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10:00 PM
@Mysticial Everything when you get to the nitty-gritty of performance is so architecture-sensitive...
 
Because now everytime I hear pink floyd I'm thinking of boring high school homework
 
Huh. I think psychologists established that bad memories fade disproportionally fast.
 
One day... one day it'll all just be Fast Enough™.
 
So you'd be safe from that
 
@Mr.kbok Yeah, he was like « is there something you'd like to listen to? ». I answered « yeah, but I have strange tastes. ». In the end, he agreed that I have strange tastes :D
 
10:01 PM
@Morwenn haha :D
 
@Mr.kbok The operation wasn't that bad. The worst part is the aftermath.
 
I guess.
 
@Mr.kbok I've never /done/ boring homework. I did that in class/during breaks. (Or just plain didn't). The only music that takes me back to long sessions of hard schoolwork I think back of fondly.
Those were the times I was working on essays, projects and the like
 
I mean, it's kind of fun when you have a good idea what's happening to your teeth by ooking at the tools.
 
@sehe You're lucky :p
 
10:02 PM
Whatever You Do. Don't Ook At The Tools.
#AsleepAtTheWheel
 
@sehe But now that you mention it, I have some albums that take me back to the hardcore math of uni. Good times.
 
Maybe I just forgot about the boring parts. Or I don't object to boring early. Because, you know. Music :)
 
@sehe Maybe your homework was, in fact, not boring.
Intellisense is confused by my annotations
 
I'm pretty sure I just dodged it. I never was very disciplined :S
But I took two extra subjects while simultaneously missing a full afternoon of classes each week going to Rotterdam conservatory.
I honestly don't recall how I managed
 
@sehe Eh, you got me on this typo -_-
 
10:05 PM
:D
I iked it a lot
 
Sadist :p
 
I remember
When we discovered brainfuck and we talked about it and there was always some guy to mention Ook
Ook is absolutely not interesting
 
I agree.
 
I feel if you think Ook is interesting then you don't get the point of brainfuck
uni frustrations
 
Is anyone here experienced with Boost MSM?
 
10:08 PM
Somewhat
I've avoided it for production code :/
 
Also at the time I was telling everyone server-side javascript was the future
That was like, 10 years ago lol
 
That's actually a long time, in software
 
I'm struggling with trying to figure out how to produce an output for a given state. It might not be what MSM is for, but I don't know...
 
> produce an output for a given state
you mean, for a transition, surely?
 
Either
Both works just the same
Moore / Mealy machine.
 
10:09 PM
@sehe I'm really surprised to see how much I was right. Only at the time I tought the engine would be spidermonkey (chrome didn't exist yet.)
 
@Justin Of course not. The state is continuous. Do you want continuous output? By the way, what is output?
 
'I've been a very bad girl,' she said, biting her lip. 'I need to be punished.' 'Very well,' he said and installed Windows 10 on her laptop.
 
@Justin Did you not recently ask a very similar question on SO? One has been answered - it was pretty succinct.
 
I didn't ask a question on SO about this
 
@EtiennedeMartel dat picture
 
10:11 PM
I would have replaced you with a tiny shell script but I honestly can't figure out what it is you do here.
 
Not sure I understand. Basically, I want an FSM as a component of my program. I can ask the state machine if certain things have happened.
 
@Mysticial So do they do some extra work to linearize access, or something on that order, so that's why they don't get as big a hit when it overflows to main memory?
 
SO looks down for me.
 
Time to work on a non-erased adl aggregator
wish me luck
 
wat
Well, good luck anyway.
 
10:13 PM
you'll see
it's awesome
 
@Mr.kbok adl aggregator?
Like adl::begin but more advanced?!
 
@Justin I found it:
1
A: Notification about state change in Boost Statechart

Nikos AthanasiouThe easiest way to know you've changed state is that you enter the destructor of the previous state and then the constructor of the new state. #include <boost/statechart/state_machine.hpp> #include <boost/statechart/simple_state.hpp> #include <iostream> namespace sc = boost::statechart; struc...

 
I just realized that not all Boost MSM questions are tagged with [boost-msm], should they be?
 
@Mr.kbok I'll trust you when I understand the code :p
 
@Justin yes. we can improve that :)
Actually, it's a no-brainer :)
 
10:14 PM
@Morwenn well, you can start by looking at what it does
 
@sehe That's actually why I didn't find anything. I'm going to tag some of these questions with [boost-msm]
 
Bummer. That's StateChart
 
Fucking threads -_-
 
I'm pretty sure I've seen the same in MSM. And eerily close
 
Ahhh, that must be why it looks familiar; I looked at StateChart before starting work with MSM
 
10:17 PM
Anyhoops. If you don't find it, just post a Q on Stack Overflow. There's no chance I'll miss it.
 
Okay
 
Right now it's time for bed.
@Justin I'll do the reverse soon. Never looked at statechart.
@thecoshman I can remind you of this periodically
 
@sehe Sweet dreams then ^_^
 
@JerryCoffin GMP doesn't do anything special. It's my code that's being weird. (Which is why I haven't released the library yet.) Within the cache, the FFT is unmatched, period. But once it spills, it drastically slows down. So I switch to other algorithms which are slower, but memory friendly.
There are 3 of these "other algorithms" and 2 of them are disabled for the library since they're unpublished. The one that remains is only optimized for the asymptotics (billions/trillions of digits) and is not efficient (and to some extent, degenerate) for small stuff. When the library switches to this algorithm, it takes the 10x hit on Sandy Bridge. But only 5x on Haswell since AVX2 doubles the integer SIMD width.
 
@StackedCrooked Night all
 
10:19 PM
@sehe Night
 
@sehe night
 
@Mysticial Ah, I see. That makes sense (or sounds reasonable anyway).
 
Yeah. IOW, there's a hole that I need to fill before I can release this thing.
 
@Mysticial Why does the publishing state affect your implementation choices?
 
@ThePhD Is that a function that simply calls begin by first importing using std::begin?
 
10:27 PM
I knew someone would ask me that. I don't have a good reason for it other than, "to inhibit reverse engineering" which will be much easier to do as a library.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Yes.
Woo!
 
C++ is really fascinating
 
All my classes are now FINALLY officially registered for /cc @jaggedSpire
I also asked about teaching a class.
My Dean said undergrads usually don't teach courses.
I'm going to prove him wrong next semester. *-*
 
I should teach a class.
On... botany.
 
I'm going to be Professor Derpstorm, and nobody is going to stop me!
 
10:33 PM
PD.
 
Does someone have an idea for a C++ game and want to implement it with me?
 
@ʞɔᴉN Flynotes is down.
 
I have several game ideas. Some doable today, others doable later.
 
I'm kind of free until 1st of october
 
That's a lot of free time: what happened?
 
10:34 PM
Exam session ended
Tomorrow is my last exam
Then on 1st of October new classes will begin
 
Why don't you make a sidescroller on-rails shooter?
 
Oooh Jefffrey is a student?
 
user406009
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ How about a top down 2d RTS?
 
I'm open to all ideas as long as someone else also joins in. I'd like to have a team experience again.
I loved my first one.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ With whom?
 
10:37 PM
With 3 other students in a Perl project
Despite the fucked up language, I really enjoyed myself a lot
 
@Nooble it is undergoing significant upgrades
 
@ʞɔᴉN Suuuuure.
:3
 
lol I'm actually trying to work on it for once
 
Me and this other guy that got the logic part of the project (as opposed to the HTML part) would meet at around 14, code until 20, then eat, then meet at 20:30 and code until 22:30.
It was all just so awesome and productive
 
@ʞɔᴉN proof pls
 
10:39 PM
@Nooble Yup
 
I've decided to move operational transforms to the back of the development pipeline and focus on auth and the ability to save :P
 
@Lalaland I'm all in. Wanna try to work together?
 
user406009
Sure. Can't start until Saturday though.
 
Alright then
Ping me on Saturday or whenever you are ready
 
@ʞɔᴉN Operational whatforms?
 
10:41 PM
@Nooble Operational cisforms.
 
basically a form of version control where the changes are tracked live
 
user406009
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Sure thing!
 
> see reference to class template instantiation 'stags::ptree::aggregator<T,N>'
WTF!?!
how can you instanciate on N, T
How can I prevent visual studio from doing this shit?
 
@ʞɔᴉN "auto saving with history"
 
Haha, genius. I read the latest article by Scott Meyers and the first comment is Puppy saying:
> This article seems a bit flat to me.
 
10:48 PM
@Nooble Yeah but I'm not interested in history. I need OT to keep packet size down (or the transfer size will continue to increase as the document does) and for realtime collaboration
 
@ʞɔᴉN But but versioning.
And also it's plaintext.
 
versioning is important, but only for very short terms
 
And also you don't transfer the document, you transfer the changes.
 
to keep all clients in sync
yes, that's the point
 
@Mr.kbok ptree sounds funny lol
 
user3790646
10:51 PM
I'm not rowdy bunch
 
@Prismatic Oo why
 
Pee tree.
 
Much funny.
 
Sup funny peeps?
 
Tony~
 
11:05 PM
Phd~
 
@AndreyErick Do you mean you're rowdy but not a bunch, or that you're a bunch but not rowdy, or neither rowdy nor a bunch?
 
few individuals manage to be a bunch at one point in time
 
Goddamnit, overloads and default arguments be killin' me. ;~;
I really need to get a better convention then using the same name for things
uint32 vertex_offset () const;
void vertex_offset ( uint32 );
Setting and getting
But gets worse when I want to have default stuff.
uint32 vertex_offset ( uintz index = 0 ) const;
void vertex_offset ( uint32 by, uintz index = 0 );
 
@JohanLarsson Multiple personality disorder. I hear it's unpleasant though.
 
I don't like the whole get_x convention, though.
 
11:13 PM
why would you have defaults for your getter
 
Because 99.9999% of the time, people only have a single offset for a vertex buffer (0).
Non-interleaved is a special case.
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, but are the multi in parallel or sequential mode?
And how is life?
 
@ThePhD if you have getters and setters for everythign youre doing it wrong bcuz ~~abstractions~~ ;)
 
using the same name for a setter and getter is dumb
I get if you want to use just the name of what you want to get for the getter but add 'set' for the setter at least
 
Bah, fine.
I'll use set. :<
q_q RIP the dream.
 
11:15 PM
@Prismatic Oh god I used to have this thing that had a default argument and a return value.
You could set and get at the same time.
 
gross
 
I could just expose the variables publicly...
But there's a few invariants I have to bookkeep.
 
@JohanLarsson I don't know enough about it to say a lot with certainty, but I believe cases have been documented where the different personalities communicated with each other, so to speak.
 
@Borgleader It's not for everything! It's like, super important to have these getters/setters!
 
@JohanLarsson It's generally believed to beat the alternative, but nobody I've talked to yet seems able to say from experience.
 
11:17 PM
Don't judge me. :<
 
@JerryCoffin nobody complained either right?
 
@ThePhD Somehow people never seem to complain about things like: "I judge thee worthy" or "you are found not guilty".
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, but if someone is saying those things they're (usually) also weighing and considering the alternatives, which is scary.
 
@ThePhD Use properties.
 
@JohanLarsson I dunno--I suppose one of those people claiming to hear from ghosts and such could really be telling the truth. Hard to believe, but also hard to disprove.
 
11:21 PM
@Morwenn property<T, getter, setter> ?
 
@ThePhD I was being sarcastic. But it's true that I would like to have properties baked into the language :p
 
Are properties in C# special in any way? Or are they just less typing for the trivial cases
 
Less typing and slightly more optimized?
 
@ThePhD Write a small class. The setter is named operator= and the getting is named operator T.
 
this-^
In other words, use actual types (wow)
 
11:25 PM
There should be sugar syntax for that.
 
I'm going to sleep. See y'all later :)
 
Like property T x = { get { stuff }; set { stuff }; }
 
Well, speaking of this, you do have to set this right as parent objects are constructed with such a setup :v
 
@ThePhD There are hundreds of messages of debate about properties on the C++ proposals forum. Feel free to read them and make an opinion :p
 
Maybe I should write a property macro :B
Aww, titterbuckets.
If I do the type approach, I have to pass the parent object as const T& for the getter (since its const).
That makes operator= not work.
 
user3790646
11:28 PM
O sinhâzinha, dê-me um dinheirin para que eu possa ir para um Kilombo, dos Palmares, e com o Zumbi
 
@ThePhD In my opinion, most of the attempts at improvement backfire, and the result is worse than what we already have. In particular, most attempt to put the code that enforces the invariants into the container class (like it was with your getter/setter). That, IMO, it simply a mistake.
 
user3790646
Good night everybody.
 
@AndreyErick Good night.
 
ApplicativeDo still on the horizon for GHC 8, me like.
 
good job npm
npm WARN unmet dependency /lib/node_modules/block-stream requires inherits@'~2.0.0' but will load
npm WARN unmet dependency undefined,
npm WARN unmet dependency which is version undefined
or rather, good job Fedora stackoverflow.com/questions/20435793/…
 
user406009
11:47 PM
Does anyone know when they are going to vote on the proposals to make it into C++17?
 
No.
 
it's meant to be a surprise so too many people don't show up and voice their inconvenient opinions
 
lol, it’s more that the process involves a back-and-forth with the national bodies which can take some time, among other things
 
user406009
@ʞɔᴉN But what about my glorious "emoji operator overloading" proposal?
 
11:51 PM
@Lalaland It’s a poo, pile of.
 
user406009
Yes, but with my proposal you could express that in code.
 
user406009
proposal lalaland_proposal;
💩lalaland_proposal;
 
@Lalaland it seems perfectly valid
 
> Pinentry Failing with 'Passphrase too long (try 2 of 3)' on Fedora 22 with KDE only when using lengthy passphrases
FUCK YOU
 

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