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4:00 PM
@MadameElyse Can I shoot you down?
 
it's not a set-in-stone setup, those things can be rearranged
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
That's illegal.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Things above a sofa aren't generally the best idea, except pictures.
 
I don't like sitting below furniture like this, but that's me
 
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4:00 PM
Besides, I'm eating food from the Italian cuisine today.
 
Also p much necessary for a projector :P
 
@slaphappy there are ceiling mounts but they are much uglier
 
Yeah, and you're still sitting below it
 
@slaphappy Yeah right, still the fear to get crushed by the falling furniture
 
@slaphappy eh they extend only about 30cm from the wall
a typical sofa back cushion will be more or less this thick
so your head is clear out of it
 
4:02 PM
If I was you I'd go with the absolute minimum to hold the projector.
 
@slaphappy yeah that's the idea. The unit is ~25cm + power cable/hdmi extending from the back
I also like the additional storage space, it cleans up the room
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah but still ^^ I mean furniture don't usually fall, but it's still uncomfortable, regardless of actual head crushing probability
 
user1804599
> ValueNotInScope ">>="
 
user1804599
:(
 
Yeah
 
I'd go with a single slate
 
Fuck me I hate public speaking
It's really not my thing
 
@Shoe I love it
 
@Shoe what are you speaking about
 
@BartekBanachewicz What kind of public speaking have you done?
 
4:05 PM
@Shoe dunno some trainings and presentations
 
@slaphappy Some shit about software engineering documents I have little to no clue about
@BartekBanachewicz To who?
 
I am also gonna speak at upcoming conference
 
Why??
 
Because it's required
For a uni course
 
Uni?
 
4:06 PM
It's my absolute hell. I'd rather write 6 tests each of 3 hours each.
 
I'm going through the biggest dilemma of my life now
 
It's less stressful because no one cares right?
 
to KFC or not to KFC
 
user3790646
@AlexM. What is it?
 
user3790646
@AlexM. Oh welps
 
4:06 PM
It's not like people are paying to hear you speak
 
@slaphappy Nope, everybody cares.
 
Weird
Choose another subject, like snail phenotypes across the continents
 
Xeo
@thecoshman What Braket said, Flammkuchen
 
I guess you didn't choose?
 
The other groups are there to get new ideas and improve their own projects by listening to what others say, the professor is there to evaluate us, and the company that hired us is there to figure out how much it will cost and whether the requirements we identified are cool.
 
4:07 PM
@Xeo lol, I was convinced it started with a T
 
It's like the opposite of not caring
 
Holy shit XD
 
lol, wikipedia consider it a French thing :P
 
It is, I think
 
Once you start speaking, everybody from the audience takes a magnifying glass and analizes every hair on your body, while you speak
 
4:09 PM
Except before WWII when it was German :P
 
Lol @slaphappy the commercial from quanteam just called
They really want me (I aced their C++ test)
 
@Rerito how did it go?
Make them fucking pay
 
And if you make some bad joke and for a second you stop to think, a wind of awkwardness invades the room and everybody starts to be pissed off internally.
 
50 or bust
 
And Oguz bluffed them telling I'm negotiating with other companies
 
4:10 PM
And you feel frustrated for them, because they are there listening to a moron.
 
Yeah, I know. I asked him to nudge a bit :P
 
So you have to try to go fairly fast to not loose their attention, but not too fast to look like you are agitated.
Oh and remember not to mumble, otherwise everybody looks at you like you are some kind of alien.
 
Although you should really consider freelancing, you're going almost x2 in salary
 
Got 37/40 on their little test
Oué mais pas de retraite, mutuelle et compagnie
 
You're getting that part for yourself
 
4:12 PM
And everybody is serious, but you want to try to look cool, so you try to smile, but you are also agitated to the point where the body simply doesn't respond to the smile command, and your faces takes up the weirdest form.
 
@slaphappy with more work
 
Like a sad smile
 
the advantage of freelancing is that you can work like crazy for a large amount of money
 
And you know that, and that makes you wonder whether that awkward smile or a very serious face are your only options.
 
@AlexM. No, exact same work. Just different contract.
 
4:12 PM
steady pay with a relaxed fixed time job is the best
 
Because if they are, you are very screwed.
Oh, and best of all?
 
Well, it's a full time job, I'ld be hired as a freelance consultant
 
You have other 6 people that depend on you for their grade, so if you screw it up everybody else that you love pay.
 
@AlexM. It's France, where you freelance for 35hr weeks and get paid x2
 
Plus I may move out from my current flat and without a CDI it's kinda fucked
@slaphappy Yeah "35h" lol
 
4:13 PM
@slaphappy x2 the salary of a professor? :A
A::A:A:A:A:A:A
 
Did I mention that I suffer from anxiety?
Yeah, that too.
 
std::get_temporary_buffer, there we go again.
 
Will surely come into play with some weird dizzyness before and during the presentation.
Because why not?
One more bomb in a nuclear winter doesn't matter much
 
@AlexM. No it's for Rerito. I have a shitty underpaid contract. That's why I'm moving out.
 
Guess I owe Oguz a beer as well lol
You're in an ESN (yeah brand new name thanks for the input btw :p) as well?
 
4:16 PM
@slaphappy not sure I got that
basically I'm trying to tell you
that I find it hard to believe people would choose anything but freelancing in france
if freelancing meant more money and less work
 
@AlexM. Freelancing means more "raw" money, but it's completely different from a common job contract
 
@AlexM. It's really really hard to find a contract yourself. The ESNs (portage companies) own all the market.
 
On your final wage, you got social contributions withdrawn
 
@Rerito ik
 
If you're a freelance dude, you have a completely different status and you have to make these social stuff all by yourself
 
4:18 PM
@AlexM. There's a few exceptions, such as in banking when you introduce a friend. But it's very rare.
 
Wow, Atwood can be a real asshole.
 
do you want to like get hired as a freelancer and still work in their offices or w/e
 
(Private insurance, retirement fund and so on)
Plus, if you do not have a permanent contract, it's a real PITA to get a mortgage or simply a rent contract
 
@Rerito doesn't want to, because he says it's not that much better compared to a fixed contract. I disagree.
 
Which you wouldn't have as a freelancer
 
4:20 PM
But it's hard to do the math before, so you have to guess.
 
I dunno I wouldn't switch
how trivial is it for a freelancer to get a loan from a bank?
since they require at least 6 months on a contract
 
Not trivial
 
Not trivial at all I would say
At least much less than with a permanent contract
 
But you don't need loans since you're SO RICH
 
But yeah the pay would be much higher since as a freelancer you would cut the margin of the consultancy company
 
4:21 PM
 
that makes sense then
 
BTW the guy was in awe before my C++ skillz
And I'm no sehe lol
 
If you can squeeze all the money from the consultancy (which is what Rerito is doing), the difference is less important
@Rerito those guys all suck
 
can you not like turn yourself into a company
 
Fuck me
 
4:22 PM
@AlexM. That's what going freelance is about (more or less)
 
They're all WOW YOU ARE A GOD OF C++ and when you ask for a raise they're all "but you are young and inexperienced"
 
I should read a book in italian
I forgot many italian words during the last 5 years
 
@Shoe where do you live in?
 
read the lordio of the ringgio
3
 
@bitcode Italy
 
4:23 PM
@Shoe lol
 
Which ones did you forgot?
ew.com
ew
 
I mostly talk with you guys, listen to english tv shows, read english books, listen to programming english talks and only randomly talk to my friends
 
andiamo
I know that one
 
But the vocabulary required to talk with friends and family is very restricted
 
HI. I am new to progaming and deciding to read a new book. Is Programming: Principles and Practice Using C++ a good choice.?
 
4:25 PM
So many times english words comes to my mind before italian ones
And I have to ask the listener what's the translation from english to italian of some word
 
What's the Italian for template metaproframming?
 
That might be weird during a presentation
 
@Shoe I have the same issue. I rarely talk Flemish and then when I do (only with family) I have to think about my words
 
@slaphappy Exactly! And "we've got other people from the same background we cannot pay you higher than them!"
 
@Shoe it happens to me too. when I mention this to my friends they think I'm trying to show off or something.
 
4:26 PM
lol flemish
 
@bitcode Yeah, me too.
 
@slaphappy shush you
 
@slaphappy pasta metaformaggio
 
They began to believe me just few months ago
After years with this condition
 
But I put my ballz on the table. What a great feeling that was
 
4:27 PM
They actually explain that to new people that we meet too sometimes
Like I'm some kind of mentally retarded kid
 
@AlexM. Sounds delicious
flemme is laziness in french
 
@ŽigaGazvoda This is the list with C++ books. If it's on there, then yes
 
@Shoe Same for me. Of course, the fact that I don't know Italian at all might have a little to do with that...
 
"Oh, yeah. Don't worry if he forgets some english words every now and then."
 
Jerry, are you english?
 
4:28 PM
@JerryCoffin Might be that
 
@bitcode 'Murrican.
 
any english person here? I wanna know if any one knows Karl Pilkington
 
karl plonkington
 
Anyway, if the offer is good next thursday, we might have a celebration to do @slaphappy!
 
Ohhhh celebrations :)
 
4:28 PM
I need to detox from english
 
@bitcode for the legit englishman experience go to Bar<C++>
 
That will be very hard
 
@Shoe find an Italian version of the Lounge
 

Bar<C++>

General discussion for alcoholic programmers who are out of lo...
 
@AlexM. can I go there even if I'm not an englishman?
 
4:29 PM
@bitcode I don't see any of the usual UK suspects at the moment, but I think it's a fair bet that this Karl Pilkington has a minimum of one friend, or at least acquaintance.
 
100% of my entertainment comes with english language
 
@bitcode yes
 
TV-shows, games, youtube videos, talks, you
 
Internet is just easier in English
 
also I see LRiO became PreferenceBean
what's a preference bean
 
4:30 PM
programming
Even programming languages are in english
 
@Shoe English isn't toxic. It's just...mildly venomous.
 
@Shoe Oh there's an italian dude in my team. He's awesome!
 
@AlexM. It's when people discriminate in favor of Mr. Bean, obviously.
 
Even culturally speaking though
I have no idea what's going on in Italy
 
Pasta
 
4:31 PM
Like who's the president, what are other parties, who's popular on TV or what TV show is on the most
 
Surely Pasta is going on
 
I live in a world I know nothing about
 
@Shoe I know how you can get to know everything about italy again: start using Facebook again
 
I can't believe I'm just now realizing how detached I am from my home and my friends.
 
please reattach yourself
 
4:33 PM
but first, let's sleep
 
its friday though
why sleep now?
 
@Shoe do this when you speak: italywise.com/wp-content/uploads/image2.jpg this will make you sound more italian
 
@bitcode I imagine him doing that during some intense jeffscussion
 
hey, @TonyTheLion you're english, arent ya?
 
@Shoe No loss--Italy actually has no culture. For culture, you need to go to Greece. They must have a lot of culture, given how popular Greek Yogurt has become.
 
4:36 PM
@bitcode I live in England, but I'm not English
 
@Rerito cool :)
 
@TonyTheLion are you from UK?
 
@bitcode Nope
 
@TonyTheLion french?
 
Jan 8 '12 at 23:34, by Tony The Lion
I'm BELGIAN
 
4:38 PM
@bitcode ...
 
@TonyTheLion ever heard of karl pilkington?
 
@TonyTheLion Seriously?
 
@TonyTheLion I barely slept tonight
 
Anyway, gtg weekend! (Sing Friday along with me)
 
@bitcode I've heard of him
 
4:39 PM
Waken up by 16 calls from the same operator trying to sell me some service
Then I figured out how to block him
 
Put your phone on silent
 
I've found this beautiful option where you can say "send all calls from X to voicemail"
I'm sure he is having fun now
 
How the heck do you spam 16 calls each 1-2 minutes apart
You gotta have no soul
 
4:41 PM
He is probably a ginger
That might explain it
 
stupid linkedin
you don't get mail notifications when someone answers to a mail you sent
that's like the only thing I ever cared about being notified on linkedin for like 4 years of use
 
I'm kidding... I love gingers
Or do I?
 
but nooooo
 
@slaphappy what was your name before this one?
I cant remember
 
@Shoe Of course. Everybody liked Ginger.
 
4:48 PM
@JerryCoffin That looks like the flintstones movie girl
 
@bitcode it's a secret
 
people, a quick question on rand(). Working on a project abt it using omp.
The seeding with " srand(time(NULL))" is too slow for me.
 
laffo
 
My application runs and finishes within 1 sec. So all i get is the same values
Is there a better way to seed for the generator?
 
Don't use rand().
 
4:52 PM
then?
 
<random> exists for a reason
 
user1804599
No idea what's going on.
 
I think I forgot to mention. But its a headert for c?
 
user1804599
random is a C++ header.
 
user1804599
4:55 PM
It provides random number generation facilities.
 
look at the name of the room
 
aah i though so. For c?
 
of course it's C++
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
C is off-topic in Lounge<C++>.
 
4:55 PM
I am sorry milleniumbug, but the last time i remember seeing ppl taking c too....
ok madame, ty anyways!
 
@powersource97 don't think you'll see many people recommending any C libraries here, though :p
 
try lounge_c
 
not recommending, just discussing :P, ok will do that slaphappy, ty!
 
"Go back in time and give Bjarne Stroustroup and Dennis Ritchie advice about C and C++" awwwww fuckin' yeah this assignment is gonna be great.
 
user1804599
declaration syntax
 
user1804599
5:02 PM
context-sensitivity
 
@ThePhD modules!
also those are in the wrong order :p
 
user1804599
You can't use these anymore now since that's cheating.
 
unicode
 
gasp
 
user1804599
Unicode didn't exist back then.
 
5:05 PM
maybe rethink the whole function pointer crap, and add first class function support instead :>
 
char*
shudder
 
@ThePhD Is this in the class taught by Bjarne?
 
user1804599
FCFs doesn't really fit into C.
 
user1804599
It's too high-level.
 
user1804599
You can't easily predict the layout, and it requires dynamic allocation.
 
5:07 PM
screw C, send that advice to bjarne
 
for C it really ought to be functions that don't check size before copying into a fixed size buffer
 
@ThePhD I hope there isn't a 140 character limit on this message :p
@TonyTheLion you want more of those? gotcha
 
._. MS has "deferred" my bug report about C++14 aggregate initialization ._.
 
@TonyTheLion Fewer. Expecting less of them than they deliver would be next to impossible.
 
5:12 PM
@JerryCoffin I'm not sure I follow
 
Ell
@ThePhD multimethods pls
 
@TonyTheLion Functions are countable, so you want fewer of them. To want "less of them" would mean that you want them to do or deliver less--which (given the poor quality they currently deliver) would be difficult to imagine.
 
Ell
functions are countable?
how so? o.O
 
@Ell You can have one function or two functions, but you don't have (for example) 14.7 grams of functions.
 
5:20 PM
@Ell One function, two functions, three functions
 
oh I get it now
 
@JerryCoffin of course not. the unit is funcitons
 
sup Ellington?
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin Oh. I thought you meant mappable onto the naturals
 
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Q: Linker error with Boost 1.60 and VS 2013 on x64

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5:23 PM
@Ell ...which they are. It may well be that nobody knows the exact number of functions in existence at any given time, but yes, at any given instant there is some value N that corresponds to the number of functions ever written in all programming languages combined (at least for some definition of "function").
 
I renamed my old boost directory, it's showing that the old boost directory not found. Can't change the dependency location to the new boost directory. Need Qt guys to help me.
 
So it's taking the libs from somewhere else. There are no miracles. :( — sehe 7 hours ago
The boost master already looked at it
 
@melak47 That's kind of the point though--with liquids (for example) you don't count things, you measure them. You might measure mass or you might measure volume, but you're still measuring, not counting. On a purely theoretical level, you could count atoms or molecules, but in practice you (virtually) never actually do.
 
Love the Earth track of AC2
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Technically, due to quantum mechanics type stuff, everything is counting. Everything is discrete.
 
5:25 PM
oh you pedants
 
@JerryCoffin funcitons measure the amount of functionality provided by a function. void noop(){} weighs in at about 0 funcitons, for example :p
 
@Lalaland Sure--at least on a theoretical level (though this is one of the reasons I think of calculus as kind of a "cheat").
@TonyTheLion Lounge<C++> and you're bothered by pedants.
 
user406009
@melak47 So, how much funcitons would char[] getMSVCExecutible(); rate?
 
@JerryCoffin Yea, I should really be used to it by now
 
user406009
Seems like a unit of measurment which is not only hard to measure, but undecidable to measure.
 
5:29 PM
@Lalaland clearly -inf
 
user406009
bool thisFunctionHasZeroFuncitons() for instance is only useful and true if it has zero funcitons.
 
user406009
@Borgleader I would worry about arm strain though.
 
user406009
That would take a lot of forearm strength to maintain for a long time.
 
user406009
5:42 PM
Also, it would be much better if they had a hamster ball as well.
 
user1804599
def main [
    "HELLO" !print P
    "WORLD" print
]
 
user1804599
IT WORKS WOOOHOOO
 
!print?
 
@Lalaland Me too
Its cool though, I mean for a few minutes at a time, gives you a fresh perspective on the level youre working on I guess
 
@Lalaland You can't measure the number of funcitons without knowing whether the function always halts, so yeah, undecidable.
 
5:50 PM
@JerryCoffin you're talking about the number of functions in calls in a single instance?
 
user1804599
@melak47 !print.
 
not print?
 
user1804599
[!print x] desugars to (print {x} bind).
 
user1804599
def main (
    "HELLO" print
    { P "WORLD" print }
    bind
)
 
user1804599
You could have written it like this.
 
5:53 PM
mkay
 
What is P?
 
user1804599
P pops the top element off the stack.
 
@KhaledKhnifer The discussion is basically of the utility provided by a function--how much it accomplishes.
 
@Ell What are multimethods.
@caps Yes.
 
user1804599
@ThePhD Normal methods dispatch on a single parameter (typically called this or self). Multimethods dispatch on more than one parameter.
 
5:56 PM
@MadameElyse Couldn't you just leave "HELLO" on the stack and push "WORLD" on top of it?
 
@MadameElyse Sounds like a nightmare and not that useful.
 
user1804599
@Maxpm print pops "HELLO" off the stack already.
 
user1804599
It's reverse Polish notation.
 
Aaaaaaaaaaaah.
 
Ell
@ThePhD visitor pattern is awful man
 
5:57 PM
@MadameElyse So then what does bind do?
 
@TonyTheLion Deefinitely going to tell him that.
 
user1804599
Same as >>= in Haskell: it takes an I/O action and combines it with a function that returns another I/O action.
 
> Why is a chunk of working memory called a “buffer”? johndcook.com/blog/2010/10/25/buffers
 
@melak47 What does "first class function support" entail? Lambdas right off the bat?
 
user1804599
I/O actions are programs that perform I/O.
 
5:58 PM
IIRC operator() existed since forever.
 
@ThePhD well yeah lambdas are cool, but also passing functions around directly without having to convert to a function pointer of a particular overload.
 
@JerryCoffin well you can force the call structure to be a tree by defining functions in layers and limiting functions to only be able to call a function from a lower degree.
 
user1804599
Rather than perform I/O directly, you compose I/O actions and return one from main, which is then invoked by the environment.
 
@ThePhD They can be kinda handy. Common Lisp (well, CLOS, technically) supports them. Once you're accustomed to them, they can eliminate a lot of semi-pointless discussions about things like when you want to detect a collision between an object and a wall, should that be part of the object or the wall?
 
@JerryCoffin free function \o/
 

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