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12:04 PM
underneath a gravestone.
 
@FredOverflow I'm not. I don't go for quickest talker or sharpest wit. I went by most compelling message and vision of C++ concepts. I really liked his talk and will certainly be watching that again.
 
One task done, two to go
 
By my taste, the other talks focus a little too much on C++-isms like boundary cases, optimization fetish or just generally "pitfalls" -> it is the same preoccupation that spawned entire series of books on the language.
Bjarne's talk as well as Parent's do a better job of detaching from the tactics and focusing on how to just be productive and not etiher be tickling yourself with or plain wrestling the language_.
 
@FredOverflow "too much". Code is not countable.
 
@sehe I think most people in this lounge probably like wrestling the language ^^
 
12:12 PM
One code, two code, three code
Nobody likes wrestling the language.
It's counterproductive.
 
@bamboon Nah, some of us like beating the language at wrestling, but that's a different matter.
 
Xeo
@bamboon Not really. We try to do something fancy, and if the language doesn't let us easily and we have to wrestle it, we usually complain loudly.
 
@Xeo Or start developing a new one.
 
Or use a better one.
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@bamboon I do too. But is't not what I need help with :/ /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
I found STL's talk rather ... boring. It was fast. A number of insights were shared, but nothing I didn't already know. I found Andrei's talk very entertaining (the Big Trio of Scott/Herb/Andrei never fails to entertain) but it focused on ... whimsical optimization fetish again.
 
12:18 PM
Have you seen the proposal for "CRTP syntax sugar" on the Asylum?
 
Or cry ferociously.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope. That sure sounds whimsical
 
std-p: your daily dose of humour
 
In other news: I'm very much getting a contract offered by that company. Depending on the terms, I'll do it. It's a step back in terms of job security (15 years with a big company is worth some mental rest points), but it's a step up in most other respects.
 
user1804599
@sehe Maybe it's more efficient if you have a billion lines of code.
 
12:19 PM
It's basically "hey, what if we removed everything that makes CRTP useful, and added some syntax that, since the boiled down 'CRTP' we use is now useless, becomes totally redundant and the code would do exactly the same if you just deleted the new keyword and its friends".
@CatPlusPlus Sadly, it's not daily, but it sure is better than some TDWTFs. TDWTF gets repetitive sometimes.
 
Nice.
 
And in the Asylum you can interact with the madmen. Wait, that's not a plus, is it?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes mixins?
 
Only if they give a lot of XP.
 
@Xeo No. Nothing, really. But with a keyword.
> So, we should give hand-holding for the more delicate users, then abandon them when they actually need something non-trivial?
hehehe
"delicate users"
 
12:21 PM
Delicate snowflakes
 
@Xeo "Simplifying simple CRTP usages"
 
Xeo
ah
 
I need to make my laptop faster.
 
@CatPlusPlus put it on a bus
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes didn't read that one
 
12:22 PM
"simple CRTP usages" turns out to be "situations where no one sane would use CRTP; or anything at all"
 
@melak47 Pfft I made that joke years ago.
 
@CatPlusPlus Paint some stripes on it.
 
speed holes!
 
Does CRTP feel complicated these days? I'm sure decltype(auto) can help with that.
 
morning
 
12:29 PM
I need a way to play Civ5 using my laptop as a thin client to my desktop. :v
Because godsitissofuckingslow
 
nvidia shield
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
Remote Desktop? hehe
 
I tried VNC once. FPS of 0.1 is not playable.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus hehe, similar to what I was trying with my tablet
I resorted to RDP in the end
 
@not-rightfold efficiency was not a feature. try a better troll :/
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a plus plus (double positive is a ... )
 
@CatPlusPlus use dxtory and stream the video to your thing? :D
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tiny Tina :D
 
@Xeo Have you played the DLC?
 
Xeo
I haven't even finished the game yet :/
 
Xeo
12:38 PM
Need a better PC
 
Best Torgue moment.
 
I hang around with very very smart people & I hang around with some really really fit people. I hope one day I will become a very very smart & fit person
Probably too late
 
> The plural of mouses is meeses.
 
mouseulators
 
12:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes both mice and mouses is acceptable AFAIK
 
Mousii
 
1.5 litre cold fruit juice really doesn't mix with half raw steak
Maybe I should stop trying to kill myself by accidental food poisoning and doing dangerous activities
 
5 new flags, and when I click it, it shows nothing
bah
 
@thecoshman That's for the singular of mouses, not the plural.
The Orchid of the Year is a yearly honor given since 1989 to an orchid species native to Germany by the ' (Native Orchid Research Group, AHO), a German orchid conservation federation. The choice of orchids follows the endangerment of the species or its habitat due to human pressure. Orchids of the year {| class="wikitable" |- | 1989 || Western marsh orchid | Dactylorhiza majalis |- | 1990 || Pyramidal orchid | Anacamptis pyramidalis |- | 1991 || Green-winged orchid | Orchis morio |- | 1992 || European common twayblade | Neottia ovata (then Listera ovata) |- | 1993 || Military orchid | O...
This is a thing.
 
Of course it is.
 
12:54 PM
How many orchids are there?
 
More than there are species.
 
@ÓlafurWaage Orchids is a family, so I'm guess lots.
Cheese baked into the pepperoni sounds awesome.
 
Google's motto has been "don't be evil, unless profit" for quite a while, I don't know why people are still surprised.
:v
 
I just realized that C# is actually C++++ with the four plus signs in a 2x2 matrix configuration represented by the octothorpe. Very clever Microsoft.
 
1:00 PM
@ÓlafurWaage Wait, the Kit Kat thing is not a joke?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Its also the next level (octive) of C
 
@ÓlafurWaage Not an octave, just a semitone.
 
tomatoe potatoe
 
Xeo
1:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Easily possible, you just need to do it before the pepperoni is cut
 
@Xeo Don't care how. Just gimme the damn pizza.
 
Xeo
haha
 
I also like to mess with 1st year CS kids by writing
int i = 0;
i = i+++++i;
 
I'm still trying to take Android Kit Kat seriously.
 
1:03 PM
> Along with the Asteraceae, they are one of the two largest families of flowering plants, with between 21,950 and 26,049 currently accepted species, found in 880 genera. Selecting which of the two families is larger is still under debate, as concrete numbers on such enormous families are constantly in flux. Regardless, the number of orchid species equals more than twice the number of bird species, and about four times the number of mammal species.
 
I can't even take their silly versioning scheme seriously.
 
This feels like an April Fools joke gone horribly wrong
 
They're actually going to make real KitKats shaped like that.
 
So, following up we will have: Android Lion and then Android M&Ms.
 
Xeo
1:05 PM
Android Raider?
 
I want this TV
 
@Xeo ? That seems to be skipping a couple of letters.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why?
 
Because N follows M?
The versions follow alphabetical order.
 
Xeo
@MohammadAliBaydoun Meh, LG is known to fake their ads
 
1:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes mice is plural of mouse, "one furry mouse, two dead mice"
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, right
 
@thecoshman And the singular of meeses.
 
with a computer mouse though, "mouses" is acceptable too
@R.MartinhoFernandes what? you don't have 'a computer mice'
 
Mousii is obviously correct I don't know why is this even a discussion.
 
@thecoshman Ooops.
 
1:09 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes wait... are we not talking English?
 
I sometimes feel bad for pulling your leg for so long.
26 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
> The plural of mouses is meeses.
Read carefully and tell me if that makes any sense in English.
It is in English (with poetic license), but it makes no sense.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see now that you are confusing tiny little rodents with big... erm... what sort of creature is a moose?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm going to go snap a spine of a book to punish you!
 
@thecoshman No, I'm not confusing anything. I'm just playing along with the joke (or maybe it was a typo by the original author).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
 
Jokes are hard let's go meese hunting.
 
1:14 PM
@MohammadAliBaydoun Erm, it looks totally not real from here...
 
Xeo
7 mins ago, by Xeo
@MohammadAliBaydoun Meh, LG is known to fake their ads
 
All ads are fake.
Unfake ads are inefficient.
 
@Xeo It's not even believable!
 
@ÓlafurWaage The compiler will parse that as ((i++)++)+i, but (i++)++ is illegal.
@MohammadAliBaydoun 2001 called, they want their insights back.
 
resources :users, :constraints => { :id => /[^\/]+/ } do
This makes no sense.
But I'm 99% sure it'll break shit if I change it.
 
1:17 PM
@FredOverflow Would those then be hindsights, or foresights?
Hindforesights?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The commercial is not relevant to whether I want it or not
 
@sehe What can I say, I'm an STL fanboy.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right, what was I (not) thinking?
 
Xeo
thinking is overrated
 
fuck me I am not fit state to program today
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's uncountably infinite!
 
1:20 PM
@thecoshman Try Haskell, it doesn't depend on state.
 
Ugh I deleted a route, and now I have no idea what's broken.
 
@ScottW gud gud, u?
 
Why does this shit pass as "acceptable" is beyond me.
 
fuck I am so sick.
 
@FredOverflow the other Freddy
 
user1804599
1:31 PM
@CatPlusPlus git blame
 
@not-rightfold git blame what?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Oh..birds. I assumed you'd linked Freddy Krueger.
 
@Xeo I looked at the letters inside the brackets first and thought of 上.
 
Xeo
@chris lol!
 
1:33 PM
Yes, RubyMine, highlight every goddamn variable in a view as missing symbol, that'll help. Thanks.
 
@MartinJames Yes, the black backed Australian magpie
 
Also yes "clearfix" is a typo yes.
Why did I think an IDE could help with a mess that is Ruby.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 SOmehow, I've never mentally linked @FredOverflow with a magpie.
 
I love magpies, they are funny & aggressive ... clumsy, curious & daring
Kind of reminds me of myself >_<
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Huh. Different views round the world. The only things I like to associate with magpies are shotgun pellets.
 
1:38 PM
They sing for lunch :p
tree top artist!
My mum dislikes magpie though, saying they are ugly and can't sing well - one of the most useless creatures in the world! I disagree ...
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I'm sure they make fine animal friends in Australia, (given the other choices of spiders/snakes etc). In the UK, they are pests that we like to blow up.
 
@MartinJames Eurasian magpies and Australian magpies are not the same specie althought they share the same name
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes butwai
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Well, I have to admit the YouTube ones you linked were kinda cute..
 
The cycle is complete.
 
Two implementations of unordered thing have different orders! INTERESTING!
 
Xeo
:)
 
:cripes:
 
Xeo
@chris Actually, it kinda fits - we will be up for very a very long time tonight :)
Apropos ... fuck, I forgot to review my Kanji the last 2 days :(
Stupid GN
 
1:47 PM
@Xeo Lol, except I just woke up not an hour ago.
 
I just used '(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻' in test code... that's getting committed for sure, I need to test unicode support too... honest
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@thecoshman throw unicode_exception(L"(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻"); ?
 
Hey MySQL don't you think it's time to implement transactional DDL.
 
@melak47 sample data
 
@thecoshman lol
@CatPlusPlus Who needs that?
No one needs guarantees that things work.
 
1:56 PM
yeah, my comments have a very distinctive tone :P
 
user1804599
Doesn't InnoDB have that?
 
That table flipping thing is getting extremely old, fyi
@not-rightfold No.
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
@CatPlusPlus ... ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
 
Xeo
@melak47 using table = unicode_exception; throw table(L"(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻");
 
user1804599
1:58 PM
Less funny. :V
 
Xeo
So you are wondering why an unordered container has different orders on different implementations compiled using different compilers running on different operating systems? — r_ahlskog 14 mins ago
haha
 
user1804599
There are no orders.
 
What's been ordered cannot be unordered.
 
user1804599
Fuck all these terrible stringly-typed APIs.
 
@not-rightfold but strings are slow flexible (tm)
 
2:07 PM
@not-rightfold I'm starting to hate template languages. Gimme HTML generators in plain C#. :<
 
@CatPlusPlus Razor seems nice.
 
Still a hell to refactor.
 
R# has Razor support AFAIK.
 
Plus, not checked during compilation.
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Something like blaze?
 
2:11 PM
@not-rightfold Yes.
 
user1804599
Write one.
 
@FredOverflow To be more specific, as long as the ratio is smaller than the golden mean, if the older blocks are contiguous, they'll eventually add up to a size large enough to satisfy the next allocation; if the ratio is larger than the golden mean, they can't (ever).
 
user1804599
VB.NET has XML literals. :P
 
@JerryCoffin Though bookkeeping throws it a bit off from the exact golden mean.
 
2:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right -- reduces the amount of storage available in that block size. Besides, 1.5 is a lot easier to compute.
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold So has AS3 :s
 
@not-rightfold That's only sorta half-cool.
 
Maybe Boo would be a nice way to template.
 
Xeo
> Just careful to not put managers as singleton that don't need to be.
Which means no manager singletons!
 
2:15 PM
@Xeo Does: "I literally vomited at the sight of all that XML!" count?
 
I used them in a previous job and would often fall back to explicit XElement and stuff.
 
user1804599
Wonderfül.
 
> Some things, like Texture manager, should definitely be in a singleton.
Heh.
 
user1804599
REPOST
 
> Managers, which pattern should I use
 
2:15 PM
Not emptyquote.
 
I'm done here.
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold Huh?
 
user1804599
The only thing I'm struggling with with Blaze-like HTML generators is the syntax.
 
> There was a time (not too long ago) when I couldn't figure out how to design a game without every manager being a singleton. It severely hampered progress, because global access led to global use, and bugs became ridiculously difficult to track down.
 
"...and I still don't!"
 
2:18 PM
I was recently called a savage because I drink my tea without milk.
 
Xeo
lol
Oh FFS. Thunderstorm.
 
@CatPlusPlus nah. As much as I like boo for its metaprogramming functionality, it is too fractured to turn into something bigger.
It's awesome for toying around.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean as a host for the view DSL.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes As if drinking a concoction of dried, crumbled-up plant leaves boiled in water wasn't enough to qualify as a savage.
 
This is scary now ... I have been doing google image search on members of this chat, I found this associated with a few of you lot
 
2:26 PM
@JerryCoffin As if drinking a concoction produced from the juice of pressed moldy grapes didn't.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Botrytis is a fungus, not a mold.
 
Mold is also a fungus, QED.
@JerryCoffin And you don't boil the leaves in water. You put the leaves in boiled water.
Savage.
 
I ate cows for dinner
 
My next task is fixing a bug in Eigen. Nice.
 
2:31 PM
wait ... cow carcase to be exact
I ate a portion of a dead cow, was that not savage?
 
it's benign is what it is
... dare I say... bovine?
 
humans are scavangers
 
No, they are not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't know if that quite qualifies for a "QED" -- your reasoning that all "molds are fungi, therefore the fungus in question must be a mold" shows a lack of education in logic or reasoning, but I'm not sure that quite qualifies as proof that you're a savage.
 
we eat dead animals and plants
 
2:33 PM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 we kill animals to eat, aka hunt, thus not scavangers
 
Mold is also a fungus, quantum electrodynamics.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do no such thing -- I don't drink tea. From what I'm told by the more benighted members of my family who do so, however, ideally the water doesn't boil at all -- if possible, it's best to stop heating it just short of boiling.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you savage, you should not bring the water to boiling point
 
@thecoshman err ... we farm food, we don't hunt for food?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 same difference. Point is, bar a few oddities, we do not eat thing we just found dead on ground. We actively kill things to eat them.
 
2:36 PM
@thecoshman And even if we did, we would be scavengers.
(Also, five-second rule)
 
gosh you made us sound so savage ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes bah, spelling matters not
 
user784668
Humans suck.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 If you eat meat, it's just a question of how hard somebody had to work to catch and kill the animals. If you don't eat meat...then you're just insane.
 
Xeo
Hm... is it possible to make Arrows .. binary?
 
2:38 PM
What do you mean?
They already are binary.
 
I eat meat because I appreciate the animals who sacrificed themselves in order to feed us - think about how sad they would be if they died in vain and we refused to eat them!
 
@JerryCoffin Turns out I'm the only sane person in my new dev team.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Eh? a ~> b doesn't seem very binary, since they all take tuples :/
 
a -> b -> c
Arrow a b c
 
@Xeo Erm, curry it? a ~> (b ~> c)
 
Xeo
2:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's what I'm trying to do right now.
Naive curry doesn't cut it though, obviously.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes my sympathy goes to you
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Seems like a 13th question to add to the Joel test.
 
user784668
The Joel test?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes they don't eat meaT?
 
Oh, nvm.
I'm dumb.
 
Xeo
2:41 PM
lol
 
@Xeo Arrow a => a b (a c d)
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus (Arrow a) => a b c :P
 
Yeah.
 
2:41 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol, fail
 
ARROWS ARE MAGIC OKAY
 
Xeo
haha
 
maybe your new dev team is a herd of lamb reincarnated!
 
Also a motion to use arr as the type variable from now on.
 
user784668
2:42 PM
arr arr
 
@CatPlusPlus @EtiennedeMartel told me friendship was magic. So, based on @R.MartinhoFernandes's logic, arrows are friendship.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus ~>!
 
Ooooh, I like that.
My Little Category: Arrows are Friendship.
5
 
I'd watch that.
 
It even makes sense!
 
2:43 PM
@JerryCoffin In Equestria, using magic = friendship;
 
In a twisted form of sense.
But it does!
 
We're broken. Broken.
 
a -> b, c->b // a does not necessarily equal to c
 
Arrows bring objects together.
 
it is like saying robor is a geek, Cat++ is a geek but robor != Cat++;
 
2:45 PM
Nobody sane would be me.
This stupid "do you want to terminate batch" shit is so fucking annoying.
cmd.exe is the worst.
 
@CatPlusPlus hahahahaha
 
on the other hand, if geeks contain cat++ & geeks contain robor, then geeks can contain both robor & cat++
 
Xeo
$ is right-associative, right?
 
user784668
Yes.
 
user784668
infixr 0 $
 
2:48 PM
:info ($)
 
Ugh, this Windows font rendering looks worse than Linux.
 
user784668
What Linux?
 
I LOVE WHEN ERROR PAGES TAKE A MINUTE TO RENDER
 
there aren't any goingnative vids up yet (other than the livestream), are there?
 
user784668
2:53 PM
You sure about that? I can easily make Linux font rendering be a total crap by just modifying a few environment variables.
 
@Fanael I'd be more impressed if you could make it not-total-crap
 
@Fanael Oh, good point.
 
I agree with you though, that screenshot isn't good, but it's not Linux-levels bad either
 
Still rendering.
 
@CatPlusPlus I bet it's going to be a beautiful error page though
 
user784668
2:54 PM
And by "total crap" I mean "way more fringes than actual rendered font".
 
It will be worth the wait
 
@jalf I actually just rebooted from Linux, and back there it looked awesome compared to this.
 
Loading, loading, loading, loading
 
hmm.
 
I'll never know what's broken
 
2:56 PM
your heart?
 
the aspect of the Internet I never really realized before: All those memes and videos and shit from decades ago are still online.
 
@CatPlusPlus I kind of suspect that the error page might be broken
 
nostalgia.
 
Do you even know what "decades" is?
(Are you 20+?)
@DeadMG lol, GEMA blocked
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
 
2:58 PM
@DeadMG And some people (like entire reddit) still think they're new and funny!
 
I've seen some stuff older than I am on the Internets (although the above wasn't)
@CatPlusPlus Ah well, at least I'm open that it's a nostalgia trip instead of actually funny still.
 
That related sidebar.
 

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