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9:11 AM
oh well
 
@LucDanton I've looked it up, it's not an open-source license. that term turned out to be a clever trick that void its terms which are identical to MIT terms.
 
> I've written and rewritten a comment for this thread several times now, but every time I get close to posting it, I feel obliged to go back and revise it.
The simple truth is that, given how toxic and charged a lot of the activism is around this topic, I don't feel able to make any kind of substantive comment that won't be misinterpreted, deliberately or otherwise, and used to pillior me.
 
lol I'll let Blank know
 
inb4 this gets attacked
 
> E: discordlinux: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/ 1000/1000
E: discordlinux: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/local/ 1000/1000
E: discordlinux: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/local/bin/ 1000/1000
good job
@Rapptz tx
 
9:12 AM
rofl
 
Well. Whatever.
 
I like this.
 
I'm at work and not desperate for a lesser new chat experience
 
@sehe that’s nice to warn like that
 
@LucDanton they should implement the same in compilers
gcc: refusing to compile (code is of poor quality)
 
9:14 AM
-Wshit
 
Is "Cursor" a reasonable name to give a class that 'points' to the result of an SQL query and lets you navigate it?
 
that's exactly what it's called lol
SQL cursors
._. are you kidding now
 
Amazon is now working on a game engine: https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/faq/
It is based on CryEngine, and it is all about monetizing your community with twitch.
 
No, I don't know SQL
But Android calls its class that does that the Cursor class and I was wondering why
 
In computer science, a database cursor is a control structure that enables traversal over the records in a database. Cursors facilitate subsequent processing in conjunction with the traversal, such as retrieval, addition and removal of database records. The database cursor characteristic of traversal makes cursors akin to the programming language concept of iterator. Cursors are used by database programmers to process individual rows returned by database system queries. Cursors enable manipulation of whole result sets at once. In this scenario, a cursor enables the rows in a result set to b...
 
9:25 AM
> docs.aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/latest/releasenotes - tfw shitty website with the release notes is down
Promising, Amazon
 
Why would they name that 'cursor'
When I imagine a cursor its the blinky text thing or the mouse pointer
 
what do you think cursor originally means
 
They should have called it a QueryNavigator
 
... That lets you navigate the UI cmon Prismatic.
 
@Prismatic Yes, it is reasonable: the sliding part of a measuring instrument, esp a transparent sliding square on a slide rule
 
Ven
9:26 AM
> We recommend you use a PC with Windows 7 64-bit
kek
 
I didn't know the slidey bits on the slide rule was called a cursor
:d
 
typical uncultured third world pleb
 
rude
 
Cursor may refer to: Cursor (user interface), an indicator used to show the current position for user interaction on a computer monitor or other display device Cursor (databases), a control structure that enables traversal over the records in a database Cursor (slide rule), aids in accurate measurement Cursor Models, made for the Mercedes Benz Museum, and as promotional models Cursor (magazine), an early magazine distributed on cassette from 1978 and into the early 1980s Cursor, a holographic sidekick character from the TV series Automan == See also == Pointer (graphical user interfaces), commonly...
 
9:29 AM
yes thank you
 
mouse cursor is titled "Pointer" in wikipedia, even though mouse cursor is more common
 
do you have anything against uncultured third world plebs though
because that's racist and ableist
 
@LucDanton I was pleasantly surprised
 
> A ridiculously great place to work
Authentically and truly badass
@Rapptz chemiotherapy inbound
authentiquement et véritablement mauvais-cul
 
ass in french is 'cul'?
 
Ven
9:35 AM
yeah. or "fesses"
 
whats the differenece between 'véritablement' and 'vraiment'
 
véritable_ment_?
vraiment: truly
véritable: real, ostensible?
 
no difference afaik
 
@HubertApplebaum tu as pris là un virage radicalement drôle et francophone
 
I'd use véritablement to emphasize though
Vraiment is more speechy in my usage but idk if that's legitimate
@LucDanton jerry
 
9:44 AM
it’s cus véritablement is longer so it has sesquipedalian allure
 
> sesquipedalian
 
Ven
"véritablement" is higher-order
 
what a wonderful word
 
s/vraiment/grave/
 
Ven
"grave" is lower-order.
 
9:46 AM
Authentiquement et grave mauvais-cul
 
Ven
"grave" is to french what "fr fr" is to english.
 
how do you say good night in french
bonne nuit?
 
Yep
 
Okay well, bonne nuit nerds im going to sleep
 
9:47 AM
Though I don't say it, I make it happen
 
 
@Rerito r u a pillow irl???
 
Really useful charts
 
Ven
> I hear they’re hiring down at McDonalds. Enjoy your new job flipping burgers.
damn Parashift.
 
@LucDanton Male waifu
 
9:49 AM
@Ven s/isocpp/MarshallCline aka Parashift/
 
Ven
@sehe thanks
 
Also, stop stalking my comments :)
@Ven Well. It's /on/ the isocpp server these days. There's an interesting clash of language/cultures in there
 
Ven
I just forgot to close the tab, btw. didn't stalk your comments
 
@sehe don't see 419 any where, would downvote
 
Trop tard t'es crâmé
 
Ven
9:53 AM
azi :[
 
@HubertApplebaum like I said, I am immune to the effects of lead so this does not affect me
 
@sehe I've never seen anyone use 422.
 
@Rapptz perhaps to reach that point you have to be designing an API carefully enough that you pick the correct code for the situation, but not carefully enough that the API can be misused to reach that situation to begin with
 
Usually I get crappy 400s instead.
 
9:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--Kgseuy0Q&feature=player_embedded IBM's "the machine" has 75 zettabyte of addressable memory, with 75-bit addresses... Whut?
@Mysticial time to upgrade
Oh wait. It's the bunny. Likely came from that lounge discussion then
 
No.
I got that from a phoronix article
 
Noice
 
Actually, I forgot where I got it from.
I am really more interested in understanding the model behind
Lumberyard + Amazon GameLift + #Twitch for Games on #AWS - http://amzn.to/20HnhbQ https://t.co/1LGRXlNMLY
It really seems like a trap for vaporware. If the community can not host their own servers, and the developers run out of money, the game is basically gone. I am still trying to understand their "redistribution" model
 
does Lumberyard also come with Twitch Chat emote support Kappa
 
@orlp did you ever finish your std::experimental::variant implementation?
 
10:04 AM
Current source file: 8711 LoC
 
in aeronautics that'd be a Cessna
 
That's very very modest
 
idk how people can think it's fine to have a 8kLoC file
 
It's easy
 
as in you need 8k7 LOCs in your cessna right
 
10:06 AM
no I was measuring by weight
 
analogies are the whales of language
> template<bool B> struct dear_god_gcc_please_cache_this;
 
@sehe What do you mean by that? D:
 
@Nican Finally I notice someone's avatar... it raises suspicion :S
12 hours ago, by Mysticial
The 14 and 16 core Haswell-E chips are actually 18 core chips with cores fused off.
Around there. IBM was also mentioned
 
I’m considering posting to one of the std groups
 
Ven
10:10 AM
@Nican you like furries?
@LucDanton t'as le da-si?
 
@LucDanton Did you file your will
 
@LucDanton hepatitis or
fuck, grilled
 
let’s see how much time it takes to change my mind and never go back there
 
@Ven Sure?
 
@Ven posting, not positing
 
10:11 AM
nice
 
Ven
good
 
such comeback
 
Huh? A namespace doesn't have linkage. Oh, it does formally, in C++11 at least. Let me check C++03. This is a bit of nonsense introduced by the committee. Oh my, it was there already in C++03. Oh well. — Cheers and hth. - Alf 15 mins ago
 
Ven
taledoron
 
@Rapptz @Xeo we talked (separately) about ADL, hijacking, and customization points and I run into this nice food for thought
 
10:24 AM
@Morwenn are you around
 
@HubertApplebaum I am.
 
> Many of the interesting advances/abuses (depending on your point of
view) in template metaprogramming and expression SFINAE were due to
people doing things with the language that were not foreseen. Those
features allowed people to try new things that weren't originally seen
as practical use cases. If artificial limitations had been imposed to
forbid everything without a practical use case the language would be
very different today, and we'd probably have Java generics rather than
concepts.
 
I forgot the name for the search algorithm that does a split (like binary search) but instead of choosing the split point as the mid point of arrays it chooses it based on the underlying distribution of values
Do you know it?
 
I'm going to start a new project on github that use another library on github that is constantly changing, should I just leave an empty folder in my project with a note to place it in there?
 
@Rapptz $100% post hoc
 
10:26 AM
@HubertApplebaum Never heard of that.
 
Oh come on now you were my last hope
 
Just read The Art of Computer Programming, Volume 3 and it might contain the algorithm.
 
@LucDanton yup
 
I'm trying to find the name for Tony because I forgot
I use it here with a combination of exponential search
crap
Interpolation search! that's it
 
> sometimes referred to as extrapolation search
make up your mind!
 
10:29 AM
Glad I could help.
 
Thanks :D
 
shit
I think I might have a codegen issue :s
 
for when UB is not enough
 
@Morwenn will you implement those? :D
 
> […] I've more than 100 inventory slots filled with stacks of exotic luck […]
 
10:34 AM
that's literally 2 letters away from erotic fuck
 
whoah let’s keep it to platonic fucks shall we
 
exotic fuck is good too
 
Ven
oh it's morwenn
 
ITT morwenn is an exotic fuck
 
10:37 AM
Also omg it's Robot
 
Ven
now that's ableism
can't be. robot's dead.
 
Spaced out:

'does the file contain properly formatted data?'
...
'I'm not sure. I just used space bars.'
 
obv. you can as_const but some things really abstract over cv-quals (and begin is in fact a good example of that), so that’s not always the thing to do
yesterday, by Luc Danton
@AndyProwl he does pop in, just seems too busy to chat
Lounge<Haunted>
lol it’s hilarious with an ellipsis overload, GCC and Clang disagree on the result but none is useful
how2adl
 
Xeo
ADL is drifting more and more into "fuck this" territory...
 
(X&&, ...) and (innocent<X> const&) are ambiguous :|
@Xeo tbh I’d sooner blame forwarding references
should have been X&&&
I genuinely have no idea how you write a catch-all overload of last resort, I would have thought (auto&&, ...) would be it
 
10:45 AM
 
Xeo
@LucDanton ye
 
@HubertApplebaum m8 it completely doesn’t work
 
Ven
wow, hubert actually knows CUDA stuff.
 
@LucDanton let me try a different one
@Ven what does that even mean
 
10:48 AM
> error: '...' in this location creates a C-style varargs function [-Werror,-Wambiguous-ellipsis]
oh my god I know stop being useful
 
Ven
I love showing :zone to people.
 
> E149: Sorry, no help for :zone
 
@HubertApplebaum I'm into sorting, not into searching.
 
@Morwenn ah yes I must have confused you with someone else
note that a search library would be p neat also
 
stop outsourcing here
 
11:00 AM
ikr
Hubert "Do my job pls" Applebum
 
I didn't ask for nothin'
 
welp in the end I didn’t post
sort of at a loss of idea right now
 
@HubertApplebaum I would annoy the fuck out of everyone for months with graphs and searching algorithms.
 
I count that as a bonus
so when are you starting exactly
 
lol
 
11:03 AM
oh wait you can check for direct binding with the ternary operator I think, here’s that slight glimmer of hope once again
 
kinky
 
> The man, in his 40s, (...), was acquitted in 2015 at a retrial after claiming the alleged victim had consented.
 
oh hey I never wrote requires !requires before
 
> A further court hearing in May will decide whether the interim order should be made into a full order, which has a minimum duration of two years and can last indefinitely.
 
11:05 AM
and they say Haskell syntax is obscure
 
IDGI. He was cleared of wrong doing yet he is limited on his freedoms?
 
@HubertApplebaum Sorry I already have design issues.
 
it's ok you can take a couple days to think about it
 
And I only know linear and binary search.
 
@LucDanton I don't get this dank meme
can you break it down
why is requires requires a thing?
is it just a GCC quirk or is it a Concepts in general quirk?
 
Xeo
11:08 AM
one is the function qualifier, the other defines a concept, IIRC
and if you define the concept inline, you get requires requires { ... }
 
@Morwenn Implement lounger_search(). Keeps printing 'yep, I'm onto it' to std::cout while doing nothing. For bonus points, provide an asynchronous overload returning a future that throws a meh_exception on get().
5
 
yeah it’s like noexcept(noexcept(
Nov 11 '15 at 5:42, by Luc Danton
just realised how dumb colouring C++ syntax such as noexcept(noexcept(0)) or requires requires(int i) { ++i; } is
@Xeo not just function btw
 
@AndyProwl Yep, I'm onto it.
 
lol
 
template<typename X> requires requires { 0; } auto foo() noexcept(noexcept(true)) -> decltype(auto) requires requires { 0; };
takes me two tries lol
 
11:13 AM
why not adding noexcept(noexcept(true))
 
@AndyProwl very astute
 
sweet
 
then you can take the sizeof sizeof that thing
 
lol
 
@Rapptz That's how you win
 
11:15 AM
but hey we’re getting concise syntax so there
 
Where are the contracts?
 
too bad you can't call that function override and add override at the end
 
Take a long long parameter too.
@AndyProwl Why couldn't you?
 
@Morwenn cause it's a template
 
Oh, right.
 
11:16 AM
but yeah, long long would fit
 
yeah long long is good
 
we don’t have a collaborative online editor for that sort of stuff do we?
i.e. write the joke, post the link, anybody can contribute
 
I remember a while back we tried one
 
there's the gist meme list
 
closest thing is gist I think?
 
11:17 AM
that was like 3 years ago though
 
@Rapptz that rings a bell
 
maybe it's gotten better 3 years later
floobits.com found it
 
@Rapptz ya no thanks
 
instant black list more like
 
11:22 AM
> “I tell everyone I know about Floobits. It's freaking amazing.”
everyone
<insert toilet meme>
 
it didn't render my \n
 
as expected very vandalism-prone
 
Simple. Collaborative. Text.
 
Adjectives. Nouns.
 
11:28 AM
> Petition to recall Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder approved by state board (s.mlive.com)
I live in a gr8 state
good thing Scott doesn't live in Flint
 
mmmh that’s weird concepts and constraints are starting to be useful
GCC is pinpointing me to an an actual atom instead of repeating the whole constraints of the offending function
 
requires requires wow.
Maybe they could special case that so you don't need both requires ?
 
11:49 AM
what would we make fun of then?
 
meta
it's like meat, but in a different order
 
We could make fun of fun.
 
for fun?
 
throw throw throw
 
12:10 PM
needs more constructor
 
user1804599
@thetinygallery
Tiny exhibits from the tiny gallery. By @deer_ful. Tell me if the gallery looks broken; I only have iOS & OS X. https://t.co/21g1in3OI4 https://t.co/WTRnHbIMj2
33 tweets, 414 followers, following 1 users
 
user1804599
lol
 
> check copy.ops.get() == a.ops.get() failed [0x1992090 != 0x437e10]
what kind of address is that 'copy' holding
 
I've got nothing to code today.
 
> Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
I think I’ll investigate this one tomorrow, another day another bug
 
12:18 PM
> Q. Can my game use an alternate web service instead of AWS?
No. If your game servers use a non-AWS alternate web service, we obviously don’t make any money, and it’s more difficult for us to support future development of Lumberyard.
wew
 
@Rapptz what is lumberyard?
 
Amazon's new and exciting game engine of course.
aws.amazon.com/de/lumberyard/faq prepare to be disappointed
 
Ell
Based on crysis
And open source supposedly
 
not open source
source provided
 
Wow they used "full source" to build it!
 
12:20 PM
big difference
 
licensing?
 
Ven
@Morwenn write a blog post about that
 
@Ven I don't have a blog and I'm not planning to get one :o
 
Ven
j0r ta pa 2 skibloje
 
oh you can use your own server
seems fair
 
Ven
12:21 PM
yes
 
what big differance @Rapptz?
 
@Rapptz looked good to me
 
@Nishant open source means I can modify it and redistribute it
I can only do the former here
 
@Ven tro 2004 mec
 
so it's source provided
 
Ven
12:22 PM
@Morwenn a dsl
 
ohkk
 
> Q. Is Lumberyard “open source”?
No. We make the source code available to enable you to fully customize your game, but your rights are limited by the Lumberyard Service Terms. For example, you may not publicly release the Lumberyard engine source code, or use it to release your own game engine.
 
ok
thnx @Ra
@Rapptz
 
> Q. If I build a single-player game that uses no cloud connectivity, do I have to pay to use the engine?
No, in this case you would pay us nothing.
 
I didn’t look the terms proper but from the tone of the FAQ I got the impression that it’s intended you can modify it for the purpose of making games (and hence I assume distributing them, otherwise what’s the point), but you can’t distribute middleware/infrastructure/engines etc.
 
12:24 PM
yeah
you can do the same thing with e.g. UE4.
anyway seems fair
 
Ven
That moment when you read a message in the backlog, think "I don't remember about that" and realize you plonked them :\.
 
I didn't notice the special clause for your own server
I think vendor lock-in is lame
 
Ven
@LucDanton that's exactly what they say in their FAQ, fwiw
 
@Rapptz I’ve never looked into how e.g. people can exchange code snippets in that sort of situation
 
they can't afaik
 
12:27 PM
@Rapptz what a bold position to take
 
I think all modifications have to be internal.
 
@HubertApplebaum still waiting
 
@Morwenn I hope they're not intelligent
 
@sehe Nope, only clever.
Not even smart.
 
clever design is ok
 
12:46 PM
@LucDanton I lost the template
 
@Rapptz Can never have too many toys to play with :P
 
@HubertApplebaum template<typename T> auto meme() { return keep_going(); }
meh that was hard to fix
I can't C++ anymore
 
memify.js
 
momify.js
 
@AndyProwl that means the rehab is working
 
12:54 PM
I'll need a reherb
 
Ven
$colleague is insisting that the result of "a.b()", on which he then calls ".c()", can't be stored. "it doesn't exist!", he says. okay.
 
jfc is it Yann Le Cun or LeCun
why the fuck does he spell his name LeCun
 

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