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3:00 PM
lol
 
RAILS WOULD YOU TELL ME WHAT'S BROKEN ALREADY
This is technology people use. Willingly. Fuck programming. Ugh.
 
Omg robor, we don't want to know your watch history!
 
Xeo
curryA :: (ArrowApply arr2, Arrow arr, Arrow arr1) => arr (arr2 (a, b) c) (arr1 a (arr2 b c))
this looks wrong
Maybe I'm composing app at the wrong time
 
Xeo
3:05 PM
:(
 
We don't want to know your watch history - that is between you and google and NSA
 
> Personally I've grown very icy on design patterns in general, certainly in the context of educating people who don't have much experience in software design. That's how you end up people writing singletons that make no sense. Not only that but a lot of design patterns would make no sense whatsoever to an average lower level undergraduate student, except as things to memorize.
> At that point in time they've barely written code beyond a few files large. How do you expect them to grasp what a decorator or factory is for? I'd actually be inclined to kick a design patterns course up to graduate level and let the seniors take it after they've been through a design project or two.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hello, tits.
 
Google would know which perverts to not hire
 
3:16 PM
@EtiennedeMartel yes, this is tits (.(.)
 
although speaking of which google is very incestous - colleagues humping colleagues
 
@MartinJames: 44.5 pounds.
 
DUDE YOU ARE DISAPPEARING
 
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@thecoshman A bit mutant.
 
3:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Plenty more to go.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... in what way?
 
@DeadMG It's still tiny little you-parts going away!
 
Is Martin drunk?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good.
 
Nah, too coherent.
 
Xeo
3:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think that was actually correct.
 
He's probably high.
 
@EtiennedeMartel He's just pissed (well, the mad -- well, the angry kind of mad, not the crazy kind of mad -- kind of pissed, not the drunk kind of pissed) that the puppy manages to lose so many tiny little puppy-pieces.
 
Tonight, I'm getting drunk. Because it was my birthday two days ago and I didn't get to make any bad decision then.
 
JBL
So.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, right, I forgot there was a second Martin in here. I was talking about youuuu.
 
3:20 PM
That's art right there, folks.
 
@EtiennedeMartel happy belated birthday
 
@EtiennedeMartel I haven't drank alcohol since Tuesday.
Well, technically Wednesday.
 
All I got was this huge plate of poutine. Hmmmm.
AND NOW SOME CÉLINE DION.
 
@EtiennedeMartel WTF is it everybody's birthday this week?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, that kind of tuesday.
 
JBL
3:21 PM
I'm officially an engineer. Yay. Let's move on.
@EtiennedeMartel Argh !
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes September, bitch. The best month.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes a few of my friends' birthdays was 2 weeks ago
 
That reminds me... some folks still owe me a birthday togetherisation.
 
@JBL J'IRAI OÙ TU IRAAAAS
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Back in Portugal?
 
3:22 PM
@sehe Nah, Berlin.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's even funnier than in English
 
Because R is a full fledged Berliner now.
 
@sehe Oh. It clicked now.
Oh.
 
Seriously, that song.
Featuring Jean-Jacques Goldman because fuck it.
 
My birthday is on the 3rd next month
 
JBL
3:24 PM
@EtiennedeMartel No thank you. Last thing I need is Céline Dion following me.
 
your grandma is turning 65
just joking
 
JBL
@EtiennedeMartel There's a whole buzz at the moment with lot of stars that sing Goldman songs. Seems to piss even Goldman himself.
 
@JBL Well, of course. The guy has actual talent, I'm sure he's pissed off by all these hacks crapping over his work.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes mmmm? how do you know how tiny his parts are :/
 
JBL
@EtiennedeMartel Pretty much
 
3:27 PM
Apr 28 at 22:11, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@sbi Meh, shit happened. One of the people that were going to be along was stuck in Stockholm; a couple that was also supposed to be along spent the day in the hospital because of pregnancy complications. That left two people that could show up, including me. :|
God-fucking-dammit that was hard to find.
 
Gosh I need to stop food poisoning myself
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I actually remember that
 
SAM
Hi
 
iH
 
1.5 litre cold fruit juice does not go with half cooked beef and leafy salad!
 
SAM
3:29 PM
30 minutes...
 
 
Apparently we're starting the morning off with a talk by Aleš Holeček on "C++ and the Windows Runtime" #GoingNative2013
 
Hmm, this is Microsoft focused day of GN?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes The agenda doesn't seem to have much Microsoft on it, though
 
3:39 PM
@Xeo That's how they lure you in!
 
@CatPlusPlus I strongly agree
 
@FredOverflow Yes
 
@FredOverflow I've pinned it pending the confirmation
 
3:44 PM
I borked something.
 
Why?
 
Manwë is rejecting Varda.
 
@FredOverflow Sensing a pattern here.
 
We should try tomorrow if there's fourth stream ;)
 
That's the secret part where they plan what parts of C++14 will be the trolls.
Wait, that's already decided.
 
SAM
3:50 PM
ok 9 minutes
 
It's starting ;________;
 
Xeo
That room is still alive? :P
 
Well, it used to be more alive when @not-rightfold was more enthusiastic about Haskell than he is now, but yeah, it's relatively alive.
 
any good?
 
3:56 PM
I can't manage talking in more than one room.
 
@ÓlafurWaage NO IDEA IT'S NOT GRAVITY I WANT TO SEE GRAVITY I BUILT UP EXPECTATIONS SO HIGH I WILL BE SO DISAPPOINTED.
 
26% on rotten
 
@ÓlafurWaage That guy is too funny to be taken seriously.
 
i liked butterfly effect
 
My second DVD player got stolen with Butterfly Effect in it. I don't like that movie anymore.
 
4:00 PM
a lot of short talks today
 
lol I love American movies ... watched half of the trailer and thought, damn why did that seem to be so familiar? Oh wait, isn't that almost the same theme as 'The Social Network'?
 
@ÓlafurWaage std::vector<short> talks;
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 just watch pirates of silicon valley, same story
std::list<short> talks
 
Or Pirates of the Caribbean.
 
the talks are not random access
 
4:01 PM
It's every movie ever.
 
@ÓlafurWaage They will be in the future.
 
OH MY
 
Is that 007 talking?
 
I think I've finished this task.
 
yup, then the list will be copied over to a vector
 
4:02 PM
speak of which I have not watched any TV or movies for ages
 
AND IT WORKS
 
@CatPlusPlus WEEKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEND
 
One more to do.
And then WEEKWEEKEND!
Well, two, I have to deploy this crap to Azure.
 
I am startlingly starting to realise I might sound like a thirteen year old.
 
startingly starting?
 
4:03 PM
Is that why you asked if I was drunk, @Etienne?
@Borgleader Nah, twas accidental.
 
@Borgleader Woohoo, Algo week 3 lectures are up!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
 
@FredOverflow Nice :)
 
But, as I said, too coherent.
 
@FredOverflow is erlang being discussed there?
 
4:05 PM
@Borgleader It appears I can't neither write nor speak that sentence properly.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In hex?
 
@bamboon Are you kidding? not-rightfold is wearing a T-shirt with "Ask me about Erlang!" written all over it.
 
Thirteen is thirteen.
Hexadecimal notation does not use English words.
 
posted on September 06, 2013

Do programs exist in order to tell computers what to do, or do computers exist in order to execute programs?

 
I'm not sure.
 
4:06 PM
It uses digits and letters.
 
Feeds, shut up
 
@FredOverflow Oh btw, I hand tweaked Sedgewick's sequence and it seems to have given me a very small sped boost over a 10 000 element sort. I noticed all of his sequence numbers were odd. So I applied the following modification: +0, -1, +0, +1, ...
 
13 in hexadecimal is read as either "nineteen" or "sixteen and three" or "one-three in hex". "Thirteen" is just wrong.
 
one three, or thirteen hex or hex thirteen
 
(Old pet peeve)
@ÓlafurWaage "Thirteen hex" is D
 
4:08 PM
it is whatever I want it to be
:P
 
I'm the robot here. I am the one dictating how to read hex, k?
 
In other news, Varda and Manwë are doing it again. Nice.
 
Robor: you don't seem to be alright lately, what happened?
 
securety
 
4:10 PM
securetty?
 
secure arrietty!
 
Anyone run windows/linux on a tablet on a regular basis?
 
@ÓlafurWaage Android counts, no?
 
We have a Win8 tablet where we test our mind reading technology at work.
 
4:11 PM
lol
 
@ÓlafurWaage I have an android tablet ;)
 
Wondering how the tablet market is for linux
 
@ÓlafurWaage Then please rephrase the question?
 
3 mins ago, by Ólafur Waage
no
 
Thinking about running regular linux distros on a tablet, connect a keyboard/mouse to it to program
 
4:12 PM
@ÓlafurWaage If android doesn't count, then I'd say inexistant
 
basicly a laptop replacement that is also a tablet
 
@FredOverflow haha good to know
 
@ÓlafurWaage If Android doesn't count, that's like asking how the tablet market is for the Mach kernel family
 
> Wondering how the tablet market is for linux
 
4:15 PM
This talk is long.
 
that's a windows tablet...
 
"Anyone run windows/linux on a tablet on a regular basis?"
 
user1804599
 
that's an assembly tablet
 
@ÓlafurWaage Right, and then you wondered about the linux tablet market to which i said inexistant (if android doesn't count) and i believe @sehe was answering to that statement as well.
 
user1804599
Why would you buy a tablet?
 
Can doesn't mean many people do.
 
I don't own a tablet, just wondering what the state of linux distros on tablets is
How it is progressing, if there is any interest in using it
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess $$$ really doesn't make sense except for toy-code, and maybe testing, since arrows are based around composition :/
 
The only linux "tablet" I heard of was actually a phone
 
4:21 PM
Since it could be handy to have a tablet for little quick things but have the availability to connect a keyboard/mouse to do some coding
 
SAM
Damn .... can't read that image due to the lack of video clarity....
 
Xeo
@ÓlafurWaage Isn't Android a Linux distro? :P
 
Yes
Not thinking of it in such a way
 
@Xeo Android is too mainstream :P
 
@Xeo That one doesn't have a primitive for the arr $ \() -> x dance should tip one off.
 
Xeo
4:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I guess
 
@sehe do you use tmux?
 
The Learn more about the Ubuntu experience on tablets › link on ubuntu's website leaded to a 404 page lol
 
@Borgleader That's all you need to learn, I guess.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't. I still stick with screen. Why?
 
I can't get my window numbering to start from 1.
 
4:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes as opposed to... 42?
 
@sehe As opposed to 0.
0 is annoying because the key positions don't match the window positions on the status bar.
 
Simple, add another keyboard layout, switch kb layout, switch tmux window, switch kb layout back :/
Isn't there a way to simple rebind the keys inside tmux, by the way? It works that way in screen AFAIR
 
Well, there's actually set -g base-index 1 to supposedly do what I want.
But... it does not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Perhaps it only works from (?) a .tmuxrc or similar
 
I have it there.
(.tmux.conf)
 
4:29 PM
It's still the Windows guy? (GN2013)
 
Then... I'm flubbed. And flabbered. Super User is your destination
 
@Borgleader yes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And he already announced that the next speaker will be on the same (kind of) topics
 
Isn't it threading next? Or did they throw the schedule out the window?
 
Maybe, it's in a background talk?
 
4:30 PM
@sehe I don't want to go there before I gather more info (the question exists there, and with the answer I have not working)
 
@Borgleader They certainly didn't throw the Windows out of the schedule!
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah. aha. Time to CFLAGS='-g -DDEBUG' apt-get source tmux --compile then
 
Xeo
Did they throw the schedule out of the Window, then?
Oh wait, that was already above :(
I'm scatterbrained today
 
@Xeo See, it's about threading in a way. This was just a demo of ABA
 
@sehe Meh, if I'm re-compiling it, I'll just patch it and make one the default.
(Whatever they say, it's a bug)
 
No respect on the interwebs. Sigh.
 
4:38 PM
@Pawnguy7 lol
 
A Wild Angel Appears Someone is boat-programming on a white boat
 
SAM
lightning storm? last night?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there's also pane-base-index (I have no clue whether that makes any sense here)
 
Today (or last night) I went to this meeting, planning for the next overnight hiking trip. We started to discuss about carpooling. Because I fell asleep on the wheel back from last overnight hiking trip, I decided to join someone else's car. I said "I can drive to your place if it's convenient for you". This lady started to accurse me for intruding people's privacy. Then she went on get intimate with all the older guys, including one whose girlfriend was sitting right next to him.
The guy's girlfriend & I just looked at each other, lolz
I never had a problem with the people on hiking trips, I hope she does not ruin it
 
@sehe I have both (that's for splits within a window, which I don't mind much as I use spatial navigation or just toggle between two for those; doesn't work either, though)
 
4:46 PM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Kill her.
 
What is the name for...like, the more people you have, the more join?
 
viral effect?
 
posted on September 06, 2013 by Eric Battalio

Day 3 has kicked off, check http://channel9.msdn.com/?rnd=1378482692602 to catch the latest. Sessions run the gamut, from C++ and the Windows Runtime to Exploding Tuples and another Q&A forum. See you online!

 
@Pawnguy7 snowball?
 
Xeo
Snowden?
 
4:48 PM
@StackedCrooked LOL, that's the funny part: she doesn't mind go hiking with a bunch of people she does not know well and sleep together with them at night, but she minds people knowing her address - like as if people could not find out her address if they really wanted to? But why would we want to? She's 50+ and had face full of makeups ... bitchy slutty and not friendly
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Indeed think it's bugged: having that changed ^b1 to switch to the first window, but ^bq still identifies is as "0" on screen
 
@Borgleader That might be it. Though once it reaches mass, viral might also be part of it.
 
critical mass
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 sounds like a nutcase
 
4:50 PM
@sehe Here, ^b1 switches to the second :S
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes amazing. lemme try something else (btw tmux 1.6, deb package)
 
@Xeo lol
 
@sehe Can you try remapping ^b to ^a and checking?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahahaha. config for that?
 
Sec.
set -g prefix C-a
 
4:52 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes No difference: ^a0 (window not found), ^a1 (selects current window :), ^a2 (window not found). Also, ^aq still identifies with "0" (go figure).
 
@StackedCrooked lol, I don't mind sluts, but I don't like bitchy sluts
 
I also prefer kind sluts.
2
 
Meanwhile in the Lounge...
 
that the letter l and h. not 1. — Borgleader 20 secs ago
second person i see confuse l and 1 in 2 days
 
4:53 PM
set -g prefix C-a
set -g base-index 1
 
@Borgleader Sigh.
@sehe :<
$ tmux -V?
 
^ is my actual exact ~/.tmux.conf (spaces and tabs? broken parsing?)
4 mins ago, by sehe
@R.MartinhoFernandes amazing. lemme try something else (btw tmux 1.6, deb package)
 
K.
Mine is 1.7...
Argh.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, lemme fetch the git quickly
Trying tmux 1.8
 
@sehe Pretty sure it's not any of that as it's the only thing that does not work, and I have peered directly at the bits already looking for it.
 
4:56 PM
ack.
 
@sehe I have 1.8 on the other box and it is also not working :/
 
This guy is like really nervous.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes tmux 1.8 workses in precisely the same way as 1.6 on my box. I can't imagine a second ABA-Erlebniß in so little time
 
why is it that every GUI framework ever is written by people who don't know shit about how to code?
 
@DeadMG Who syned?
 
4:56 PM
is it some kind of pre-requisite?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Who sinned?
 
@Xeo I saw a Cinder reference on GoingNative.
so I checked it out.
their sample code gave me cancer
 
Xeo
Was nice knowing you.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd very much try removing .tmux.conf and putting a very spartan one back. Preferrably typed from scratch (encodings, spaces, general paranoia). Perhaps your .tmux.conf has strange permissions, etc.
 
ITT Puppy is about to die.
 
4:58 PM
@DeadMG idk, but imo WPF is nice.
 
@sehe It's weird that only this fails, though. It's a symlink, Imma try with a real file.
 
@Borgleader WPF is a fucking sin.
 
@DeadMG That's highly effective code, then
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahahaha. That's gonna be it :/
I'm away from keyboard; dinner is calling.
Thanks for forcing me to try tmux once. I accidentally ^b" and I loved it :/
 

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