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12:02 AM
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but sometimes they run off from those internet cables :p
also uncon spells so close to unicorn ...
 
@набиячлэвэлиь pun pun pun
 
12:21 AM
@Borgleader <3
evenin'
 
Spire.
 
Academic.
I see that you have become increasingly concerned with the volume of posters in the Catface channel
if you joined us, you would have no need to be concerned
:3
 
Grumble.
 
loungé
What do you get when you cross a ghost and an alien?
A boolien
2
:D
 
12:40 AM
...
 
@jaggedSpire <3
 
@Prismatic you're terrible :D
 
@LucDanton you're gonna love this one:
Automatically inferring file syntax with afl-analyze: https://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2016/02/say-hello-to-afl-analyze.html
 
user784668
@Prismatic I rate 5/7.
 
oh boy, Android Studio can't resolve deps again
Google's so lucky that they can get away with making such a craptacular SDK
 
user784668
12:49 AM
@Prismatic s/lucky/big/
 
yo someone in the US explain what people are voting for when they say "primaries"
are they voting for who gets to represent different parties
 
user784668
@Prismatic Nothing, murrican elections are meaningless.
 
like who gets to represent the dems and the GOP
 
@Prismatic sorta
 
tabs vs trump
 
12:53 AM
it's close enough for most things
and the two different parties have slightly different systems, for extra fun on top of different states having different systems
 
isn't american elections that thing where the candidate with the most money wins
 
user406009
@HubertApplebaum Actually, it really depends on the specifics of the election.
 
user406009
Sometimes money is a big factor. Sometimes it isn't.
 
How does it feel to be the same gender as Donald Trump?
Oh oops. The same sex.
 
12:56 AM
@Lalaland nah
 
user406009
@HubertApplebaum Trump obviously as he is a winner.
 
it's just that really
american elections are a joke
it's called a ~~lobby~~
 
user784668
Humans are evil. Proof: Donald Trump is human.
 
american elections vs russian elections
 
user406009
There have been many historical failures of candidates who had much more money than their opposition.
 
12:57 AM
IOW money vs putin
@Lalaland I'll tell you where the problem really is
 
user406009
Like for instance Meg Whitman. I was so happy when she lost.
 
1 min ago, by Lalaland
Sometimes money is a big factor. Sometimes it isn't.
Money should never be a factor.
 
That's why you merkins suck at democracy hth
 
user406009
@HubertApplebaum The issue is that the free speech line is sorta hard to draw.
 
12:58 AM
nah
it's simple
 
trumpdonald.org <-- needs a repost
 
how come many other countries figured it out
 
bwamp
 
user406009
Like the difference between making a Can't Stump the Trump sign with your own hard work and then putting in on your lawn vs buying a Can't Stump the Trump billboard.
 
user406009
How do you differentiate between the two?
 
12:59 AM
you don't get it
moving on
 
user406009
And then you get into interesting cases where you already own the billboard.
 
user406009
And you want to put your Can't Stump the Trump sign on there.
 
user406009
Etc, etc.
 
user784668
I'd vote for Judd Trump.
 
vote for IBM Watson
 
1:01 AM
@wilx turns out Michigan's senate didn't really ban sodomy any harder than it already was, not that that would change your mind about venturing onto this cursed soil
 
user406009
Anyways, I'll laugh if Trump wins tonight. He already has a YUGE lead.
 
@Morwenn have you started working on cppsearch yet
 
playing in the snow /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak @Ell @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
 
wtb red panda
 
I posted it before in August but I didn't cc anyone
@ElimGarak same
jumping /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak @Ell @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
 
Ell
1:10 AM
They're such cuties :3
 
concur'd <3
turns out they love apple slices /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak @Ell @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
 
should be in #floof
 
is in #floof
 
oh good
 
I'm cross-posting, because some people here who want red panda are not in Discord
 
1:14 AM
@sehe noice
 
Let's go reverse engineer some protocols
 
user406009
Maybe I should bring out the cross posting bot again?
 
user406009
Shouldn't take too much work to switch it from IRC to discord.
 
and actually I should ask the people I ping when I post floofs what their opinion is on x-posting from #floof
 
@LucDanton the resurgance of the litany
 
Since Discord gained a #floof channel, I've been posting my floof pics both here and there. It occurs to me that some of you guys might not want duplicate floofs. Do any of you guys have a preference for getting pinged here versus just watching #floof for new posts? /cc @Borgleader @Ell @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
If you indicate a preference for simply watching #floof, I'll not ping you here if I've already posted it in #floof. If Discord dies I'll simply start pinging you with floof pics again.
 
@jaggedSpire I can go to #floof to see floof
 
...does that mean you want me to start pinging you with floof pics if Discord dies?
or is the ambient floof in the chat enough?
 
1:42 AM
SHOW THE LITTLE FLOOFS HOW IT'S DONE
 
@ElimGarak <3
 
UE4 source is only a couple hundred mb
neat
 
> [Person X] had been in custody without bail since 2011
that’s uh quite a long time
 
nah they'll totally get a trial you'll see. Yep. No problem with habeas corpus here
 
@jaggedSpire well I didn’t mean to be flippant, this might be skipping a lot of details
I am curious about how long you can be held like that though
 
1:51 AM
@LucDanton still sounds interesting. Link?
 
@LucDanton USA?
 
> bail
 
is that a region of Belgium
 
you lied! it was Los Angeles!
 
1:56 AM
mmmh actually this source says 2011 for the date of the alleged crime and says nothing on the length of custody, is this a game of telephone
here is a source that does claim he has been in custody since 2011
k and there was a mistrial
 
> found guilty of the killing in 2014 but his conviction was overturned last year after a judge found the trial wasn't fair.
fun times
 
it’s harder than I thought it would be to track the longest period of time you can be held without bail or recourse without a conviction
after indictment though
 
so he's arrested in 2011, finally found guilty in a possibly unfair trial in 2014, had the conviction overturned by a judge, and in 2016 was sentenced to five days of jail for contempt of court (how?) and accidentally released at the end those five days (?) a month before the preliminary hearing for the new murder trial.
 
2:03 AM
@Prismatic twas posted this morning
 
@jaggedSpire yeah
 
@Prismatic neet
 
@Borgleader im a night owl, stop discriminininating
If I build a single-player game that uses no cloud connectivity, do I have to pay to use the engine?

No, in this case you would pay us nothing.
I wonder how good it is
I've heard that CryEngine dev tools kind of suck
anyone game dev people here tried it out? ping pong @ElimGarak
apparently the install is 40gb wtf
 
o.OOOOOOOOOOOOO
well fuck that
 
2:18 AM
@LucDanton I like the lawyer's description
> "He doesn't come off as a stupid gang-banging idiot," she said. "He's older, he's mature. He's not a typical low-level thinker."
 
I can't advocate CryEngine (outdated, and now property-ish of Amazon even) or UE4 (static as fuck). Which basically means, if you're making a game, it doesn't look like it does on all the ads.
 
@HubertApplebaum to be fair, the hand that feeds me is fairly pretty, too
 
No, I wanted to say I'm shocked one could word it this way
> He's not a typical low-level thinker.
what the fuck
 
@HubertApplebaum He's not a typical C programmer
 
lol
 
2:21 AM
I like how Jason Derulo asks the girl whether she'd like to have sex at the end of the video like he's the captain of the last Earth starship fighting an overwhelming force and they decide to detonate the ship's warp core to destroy the enemy fleet as a last resort: "Are you sure you want to do this?" Serious FBI look.
 
ikr
 
@HubertApplebaum oh yeah I misread that the first time around
> The Texas Republican Party expressed their opposition to the teaching of certain [higher-order thinking skills] […]
 
- Are you sure you want to do this, random girl in the video?
- For Earth, Jason.
- For Earth... Jasmine... Jacqueline?
 
E_EGO_OVERFLOW
 
2:26 AM
E_AYYY_LMAO
needs to be a thing
 
FYI 2 humans can't repopulate the Earth hth
If only Jason Derprulo had basic biology knowledge
 
you can if you wiggle
I can't make an ashtray, fucking shapes. It has 1000 polys, ahahah
 
@HubertApplebaum esp. in your self-insert dream scenario amirite
 
that doesn't make it semi-plausible either
 
I'm going to listen to Katy Perry. rip
 
2:31 AM
why do Microsoft's docs suck so much
 
They may or may not have fired a lot of the docs popele in the big cleanup.
And MS may or may not be aware of the issue.
Developers themselves may or may not have to write them themselves.
 
EASTL is open source on Github. https://github.com/electronicarts/EASTL @EA @EAOpenSource
and now im going to bed
 
My eyes can't see past EA
 
@ElimGarak fuuuuck
I'm reading as some unholy combination of EA and East St Louis.
...
 
It's EA's STL ayyy. It was standardized by the body of EA Can Do Whatever The Fuck It Wants.
 
2:35 AM
@ElimGarak _clang-format neat, they use clang format
 
@Borgleader It is a rather small library. :o
 
But it's standard.
 
East St. Louis has more than double the murder rate of Gary, Indiana.
Also, Baltimore and Detroit.
 
It has ~2.7 times the murder rate of St. Louis
 
2:38 AM
@LucDanton I thought it was an actual pic
@HubertApplebaum Provide us with one!
 
@ElimGarak me too thanks (reddit alert)
 
@LucDanton Cant be you, not enough templates
 
@Borgleader meat<shape::rekt_base_pyramid>
 
there’s also anime_irl (weeaboo alert)
 
2:43 AM
@ElimGarak yes
 
lol 2 commits
 
copy-createnewrepo-paste
update readme
 
as long as they are "commit: initial commit" and "commit: real initial commit" I don’t see a problem
 
I actually did this
> first commit
Initial commit
 
shameful history
 
2:45 AM
most of my projects have initial commit followed by whoops forgot something
 
it's still better than this i.stack.imgur.com/WjpH8.png
 
@milleniumbug yes this is what I was referencing :)
that and the "commit N:" nonsense
 
yeah this is ultimately pointless
 
I think hoomans have redundancy built-in, I’m sure there are so many projects out there that still do e.g. // Date: $date substitutions as part of their build/workflows even though your VCS likely tracks that for you (and if it doesn’t then you have pressing problems)
you can find people asking "how can I easily put the list of changed files in my commit message" as well
 
good hoomans, making their checksums for computers
 
2:57 AM
@LucDanton Also some kind of information on what was the previous commit
 
That moment when they don't git git.
 
@HubertApplebaum yeah I think redundancy is deeply ingrained in us
m8 I hope you got a chuckle out of that
 
I did
I did get a chuckle out of it
 
parce que 'oui j’aime beaucoup l’humour de répétition'×10 c’est un peu du passé, c’est bon d’innover un peu
 
alors déjà c'est du comique de répétition, merci de surveiller votre vocabulaire, mais en plus c'est du comique de répétition
 
3:04 AM
mince
 
Arrêtez d'être bites élitistes, merci!
ayyy
 
> The more knowledge you have the better.
Having said that: there is opportunity cost and I don't think Operating Systems are that important.
I have never taken a course in Operating Systems and I don't feel I am missing anything.
~le reddit~
 
never take a course in rhetoric, win every argument
 
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled persons suffer illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others. The bias was first experimentally observed by David...
 
Noun: retardedness ‎(uncountable)
  1. The state or condition of being retarded.
 
3:10 AM
ESPORTS DRAMA
why did I make a top team
 
GO WORK ON THE BOT, YOU SHIT
ayyy
 
why does drama exist in video games
 
@HubertApplebaum yeesh
 
@Rapptz never change you’re too cool
 
> I have never taken a course in Operating Systems and I don't feel I am missing anything.
 
3:10 AM
well, semi-cool
 
works as assistant old man balls washer
 
semi-cool indeed
 
really I should unsubscribe from anything other than AskHistorians and my floof sources that's got more than 10k subscribers
 
684 subs in Idris you know what to do
 
@ElimGarak hired
 
3:12 AM
now that’s a boss you don’t want to bite
 
Do I get banned if I reply to that comment by "You are dumb and uneducated (literally)."
 
only one way to know
 
@Xeo Whoa, that's interesting. A lot of libs and dependencies they've got there too...
 
off the top of my head anyway; I didn’t think of other ways and I don’t feel like I’m missing anything
 
yep, let's find out
 
3:14 AM
Why am I even considering buying Destiny, what's wrong with me
:(
 
there goes my first constructive post of the day
 
semi-constructive
 
> Atom is close, but the last time I tried it, it gobbled up 2GB of RAM, which is absurd for a text editor.
 
k I’ll reserve those jokes for Rapptz from now on
unless it’s really funny
 
they're semi-hilarious
> VS Code's intellisense for JS is pretty hard to beat.
well yeah considering other editors offer "intellisense" through regexp
 
3:16 AM
my irony meter expladed
 
which is like shitting on language theory with the power of a thousand anii
 
that’s what Vim does and it’s the best
it doesn’t eat too much RAM while the CPU is pegged so
pretty gud
 
Abstract Syntax AST Trees is where it's at
but people can't into AST trees
because they didn't learn about it you see
 
I am really good at abstracting AST trees
 
That's why I use Vim keybindings on Visual Studio. Consumes resources as a heavy-weight IDE but still makes me search and replace sometimes instead of refactoring
Win-Win
 
3:20 AM
peasant
 
Oh, we're not on Discord.
 
meta is already on the way
 
fuh the poulis
 
regex avoided
 
atom sucks
it takes longer to start than chrome
 
3:23 AM
I'm not even gonna try it
 
I like its feature set enough to use it though... I just start it up when I start the computer and leave it up
It has a really easy to use plugin system and is somewhat visually pleasing. Good for editing random files but completely unsuitable for an IDE
 
what feature set
what does it have that ST doesn't
 
plugins mostly
 
@HubertApplebaum we told you about the 64g of ram futures
 
I dont know I dont use ST
 
3:24 AM
that’s what it’s for
 
Hi everyone
 
@HubertApplebaum It's 70$ cheaper, as in, it's free
 
Sigh.
VC++, breaking my heart some more.
 
that's the only advantage I can find
 
anyone contribute to bitcoin here
 
3:27 AM
@Prismatic example pls
I'm not asking you to defend it I'm just curious
 
@ThePhD embrace its mediocrity. Only then will you be free of rage.
 
I'm not defending ST either
I just wonder what's the features that attract users to it
 
ST has plugins too, probably better too, but I only say "probably" because I haven't used Atom seriously
 
This is my only serious moment of the day please respect it
 
Atom looked decent
 
3:28 AM
the remains of my irony meter just combusted
 
@LucDanton RIP
 
user406009
@HubertApplebaum People like ST because it looks nice.
 
user406009
And it's quick and smooth.
 
ok, it seems now I'm just as productive in Vim as other editors. Still not convinced, but it's actually an achievement
I'm not too keen on modes
they're stateful
 
@Lalaland I'm asking about Atom are you doing this on purpose
 
user406009
3:32 AM
Oops, not paying that much attention.
 
user406009
Atom is more customizable than ST.
 
I think I could configure Vim in a way that's insert by default, but it switches to normal mode as long as I'm holding a key down
 
user406009
The plugin API is much more powerful in that you can make bigger changes to the UI.
 
user406009
Also, Atom is free/open source/whatever.
 
Okay and what about things that matter
Such as functionality for example
 
3:33 AM
@milleniumbug qaoWell Done!<Esc>q10@a
 
user406009
Eh, I never really care about the fancy functionality anyways.
 
user406009
Multiple cursors is just about the most advanced feature I will use.
 
Okay so if I summarise your opinion, Atom is better than ST because the GUI is customisable
Is that correct?
 
user406009
No, I don't really care either way.
 
Well thanks for this exercise in futility
10 mins lost
 
3:37 AM
@milleniumbug I spend overwhelmingly most of my time in normal mode—not that there’s anything wrong with doing it the other way around, but food for thought
 
welcome to the Lounge, where the arguments aren't always arguments at all, and conversations get heated
 
user406009
@HubertApplebaum I think you are underestimating the utility of a customizable UI though. Stuff like github.com/smashwilson/merge-conflicts can be darn useful.
 
I think I could devise some "IDE benchmark" as in, to devise some method to take an IDE, do some stuff in it for 15 minutes, and then come out with a result "SHIT/NOT SHIT"
I need some killer codebases
 
@Lalaland oh wow it's like an embedded merge tool
 
a logical consequence of coding time spent mostly reviewing/reading, and not straight up writing really. and even when I modify things it doesn’t have to happen through insert mode (substitutions, deletions, pasting etc.)
@HubertApplebaum the smoke that emanated from the combusted remains of my irony meter have turned into plasma
you are a danger to the environment
3
@milleniumbug out of curiosity, what do you (temporarily) leave insert mode for?
 
3:42 AM
@LucDanton well, it's mostly me in the "typical editor" mindset - I think if I learned some more commands I wouldn't need this
 
what did it for me was learning the movement
can’t navigate (comfortably) from insert mode, so normal mode has to be the default (hence the name, presumably)
as you can tell I’m not mouse-oriented
 
I think the problem I was hitting most of the time is that I can't reliably replace a word
So I do dwi<typeshit><ESC>
 
learning the differences between <command>w, <command>iw, and <command>aw was a game changer (a good command for replacing being c)
 
user406009
@milleniumbug Isn't that just a longer equivalent to cw<typeshit><ESC>?
 
user406009
@LucDanton What vim plugins would you recommend?
 
3:47 AM
@milleniumbug I also like learning motions through visual mode, since it’s very well visual
 
@Lalaland yup except I don't know that
 
@Lalaland all of them
nah, I actually don’t recommend any
 
> comment score below threshold
well that didn't take long
 
supplementing your workflow is, obviously, workflow-sensitive
 
wow iw is pretty useful, thanks
 
user406009
3:48 AM
My main issue with vim is that I can't move effectively through files. I guess I've gotten to used to using the mouse and scrollwheel.
 
so if you have a workflow kink to fix then yeah maybe I have recommendations, but I have nothing to recommend universally I think
@Lalaland I use tabs but honestly it’s not super satisfactory, I don’t know why I’m not sick of cycling through tabs already
the tagstack is nice (and that’s underselling it)… when it works
@milleniumbug don’t forget about {a,i,}W, too :D
well I mentioned visual mode but if you’re coping with normal/insert maybe now is not a good time for it :)
@Lalaland I wanted something to align e.g. variable inits on multiple lines (foo a = x; longer_foo b = y;) and so on and I use EasyAlign for that
there are alternatives though and I haven’t tried everything
vim-obsession for kinda-sorta-persistent sessions (have you learned about our Lord and Saviour Tim Pope already?), but even that is pretty much workflow-specific and won’t be useful to everybody
 
It's just that I type stuff and then realise "oh wait I'm still in normal mode" or try to do commands when I'm in insert mode
 
@milleniumbug super ultra mega important: is <Esc> easily accessible for you?
 
for me consistently being in normal mode (made easy with a nice accessible <Esc>) means I can’t 'think' of inserting text without a plan first
 

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