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1:02 PM
@Morwenn i have that book, ive read maybe a chapter. i found it so dry. (didnt help that I was trying to read this on my way home from work, i.e. tired)
 
> This is not an easy book.
It's written right in the cover.
 
You can write books about difficult things in a manner that doesn't make the reader want to die
Programming books almost universally fail at that
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@Morwenn I dont judge a book by it's cover ;)
 
It's obviously presented as a math-like book. So... definitions and lemmas and definitions and lemmas.
 
wow I didn't even have to start reading to want to die
 
1:06 PM
Yeah right. But at least it contains what I was looking for, with actual implementations.
 
@Morwenn you suck
 
@HubertApplebaum Well, I'm indeed not good at designing efficient algorithms.
Thanks to that book, my O(n²) algorithm falls to O(n log n), making the mergesort an O(n log² n) algorithm when there is no memory available.
 
@Morwenn Thats because designing efficient algorithms is hard :P
 
wow how did you make the superscript 2
 
1:11 PM
unicode symbol i guess
 
wow²
 
²²²²
 
@AlexM. There's a key for that on French keyboards.
 
λ³ confirmed
 
Hey, at least now I have a complexity guarantee for my paper: make std::stable_sort run in O(n log n) time if there is memory available and O(n log² n) time if it has to run in-place.
 
1:13 PM
🐱
@Morwenn you can do stable sort in-place in O(n log n)
but maybe with higher hidden constant
 
Back from lunch!
 
hey
 
@SashaMN Try it with forward iterators and no additional memory.
@slaphappy Hey <3
 
I never left :p
 
I'm still hungry btw
 
1:15 PM
looming threat of extremely boring training
so? yesterday?
 
Went smoothly
I was expecting Richard to be more threatening but apart from being salty (with reason) he was good
 
did you know that rerito called me for a beer yesterday
so I roused up the entire trading floor to party with rerito the party animal
and then he cancelled
 
Yeah of course you did lol!
 
yeah ok I invited 1 person
but still
 
Next interview with the quanteam guy next thursday
 
1:18 PM
ok
 
And there will be room for a beer this time :)
 
tell them you have an offer at the competitor's
lunalogic
 
@Morwenn I know how to do it in O(n log^2 n), using in-place merge sort)
 
Yeah I hope they won't try to fuck me too hard
When I told my GF "I'll go drink a beer after the meetup" she went mad really quickly!
 
everyone thinks you're married btw
 
1:20 PM
I still need to upgrade my wardrobe
Coz I don't have any suit nor shirt to wear
 
@Morwenn Just sort first n/2 elemnts, then n/4 elements and use n/4 as buffer. And when you have O(1) elements, use insertion sort =)
 
@Rerito you won't need to wear a suit every day
 
@slaphappy not me
omg
 
Of course, I intend to get a blazer and a few shirts
If I have to get suit trousers I'll need to get them tailored and... Money money
Got a pretty sweet tie though
 
@HubertApplebaum u cancel everytim
 
1:23 PM
Anyway, during the interview they seemed particularly interested in the devops part
(Adding CI and improving build systems etc...)
I told a few WTF anecdotes seen at my current job
 
such as
WHY YOU NEVER TELL US
 
I told you already
The silent rebase shit
 
@HubertApplebaum some people goofing off all day long on stackoverflow
 
what's a silent rebase
git pull --rebase --shhhh
 
You make something, since you are not a dinosaur, you use stuff like lambdas and #include <algorithm>
And then, a coworker comes to see you about that code you wrote to understand what it does and wooosh the lambdas have disappeared
git blame still show your name though
 
1:28 PM
what
 
A dude silently rebased the commits
 
Coz lambdas and C++11 baaaaah
 
wait by rebase what do you mean
because rebasing isn't a bad thing in itself
 
git rebase -i and then edit the commits
 
1:30 PM
Did you know commit metadata can be anything
 
that's weird
 
Still, something appears to be done by me and it's not. And it's ugly
 
otoh we have people here doing integration by extracting all changes as patches manually and then applying the patches one by one with present date and their own name
 
why would anyone edit commits
 
Ouch
 
1:32 PM
git revert at worst
 
I told them to not do that
 
@HubertApplebaum Here, to replace the lambdas and algorithm stuff with raw loops
 
they were like "what do you mean use the source control to merge"
 
@Rerito remind me where you work again
so that I never apply there
c'est quoi ton trou
 
ercom wesh
C vraiment chiant parce que le projet a un potentiel de fou
 
1:33 PM
@HubertApplebaum your company is replicating excel guis over and over and over again
 
Mais c'est codé en mode "PoC" depuis le début, avec du short term management du coup code spaghetti all over the place
Et mélange de techno WTF
 
@slaphappy yes
 
There's a binary on our gateways that needs to interact with another binary on the same gw
 
Is techno wtf sequel to techno viking
 
You're thinking IPC => shared memories, semaphores that kind of shit
protobuf whatever you want i don't care
but here, the stuff launches a request on the web server of the gw (nginx), which dispatch it through fcgi scripts in Perl which then finally reach the other binary
I mean WTF
And the current whim is to rewrite the VPN related code using Go (why? Just why?)
 
1:36 PM
is it elyse
 
user1804599
Because Go is extremely good at networking and concurrency.
 
user1804599
Which happen to be the only things VPN software does.
 
Merde j'ai invoqué la bete
 
You called?
 
Why do this, no one in the team knows Go it will be unmaintainable
 
1:39 PM
Actually. With some coworkers, the maintainabilty goes up as the number of people prone to tinker goes down
 
user1804599
Anyone competent can learn Go in an hour.
 
user1804599
It's braindead simple.
 
@sehe The beast, sorry I eluded the accent (bête to be accurate)
 
> eluded
 
@Rerito apparently no one in the team knows programming so what's the difference
 
1:42 PM
@slaphappy Here? That's not true, we've got really good guys (that's the worst!)
 
jk
 
2:04 PM
@Borgleader How's work?
Also Bjarne class in an hour.
Hopefully we get into steamy, saucy C++ bits.
Or maybe look at some kinky libraries.
 
Phew, proposal sent to lwgchair. At least I'm more or less done with that.
@ThePhD Tell him that there is a new proposal to make std::sort, std::stable_sort and std::inplace_merge work with forward iterators. It should please him and Stepanov :D
 
@ThePhD doing ok, its friday \o/
@ThePhD hf
 
@Morwenn 'Grats.
@Morwenn Will he know if I say its from "Morwenn"?
 
Thanks ^_^
@ThePhD Not a chance.
 
Oh. RIP. Do you have a docket number?
 
2:09 PM
Docket?
 
Er
The, uh
P00### / N#### number thingies
 
I just sent a mail, so I don't have a number yet. Still, if I'm lucky the proposal should be in the next mailing.
 
What to watch?
 
2:31 PM
> Having a pleasant conversation with @TonyTheLion
> OpenGL Driver absolutely explodes / crashes
> Whole computer tanks irreversibly, kernel gets corrupted, not even a bsod
Good thing it was the "Dead" laptop I was on...?
Let's hope booting into safemode works...
 
Ven
what a shit starboard today. ENOTENOUGHPENIS
 
just star this one more
15 hours ago, by Alex M.
user image
 
Ven
i've been twitch for several years, and I certainly am not starting a toucan.
 
2:55 PM
@Ven CockBlockException
 
Hello! I use valgrind to analyze memory usage (stack memory), but I get strange results (about 2 KB for the barely empty program).
 
@ThePhD dafuq
 
#include<stdio.h>

int main(){
    printf("HELLO!");
    return 0;
}
It is that program.
 
Ven
that's a pretty good program.
I dig it.
but the text should be "Hello world."
 
Ell
@ThePhD I this is why we should use microkernels.
 
Ven
3:02 PM
@Ell you words.
@Morwenn show us :3
 
@Ven I just tested valgrind, but the result surprise me and I want to find out the cause of that memory consuming :D
 
Ven
@QueueOverflow what is your OS
@Morwenn ueueuue now I know your name
 
@Ven Linux Mint 17
 
Ven
#izi
 
3:04 PM
@Ven Yeah, I don't like it but I might need to showcase the proposal during a job interview.
 
Ven
@Morwenn you don't like your name? why not
oh. you don't like to put it there.
 
@Ven It's totally subjective, so I don't have an actual reason. I just don't like it.
 
Ven
fair 'nuff
 
Some friends even call me Morwenn IRL anyway.
 
user1804599
yay polymorphism works
 
Ven
3:07 PM
I know some people like that
 
@Ven "3.13.0-37-generic GNU/Linux" if this is important
 
Ven
@QueueOverflow it's not. it's just valgrind
 
@Ven Does it either use the some amount of memory for analysis or it detect usage of stack memory improperly?
 
Ven
who knows how valgrind works
 
user1804599
Valgrind is an x86-64 JIT compiler.
 
user1804599
3:09 PM
It parses machine code, adds checks, and generates machine code again.
 
@Ven maybe, its creators do. So, are there alternatives to detect memory usage?
 
What's strange about 2kB of memory
 
@CatPlusPlus The almost empty program uses 2kB of memory (according to valgrind), I want to find out the cause of it.
 
The cause is libc and runtime, the fuck are you looking for
Really the overhead is much higher anyway
 
user1804599
@QueueOverflow 2kB may very well be your page size.
 
user1804599
3:14 PM
You can't allocate half a page.
 
Does anyone know when XCOM 2 unlocks in your mom’s house?
 
glibc has like ~100kB overhead just from existing in the same process
And it doesn't matter in the slightest
 
@Morwenn it's pretty common though. you could have a really stupid name like "sullivan"
@CatPlusPlus existing in the same process?
 
@MadameElyse It's strange then, that the memory consumption is changing over time: s28.postimg.org/56y9dbbq5/Image_204.png
 
@slaphappy Or Robert.
 
user1804599
3:17 PM
Oh, dunno.
 
user1804599
Whatever.
 
@QueueOverflow Is that an artist representation of a city with skycrapers?
 
@Morwenn No, it's the screenshot of the memory consumption graph
 
Ell
lol
 
user1804599
def - (_ +) :)
 
3:18 PM
thinking about buying xcom 2 it looks sweet
 
I buy games then play few hours then get bored
 
@Morwenn I think I spotted a tiny error
 
I should stop buying games
 
user1804599
Concatenative programming with types is great.
 
@slaphappy That's what she said
 
3:20 PM
@slaphappy In the proposal?
 
@CatPlusPlus You buy the wrong games then :)
 
Oh dammit I just remembered that I wanted to star something starry @AlexM. said some time ago
But I forgot
What a waste
 
> Basically, we would like to be able to sort pairs forward, bidirectional and random-access iterators through a common algorithm interface.
missing "of" no?
 
@CatPlusPlus probably a quote of one of my posts
 
Why aren't you asleep yet
 
3:22 PM
just got home
 
aren't you dead of cancer from all the excel clones yet
see, people from brittany are very resilient. they make for good c++ programmers.
 
@Morwenn I legit thought your name was Morwenn.
 
@slaphappy That sounds stupid
Where is it from?
 
If we ever cross paths in reality, would you mind if I just called you Morwenn?
 
It's a real name though
 
3:24 PM
@ThePhD that would be a girl's name.
 
user1804599
Funfact: you can't change your gender because God made you so, but cutting other people's genitals even though God made them so is totally fine.
 
I mean I haven't met anyone named like that but it would be a valid name
Whitesea
Of cum probably
 
@slaphappy Is it really?
 
@slaphappy I didn't know it was a real name by the time I chose it.
 
@ThePhD yeah
 
3:25 PM
@slaphappy Totally, that's what I get for trying to rush things. Thanks :)
 
@Shoe from @Morwenn's proposal lol
 
Oh. Shhhh, don't tell her/him.
 
@Morwenn don't know if it is, but if it is, it definitely would be.
 
user1804599
defToECMAScript :: Def Type -> Statement ()
 
user1804599
death to ECMAScript
 
3:27 PM
You are def
 
user1804599
def
 
@BartekBanachewicz When's the next marmelade?
 
user3790646
@Morwenn So your name is not "Morwenn"? Oh.
 
@Shoe wanna plan one?
 
3:30 PM
Sure
 
@Morwenn tis a good proposal. I vote for it.
 
Minimum next month though
 
@CatPlusPlus my god
 
@slaphappy It is.
@Shoe Too late.
@Andrey It happens :p
@slaphappy Aw, thanks :3
 
@Morwenn :O
 
3:32 PM
my real name is not slaphappy or kbok either
 
The problem of sorting bidirectional/forward iterators is already mentioned by Bjarne in the Palo Alto TS, by Niebler in the Ranges TS and in the comments of ranges-v3, and by Stepanov in Elements of Programming, so I'm not really proposing anything new. But someone had to write a paper.
 
Unrelated but how's it going with the job hunt @Morwenn?
 
@Rerito Still waiting for an answer.
 
@slaphappy o.O
 
@slaphappy Everybody knows your name is Angelina.
 
3:35 PM
I hope it won't be like me... Waited for like 3 weeks, then got all answers approx. at the same time
 
@Morwenn also "basic sorting sorting algorithms" on pg. 6
 
@caps Oh lol, thanks.
 
@Morwenn improve your accept rate
 
dajum. I almost forgot about that
 
Cool proposal, @Morwenn
 
3:38 PM
Woohoo not sick anymore
 
user1804599
I am so happy.
 
Maybe it's algorithms for sorting sortings
 
@caps Thanks ^_^
 
@Morwenn so arbitrary. Also it's not :P
 
Oops, I've also a borken link.
 
3:39 PM
@sehe what?
 
@MadameElyse I didn't get the pizza vim-fugitive joke
 
I didn't get pizza at all
 
user1804599
@Rerito vim-fungitive, not vim-fugitive, you illiterate fool
 
Not stoppin' 'till I get the gold one. https://t.co/wLWdXbJ08W
@slaphappy accept rate
 
My desk neighbor is having a meeting right at the desk again. For demos and such. It's so annoying.
 
3:40 PM
@MadameElyse Yeah well, still don't get it
 
whoops, xcom 2 has bad performance and bugs
will delay purchase
 
user1804599
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@slaphappy May I suggest a headset with noise cancelling?
 
you know steam user reviews are the best thing ever
because people are really quick to complain about things
 
Bose Quietcomfort are pretty neat
(Still waiting for them to make a BT headset with noise cancellation...)
 
3:42 PM
@Rerito no, I'm uncomfortable with having people all around me while working, and I refuse to use headwear because my employer is not able to provide me basic and decent working conditions
 
user1804599
> Woman walks into own funeral to surprise of husband who had paid to have her killed
 
user1804599
> A man who had paid to have her wife killed was horrified when he saw her crashing her own funeral
 
user1804599
What an idiot.
 
@sehe ...why
What about my accept rate idgi
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked lol dumpert.nl/mediabase/6721710/2ec980a0/… does Belgium test alarms as well as they check nuclear reactor vats?
 
3:46 PM
Wow someone walked in with a hat on his head. So rude
Should I confront him?
 
@slaphappy He should check his privilege
 
@slaphappy pee on him to establish dominance
 
Hat privilege? 👒
 
.-.
 
I'll poop 💩 into his hat
 
3:48 PM
I'm bored agan.
 
Ell
I don't know if I'm spoiled by templates or if java generics are very gimped
 
@Ell Java generics are the worst of all generics.
 
Java generics sucks
 
@Shoe dunno really, natalia comes back tomorrow
i have a feeling that my next week might be pretty shitty
 
3:50 PM
Why? Because of gf?
 
But you still live together?
 
user3790646
@BartekBanachewicz I understand your feeling.
 
@slaphappy she's coming back from germany and pretty much immediately starts moving out
 
Ouch
 
3:53 PM
I am pretty ok with the situation but her coming back now is going to make things worse again
 
@BartekBanachewicz Do you have friends/relatives to hang out with during this time? The key is to avoid being with her at all costs
 
user1804599
@slaphappy what sucks about them?
 
Well, I'd say only if it costs less than $1k a day
 
user1804599
Well, they don't support higher-kinded types.
 
user1804599
That's pretty bad.
 
3:56 PM
@Rerito we're gonna live together for a week or two. It's impossible to avoid her.
shut up elyse
 
@xeo what is that unpizza stuff called?
 
@BartekBanachewicz you're forgetting something, you have a basement!
 
Yeah, shitty week ahead indeed
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, I should reword this as "minimize the amount of time spent with her during this week"
 
make a DIY catapult and launch her
 
3:57 PM
@thecoshman Flammkuechen
 
They have type erased thing. Dunno if it's still the case. Also feature crippled
 
user1804599
Type erasure is very good.
 
@AlexM. I also have a projector screen I want to mount and I can't do it alone
 
Ell
but but I can't do T[] my_thing = new T[100];
 
was gonna ask a friend because I have a feeling she won't be willing to help
 
user1804599
3:58 PM
The things that are actually broken are array types, overloading, and downcasts, not generics.
 
Blah blah blah
 
also guys
I need your opinion
could this work above the sofa
 
Sure.
 
user1804599
That depends on how high above the sofa it is.
 
so that it could host the projector and the speakers and hide cabling
 
3:59 PM
shut up elyse
 
user1804599
Don't shut me up.
 
@MadameElyse the topmost one needs to have its top at approx 2m
because the projector will be bolted to it
 

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