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12:04 AM
 
I want to take my duvet and make a burrito of myself.
 
do it
 
My duvet is upstairs. I'm not.
 
we should make sushi burritos
 
@Morwenn New quest: Fetch the duvet!
 
12:13 AM
@Borgleader Only after I finish my rosé.
 
@Morwenn You'll be the drunkest lil burrito :)
 
@Borgleader Drunkest? Haha, no :D
You surely don't want to see me in my drunkest state.
 
@Morwenn once you become burrito you will not be brrr at all
It's a stretch, yes. But it's a warm and comfy stretch.
 
I was so drunk once that I vomited blood.
 
That's, uh.
 
12:16 AM
color me impressed. I assume you were all right?
 
Something.
 
@jaggedSpire Duvet burrito is warmest burrito :3
 
@Morwenn :3
@ThePhD How was test?
 
fun fun fun?
 
12:17 AM
Fun, but I ran out of time.
 
awh
 
And I KNEW how to sovle the last problem too
So what I did was write out the steps of what I would do
and got partway through the proble.
 
@Morwenn That's kind of scary sounding.
 
:( it's the worst when you run out of time
 
Verily.
 
12:18 AM
@ThePhD :)
 
A normal smile, and not a catface?
Who're you and what've you done with jagged?
Also, tomorrow is C++ test. \o/
 
@JerryCoffin I don't remember actually, it was my first blackout.
 
@ThePhD :P I do the normal face when neither you nor I are suggesting something mildly insane b/c of overwork implications
 
@Morwenn o.O ... how much did you drink?
 
@ThePhD :D
 
12:19 AM
@ThePhD you better wreck it
 
I"M GONNA WRECK IT.
 
Friends told me it was really black. Then they had to strip me and to support me in the shower.
 
wreck the test before you check the test
 
@Borgleader I don't remember but I'm pretty sure I drank more since that time.
 
and then wreck it again for being a test
 
12:25 AM
@Morwenn s/Morwenn/Morwine/
amirite?
 
@Borgleader Moarwine
 
@Morwenn Hmm...I sometimes wonder if my mis-spent youth wasn't wasted in the wrong ways. I've never drunk to the point of passing out.
 
@JerryCoffin I'm sure you mis-spent it plenty. :)
 
@jaggedSpire Yes, but if I'd spent more on drinking and less on rock concerts, maybe I'd still be able to hear...
 
@JerryCoffin But then you wouldn't have gone to rock concerts
 
12:28 AM
@JerryCoffin I did a few times. It was never a goal per se but the more you drink, the less you think about this kind of things. I can't say that it's pleasant.
@JerryCoffin I wear ear plugs when I go at rock concerts.
 
@jaggedSpire This is undoubtedly true. Missing some, however, would have been no loss. A few I thought were pointless ended up great though.
@Morwenn I clearly should have, but never did.
 
@JerryCoffin I do it mostly because I'm part of a band. Since I'm next to the drums, I have to wear them. Otherwise I'd already have problems like our drummer.
Ugh, it's already this late.
 
@Morwenn What do you play?
 
I'm going to burrito myself. Have a good night! :)
@Borgleader The recorder.
 
@Morwenn you too
 
12:33 AM
@jaggedSpire Thanks ^_^
 
@Morwenn Good night :)
 
@Borgleader :3
 
@Morwenn May your nights be warm and tightly wrapped
 
Yeah, just like my...
 
duvet
 
12:36 AM
@Morwenn G'night.
 
mernin
 
Its like 7:45
Whats the new hip music streaming service?
 
@Mikhail Real hipsters only listen to live music (in back-alley art galleries).
 
12:51 AM
or the back alley itself, for connoisseurs
 
@LucDanton Good point. Oh, and good morning.
 
> In parts of South America, especially in Venezuela, capybara meat is popular during Lent and Holy Week as the Catholic Church previously gave a special dispensation that allows for its consumption while other meats are generally forbidden.
I knew the exception for the beaver, but not for the capybara. Thanks, David. cc @GregorMcGregor
 
why is it not a catholic meat?
 
@jaggedSpire What?
 
/not a meat for the purposes of lent
 
12:56 AM
Because the bishop said so, presumably.
Were you expecting something sensible?
 
Well, I recall (though maybe falsely) that beaver is considered fish instead of meat because it swims and therefore is a fish as far as the Catholic church is concerned. I figured there was something similar behind capybara.
 
Also the puffin etc.
It all falls under 'the bishop said so and the pope agrees'
> However the biologist and nutritionist of Rouen at the time spent several weeks in culinary experiments, which they present to the archbishop, who upon seeing the facts, over turned his division.
etc.
> obtained a papal bull approving the capybara for lenten dining because of its amphibious habits.
 
fair enough. I figured there was some sort of logic where "It's amphibious -> fish"
fish -> okay
 
gives this as a source, can’t verify myself
 
@LucDanton I thought that was common knowledge.
burn the witch
 
1:05 AM
@LucDanton FWIW, I believe alligator meat is allowed as well (though this is arguably closer to sensible, since alligators are at least cold-blooded like fish).
 
I need to convert my tmatrix4<T> classes into a generic tmatrix<T, n, m> class.
And then I need to add base specializations like I did for tvector<T, n>
In fact, tvector<T, n> should just be a specialization of tmatrix<T, n, m>
Ugh. That's a lot of refactoring to do...
But the benefits as far as code reuse and readability would be humongous.
I also need to make a more iterator-friendly interface.
BAH. So much to be done. So little time.
 
Um, use eigen?
 
That sounds like it'd probably be a better idea.
 
Very useful considering you will never use anything above m4x4
 
Yeah, but I'm already having to dupe code for 2x2, 3x3 matrices.
 
Ell
1:14 AM
Hr might be solving equations numerically
 
No he's doing OpenGL
 
Ell
Who nose
 
Use GLM?
 
I'm doing DirectX / OpenGL.
 
Ell
Just use glm then innit
Or eigen
 
1:15 AM
I nose
 
Ell
Or sommat such
 
Or don't template them because there are only 3 types of matrixes
 
The type template doesn't really cost me anything.
It's the unification of the interfaces I have to be careful of.
 
matrix1, Matrix_A and ArrayArray
 
That and I have, like
 
1:17 AM
From the E&M junk I've done, its best to get very long equations from mathematica and then have ICC figure out how to deal with them. Also use long arrays for each component, as opposed to array of matrixes.
 
Ell
I feel like array of structure vs structure of array ought to be able to be automated or optimized by the compiler
Well I think it'd be a cool feature
 
Isn't structure of array always fastest?
 
depends on your access pattern
 
linear
 
linear in what
do you process an image pixel by pixel or channel by channel
 
1:22 AM
If your access pattern isn't sequential then you already have defacto structures
 
I'm sooo sick.
@ScottW Seriously.
 
Sequentiality doesn't matter
It's how you access the components
 
I think I have a cold -_-.
 
SEQUENTIALLY
Like ptr=ptr+1
 
And it's not extreme enough yet so I'll have to go to school tomorrow anyway.
 
1:23 AM
@Mikhail you don't get it lol
group together things that are accessed together
sequentiality not relevant
 
Anybody know a robust strategy to down-sample images while preserving dynamic range? I want to generate a pyramid from a large 10GP image. When using fixed-point the contrast goes down at each level in the pyramid. Anybody know a way to keep the contrast stable?
 
Ell
Use a subdermal trilinear noise reduction tractor
 
1:42 AM
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Q: I can directly access std::array's data, is this a defect?

user5438884One of the consequences of std::array is that its implementation-defined data must be public or else it will no longer be an aggregate. This allows me to do stuff like this: #include <array> #include <iostream> int main() { std::array<int, 5> arr{1, 2, 3, 4, 5}; #if defined(_LIBCPP_VERS...

 
How many committee members can dance on the head of a pin?
 
how many?
 
1:55 AM
Lol, so this exists: zizekstudies.org/index.php/ijzs
 
@CaptainObvlious I've already done my research. Your flippant comment demonstrates that you have nothing to bring to the table, however. — user5438884 31 secs ago
/cc @LucDanton
fire ze downvotes
 
I just saw that
too full for popcorn :(
 
@sehe I think I got it :)
auto const inner_comment_def = *(char_ - "/*") > comment > *(char_ - "*/");
auto const comment_def = "/*" > inner_comment > "*/";
i can go to bed now, night all
 
btw var/val instead of auto/auto const because typing
or mut
 
oh no the syntax
I should use that one more often
There is no rule stating that I can't use an identifier with a reserved name, just that declaring or defining one results in undefined behavior. Furthermore, "undefined behavior" does not mean "illegal", in standardese or not. — user5438884 18 mins ago
I’ve thought about that comment for some now and I honestly believe it’s a masterful troll.
The wording is carefully slippery so as to make the position look reasonable.
 
2:09 AM
Ah
None of the germans are awake
I don't know how to say "Only for you", in German. ;~;
 
Ich liebe dick
 
@GregorMcGregor Gotta capitalize those nouns.
 
I, uh.
I don't think that's how it works.
 
@LucDanton Or someone who's really anal
 
@ThePhD Yeah it is.
You can say "just for you": Nur fur dich.
With the fancy "u" I'm can't be bothered to copy paste.
 
2:13 AM
@GregorMcGregor I don’t see it. For one, the first sentence is entirely useless.
It’s however well designed for twisting your brain :v
 
@Nooble ü? press quote + u (international US layout)
 
Or add more e’s.
 
@GregorMcGregor Doesn't work on my keyboard :(
 
probably not international layout
Which by the way I find better than the French layout even when typing in French ._.
 
guys
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Q: C++, const reference is actually faster than move?

LevonAfter testing this code: #include <iostream> #include <chrono> #include <vector> #include <string> void x(std::vector<std::string>&& v){ } void y(const std::vector<std::string>& v) { } int main() { std::vector<std::string> v = {}; auto tp = std::chrono::high_resolution_clock::now()...

lol
 
2:18 AM
@VermillionAzure Noooo std=c++11.
 
@GregorMcGregor That’s not saying much.
 
@GregorMcGregor Yeah I have an ANSI keyboard, not ISO.
 
@Nooble It's funny because he's not actually using move semantics
 
@VermillionAzure Yes yes.
 
x(int&){} y(int&&){} //WHY IS Y FASTER THAN X!!!
 
2:23 AM
I don’t get it
 
@LucDanton The question I posted has this guy saying, why is my copying function faster than my moving function when both functions do nothing
The reason is because the functions literally do nothing but have a single return instruction and the move version calls the std::move() function
 
whoosh
 
@Nooble hey don’t make fun of me
 
@LucDanton Sorry Luc.
 
@VermillionAzure what do you mean
he clearly used std::move so it should be faster than const&
 
2:29 AM
@GregorMcGregor just look at the assembly
 
yes the move gets optimized into a const& which is turned into rape ret
why are you surprised
Also your claim that "All things else being constant" is vacuous because any meaningful program must modify state and hence cannot be constant
 
@GregorMcGregor if I have two functions
one does nothing, one calls std::move()
the one that calls a function should be slower
 
std::move() is magic, I am not sure its even a real function
 
hmmmmmm
 
@GregorMcGregor Yes you're right I suppose
That's strange...
Maybe I linked the wrong example...
Wow that's really confusing
@Mikhail Looks like it's a real boy?
 
Dat cast
 
@Mikhail just a bunch of compiler casting and stuff right?
 
36
Q: How does std::move() transfer values into RValues?

Dean SeoI just found myself not fully understanding the logic of std::move(). At first, I googled it but seems like there are only documents about how to use std::move(), not how its structure works. I mean, I know what the template member function is but when I look into std::move() definition in VS2...

Its really all in the reference collapsing, which I didn't know was a thing
 
@Mikhail still don't understand it
 
2:46 AM
Its in the SO answer
 
@Mikhail Trying to but cannot
and I found a better example: goo.gl/1xiSS2
 
Your claim that calling move has a runtime cost is wrong btw
 
@GregorMcGregor In certain situations the semantics that it enforces may
 
What about the situation above?
What results in the difference in assembly?
 
2:56 AM
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Q: What are move semantics?

dicroceI just finished listening to the Software Engineering radio podcast interview with Scott Meyers regarding C++0x. Most of the new features made sense to me, and I am actually excited about C++0x now, with the exception of one. I still don't get move semantics... What are they exactly?

 
@GregorMcGregor Wait then what results in the difference in the assembly?
Ughhh
 
@jaggedSpire chokes
 
Not the move obviously
 
@GregorMcGregor Yeahhh looks like you're right.
 
Of course I am, I'm Gregor McGregor after all
 
3:01 AM
It's very confusing though, this && & or & && and stuff
 
@nick pulls out
 
@nick It's delicious.
 
681
Q: What are move semantics?

dicroceI just finished listening to the Software Engineering radio podcast interview with Scott Meyers regarding C++0x. Most of the new features made sense to me, and I am actually excited about C++0x now, with the exception of one. I still don't get move semantics... What are they exactly?

just read it for fuck sake
 
@GregorMcGregor No I'm reading the std::move thing
 
@GregorMcGregor are you sure you're not a small insect that lives underground for 13 years before emerging and laying waste to the eastern US
@Nooble ah thanks :')
 
3:02 AM
@nick oh he's laying waste to something, all right
 
And yes I know what the move semantics are for; it's not a function but a way of specifying the convention where we can "steal" things or whatever
 
the truth?
 
@nick The cycle duration depends on the species btw, it's very interesting because it's always prime numbers
@VermillionAzure This is why immigrants love move semantics
 
@GregorMcGregor What If Cicadas Arent Actually Bugs Theyre A Super Compooter
 
@nick cute nose
 
3:03 AM
@GregorMcGregor Well the entire point of move semantics is to not copy when you can simply move it or change ownership
 
Guys, I keep reading articles lately about how x language is not always the right language for the job and how you shouldn't always stick to the same tools, frameworks, languages and libraries for all of your projects. So that means you need to see each time which ones would be the best fit for what you intend to do.

But what they don't seem to cover an d what I don't get is how do i determine what frameworks/languages and tools i _should_ use? I mean, most of them can provide the neccessary magic to do most things that most websites are already used for anyway...
 
Damn.
 
Isn't that one of the uses?
 
@nick What if Cicada Is A Supercomputer
 
@Nooble that was a tear of relief
 
3:04 AM
@popshuvit Uhhhh what
 
@popshuvit have a goal in mind, pick a modern tool with good support, and go with it
 
1) Google 2) Try for yourself
 
@nick JavaScript for everything.
 
jQuery!
for everything
 
Also boost.
 
3:05 AM
@VermillionAzure Then what's the big fuckin deal then? That's what I've been doing this whole time. If it's that simple, why write a whole bloody article about it?!
 
because PR
 
fmd
 
are you a web "developer" btw?
 
cuz you searched for those articles and read them
 
because webdevs need to rewrite everything using a brand new tech every couple months
that's part of the webdev experience
 
3:06 AM
@jaggedSpire he has feelings too you know
 
yeah i am. but i just get so confused with these bs articles all the time. they make me feel like i'm doing something wrong
 
@nick :( I'm sorry, Cicada
 
@GregorMcGregor I'll have you know Node.js has been out for years, and so has frameworks like Express which are still very commonly used so get educated son
 
I use potato.js
 
@jaggedSpire iz ok
@GregorMcGregor i wonder if that is a thing
 
3:07 AM
I use Potatr.js
 
@GregorMcGregor is it open source, for potatoes?
 
Tatr.js
 
npmjs.com/package/potato SOMEONE FUCKING TOOK THE NAME
 
you're the potato expert here
 
yeah you really should promote more
 
3:09 AM
> Potato is a CoffeeScript micro-framework focused on composition. It relies on its own object model, whose syntax might recall that of an ORM.
 
be a "tech evangelist" and tour the world telling people how potato.js is gonna change the world
meanwhile making tons of sales
 
If this doesn't scream I AM HIPSTER then I don't know what does
 
@GregorMcGregor someone screaming "I AM HIPSTER"
 
@GregorMcGregor I have literally know idea what the intended purpose of it is
 
> know
 
3:10 AM
i hate myself
i will leave that error in as a reminder to myself
 
@nick don't worry, the lounge will make up for all that hate. <3
 
So my phone camera is actually decent.
 
wot
 
post selfie pls
 
already has selfie, look at avatar
 
3:12 AM
pls post nubile selfie
 
@Nooble, nick doesn't think a koala can look like you do in real life
 
@jaggedSpire I'm flattered.
 
3:30 AM
@jaggedSpire !Fuck
...
 
@Nooble k
 
you suck
 
:(
@Nooble chokes
so cute
 
Yeah I hate markdown.
 
what do you use that toy for
 
3:32 AM
@Nooble you should try LaTeX instead.
:3
 
@nick It's not mine.
Took that picture to a friend's house, hence the second laptop.
 
and the second keyboard
 
@nick Her enter key broke apparently.
 
Good thing you had a spare pok3r in your backpack right.
 
Haha.
 
3:36 AM
Hah.
 
Ha.
 
chokes
I got so little done today I am ashamed of myself
 
Welcome to every day for me
 
Imgur doesn't like 5K images.
 
@GregorMcGregor How do you live with yourself?
 
3:38 AM
Alone.
@jaggedSpire I wanted to take it home :c
 
@nick not very well
 
You already have enough toys last I checked
@GregorMcGregor :/
 
Hey guys
 
Hello
 
@Nooble :c
 
3:44 AM
I was wondering if Heap-sort is greedy. My knowledge so far says it is, since at every step e chose the max value from heap -- this makes it suboptimal.
Is my argument fair enough
 
@jaggedSpire I took plenty of pictures of the thing though, enough to last me forever~~
 
how would that make it suboptimal?
 
@Nooble :) you could make your own
 
@jaggedSpire Oh but I don't have knitting needles.
 
I mean, selecting the max at every step make our array partially sorted towards the end
 
3:46 AM
@Nooble sharpen some wood chopsticks
 
@jaggedSpire Hmm I suppose I can try.
 
@nick, I think I'll have to polish my statement even further. "At every step, the maximum is extracted and put at the end of the array -- this makes the array partially sorted towards the end. Since we always choose what is the best possible option to increase the length of the sorted part, the algorithm is greedy".
Does it make sense to you?
 
Mm I see what you're saying, but I'm not sure if that qualifies as a greedy algorithm
@GregorMcGregor You know about this stuff
 
set your permissions you twat
 
3:59 AM
Man I suck.
 
@nick what
 
@GregorMcGregor does heapsort qualify as a greedy algorithm
 

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