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1:00 AM
It's really saturating the throughput.
And my family has all these crazy theories about WiFi connectivity.
 
why gamers are always broke
 
@Mysticial Oops, looks like you're a handful nanoseconds late :p
 
user406009
Use Ethernet.
 
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Done.
 
@ʞɔᴉN Exact motherboard I'm thinking of getting.
But no 6700K :(
 
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1:02 AM
You can buy these, like 60 feet cables really cheap on Amazon.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Fuuuuuuuuuuck... I should've known that wasn't a premature optimization.
 
@Nooble get the i5 :)
 
@ʞɔᴉN Who do I look like to you?
They call me a hyper-koala.
 
@Mysticial In Asia (Australia excluded) the code quality is quite bad compared to the US so optimization is less crazy
 
you get 6 cores anyways, fuck hyperthreading
 
1:03 AM
@ʞɔᴉN Hyperthreading is amazing.
 
sup
 
What do you work on btw? Pricing? Low latency?
 
HFT
 
@ElimGarak sup domarak
 
i need foods
 
1:04 AM
@Nooble probably runs your multithreaded rendering engine really well
 
Both OpenGL and D3D make no sense here.
 
IT JUST HAPPENED.
 
@Mysticial isn't NY a better location for that?
 
holy shit...
 
1:04 AM
My dad just positioned the access point to point towards his room.
 
@ʞɔᴉN I think Chicago is where the crazy guys are
 
meh you can get remote servers, what am I saying
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I was surprised too that it'd be in Chicago as well as New York.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva oh really?
i was thinking of NYSE
 
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@ʞɔᴉN Timezones might be a PITA though.
 
1:05 AM
There's a lot of exchanges out there.
It's more than just NYSE and Nasdaq.
And even more once you leave the US.
 
There's the peasant sheep exchange network
 
@Lalaland timezones aren't nearly as relevant as latency in this situation though
 
@ElimGarak Whats glMultiDrawElements in Directx?
 
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@ʞɔᴉN Thinking about remote servers.
 
my father works in finance (in CA), he just gets up really early haha
 
1:07 AM
@ʞɔᴉN New York is mostly stock trading. Chicago has a lot more commodities trading.
 
New York is the best.
 
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@Mysticial For interests sake, are you guys able to use a GC language in HFT? Or is it all in C/C++, etc.
 
@Lalaland well, I assume a lot of HFT is handled by automatic strategies
 
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(If I am even allowed to ask)
 
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@ʞɔᴉN Gotta be on call during trading hours probably though.
 
1:08 AM
@Lalaland Depends on the firm. We use C++.
 
All the performance-critical stuff is ofc in C++, the rest (UIs and tooling) mostly C# and I even do some TypeScript for the web consoles.
 
Some firms use Java. I won't name which ones nor will I say how they manage to be competitive, but they do use Java. (I'm actually not sure myself.)
 
@Nooble So many ignorant New Yorkers believe (but "ignorant New Yorkers" is redundant).
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Blah blah blah I can't hear you!
 
Some use VBA macros lol
 
1:10 AM
@Lalaland well, to be fair I don't think the devs would supervise trading
 
@Borgleader Just checked the spec, there is nothing similar in DX.
 
you do know that most software developers working for trading firms/investment banks are not rich right?
 
and if your remote servers crash while you're asleep then you suck
 
@ʞɔᴉN Redundancy.
 
@chmod711telkitty compared to the traders, it's nothing indeed. but compared to another type of dev job, the salary is quite good IMO.
 
1:11 AM
@chmod711telkitty rich by whose standards? :P
 
@ElimGarak Oh really? No wonder I didnt find anything when I googled it. I find odd that it wouldn't have this. Seems useful enough.
 
@ʞɔᴉN whose*
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Ignore the kitty. She's jealous and is trying to be annoying. :)
 
By the English standards of course.
 
traders work life span is even shorter than software engineers
 
1:12 AM
(Get rekt @ʞɔᴉN)
 
@Mysticial jealous ... of you by any chance?
why would I?
 
what are you talking about nubile?
 
give me a reason
 
@chmod711telkitty His processor :(
 
what would I need it for?
 
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1:14 AM
@chmod711telkitty 100000 chrome tabs.
 
it was a joek
 
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All open at the same time.
 
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Imagine the power!
 
@Lalaland I can feel it!
 
imagine pi calculated to 10^1000000000 places
just imagine the things you could do!
You could draw the world's most accurate circle!
 
you don't need to know pi to draw a circle. In fact, you can measure it using such a circle
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva the lemon memes strike again
 
took me a while to find it
 
@ʞɔᴉN Is that really rlemon?
 
@sehe just let me have my moment
@Nooble yes
 
1:16 AM
you had it already
 
@Borgleader Yeah, people sometimes get confused with the IASetVertexBuffers, the ability to set multiple ones, but that's just DX's cleanish way of delivering non-interleaved data (SoA so called). Only one index buffer can be bound, but some concatenation (manual) can be done. With DirectX 12, throughput is no longer a big issue!
 
his story is he made a cash withdrawal for a couple thousand to pay for furniture
I think he just took out the cash so he could film himself with it
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva yeah, keep on paying that rent
coz rent aren't dead money
 
user406009
It's a Canadian $100 bill. ʞɔᴉN's story checks out.
 
user406009
We all know there are no other Canadians on the internet (other than Cicada)
 
1:19 AM
also I have been there, done that & have quite a few friends working in the same field
 
Cicadian.
 
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@chmod711telkitty For interest's sake (if you don't mind the question), what industry are you currently in?
 
@Lalaland Cicada is canadian? hahah what? since when?
 
construction
 
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@Borgleader Wait, maybe I messed up.
 
1:21 AM
I build house ... so I can rent it out
and also I have my own app company
 
And I have my own rendering engine!
 
I have my own underwear. I don't share it with anyone.
 
Progress
 
I have my own dick.
 
And one day soon, I'll be able to eat without stealing food.
 
1:23 AM
@Mysticial keep an eye on it
 
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@Borgleader At this point I can probably claim anything about Cicada though.
 
user406009
Perhaps if we say enough outrageous things, the real Cicada will throw of their mask and reveal themselves.
 
nobody liked Cicada anyways
 
Or Cicada will roll with it and make his new alter ego with it. :P Cicada <3
 
I don't think we shall be seeing him again
 
1:27 AM
who?
 
before your time
 
ahahah
 
trolololol
 
oh you mean Tina
 
Either they are very very good actors or very very very oblivious
 
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1:28 AM
Will the real Cicada please stand up!
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva You were here when Tina was around?
 
Original Gangster Cicada
 
@Mysticial Nope
 
@Mysticial hehehehehehehe
 
@sehe I wasn't either.
 
1:28 AM
@sehe huehuehue
 
the latter, then
 
How could I not be there if Tina was there.
:wink wink:
 
ohic...
 
user406009
We could probably due some sleuthing with timezones.
 
@Mysticial Tina?
 
1:30 AM
Cicatina.
 
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Narrow down where Cicada lives/has lived.
 
@Borgleader Someone from way back whom I've heard bad things about.
 
@Lalaland He lives in our hearts.
 
@sehe it is time my friend
 
@Mysticial In all seriousness no I wasn't there. (I registered only a couple months before you and did my best to avoid getting too much rep, unlike you, you repwhore)
 
1:33 AM
@JohanLarsson I guess you're right. Still watching that though
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I was gonna say. You're either lying or you're a different person. Because it takes effort to be someone who can troll the lounge so much that people talk about it years later.
 
@Mysticial Cicada achieved that
On a different level than Tina, arguably
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva un día
 
sry I don't speak Cantonese
 
1:35 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Oh ok.
一天
 
@Nooble That's not Cantonese.
 
@Mysticial Yes it's spanish.
 
perceptive
 
@Nooble I was suspecting that... I guess I still retain a tad bit of my 1 year of high school spanish. lol
 
It takes little effort to be someone who can troll the Mysticial it seems
3
 
1:38 AM
@Mysticial I took two years! I forgot it all.
Mostly.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva aha. I don't deny that.
 
@JohanLarsson it's is done
 
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I want to see someone who can troll Cat hard.
 
Night all!
 
99 bearable
 
1:40 AM
@Lalaland I don't think that's possible. Not even Alf can troll the Cat.
 
Bad software trolled the cat
 
@Lalaland Laser pointer.
 
you can't troll someone who thinks everything is terrible & yet being resistant & keep on doing those terrible things ...
trolling obedient people are a lot easier
just let them know how hard they are used and abused in the system, they will go nuts
 
What are you on about?
 
herself
 
1:46 AM
^^
 
1:56 AM
Finished Trig homework.
Gonna take a forever break and come back to finish English stuffs.
 
I need to refactor this whole code to be TESTABLE but nobody sees the value in that
 
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@Nooble You might want to watch the debate.
 
@Nooble stuves*
 
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@Nooble Trump is on right now.
 
@Lalaland Linky?
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Ie likee muh stuves.
 
user406009
 
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Now they just switched to a more boring person :(
 
When are US elections again
 
user406009
Next year.
 
Nooble2017.
 
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The republican debates are always interesting when they get into competitions of "who can say the most stupid things in the next 10 minutes"
 
2:00 AM
Modern politicians are depressing
 
LOL
THIS DEBATE
 
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@ThePhD Where you there for the "planned parenthood" part?
 
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That was the best.
 
NO I MISSED IT
Oh my gosh I want a recap video.
 
@Lalaland lol, what did they say?
Most hilarious shit?
 
2:03 AM
Actual quote from the Republican debate. https://twitter.com/jakebeckman/status/644326208713453568
 
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@Mysticial They basically were just trying to one up each other on describing the video in the most horrible light possible.
 
Is this true?
 
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"You should watch the video, it's horrible"
 
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"Yes, they discuss selling body parts"
 
@Lalaland ahahahahaha
 
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2:04 AM
"No, you need to see the part with the living fetuses."
 
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@Borgleader Yep.
 
@Lalaland wow....
 
WHAT IS A BLACK GUY DOING THERE
SIR
SIR WHAT ARE YOU DOING
 
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He's an idiot.
 
What.
Did he say that?
 
2:06 AM
No, this is me saying that.
 
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I have yet to hear Carson say something actually sensible.
 
Has any of them said anything sensible?
 
Not in the slightest.
"Safer during the Bush years" ----> Patriot Act
RIP common sense.
"Sttrooong Amurrican Leader"
Goodness.
And they're unapologeticly praising George W. Bush... OH ALL PEOPLE TO PRAISE.
 
Man, that debate is like watching a bunch of kids in a sandbox slinging sand at each other and then complaining about getting sand in their eyes.
 
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Lol "navy so small" Obama owned this statement all the way back in 2012.
 
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2:12 AM
Get some real arguments Carson.
 
oh boy politics goodbye
 
Didn't know vehicles could mate and bear children.
gedit?? Carson.
ayyyyyyyyyy
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva What is this about bears.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva macarena!
 
user406009
Anyways, @AnastasiyaAsadullayeva what were you primary complaints about WebSockets?
 
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I and a couple other people are strongly considering them for a new project.
 
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2:17 AM
Seems like the additional overhead per message is minimal.
 
> US debate culture in a nutshell: guy A speaks while guy B looks on like a smug cunt with a smug cunt smile on his smug cunt face. then they switch around
 
@Lalaland It's silly. Why the XOR encryption? Why the frame-based system? Why not just give me a plain, raw stream of buttes bytes?
@ElimGarak It's for show. Politics in the US are rigged anyway.
 
user406009
There is a decent reason for the XOR encryption. It's so websites can't send arbitrary bites through everyone's hardware.
 
user406009
It's only useful to browser type applications, but it's not too much overhead anyways.
 
Uh.
No?
 
2:22 AM
Xor’d arbitrary bytes being an improvement? I’m not following here.
 
I can't make sense of essentially any of the WS design choices
 
The RFC says why it does that for the WebSocket implementation: many proxies and forwarding sites can be triggered by the bytes sent through the client, and thusly they need to be masked to prevent retarded dumb internet components from doing the wrong shit and fucking up your data.
 
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@LucDanton The thing is that the web site can't control/know the XOR key. So the web site has no control over which values get sent over the wire.
 
oh look at protocol design trying to work around other component's limitations
amazing
@Lalaland XOR keys can be deduced by a 6 year old kid with mild retardation with ease
 
2:25 AM
@Lalaland The RFC explicitly says its not about security whatsoever: it's the protocol being designed to avoid shitty proxies and forwarders on the web.
It's also why the XOR-ing is for only one direction (server -> client, I believe) and not both.
 
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@ThePhD It's security for the consumer's proxies and routers.
 
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Not security for the application.
 
Repeat after me: XOR is not security
 
@Lalaland …are you saying they want encryption, but since they can’t have it, they’re picking the closest thing (that’s still not quite it)?
 
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In this case it is.
 
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2:28 AM
@LucDanton No. It's not like that at all. The XOR is strictly about preventing websites from controlling the bytes sent over the wire through a websocket.
 
It's not for confidentiality, it's scrambling so that browsers can't connect to shitty text-based protocols
 
I don’t get it, but at the same time I don’t want to dig deeper so let’s leave it at that.
 
@ThePhD It's client->server.
@CatPlusPlus You had a userscript that put message IDs on the right of the message... do you still have that?
RIP signin wall.
 
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@copy How did we deal with these attacks for normal HTTP requests?
 
2:34 AM
Block ports
 
Do u clise put most of your code in .h or .cpp files?
 
I have next to no .h files so that’s an easy one to answer.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I use .hpp!
Like cool people.
And of course I put more code in the implementation.
 
I've noticed that my headers have been growing a bit too much
 
2:49 AM
they will soon enter their reproductive stage known as 'bloat'
 
all abloat the bloat boat
 
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Don't worry guys.
 
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Modules will save us.
 
a bloated header can give rise to a hundred little headers, which will also be bloated still
 
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The second coming of glorious Bjarne awaits.
 
2:51 AM
OH GOD
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AUTISM.
AND VACCINES.
 
pls do quote the funny stuff
I don't know how to split my code jesus
 
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@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva People are transcribing the thing live reddit.com/live/vl67qdu8qpcn
 
"Cure for heart disease"
Does nobody understand how these things work?
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva take an axe to it
 
pls prfesionale advice
 
2:56 AM
i heard marijuana is a good cure for heart disease
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva take a fire axe to it
or an axe on fire, your call
 
will this improve productivity
 
it will split you code in no time
 
do you keep short funcitons in headers though
 
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@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Why would you want to?
 
3:02 AM
inlining
 
Nah with LTO I don't think inlining is an issue
 
Oh, right.
 
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@ThePhD Premature optimization
 
It's just that I'm tired of the back-and-forth between h and cpp whenever you change things
 
What is a warning is'a not important.
 
3:03 AM
Just remember if everything's in headers, everything that includes that header recompiles.
"Flat Tax"
Literally, worst idea ever.
 
Flat tax worst idea ever? Why?
 
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@ThePhD Not so with precompiled optimizations.
 
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@ThePhD Depends on how rich you are.
 
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If you are making millions, a flat tax is great.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva You either make it so small it doesn't hurt the bottom line, or its high enough to smother those at the bottom.
 
3:05 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I’ve yet to see how ClangComplete improves (or not) go-to-definition.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I don’t have hard rules for that sort of stuff.
I tend to focus on making a header look like the nicest interface it could be. Sometimes a function is so obvious that I feel making the definition visible in the interface is no hindrance.
 
You should write a LucGuide
 
Aside from that, I enjoy hiding all the naughty bits away. (See: nicest interface.)
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Haha I never put the changes back in the .hpp. Always my first error.
 
Of course templates ruin all that so they always look messy.
 
Use .tpp
 
3:07 AM
Templates are love templates are life
 
Or something.
 
I love hiding the dirty bits.
 
Kinky.
 
@Nooble I did use to separate declarations from (some) definitions but I gave that up. It didn’t really seem to help.
 
No need to include gl, Direct3D, DirectWrite, FreeType, Harfbuzz, etc. unless you want it. No windows.h, no NOMINMAX, nothing cruddy or dirty. All clean, all nice.
 
3:09 AM
NOMINMAX is literally Hitler
 
@LucDanton I don't do it because .tpp is not universally recognized as a c++ file.
 
:h filetype and :h autocmd
 
I guess...
 
too late, you’re a vimmer now
 
Veni, vidi, vimci.
 
3:18 AM
I came, I saw vim, I left
 
for me it was the reverse order
 
Now I just need the perfect project folder layout and I will finally be able to stop mental masturbation
for the next few minutes
 
dont forget to have your namespaces match the name and level of your folder tree
that is the greatest satisfaction of all
 
what is that useful for
 
So you know where things are?
beats dumping every single source file in /src
 
3:25 AM
@Prismatic false dichotomy and not the point
 
I actually really dislike the /include and /src project layout method that so many autotool projects have
 
meh, I like it
 
@LucDanton Is there even a technical reason to organize your project in a specific way?
 
Avoid filename collisions.
Ease of transplanting bits of a project to another project.
 
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You would probably also want to stay below the max files per folder limit.
 
3:29 AM
Different binaries/artefacts/etc. likely deserve to live side-by-side, not in the same place.
 
@Prismatic Good, now I don't know whether to split include and src or not.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva For a library to be installed then having a place for the headers make sense. Really it’s the 'different artefacts in different places' argument in header form.
 
The only technical reason you gave imo was avoiding filename collisions... which you can do by simply naming your stuff uniquely
 
What does 'technical' mean?
 
@LucDanton No reason you can't have your build tool manually install the headers you want
@LucDanton what I meant by it was something that isnt too subjective I guess
 
3:32 AM
tool or manually?
 
@LucDanton Hmmm, very insightful
 
@LucDanton as in, I dont think most autotool projects just copy over the entire headers dir to the install target, its only specific headers
Might be wrong on that though
 
@Prismatic If I want to move subtree foo/bar from project A to project B, how is that subjectively not easier than moving individual, intermixed files? Here’s an objective criterion to compare the two alternatives: number and length of commands.
@Prismatic Why does it matter? It’s a tool.
 
@LucDanton It was referring to your point on 'having a place for the headers'
 
I don’t do it for the convenience of the tool, I do it for the convenience of the developer.
Computers have no feelings whereas the developer does.
 
3:37 AM
How very judgemental of you
 
E.g. developer A communicates a task to developer B: 'all our public headers need an updated copyright notice, I’ve opened issue #6969 for it—can you handle it?' 'wait, which headers are those' 'those inside include/, let me update the ticket'
Convenient, no?
Objective measure: length of opened ticket.
 
hello
 
hi
 
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@PawanNagar Welcome.
 
if I want to template on a floating point type (float or double), what's a good name for that template parameter? template<typename (float or double)>
 
3:49 AM
I’d use Float.
 
full build time is much longer now that I split in multiple units
 
I finished my homework!
Good night.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva a job well done
 
cya
 
go home and celebrate?
 
3:51 AM
go hom and cri
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva But the partial builds should be faster? Right?
 
user406009
And the partial builds are what really matter.
 
well you can celebrate in any way you like
 
maybe
cri of joyce
 

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