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sbi
7:00 PM
@melak47 That one came out of RecursiveGlob() which (I think was written here and) seems to return a list of some file name objects, rather than plain strings...
 
@BartekBanachewicz grabs the nearest haskell book
;)
 
Aww shit
Midterm grade released for Linear Algebra
lets see how I did
 
@Borgleader heheh
 
Hell yeah!
Fuckin 93%!
Get rekt, test.
A minus, bitches!
A minus.
 
@ThePhD -
 
7:04 PM
@sbi There, fixed.
 
@ThePhD Nice
 
@ThePhD gg
 
8
A: What's the best way to edit GitHub's Readme.md?

MaximI'm using Atom, it's a text editor by Github You can have a side by side preview

Atom is a github product? TIL
 
which doesn't help it at all
 
C++ midterm in 3 hours. But the real gauntlet is next week. 4 exams. Intro Stats & Probs, Fundamentals of Computer Systems (doing the worst in those 2), Physics (doing okay) and Music Humanities (doing p. good, by my judgements).
 
7:07 PM
@Mr.kbok OMG, that is evil.
 
.... Wait, that's FOUR exams. Topkek, I can't count already? Gg.
 
@ThePhD Off by one, how typical. :D
 
@wilx q_q I jinxed myself.
 
IRTA jizzed
 
@fredoverflow are you 6 months late on all news? You might want to check your internet connection. :)
 
7:11 PM
is atom any good? I'm currently using ST3 but the purchase pop up really annoys me(and I don't have any money)
 
> I want to do BS in software engineering at home. Is it possible?
I guess you can do BS everywhere
 
sbi
I thought C++11 allowed nested classes to have access to their surrounding classes' private parts? Do I remember this wrong?
 
@sbi That's Java
 
@sbi I don't think you're wrong.
 
7:12 PM
@sbi yes
 
sbi
@Jefffrey While this might well be, I wouldn't know about it then. :)
 
Although you can do BS wherever you work, it's better to avoid it. — Andy Thomas 46 secs ago
 
@Jefffrey that's for non-static. He means nested types are implicit friends (I think)
 
sbi
@Morwenn Ah, OK. So I must be doing something wrong, then. Is there any conditions that must be fulfilled for this? /cc @sehe
 
@sehe Oh
 
7:14 PM
> Declarations in a nested class can use any members of the enclosing class, following the usual usage rules for the non-static members.
 
@sbi Looking at my code, the answer should just be plain 'yes', no special conditions required.
 
sbi
@sehe Ah, they're implicit friends! That just means they can get at it if they have a reference to an object of their surrounding class.
Damn, it's late, I'M making silly mistakes...
@ThePhD ^
Well, whether I pass *this or some_member doesn't make any difference, really.
Mhmm. Still, it's inconvenient having to pass this member every time.
 
@AlejandroDíaz Google "sublime text 3 crack", click first result (gist.github.com), find your version and OS
 
Don't do crack, man, it's going to destroy your life.
 
@AnalPhabet thank you!
 
7:17 PM
@AlejandroDíaz :D
 
@ElimGarak crack is still better than atom apparently
 
verily so
 
sbi
So one person writing software is helping another person writing software to crack a piece of software that's written by people who have to make a living off its earnings.
 
It's 70$, matey
 
user1804599
7:23 PM
Use Emacs.
 
Ewww, no
 
user1804599
It's better and free.
 
user1804599
And originally created by a badass.
 
@AnalPhabet Just press Esc after every Ctrl+S
 
sbi
7:24 PM
@AnalPhabet Ah, I didn't know that. Of course, you are allowed to pirate anything above $65.
 
@milleniumbug Ewwww, no
 
@sbi I would buy if I could, but being a broke student is just as lucrative as you might think lol
 
then don't use it
 
@elyse I'd rather use vim
 
7:25 PM
@Morwenn Takes too long to wind up for my tastes, but pretty great!
 
use vim with robot's settings
 
@AlejandroDíaz Words of wisdom
 
they're pretty nice
 
I think atom works ok
not ST-ok
but it's nicer than notepad++
 
@ThePhD I like it when it takes long to wind up :)
 
7:26 PM
(it's free hint hint)
 
sbi
@AlejandroDíaz Yes, I do know how it is to be a poor student. Of course, not having money doesn't mean you can't have expensive things. And, given that you cannot buy caviar, you certainly have to steal it.
 
@Morwenn Eyebrow Waggling intensifies
 
@ThePhD I mean music ._.
 
@AlexM. It's also 500MB
 
Anal, please explain to the jury why you stole that Audi.
 
7:27 PM
@Morwenn Do you really
 
"It was $50k, mateys."
 
topkek
 
sbi
@Morwenn Of course, given your smiley, nobody else thought of anything else but music.
 
@AnalPhabet Hey, I simply used his exact formulation :o
 
@AnalPhabet which is 0.5% of my hard disk
 
7:27 PM
@sbi I don't like cracking software I could just use ST as it is with the annoying pop up, that really isn't gonna do much for the devs in my case though
 
Views the chaos he's created, is deeply satisfied.
 
@AnalPhabet 300
 
@AlexM. snort
 
> You're turning my software into hardware.
 
Whenever I get a spare $70 I'll buy ST though
 
7:28 PM
who doesn't have 300 mb to spare for an editor
 
> deeply satisfied
 
it's not like it's 1995
 
sbi
@AlejandroDíaz Well, it is honest though, don't you think?
 
If you don't have money for software, fine, do what you will. But don't talk about it. Don't justify it. Act like it is your dirty little secret that nobody must know, like watching bdsm porn or something.
 
7:29 PM
@Morwenn Pfff. You knooow what I mean.
 
sbi
@Morwenn His eyebrows just waggled their way to the ceiling.
 
perhaps a nice fit for this room
 
@ThePhD If only :(
 
. @whitequark the obvious explanation is the code was committed by fax+OCR and the tests didn't run on BE x86 for lack of funding
 
7:29 PM
@ElimGarak I am pretty open about the kind of porn I watch! lol
 
pics or it didn't happen
 
@sbi Yup, I agree
 
@AlexM. SICP. Only book I have read on the topic IIRC.
 
> The truth is, commercial software development is a race to the bottom. Whoever can trade away the optimal amount of personal integrity and endure the most suffering wins.
optimistic guy
 
Or you know, you develop something people need and get food on your table.
 
7:33 PM
@ThePhD <3 Muh favorite genius <3
 
@AlexM. I should clarify it’s more of a book that teaches you programming, and that happens to be FP though.
 
user1804599
@sehe idgi
 
sbi
@JohanLarsson My boss gets angry if we don't write the tests before we write the code.
 
@Borgleader Oh shucks, you're making me blush.
I REALLY wanna sleep before the C++ final.
 
@sbi nice
 
7:34 PM
But I know if I close my eyes, for anymore than 5 seconds, I'm gonna be out until its over.
 
user1804599
ooh I get it now
 
user406009
@JohanLarsson By that logic, things are going to get a lot worse with the new wave of CS graduates.
 
@elyse your favourite library has fixed a should-not-have problem the how-can-we-preserve-cobol-interop way
 
my city again <3
 
sbi
You have electrical buses.
 
7:34 PM
seksi
 
@sbi yeah, we do
 
trollyen
 
@BartekBanachewicz I live in a shithole sight
 
@BartekBanachewicz nuclear dawn has its upside
 
user406009
@AlejandroDíaz There are advantages to shitholes though.
 
user406009
7:36 PM
Lower cost of living for one.
 
@Lalaland True but lower average income too
 
user406009
The math for how that works out really depends.
 
user406009
IIRC, one rule of thumb was the more dependents you have (children, etc, etc), the better off you are in a lower income, lower COL area.
 
user1804599
@sehe plan to do a livestream today?
 
@elyse Ok, for you. Right now
 
7:40 PM
@Lalaland Agreed but you know... third world(err developing?) country
 
user1804599
:v
 
red eye is watching
 
@elyse request a nom vs qi benchmark stream
 
@JohanLarsson lel
 
7:51 PM
@Columbo there are enough bugs in the standard too
 
@FilipRoséen-refp True.
 
I wonder what I should work on next..
 
user1804599
Design a programming language.
 
@elyse too many have tried, even more have failed.
 
user406009
8:01 PM
You can always write another C++ proposal :P
 
@FilipRoséen-refp How can you fail without trying
 
@Lalaland I want to be the second one who gets the first one accepted, from what I know only Stephan T. Lavavavavejeje has done that so far
@Columbo even thinking about designing a language
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Do you have a link yet?
 
user406009
@Mysticial Could you post a screenshot for us low rep plebs?
 
user1804599
8:03 PM
> This account is temporarily suspended. The suspension period ends in 7 days.
 
interesting user that tgm1024
@Columbo nhaa, but you should be able to figure it out from the snippet I showed earlier. if I say it's "impossible", what do you say?
 
user406009
Wow.
 
@Mysticial you could edit the rep bar to look like you clicked it
 
why do people also want their accounts deleted
they can just leave
 
8:05 PM
or put bigger numbers on it
 
user406009
@AlexM. They want to hide all of their shitty posts and comments.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I could, obviously, but I'm interested in standard compliant code (with any set of DR resolutions included). Of course there is stuff that compiles, but it simply exploits compiler bugs.
 
@Columbo there are no DR resolutions for this
 
user1804599
I know where you live!
 
8:06 PM
@Mysticial 85k...
 
Huh? I thought The Witcher was an accurate representation of Poland. That looks way too modern.
 
@AlexM. It's the online version of slamming the door as they leave. If they just leave and nobody notices, they don't get any real satisfaction from it.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Well, lifetime is currently a mess in C++, and I don't see a lot of papers on it so far.
That's discouraging.
 
@Columbo write some then
@Columbo if you are going to say that the standard is bullet proof (which is basically what you said when you said this was "impossible"); then you should get crackin' on fixing all the leaks
 
@FilipRoséen-refp If you contribute as well, ... ;-)
 
8:08 PM
@Columbo why should I contribute just to get you to do it?
 
@EtiennedeMartel this is witcher in the modern times
 
9 mins ago, by Filip Roséen - refp
I wonder what I should work on next..
 
bartek lives so close to the forest because that's where the leshen are
 
@FilipRoséen-refp No, I meant that you co-author a paper.
 
@Columbo do you really think you and I will be able to do such a thing together?
that's a sincere question by the way
 
8:10 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp I genuinely do.
Because, why the fuck not.
 
@AlexM. yeah it's literally a few hundred meters and you're in it. There's a cool road that goes through the forest which is actually some national nature park (but you can drive through it no prob), and it's a great motorcycle route.
 
@AlexM. The forests around where I live have lichen.
 
@Columbo because you have the goggles of someone who puts too much trust in the wording, and I'm the opposite - could of course be a good combo, but I have my doubts
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I don't trust the wording that much (I have seen quite a few DRs by now :p). But right now, the wording is rather strict than lax, IMO.
 
@Columbo sure, it's strict - but it could be far better
 
8:13 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp That's why I'd bother putting effort into a paper.
 
@Columbo just like the DRs that popped up after the constexpr-thingie didn't change nothing, one can still do stateful TMP - so yeah, maybe I should contribute to that instead of just bashing 'em :/
 
@FilipRoséen-refp You're one of the few persons actually interested here. The other guy that has shown interest in lifetime rules is dyp.
 
@Columbo I'm interested in the Standard, not just lifetime management - but anyhow; what I'm saying is that you will have a hard time making valuable changes to important parts of the Standard if your immediate response to things is saying "that's impossible"
 
@FilipRoséen-refp That's one part where I'm a hundert percent sure that the wording currently doesn't allow for it.
 
which, as we both know, was your immediate reaction in this case about bit-fiddling variables declared constexpr
@Columbo are you still, even with what I've shown you, "100%" sure?
 
8:15 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp Yes.
 
because if that's the case.. well..
 
You can't do aliasing.
 
@Columbo you missed the point of that snippet if you still think it is aliasing that is going on
@Columbo there is no aliasing, we are working directly with the storage
that is the beauty of it
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Let me get this straight. My original "challenge" was to properly access the underlying storage of a float. Either you alias, or you access the object outside its lifetime, etc. it boils down to stuff that is inherently forbidden in constant expressions.
 
@Columbo focus on the section regarding lifetime and you should see what I mean right away
@Columbo no, you are not accessing an object outside of the lifetime, because the float dies, and you then inspect it using another type who happens to live at the same address (ie. replacing what is alive)
@Columbo seems like you misunderstood the purpose, and what that implementation was actually saying
 
8:18 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp I did.
 
I'm so scared to interrupt right now
 
Either way, I'd love to see that snippet that you're withholding from me
 
@AlexM. don't be
 
@AlexM. Don't be afraid, but they won't fix variadics if you do
 
it was like this discussion where everyone else was silent
 
8:20 PM
@Columbo I'm honestly thinking about withholding it for a little extra, just so I can imagine you sitting at your computer scratching your head while muttering "refp is so full of shit, it's impossible, I know it is, or kinda.. no, 100% it is impossible"
@AnalPhabet speaking of variadics
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I think we're just at cross purposes.
If you want, I'll try to mod your example to work with Clang.
 
(cont.) I hate when I run into compiler bugs that feel so familiar (when implementing production code btw, not just messing around), and I search for something suitable and my own bug report pops up
@Columbo I don't "want" that, but it's a fun little exercise - and you will get to know a lot about how gcc and clang differ in implementation (without even reading a line of source code)
that's why I enjoy writing workarounds for people; it's about making that little blackbox behave in a way you want
sure it'd be easier if one was actually working with the compiler (as in developing it)
 
Hi! I'm wondering if a .jpg file can be read pixel by pixel and also if I can modify some of its pixels' colors.
 
user406009
@Tigris Yes. Use a jpeg library.
 
@Tigris Hi! I wonder if you read the rules
 
8:26 PM
@Tigris you need to deserialize to a raw bitmap first
 
Yeah, I've read them. ?
 
then compress again
 
Thanks Bartek, that was what I needed to know, because you can't just access a compressed image like .jpg by pixels.
 
lol
 
@Columbo btw [stmt.switch]p2 can you fix that wording? no compiler seems to comply with it in either case ("or of a class type with a single non-explicit conversion function to integral or enumeration type")
 
8:27 PM
Are there any C/C++ libraries for that?
 
@Tigris ImageMagick?
 
@Columbo if you inherit one, and then declare another one, implementations will use the one in the most-derived class; but that's not what what sentence is saying
 
user1804599
TIL that OpenSSH on El Capitan is linked against LibreSSL! #fb
 
user1804599
/cc @sehe
 
I might need something on a lower level, because its for a school project and they have some expectations..
 
8:29 PM
@elyse what is El Capitan again (I forgot)
 
user1804599
@sehe OS X (iDidntForget)
 
@Tigris libjpg
 
Latest OS X
 
@elyse very nice
 
@Tigris libjpg, opencv, libimagemagick, Boost GIL. Next
@elyse lel
 
8:30 PM
@sehe no not next, done! :p
 
true
 
user1804599
they also do this with gcc
 
@FilipRoséen-refp That's not stmt.switch anymore, though, is it? What paragraph did you quote from?
 
user1804599
gcc is a symlink to clang (lol)
 
That seems fine. Thanks for the quick reply. @BartekBanachewicz @AlejandroDíaz @sehe Bye!
 
8:31 PM
@Columbo p2
 
@FilipRoséen-refp N4527?
 
@Columbo the official c++11 standard though (not a draft)
nhaa
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Ahhh, that explains it.
 
@Columbo oh look at that, it's fixed in c++14 - sweet
 
8:32 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp You really should upgrade your course :D
 
screenshots of code. HERESY
 
@Columbo as if that's up to me
 
@sehe You're making VIDEOS of code. You should be burned at the stake.
 
touché
 
sbi
@sehe I wanted to compress it to a single line of text.
 
user1804599
8:33 PM
@sehe protection against company grepping for code
 
@Columbo the reason I was checking N3290 was that I was helping a guy on the internetz
just forgot to change back
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Oh, okay.
 
@elyse you know, it's part of protobuf
 
@elyse google will just OCR it
 
user1804599
@sehe oh
 
sbi
8:33 PM
Chat message #26262626 had just been sent. Not in this room, though. It was in the Android room.
 
...or put it in captchas
 
anyhow, time to put the computer down
peace
 
Apr 2 '12 at 14:13, by sehe
@KonradRudolph I couldn't resist. I OCR-ed the baby tree :)
@sbi I just found it before you mentioned the room
in Android, 2 mins ago, by Ahmad
Twitter lost $665M in 2013, $578M in 2014, and $299M in the first half of 2015. User growth gone. Yet valued at $20B http://www.vox.com/2015/6/11/8761731/twitter-trouble-facebook-twtr
 
sbi
@sehe I noticed this because yours I replied to was #26262616.
 
8:38 PM
@sehe Whoa, that's nuts. How are they bleeding so much money?
Is it the cost of employees? Developer operations?
 
sbi
> Despite revenue of $1.4 billion in 2014, the company still lost $578 million. The story was the same for the first half of 2015. Revenue was an impressive $938 million for the six-month period, but the company lost $299 million.
 
But what are they losing it to?
Are they just overshooting their growth / user rates?
 
sbi
> Twitter has failed to meet its own stated user growth expectations and has not been able to take advantage of the massive number of users who have signed up for accounts and then not come back.
Why don't you just read the article yourself?
 
Oh. Well, then.
 
@sbi You know you're asking a bit much there :P
 
8:41 PM
@TonyTheLion Hey! ;~;
 
user406009
@ThePhD They have too many employees.
 
They should switch to smaller denomination banknotes for heating their offices.
2
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion How so? You'd think a PhD can read, huh?
 
:c
 
@sbi He's an expert (a person who knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing).
 
sbi
8:42 PM
@Lalaland Always the cure of the C level management: layoff those who earn little in order to keep employed those who earn a lot.
 
user406009
@sbi The top level managers don't actually consume that much money in the scheme of things.
 
sbi
Oh damn, @Jerry is up. I really shouldn't sit at work anymore when that happens.
 
user406009
There is only 1 CEO anyways ...
 
@sbi Worse, it's already early afternoon here...
 
@JerryCoffin "He knows everything about nothing and not too much about that... If you know someone who knows him - you must know Henry's Cat" - wtf that just came into my head!?
 
8:43 PM
I would imagine the paycheck of the CEO equals at least 20 top-tier developers paychecks.
 
user406009
Yes. But they are firing ~400 people
 
Giggity.
 
Yes, that also works instead of paper money.
 
user406009
Also, they are headquartered in fucking San Francisco.
 
> For loop not changing value
 
sbi
8:44 PM
@Lalaland I suspect each of ours get about 5-10x as much as an engineer. (Mind you, that's just a guess. I don't know.) And we have about 1 CxO per 10 other employees.
 
lel. PHP gonna PHP
 
@ThePhD Whens your C++ exam?
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Uh oh.
 
@Borgleader In 1h26m
 
user406009
@sbi 1 CxO per 10 other employees is not that normal though.
 
user406009
8:45 PM
Usually there is a larger ratio for companies like Twitter.
 
sbi
@Lalaland We're a small company, overstuffed with management by the investors in order to be grown.
@Lalaland The CxO-paycheck-to-engineer-paycheck ration will be much larger at Twitter as well.
 
@Mysticial click it already!
 
nevar
 
@JonClements Hmmm...interesting. Not being from the UK (and not having had a television as a child anyway) I'd never heard of that before.
 
clicking is doubleplusungood
 
8:47 PM
@ThePhD Hmm, I'll be in trnasit when it starts. So ima wish you good luck now :)
 
@Borgleader Pfff. I need no luck.
But thanks anyways ♥
 
user406009
@sbi Don't know enough to say. It's certainly plausible that they could have severely reduced their layoffs by cutting pay for the top. It would really come down to the numbers.
 
@ThePhD ♥
 
I don't think any company becomes less nimble with fewer engineers
 
@sbi you're still there?
 
8:48 PM
it usually comes down to management
 
sbi
@Lalaland If 300+ are 8%, they have ~4k people.
 
management is always right
 
@sbi The former CEO, at least, took a pretty serious pay-cut the last couple of years.
 
sbi
@melak47 I dunno where you are. Looks around. Well, you aren't here.
 
user406009
For their record, the stock price did go up after the layoffs.
 
8:50 PM
Oh godfuckingdammit
 
user406009
The market clearly approved.
 
I look like I'm blind with my new sunglasses x)
 
Just spent 1.5 hours debugging code because of a lambda miscarriage miscapture
sobs quietly
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin ???
 
@Lalaland The market thinks almost entirely in terms of short-term gains and losses, not how to actually run the company well.
11
 
8:51 PM
@AnalPhabet you're a cool guy though.
 
@MarcoA. IDGI
 
@JerryCoffin those are wise words my friend
 
Also, I prefer to be warm, thank you
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Well, nothing is stopping you from shorting their stock.
 
Cold = dead, because living things amirite
 
8:52 PM
@JerryCoffin Obligatory link, courtesy of @sehe
 
:D
 
gud advice
 
@sbi You have to scroll down a ways, but it gives annual salaries for their "key executives". Richard Costolo went from $11,505,740 in 2012 to $130,250 in 2013. $130K isn't exactly poverty, but I'd bet they have quite a few engineers who make more than that.
 
how should I call myself
I can't say I'm a rockstar
 
sbi
8:54 PM
@JerryCoffin Oh. IRTA 130m, not 130k. sheepish grin
 
@AndyProwl 3star
 
> Using sexy programming languages is not a goal. Add revenue. Reduce costs. Those are your only goals.
 
user406009
@AndyProwl Call yourself a pornstar.
 
@Lalaland I think I'm closer to a rockstar
 
> Improvement: you can now scroll in Tmux using Shift+MouseWheel if you have the "set-window-option -g mode-mouse on" feature enabled in your ".tmux.conf" file
finally! MobaXterm supports tmux
 
8:58 PM
@Lalaland That's probably incorrect. In a former consulting gig I was exposed to enough internal knowledge of Twitter that if I made any money off their stock it might well qualify as insider trading.
 
The punishments for insider trading are fucking brutal.
 
@JerryCoffin Gotcha, I’ll call my trader and send you the kickback as per usual.
 

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