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12:00 AM
also: heyyyyyy
 
sup nerds <3 Sorry for Mumble yesterday, expected lines 2470-2510 in a source file deep within the animation system turned into 2470-5000.
 
@ElimGarak <3
 
@ElimGarak yea I missed you <3
 
I'd cut it into smaller pieces, but euphoria-like skeletal self preserving behavior 1/5.cpp doesn't quite work.
 
brrrr. I'm reading our code base here. Finding all kinds of nifty code like custom spinlocks, rw-locks. They come with runtime-optional profiling, so each scoped-lock destructor... Adds a statistic entry for lock duration to a global map (?!)
Just. What.
 
12:04 AM
Sounds like you've got your work cut out for you. :P
 
@sehe Whats... the problem with that?
 
Get this. Not only does this defeat the whole purpose of having "fast locks": it will instead lock other locks in order to the profiling...
 
user1804599
hi sehe :)
 
user1804599
how was the first work week
 
@Borgleader contention would be the first thing I would guess
 
12:05 AM
Well sure, but is it uh #ifdef'able? i mean surely you dont profile the locks all the time?
 
> Congrats to @bethesdastudios Todd Howard on this year's ‪#‎GDC2016‬ Lifetime Achievement Award ow.ly/XZPiu
Oh, fuck that guy. He's been making Morrowind for the past 10 years. Well, not him. He's just taking credit. Ayyy.
 
user406009
@sehe Isn't it supposed to be "optional"? And disabled during production?
 
@Borgleader I dunno. It's ifdeffable, but that's not the case
 
office cat i want one of those
 
It also thrashes any information that could have been logged (because a lock name key is .. concatenated as a std::string on the fly). Now get this, the statistics are being written by (hahaha) checking whether the key already exists under a read lock, if so, read the current value under another read lock, and only then, write the new value under a write lock.
 
12:06 AM
an office cat would be nice
I mean we have a Lounge cat
but he's well grumpy :P
 
@Borgleader nice batman
 
user406009
@sehe Wow, fail.
 
user406009
Learn2Lock
 
@sehe Oh goodie! Just think--a custom lock that can create a deadlock.
 
How do they not spot the multiple race conditions? How do they not spot the horrible performance of repeated locking for a single operation? How do they not even spot the undefined behaviour in the data race?
 
12:07 AM
@sehe wait what why
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin I don't think a deadlock is really possible in this case. Can you explain how it would be?
 
user406009
Seems like you would always take them in the correct order.
 
@sehe Probably not really understanding threading properly, I hazard as a wild guess
 
@JerryCoffin I'm not convinced it's that bad (I haven't checked, but I wager that there is a precaution making sure the locks involved when filing stats are not ... actually being tracked)
 
12:08 AM
awwww
 
@TonyTheLion Mmm. Dunno how I shall approach this. I guess I'll just make this one "bullet" (is lock profiling being used?).
 
@Lalaland If everybody takes locks in the same order, it might be deadlock free--but if even one place acquires them in a different order...pop goes the weasel!
 
@Borgleader oh man that is adorable
 
Then if "no" I can say "Good, I was hoping we could get rid of that unsafe, useless code"
If "yes" I will propose "Can we replace it by something safe that will actually be useful"
@JerryCoffin Same order. It's RAII (it could be worse)
 
oooh, neat
 
12:11 AM
@sehe Okay--so at least it might actually work (at least for some loose definition of "work") anyway.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
look how cute
 
wat
 
@MadameElyse -1. Not enough jQuery Floof.
 
12:13 AM
needs more red panda
@jaggedSpire ^^^
 
user406009
@sehe What's your replacement plan? I can't seem to think of an easy, lockfree way to do the logging.
 
user406009
Unless you have a lockfree map implementation lying around.
 
@jaggedSpire With such fire fireworks work.
 
@JerryCoffin yup, it "works". But there are quite a few iffy spots. Some always-false conditions and useless abs() calls involving unsigned comparisons here and there, code following this rough pattern:
shared_ptr<T> instance;
if (config) { instance.reset(make_it(config)); }
T& ref = *instance;
 
So, I decided to keep my 15" MBP docked permanently because of its size and power requirements with the GPU. And got a 13" MBP to carry around. I await your scorn, gentlemen.
 
12:16 AM
@ElimGarak lol
 
@Lalaland I'd suggest the tracking (not logging) is not needed, but I'd suggest doing the accumulation thread local and propagate using atomics. And of course make it a non-string key so you don't have that. Finally, make it statically switched
 
Hurry up before I meet nick at Starbucks, so we can discuss node.js or something.
 
@ElimGarak oh you. Not sure if I can still love you.
 
user406009
@sehe Ah, yes. I forget about thread local. That would work.
 
Depending on how they're implemented (profiling required)
 
12:17 AM
But to make it up to you guise, I just set it up and did dis.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Wait, you are meeting nick?
 
Atomics could be fine, but then again, it's likely that they would be fine without the tracking and just using standard locks
 
user406009
Are you in HK right now or something?
 
@ElimGarak pfff nerd
 
12:17 AM
ayyy, on a scale from 0 to nerd
 
user406009
@sehe But why would you reset a shared pointer? Seems like in one case you would have aliasing and the other you wouldn't, probably leading to bugs.
 
ALL HANDS, BATTLE STATIONS.
 
@ElimGarak haha
 
@Lalaland it's a preference I guess. It's not about that even.
 
12:20 AM
Hello guys in what language is a pdf file formatted??
 
Visual Basic
 
Thanks
 
user406009
Have fun.
 
user406009
(Or, more likely, not)
 
12:21 AM
how is pudef formed
 
how is pointar formad?
 
@Lalaland Could be worse (at least it's not .psd).
 
user406009
@sehe Then what's your issue with it? The pointless reference?
 
@JerryCoffin Oh, gawd, that piece of shit
 
@Lalaland The unconditional dereference
 
user406009
12:24 AM
@sehe Oh, I thought instance had come from somewhere else, like a function parameter, thus my question about aliasing.
 
The declaration is actually right there. The initialization is conditional. The use... not so much
 
user1804599
preference is short for pointless reference
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Well at least the psd format spec is shorter. Who the heck comes up with these 1300 page PDF specs?
 
Apparently, that never happens. Still worrisome code
 
user406009
Do people even read specs that large?
 
12:26 AM
@Lalaland Have you ever worked with psd files? :P
If you don't get Jerry's joke, try it. :P
 
user406009
@ElimGarak No. And I don't plan to.
 
user406009
Screw that.
 
.p(t)sd
 
@TonyTheLion In the beginning, the Backus created Fortran, and saw that it was good. Then Kemeny and Kurtz created BASIC, and it was good. But the memory remained void and formless, accessible only by peeks and pokes. Then, the lord god Ritchie did invent C, and lo the pointer gave form and substance to the memory, and the programmers saw that it was good. Then the great god Stepanov did bring into being the iterator, and it was very good!
7
 
@Poweti pardon me? You respect the site enough that when there is a barrier to entrance, you side step it? — sehe 7 secs ago
 
user1804599
12:29 AM
lol this guy thinks you can't have an atmosphere without an ozone layer
 
user406009
@sehe I really wish they got rid of that commenting rep requirement.
 
Dem legal threats, tho.
 
@Lalaland Yeah. But regardless, that attitude is worse
 
user1804599
he also thinks you can only classify minerals by their smell and taste LOL
 
user406009
Wow, I sometimes wonder how the people at r/writingprompts come up with such hilarious prompts.
 
user406009
12:32 AM
> [EU] "Yer a wizard, Harry!" Hagrid declares, explaining to the boy that he is destined to follow in his father's footsteps and lead the KKK.
 
@Lalaland Medical advances have extended average life spans by decades. Over the next century, this will probably continue. Even so, after a thousand more years of this, life will still be too short to waste time on something as ugly as PSD.
 
@AlexM. It didn't get through. Due to the 4 hours.
 
@JerryCoffin Starred for effort
 
@Shoe sux more $$ for the devs then I guess
 
@AlexM. No. If you md5 hash your email and put that in the URL as described (by forcing the default) there you can get the actual default image
 
12:34 AM
flying tackle /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
 
Ayyy, it's Alex <3
 
@AlexM. yup
 
@jaggedSpire awww thanks :)
 
@jaggedSpire Murderous floof rage in its eyes
 
@ElimGarak ^_^
 
12:35 AM
Give me the MD5 hash of your email or your email and I'll show you
 
@ElimGarak hiya
@Shoe na this identicon is ok too
I don't have the patience to remake it
I have to search for the original put it back in gimp take out the bad parts, replace it with the identicon etc
 
oh no! /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
 
D'awww <3
A wild Shoe appeared. :) :D Hi Shoe :) <3
 
Hi bby
 
how was your day?
 
12:37 AM
Anyway, if you put the email hash there: http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/<md5 hash of email>?d=identicon&f=y you can get your default identicon.
 
> TIL that Vegas is running out of water and electricity. After a 14-year drought, experts say that the water level in the reservoir created by the Hoover Dam which provides Vegas with water and power is now well below half full.
Fallout: Current Vegas
 
@TonyTheLion Fine thanks. How was yours.
 
Prototyping them storyboard simplex animations is always the difficults.
 
@Shoe average
 
12:38 AM
:/
 
@ElimGarak reminds me of the first half life for some reason
 
GMan arguing with a person
 
user406009
@AlexM. The bad (non-existent) textures perhaps?
 
@milleniumbug I think so
 
Storyboards remove all the fluff, just the most basic skins for the skeleton, not even the final skeleton. Blocking it in and stuff.
The guy is like "Maybe you should ask the bitch hiding behind the glass."
 
user406009
12:40 AM
@ElimGarak Is this for your job? Or another hobby project?
 
@Lalaland Nah, work. I basically generate all this crap based on the script and the primary "shapes" of it... And then the animators take that as guidance.
 
^_^ /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
 
user406009
@AlexM. I wonder if Valve will ever produce another Half Life game.
 
(click the right arrow, there are two more)
 
12:42 AM
eh valve isn't even bothered to focus on their current games like cs go
 
@jaggedSpire d'awwww
 
@jaggedSpire :O
 
Valve gotta sell that steam they're producing
 
pounce! /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
and done for the evening
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Animation always seems like a lot of work. I'm surprised professional animators can get such high quality results. Every time I look at Blur Studio's work I am amazed.
 
12:43 AM
@jaggedSpire thanks for the cuteness
 
@Lalaland It's all motion capture, nowadays. Even with us, active mocap.
You have storyboards with all the parts of the "animated story" and then you force everyone at the office to act. :D And then the cleanup phase.
Requires a lot of calculations so that it is within the confines of the world and that the animation paths are not obstructed etc (cutscenes).
 
@TonyTheLion Never a problem. <3
 
@ElimGarak psh nobody notices if you clip through a couple things....:p
 
For example, ME3 wasn't mocapped. That's why Shepard looks like he needs to take a shit while sprinting.
 
12:45 AM
ayyyyy
 
@Borgleader doesn't work for me :(
 
yup. heh :D
 
user406009
You must have 9gag blocked.
 
user406009
Which, in retrospect, is probably a good idea.
 
12:47 AM
@Lalaland i.e. he has neingag
 
Actually, I has name resolution error. cloudfront crap :/
 
@jaggedSpire :)
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Still, they could make a lot of money from a Half life sequel.
 
user406009
And they can afford the cost of development.
 
should I go out for dinner tonight?
 
12:50 AM
@Lalaland Half Life's concept has been largely drained with all the copycats. And the hype for HL3 is probably reached the Moon by now. :/
 
user1804599
looool this creationist thinks Jesus was the creator
 
Whatever they do, it's going to fall short of expectations and their legacy could be ruined. :D I am sure they're working on it, every day. Scrapping prototypes on a monthly basis.
 
user406009
But their concept has always been quite simple?
 
user406009
A straightforward shooter.
 
Never wait a decade (or more) to release a sequel.
 
user406009
12:51 AM
No RPG stuff, no open world stuff, no "non-linear/choices" stuff.
 
They might as well reboot it at this point, or make anniversary editions of 1-2 so that the hype drops a bit
 
I am sure they've tried at least 5 times now under codenames to do HL3. But they have these quality standards, I remember Gaben said they're willing to scrap it no matter what if it doesn't meet their standards.
 
user406009
@Borgleader Some people are already working on recreating HL 1: blackmesasource.com
 
@MadameElyse fun times
 
@Lalaland i played it
 
12:53 AM
I played it yesterday a little. I "like" how they even lovingly recreated the midlevel loading screens. Although seems like a stutter with an NVMe SSD, on classic drives it's much more pronounced.
 
> You should always bring a spare robot in case you get a hole in one.
you can guess where and what about
 
std::system_error ayyy
@AlexM. Godus Wars was released. It's shit. :D
 
is godus wars the godus?
the one with the kid who won stuff?
 
Yeah, Peter Molyneux strikes again.
 
time for bed, cya
 
1:03 AM
night, bby
 
> He's hacking and whacking and smacking.
ayyyy
 
i dont get it
 
@Borgleader (It's a line from one of the songs on the records)
 
ah
> a "special tactics and reconnaissance" agent (aka customer support rep) wrote.
the rockstar developer/code ninja equivalent of the cust. support dept.
 
user406009
1:08 AM
@ElimGarak Reading those reviews makes me a little bit worried about that RTS game I am working on.
 
user406009
Gotta make sure to avoid all those complaints.
 
@Lalaland You're not Peter Molyneux, so you've got the biggest complaint off the list right from the get go. :P
@Borgleader IRTA customer support rep whore
 
@ElimGarak oh, its a shitty remake of black & white?
 
@Borgleader Wellp, Peter Molyneux promised gold and delivered melted turds :/
 
nah mate, black & white and fable 1-2 were good
 
1:11 AM
@Borgleader I mean Godus, bby, not B&W
I have B&W collector's edition (or something like that)
As well as Fable: The Lost Chapters.
 
ah, well still, you complain about him a lot so :P
 
user1804599
What is B&W?
 
user1804599
BMW
 
Bondage & Whiskey
Black & White, the game.
 
1:13 AM
@jaggedSpire STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM.
 
@ElimGarak wall of text crits you for 9001 dmg
 
> RPS: Do you think that you’re a pathological liar?
Ayyyy
 
Time to kiss you all good night.
 
^ His downfall started with this. This video was so fake, it hurts.
 
user406009
@Morwenn Good night.
 
@ElimGarak was it? i barely remember it
 
@ElimGarak Christ, they ripped into him.
I say this without knowing anything about Godus.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Well, at least the animation and facial expressions on the model are somewhat decent.
 
(He may very well deserve it.)
 
@Lalaland Mocap :D Basically, it's real popele moving. Also, facial expressions are recorded from real popele. :D
 
user406009
1:19 AM
> ... this wasn't acted ...
 
user406009
I call BS on that.
 
@ThePhD heh
@Morwenn <3
 
@Borgleader Aye, if it had not been fake, they would've had to solve voice synthesis on the fly (to actually respond to queries), AI-like facial animation system driven to drive the voice synthesis result etc. There would've been so many papers on the subject that it would've changed the course of gaming history.
I was surprised nobody from the industry called bullshit on it. It was obvious from the start. I guess back then Peter was still "one of the giants"
 
user406009
@ElimGarak What kind of benefit was he hoping to get from presenting a fake as shit video at E3? I don't know the gaming industry at all.
 
@Lalaland He was reaching his ceiling as a game designer and felt pressed to continue bringing something incredible, even if it were just a lie designed to postpone the truth. What I find weird is that Microsoft was in on it and they did nothing.
 
user406009
1:24 AM
@ElimGarak Yeah, but presumably people would ask for evidence before compensating him for anything.
 
@Lalaland I believe Microsoft wanted to sell Kinect as something worthwhile that they decide to partake in the lie.
 
@ElimGarak well Fable 1 was well ish received (and sold well i think) and at the time i think fable 2 had just released? (or nearabouts)
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Ah, that makes sense. An ad for Kinect.
 
In the end, if pressed for comment, Microsoft could've been like: "How were we supposed to know, as a conglomerate of really smart people, that he was bullshitting? We're the victims here, too. Right?"
 
@ElimGarak maintain plausible deniability
 
1:27 AM
I remember seeing that in 2009. and I said it was fake as fuck. My friend responded: "You're just jealous."
ahahahah
 
user406009
I mean, it's probably theoretically possible to try to train an "emotion" classifier on voice patterns.
 
user406009
It would just have shitty accuracy.
 
It would be impressive to me and you, but not to the E3 crowd. :D But to package it up, it's impossible at this time. The compute power required to deliver that level of quality is beyond even the Magic Cloud™
 
E3 is all about bullshit demos anyway (and its creeping into GDC as well)
we need a new GDC with less journalists
 
wtf are journalists doing at GDC anyways?
Is it like rubbing shoulders with the movie stars for them?
 
1:30 AM
@HubertApplebaum pls join my guild and flip things for us, we have unlocked decorations and need $$$
 
idk, but theyre there and the more there are the shittier the content gets
 
user406009
Humans also have shitty accuracy for emotion detection too. It's a hard problem.
 
and the more game reveals we get
 
user1804599
 
@ElimGarak well, it’s quite obvious really—they’re journalisting
 
1:30 AM
its a game dev conf, not PAX, not E3, not comiccon
a game dev conf
 
yeah
However, GDC hasn't been about the D for a long time.
Ayyyy
 
right, its a garbage collection instead
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
 
user406009
Also, where the heck is Vulkan. It's like 2016 already.
 
I thought it was current year
 
WHERE IS MY FURY X2
 
1:32 AM
@Lalaland all i can offer you for now:
in Computer Graphics, yesterday, by Borgleader
Our new #Vulkan Memory Management blog is live. Give it a read! #gamedev http://nvda.ly/XXM76 https://t.co/0cVpOkAfrZ
@ElimGarak also did you see making VR in VR in UE4?
 
@Borgleader Yeah, it's pretty cool, but nothing beats a mouse + keyboard for me. :D
Also, fuck me, I haven't had a chance to work on my book for the entire last month.
 
i was gonna ask about that recently but when i thought about it you werent there
 
Everything non-work related is pretty much dead for me right now, my social life being the deepest corpse on the pile.
 
@ElimGarak You can rebuild it.
You have the technology people skills.
 
I am trying to download the XDK right now and the server is being not nice to me.
Actually, I have no idea whether I am allowed to talk about that even. NDA is generic as fuck.
Bah, it's 2:36am on a Saturday, I don't give a shit. Going to play SWTOR probably.
AHAHAH
 
1:38 AM
topkek
 
@ElimGarak The police are on their way now.
 
Good, I could use a few more mocap actors who know how to hold a weapon.
@ThePhD Have you had a chance to build something as part of your Advanced Rendering course? :D
 
@ElimGarak Not yet.
 
@Borgleader How about that Sponza scene, done anything with it? :D
@ThePhD It's actually true, Realistic Rendering is TBD :D
 
Ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I get it.
 
1:49 AM
@ElimGarak That's a little unfair. We can render some things realistically. A few of those we can even render realistically in something approaching real time...
 

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