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4:00 PM
> Godot uses the standard C98 datatypes, such as uint8_t, uint32_t, int64_t, etc. which are nowadays supported by every compiler.
C98?
 
C99
 
> The are very simple and aim to be as minimal as possible, as templates in C++ are often inlined and make the binary size much fatter, both in debug symbols and code. List, Set and Map can be iterated using pointers
 
I just got censored in the C++ room...
 
lol
that's the C++ room for you
 
Ven
death by templates.
 
4:06 PM
There's like 4 popele there, including you, nab and the butthurt dude.
 
Who's the butthurt dude?
 
@EtiennedeMartel @BryanEdds, obviously
 
Bryan Edds, he came here and got a cold shower, started the new room. Then made Puppy RO.
 
that awkward moment between birth and death
11
 
Ell
4:07 PM
Why
 
because Puppy
 
Anne's friend; "I want Windows 10 on my new HP laptop, but I do't know how"
Anne: "It's easy. No problem, I'll do it for you!"
..
..
The laptop has W8. It also has only a 32GB SSD for drive C...
Yes, you guessed it, it doesn't have enough disk space to do the upgrade.
 
lol wat a 32GB SSD for C:\?
 
lol 32GB SSDs
 
@Puppy IKR:(
 
4:08 PM
@HubertApplebaum Yes I did. I spent a lot of time looking at maps during my childhood :p
 
Ayy, Windows always wants to preserve Windows.old and install the new crap.
 
yes, it's laughable, 60GB isn't enough
 
It's not 2001 anymore
 
I don't think they had 32GB SSDs in 2001
 
My brother got my mother a 32 GB HDD. Windows 7, Firefox, and her basic documents barely fit. .-.
I got her a 256 GB one later.
 
4:09 PM
Nab was born in 2001.
 
I have my HTPC Linux install on a 55GB (sold as 60GB) SSD.
 
@ElimGarak False accusation
 
IIRC, I said "anything less than 128 is fucking useless". Anne is not happy 'cos she now has to try and tell her friend that her new laptop is.... fucking useless.
 
512 GB NVMe SSD bitches
 
32 GB SSD why not a floppy
 
4:12 PM
in Trash, 11 mins ago, by caps
@BryanEdds What is that supposed to mean?
 
@HubertApplebaum I wish I had a vehicle that could go that fast
 
see
case in point
 
Ban Bartek from driving today, save lives tomorrow.
 
I like how it's coming from fuckers who can't even ride a skateboard, not even mentioning a motorized vehicle
but keep hatin' <3
 
4:13 PM
TBH, I would have fallen into the same trap. I mean, it's HP, right? It's gonna be overpriced but have reasonable performance.... no:(
 
in other news, I'm legally able to start my motorcycle driving course
 
I've had my license for several years and I can ride a windsurf and snowboard btw
 
contacted one of the schools already
 
Ven
in C++, yesterday, by sehe
@Questionare232 I can. I just won't. You can't pay me enough. I'm sorry. A little bit. I wish I could tell your teacher how much harm they're causing
 
Thanks to literally Bartek, my country had a law for 5 years which prevented young people from driving a vehicle above 80 kW until they're 24.
 
4:14 PM
@ElimGarak I'm almost 24 :3
 
@ElimGarak Ban Bartek from driving today, save lives yesterday.
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz to be fair, I can drive, but certainly not skate
I do have a windsurf license, though :P
 
do you need a windsurfing license where you live? o.O
I can just go anywhere and rent a board w/o problems
 
@BartekBanachewicz Those have vastly different skillset requirements
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, just to tell you that I can probably skate without too much learning curve
<3
 
4:15 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь in case you haven't noticed I started to despise this idiotic pedantry, so heck off
@HubertApplebaum you're so talented <3
 
now now let's not hurt my modesty
 
stabs @HubertApplebaum's modesty
 
I'm just trying to soften you up before asking when you're gonna visit polen
or will you be at unconf
 
oh yes soften me up
I am planning 2 days in Varsovie + uncon
 
Yay :)
 
Ven
4:17 PM
if you stabbed my modesty, I wouldn't even cinch
 
I totally need to get myself to Monadic Warsaw and take a selfie with Bartosz Milewski
 
@HubertApplebaum ayyyy
I hope Bartek won't total me at unconf
We will accidentally misplace his driver's license.
 
with a skate license
 
@HubertApplebaum I just bought a 32GB µSD card.
It is smaller than a floppy in physical size
 
I just ate a kinder bueno
It is uh
Richer in calories than an ant
 
4:21 PM
is it bueno
 
@milleniumbug Yeah, I didn't understand how that was trash-worthy.
 
Ven
is Cat a bueno
 
@HubertApplebaum is it kinder than an ant though
 
4:22 PM
I always giggle at this
 
I almost understand that
ayy
 
aww no one saw what I did there :(
 
or maybe I just sucked
 
user1804599
4:23 PM
 
> PHP
@Rapptz urgent treatement needed
off to bread
good night young popeles
 
young and popeless
 
@HubertApplebaum night Pubert
 
@orlp oops. dang, some lounger was making one
 
4:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Anything that allows PHP is going to be awful. Film at 11.
 
@melak47 @ThePhD
 
@BartekBanachewicz ah, it was @OmnipotentEntity
where ever he is now ._.
 
also
Unlicensed @WebStormIDE forces you to restart it every 30 minutes. Funny, that's what properly licensed @VisualStudio seems to do as well.
 
ShitStorm IDE
 
back to some dead space 3
 
4:40 PM
@ElimGarak Do you like it? I did not like it much. Though I only watched a play through. It seems more a FPS than horror game.
 
> Under Cygwin, the more_entropy must be set to TRUE for this function to work.
also this
wow 1ply paper-thin wrappers
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz wat? I never had that on unlicensed intellij
@AndyProwl we all did
 
@BartekBanachewicz For anybody who cares, C++ makes it easy (?) to do Roman numerals right:
 
Ven
:')))
 
4:54 PM
hi there
could anyone help me out here
0
Q: cmake change build dir in clion

etilgeIs there a way how to pass build dir to CLion? The command that is executed is /usr/bin/cmake --build /old/path/.CLion12/system/cmake/generated/ba070dfe/ba070dfe/Debug --target clean -- -j 4 But I would like to have something like /usr/bin/cmake --build /new/path --target clean -- -j 4 I ha...

banging my head around it for some time
 
I suppose one of these days, I should get ambitious and add a num_get facet to that as well.
@etilge Sure: use tools better than cmake and clion. Problem solved. :-)
 
Eh... :D
@JerryCoffin what do you propose?
 
@etilge It's hard to guess at a solution without knowing the problem you need to solve.
Being serious for a moment, though: I was really just joking. Depending on your needs, cmake and clion may be the best available.
 
@JerryCoffin - just don't be too harsh on me. :) I would like to provide build path to CLion since it is storing the executable to /some/random/path
 
This reminds me that I still need an IDE / Build System for Linux
 
5:08 PM
the command that gets executed is /usr/bin/cmake --build /old/path/.CLion12/system/cmake/bla/bla --target clean -- -j 4
@ThePhD yup
 
@etilge It can't really be very hard can it? I mean, with make it's just something like DEST=/some/random/path, then building the executable with something like $(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -o$(DEST)/filename ($OBJS)
 
@JerryCoffin yes, it can't but still everything I try to pass is neglected
:(
 
@milleniumbug The PHP Spec says that's implementation-defined???
 
Just to ask here - why is everyone talking about php here :D ?
 
5:22 PM
@etilge PHP bashing is always fun.
 
Dec 31 '15 at 21:45, by milleniumbug
(a day without bashing PHP is a wasted day)
 
@JerryCoffin and keep it up that way, guys :D
haha :D
 
@caps seems so
 
@milleniumbug I don't understand why people use that language. I really don't. There are reasons my current company is hoping to eliminate all PHP usage in the backend (right now its almost exclusively PHP).
It seems like there must be better languages for the front-end, too, but that's well outside my area of expertise.
 
@caps well, I come from the land-of-php
 
5:24 PM
@caps They use it because we haven't bashed it enough (publicly enough) for them to know better. Either that, or they've joined the dark side.
 
and must say that is very handy for web
 
@etilge I know that's the intended use case.
 
@caps so?
 
But how is it better than Python, C++, Erlang...
?
 
google the php vs ?
depends on many factors
like A LOT
language use in company, project size, project needs, time, money available, skill set, etc.
 
5:27 PM
Bwuh.
I need to do an n^2 comparison.
 
@caps There's a single package to install the whole "LAMP" stack at one whack. With (for example) JSP, you have to install Java, and install something like Jakarta Tomcat. That's, like, two commands instead of one! Twice as much work!
 
Or rather, n + n - 1 + n - 2 + ... + n - (n - 1) comparisons...
 
@ThePhD does not work that way :D
 
Basically, pairwise comparison.
 
how to compare apples with bananas
?
give a strict metric
 
5:29 PM
Wonder if there's an algo for that.
I'm just comparing integers is all.
At compile-time.
 
@ThePhD :)
 
@ThePhD There might well be (but it's hard to guess what "that" is, based on the fragmentary hints you've dropped so far).
 
I guess the best way would be std::mismatch( integer_list ).first == integer_list.end()
 
> I can spend $5 on a cheap shared host, upload a PHP file, and see a website. I have no doubt whatsoever that the continued existence of PHP is thanks to the widespread adoption of Apache and mod_php.
Okay, well, there's that.
 
@JerryCoffin Uh. Well, I just need to make sure that a variadic pack is entirely disjoint (e.g., no repeated values).
 
5:31 PM
Cyanide & Happiness opened a kickstarter for their new card game 30 minutes ago and they already have more money than they asked for.
 
@caps no sign of compile time here :D
 
Ven
@ThePhD do your compile-time in php
@Morwenn \o/
 
They wanted $10,000 and already have $15000+.
 
> A good benefit of using PHP is that it can interact with many different database languages including MySQL
How is this a plus?
What language can't interact with different db languages?
 
Uhm.
Out of the box libraries are a powerful motivator.
It's why people are still using Python 2.7.
 
Ven
5:35 PM
brainfuck certainly can't.
APL can, this is why it's the best language.
 
> I love PHP, and it's the right tool for some jobs. It's just an ugly, cumbersome tool that makes me cry and have nightmares. It's the new VB6 in a C dress.
lol
> The only conclusion I can draw is that building a compelling application is far more important than choice of language. While PHP wouldn't be my choice, and if pressed, I might argue that it should never be the choice for any rational human being sitting in front of a computer, I can't argue with the results.
Well, there's that too.
 
> [...] part of the team behind the Cyanide & Happiness animations will play a game of soccer with your game as the ball, and then all sign it for you. Video proof provided.
 
@caps wow ITT PHP programmers are professional masochists
 
Ven
@Morwenn only 5k$
 
Just look at the options‌​. Some of them are totally retarded :D
 
5:44 PM
Aparrently, 'Kittens taste good Cajun style with a side of puppy.'
 
user1804599
@caps CSS
 
@MadameElyse I don't usually think of CSS as a language, but okay.
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
you suck
 
user1804599
CSS is clearly a language.
 
5:48 PM
Well, it is.
I just don't typically think of it as one.
 
"constexpr functions can only have one return statement" seriously?
... seriously?
 
When I'm thinking of languages one might use to solve problems it doesn't jump to mind unless the problem is comprised primarily of webpage markup.
 
@ThePhD C++11?
 
@Morwenn VC++, so C++07
 
lol
 
5:49 PM
Guess I have to do this the fucking shitty way. =/
 
Still no two-phase name lookup?
 
To be fair to PHP, some of the criticisms of it could certainly apply to C++, and some other languages.
Like inconsistent interfaces.
 
Wait I can just test on coliru
That's... legal, right?
 
Maybe there's a language that always follows the same naming convention, parameter ordering, etc. but it's not C++
(and it's obviously not PHP)
So I understand now why people use PHP. They're not programmers and/or they want to get a webpage up really quickly.
I don't understand why software engineers would intentionally choose to use PHP for a large project, though.
 
user1804599
PHP is fine, really.
 
user1804599
5:52 PM
You either never used it or you've only used old versions or you've only used it the way most tutorials teach it.
 
@caps except PHP has no redeeming qualities
 
user1804599
PHP isn't worse than Python or Ruby for most web apps.
 
@MadameElyse I've never used it. I've code-reviewed it, though. It looks like C with classes.
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
The code you reviewed looked like C with Classes.
 
5:52 PM
@MadameElyse Right.
 
user1804599
That's because morons wrote it, not because it was written in PHP.
 
Well, actually, I don't think the code I reviewed was bad or written by morons.
But I don't understand why the code I reviewed was written in PHP.
I would like to see some of what you call "good PHP" though.
 
yo small rather nooby question: Whats the Big-Oh to n²+c*n? Is it O(n⁴)?
 
O(1) ?
 
5:54 PM
I could see reading a book "PHP, the Good Parts" or "Eloquent PHP." I enjoyed "Eloquent JavaScript."
 
user1804599
@caps We have some, sadly it's not open-source. :P
 
user1804599
@caps phptherightway.com is a start.
 
@NaCl Do you mean the Big-Oh for O(n²)+O(c*n)?
 
yes
 
user1804599
Writing good PHP code isn't any different from writing good code in other imperative programming language: don't use globals, don't use magic, use sane settings, write tests, decouple, bla, bla, bla.
 
5:55 PM
That would be O(n^3)
 
user1804599
Bad PHP code translated directly to C# would be equally bad.
 
why?
 
Because for sufficiently large N you just drop off the C. Then you have O(n^2) + O(n).
But I'm actually wrong.
 
O(n²)
 
5:57 PM
O(n^2) + O(n) is not O(n^3).
Yeah, Morwenn is right.
As N grows sufficiently large, the O(n) becomes insignificant.
So, yes, it's O(n^2).
 
dhawdkhwadj
WANT TO BUY variadic_pack[integral_constant]
This is so fucking dumb.
I hate this shitty fucking compiler
But nooooo
USERS NEED THE SUPPORT.
Fuck those smarmy li'l shits.
 
So I was right, thanks @caps
 
@NaCl Well, no, you said O(n^4)
 
Oh
You were talking about the O notation for each part also in O.
And here I was thinking it was a regular old equation. .-.
 
@ThePhD You obviously don't CS enough.
 
6:02 PM
Clearly.
 
@caps My friend said ^4 :P
Anyways I'm out
 
@ThePhD std::tuple
 
> That works in constexpr in VC++*
 
Our government just put a law to be voted on GitHub: github.com/GouvernementFR/RepubliqueNumerique
 
United States of Githubica.
 
6:08 PM
I'm probably the only person here that considers constexpr as "meh"
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug I do too.
 
@milleniumbug I need it so I can (sanely) guarantee a few things at compile-time, so the user is not doing dumb things.
 
user1804599
I'm probably the only person here that considers fold expressions as "eww"
 
> >user is not doing dumb things
kek
 
constexpr is great for integers.
@MadameElyse Make that two.
 
6:09 PM
Fold expressions look messy, I haven't used them yet.
 
@Morwenn actually three
 
They're probably trash because it's C++, so the syntax probably looks like fucking vomit.
 
@MadameElyse So that's why you're not going as "rightfold" anymore...
 
They are supposed to make some things clearer but they totally fail at that :/
 
user1804599
ugh fireworks
 
user1804599
6:12 PM
in February
 
user1804599
people are crazy
 
@MadameElyse Sometimes it's okay to be crazy.
 
@MadameElyse Clearly insane--the Chinese were only using it to celebrate the lunar new year for a few centuries before Marco Polo brought gun powder to Europe. What makes them think they should be able to continue doing so now?
 
Xeo
crap
I let the sauce simmer for too long (or too hot). Now the butter seperated :(
 
6:24 PM
@Xeo should've used open sauce
 
Xeo
Working with butter in sauces is kinda difficult. Hollandaise is also so easy to screw up. :s
anyhow, chicken, cauliflower, and kinda alfredo-ish sauce. nom nom.
 
hello here is an inspirational quote
> Even if you are on the right track, you will
get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers
thank you, you're welcome
 
@Morwenn what's not clear about std::cout << args << ... << stuff << std::endl? Or is it std::cout << (args << ...) << stuff << std::endl...no that doesn't work. (std::cout << args) << ... << stuff << std::endl? (std::cout << args << ...) << stuff << std::endl? (std::cout << ... << args ) << stuff << std::endl? :D
 
Xeo
the last one is the one that works
(init op ... op pack)
 
@Xeo You can sometimes save it by sort of starting over. Assuming the usual case of an egg yolk emulsion, you can re-start with a new egg-yolk, mix it with the same base, then slowly add your separated sauce to that (mixing it constantly, of course).
 
6:31 PM
@Xeo yeah, except now you gotta be careful because apparently left and rightfold were swapped as a typo :v
 
Xeo
if you put pack first and init last, ye
but that wouldn't compile anyways
 
@melak47 It's so readable that the original proposal got left & right folds wrong and they had to change it for the next revision.
 
@Shoe you know someone is completely clueless when you can't even make sense of the question
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin No egg yolk in this one
just cream cheese and butter
it mixed up pretty well, until I let it sit for a bit too long
well, it didn't seperate too bad in the end, so I could kinda mix it back together
tasted awesome anyways
 
your mother sat for a bit too long on your face
 
6:35 PM
@Xeo Yeah--there may be a way to save that too, but if so I don't know it.
 
I love when I look a question on SO and the most voted and accepted answer don't actually answers the question
 
@milleniumbug I like constexpr. But I really wish it were easier to use with strings out-of-the-box.
 
restores my faith on the system
 
Xeo
@Puppy Your mom should've tried it, then you wouldn't be such a puppyface.
 
@VillasV You should love it--it's a perfect opportunity to write a better answer. If a non-answer has attracted enough attention to get up-votes, just think how much a real answer can/will accomplish.
 
6:38 PM
@Morwenn that reminds me - is the implementation in gcc and clang the wrong way around at the moment because of this?
 
@JerryCoffin meh, you're right. Stop being so productively critic
 
@melak47 No idea.
 
Mum jokes
I feel immediately at home
 
6:53 PM
@Morwenn nah, seems correct. :D
 
@VillasV My deepest and most sincere apologies, good sir. :-)
 
I'm cold
 

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