Zingiphilia" does not exist. Wikipedia
 
actually... if I recall correctly... the term is (for reasons I can't fathom) 'figging'
 
1:27 PM
@sbi Google finds nothing as well :v( . However given that I just coined the word, that should be remedied shortly.
 
sbi
> Your search - "zingiphilia" - did not match any documents. google
 
You're too impatient! Wait a day, then you can read the transcript of this chat.
 
sbi
@thecoshman OMG!
 
2
Q: boost::enable_if not in function signature

Lorenzo PistoneThis is just a question about style: I don't like the way of C++ for template metaprogramming that requires you to use the return type or add an extra dummy argument for the tricks with SFINAE. So, the idea I came up with is to put the SFINAE thing in the template arguments definition itself, lik...

 
@sbi erm... do you mind moving that
 
sbi
1:29 PM
@Potatoswatter Actually I didn't write this as a reply to yours within 10secs, google search, and pasting, and all. . I wrote it while you wrote yours. You just committed yours a few seconds earlier.
@thecoshman I'd rather not.
 
@sbi I posted one gif! :P
 
Eh… my internet connection does nothing within 10 sec anyway.
 
sbi
@thecoshman You mean the image on Wikipedia was posted by you?
 
@sbi ... I was referring to the gif I posted a while ago and then ran away. If I recall correctly, it was a dog licking a babies face clean
 
sbi
@thecoshman I don't get it. What does that have to do with inserting a piece ginger root into unappetizing body cavities?
 
1:35 PM
@sbi your posting is my punishment
 
sbi
@thecoshman I don't get it. What does that have to do with inserting a piece ginger root into unappetizing body cavities?
 
@sbi All things are connected, grasshopper. See? I'm a scientist and a sensei.
 
@sbi it is not the content it self, but the posting of said content
 
sbi
I think I might have to give up on this.
 
Also… aren't there plenty of irritating things you could apply to the sensitive areas? Wikipedia also mentions horseradish. That seems far more obvious, effective, and economical.
 
1:37 PM
@Potatoswatter never cared to give it much thought to be honest with you
 
Well, I learned more than I bargained for anyway. And it all started by picking my nose.
 
@rubenvb Interesting question, answered.
 
@Potatoswatter and so starts another fetish oriented tangent
 
is there a POSIX/Linux/Mac alternative for WriteConsoleW?
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter A friend of mine, who cooks for the staff at some company, once mentioned that you shouldn't go to pee after having grounded chili peppers. Or, if you must, you should be very careful. :-/
 
1:43 PM
@sbi around September I helped pickle a load of chillies. Chopping them up was fine... but then not long after I finished... the burn start to set in... I woke up with my hands still stingy
 
@thecoshman You didn't wear protection? Bad boy!
 
@sbi Oh, you learn about chilies very fast. Not just peeing, but for stronger varieties, you should avoid touching any part of your face, or just wear gloves in the first place.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Well, as I understood that friend, it wasn't his hands that were the problem...
 
@FredOverflow I don't have a problem with spicy stuff... turns out, through enough chillies at your self, and it WILL hurt
@sbi he was using his feet to chop chillies... that's some skill!
 
sbi
@thecoshman "through enough chillies at your self" — I can think of a few hidden meanings for that... ("throw")
 
1:45 PM
@sbi yes :(
 
sbi
@thecoshman Nope. He was using his hands. First, to ground chilies...
 
dam you non English people getting taught English better then me
 
sbi
@thecoshman Aw c'mon, by now we all know you're a legasthenic.
 
@sbi sigh... let me just google that
:O
¬_¬ what gave it away?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Uh. How about repeatedly messing up homophones? :)
 
1:52 PM
@thecoshman IIRC homophones aren't usually a problem for learners of a second language. I don't think it's a property of 'getting taught English better'.
 
@sbi so is legasthenic more a genre of ... 'problems' or is it a specific thing?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Frankly, I don't know much about it. There's a significant number of legasthenics among programmers, and I've met a few when I was a student. Messing up homophones was something one of them did.
 
@sbi "through enough chillies at your self" means that something is accomplished when your body is covered with chilies. For example, "through enough chillies at your self, you will gain a deeper understanding into the mysteries of the universe".
 
@sbi let me refer to a specific message to make my reply clearer.
 
you know... I am still reading 'through' as throw... I have real issues :(
@sbi that be true...
 
sbi
1:55 PM
@FredOverflow This, however, is one of the obvious meanings. I was talking about the hidden ones.
 
@sbi you managed to change what you said completely whilst still keeping my reply sensical (and why is sensical not a word when nonsensical is?)
 
sbi
@thecoshman Thanks for confirming, but actually I remembered pretty well. :)
 
@sbi Messing up homophobes? What did you do to them, stick them to a flagpole?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Seeing this, wouldn't "through" rhyme with "threw" rather than "throw"? But there's very funny accents on the British isles all of which I know very little about.
@FredOverflow You know, I started waiting for someone to lower himself to this the moment I wrote that...
 
1:59 PM
And you didn't have to wait for long!
 
@sbi well... phonetically, 'I threw you the ball' 'I will throw the ball' (perhaps it is a past/present tense thing
 

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