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user406009
7:00 PM
Mice are too effective. Clearly we need to ban mice from FPS gaming.
 
user406009
Affirmative action for console players!
 
I think there's space for both.
I enjoy both Halo and Counter-Strike, for different reasons.
 
Yeah, Beyonce is great. Didn't hear that other song of hers, tho.
 
@Puppy The development of Spring was pretty cool, actually. From what I remember, a bunch of guys got sick of the limitations of the TA engine when trying to mod it to do a WWII sim, and decided to write their own. First, they had to learn to code.
 
My flatmate swears by a touchpad
But we're talking about normal people
 
7:03 PM
Now that's just wrong.
 
@TonyTheLion That's depressing
 
Well relatively
 
Well, you can write a great program in C, doesn't mean you should. Or that you will be mentally sane afterwards.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Halo's pretty shit I feel
 
@Puppy Try it. It's pretty good.
Especially Halo 3.
 
7:04 PM
Yeah, never really got Halo. Especially as the devs thought "blue" and "red" were good color choices.
 
Last time I tried Halo it didn't work on WinXP
So
 
@ElimGarak They're good choices. They even work for color blind people.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I did try it, a long time ago.
didn't seem anything special to me
 
@ElimGarak if it were true-to-life military you'd have to choose between poo team and puke team, judging by the colour of the terrain in the game
Red vs. Blue, I think I prefer.
 
user1804599
7:05 PM
delete new int;
 
Halo is just overrated crap that somehow got popular. They tried it the second time around, Destiny flopped. Should've happened on both counts.
 
If it were true-to-life military you'd spend 3 hours shooting into treeline hoping the enemy gets scared and leaves
 
@ElimGarak They're not even the same kind of game.
Also, it didn't "flop" by any measure.
 
user1804599
Why would the enemy get leaves?
 
What constitutes a flop in your book? All I hear from people is that they either hate it or love to hate it.
 
7:07 PM
@ElimGarak "all I hear" sounds anecdotal.
 
I haven't witnessed any positive critical reception for Destiny
 
That's pretty sad, actually.
 
@Puppy It has a metascore of 76.
 
ah, well, there you go then.
 
So is that like 1/10 in normal scale
 
7:08 PM
On the nonlinear scale of game reviews, that's pretty much mediocre. Or shit.
 
yeah.
that's pretty terrible in the scale of game reviews.
 
I'm fairly sure metascore starts around 70
 
basically, you can just rescale 5 - 10 into 1 - 10, and that's generous. Or 7.
 
A metascore is an average, by the way.
 
I know
 
7:09 PM
The best estimator
 
All you need is one really bad review to drive it all the way down.
 
well, mathematically, if a game has lots of reviews, which Destiny will, it would take a llot more than just one.
 
Anyway, even by the weird 4 scale game reviews use, Destiny comes out as "average".
 
but still just 76 is pretty piss poor when shit like CoD can score 78
 
7:10 PM
> Bungie admits that Destiny is crap for the first 20 hours
lol
 
Average certainly doesn't justify any commercial success. It only drives AAA developers to create more shit, instead of rethinking.
 
And because the only people who give their opinion on the Internet are the vocal haters, then, yeah.
 
Fuck AAA
 
@EtiennedeMartel To a certain extent that's somewhat true.
 
7:11 PM
Destiny sold more than 5 million copies on PS4 alone.
 
Watch Dogs was also a piece of shit built on a bait and switch campaign. Sold 8 million. Idiotic people voting with their wallets.
 
but then you'd expect terrible games to get terrible scores, which they don't
 
@EtiennedeMartel There are 2 billion Christians on Earth, also.
 
@Puppy Scores are an opinion.
 
The driving mechanics were developed by Telkitty.
 
7:13 PM
Hell, the Assassin's Creed Unity fiasco? Didn't hurt Ubisoft at all and the game still sold well.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak what's a recent non-shit have then?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sure- just the kind that goes from 70 to 100.
 
@ElimGarak I've never played it, but it actually looked pretty good. That's really disappointing
 
@Puppy I think it's more like 60 to 100, but yeah.
 
user406009
Game*
 
7:14 PM
@Lalaland Hmm... That's a good question. Ask Cat for something indie, I haven't seen anything worthwhile in the AAA space lately.
 
I watched one video and thought "This concept is kind of interesting"
 
People swear by MGS V, but I just cannot swallow the Quiet character which is butt naked and always "enticing me to fap" because she "breathes through her skin".
 
Let me all remind you that the first AC was also pretty average but AC2 was pretty good.
The first game in any Ubisoft Montreal franchise is always a tech demo/prototype
And then they polish the demo and make an actual game with the second title in the series.
 
Oh, that's right, Etienne was a Ubisofter at one point.
 
user406009
And this is why people talk about sexism in gaming ...
 
7:16 PM
@ElimGarak I have little love for their business practices.
 
This year, I am looking forward to:
...
 
@ElimGarak Don't say that too loud, Gamergate will come out of the bushes and shit on you.
 
Fallout 4.
 
@ElimGarak Which is a Bethesda game so careful with that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel BS, they've never touched bushes
 
7:17 PM
@TomW No, not those bushes.
 
I was wondering how Boost spreadsort could handle a custom compare function since it's not a comparison-based algorithm. Actually, it seems to be totally broken: if the collection is too small, it calls std::sort with the comparator, otherwise it uses the spreadsort without the comparator.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I really don't see how anyone can defend that crap. That's really in poor taste and reinforces the stereotype that Japanese folks are deviant perverts.
I mean, "breathes through her skin so she must be naked", if you told me that without context, I'd say Japanese.
 
@ElimGarak I don't think people defend Quiet specifically. I think those people are afraid that if they speak against Quiet then they'll never see a hot chick in a video game ever again.
 
Jim Sterling posted a video on it, I think. Dislikes galore.
 
There are people out there who think that "the SJWs" are coming to take their games and that those "SJWs" are the people who are criticizing Quiet's design so they're attacking those critics because they see them as their enemy.
 
7:21 PM
@ElimGarak Ahahaha
It's great because by inventing in-game excuses you're making it even more pathetic
 
Also, she must not speak English because a parasite will consume her or something. So she speaks some other language.
 
In short, criticizing Quiet's design is a code word for being a SJW so that makes you a target.
 
Kojima actually said we'll all be sorry for our words and deeds when we learn why she is naked.
 
If Kojima just said "what, I like naked hot chicks", I'd be down with it.
 
Yes! But that was just pathetic. If you're going to do something like that, just own it. It even makes it a little less creepy.
 
7:24 PM
I think at this point he's just trolling us.
Although he's been trolling us since MGS2.
Won't happen because Konami is a bunch of tosspots.
FucKonami
 
user1804599
Quiet isn't really interesting.
 
user1804599
D.D. is much more helpful IME.
 
@ScottW Nintendo tried to make a Metroid game that would sell in Japan.
Because here's the fun thing. Metroid has always been very popular in the West but not at all in Japan. With Other M, it was the other way around. Make of that what you will.
 
I liked the gameplay of Other M. Too bad the scenario sucked and they made Samus less badass than she was until there.
 
(Personnally I think it's the linearity, the action-heavy gameplay and emphasis on storytelling through cutscenes that made it popular)
(But it might also be Samus' role as a daddy issue-riddled doormat)
 
7:27 PM
Speaking of which, I feel like playing Ratchet & Clank. Such an adorable game.
 
@ScottW Frankly, it's still worth playing. Exploring space stations is always fun.
 
@Morwenn It's not so much "exploring" as it is "following a railway".
 
user1804599
Speaking of which, maybe I'll play some MGS V today.
 
@EtiennedeMartel There's that too. But the space station is cool. They chose the worst possible way to unlock abilities though.
 
It's called the "bottle ship" because the game has a subtle theme of motherhood.
 
7:29 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I liked that game
 
That's why the word "baby" is repeated a million times.
 
user1804599
how is bottal ship formed
 
Lounge<C++> would be the best game company. If we could agree on shit.
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@Puppy I advise that you allocate half an hour to that video, then.
 
@EtiennedeMartel The only thing they should have kept is the dark-devastated-space-laboratory-with-tons-of-dangerous-creatures thing.
Well, it would have been called Metroid Fusion then.
 
7:31 PM
@EtiennedeMartel The description says it only reviews like 1% of the game
 
@ElimGarak I'm pretty sure we could agree on shit. And cock. And butts. Everything else would be hard. Well, the cock too.
 
@Puppy It's still a very interesting and well paced analysis.
It might be 30 minutes long but it doesn't feel like that.
 
yes but it analyzes something I don't really care about
 
user1804599
All MGS games I played were great.
 
MGS V was the first MGS for me. And the last.
 
7:32 PM
me too, although I have never had the experience of 4 or 5.
 
user1804599
4 was my favourite so far.
 
Splinter Cell. <hides>
 
> Because at the end of the day, Metal Gear Solid 2 is a postmodern deconstruction of the deceitful and manipulative qualities of its medium.
 
user1804599
@ElimGarak haha hiding get it
 
@elyse Play Metal Gear Rising next.
 
7:34 PM
Erect Cock Rising
 
RULES OF NATURE
 
@EtiennedeMartel More importantly, it's a game in which you can hold dudes up for their dog tags
 
user1804599
I should still finish Peace Walker.
 
also, what's up with the name "Metal Gear Solid"
Random word generator?
 
no
 
7:34 PM
First there was Metal Gear.
Then there was a game set in the Metal Gear universe featuring a dude named Solid.
 
then there was a Metal Gear in which you played as Solid Snake.
 
user1804599
Big Snake and Solid Boss.
 
@elyse AFAICS there's no Gas Snake sadly :/
 
Man, Metal Gear came out 5 years before I was born.
 
user1804599
Liquid killed me in MGS V.
 
7:36 PM
Hey, it's that guy from The National (His voice is agreeable though)
 
Also, do not watch "The Gamechangers". I repeat, do not watch.
 
@elyse That fucker. Do you have any idea how hard it was for me to kill that dude once back in MGS?
@ElimGarak It was pretty good I thought.
 
"We should bring the programmers here (to South Central) so they can reiterate."
 
user1804599
@Puppy lolnoob
 
user1804599
In MGS V he's much faster
 
user1804599
7:39 PM
because he's like twelve years old.
 
user1804599
You're not allowed to kill him.
 
@BBC Was Basil Brush busy? What exactly is this random, made up bollocks?
Still cracks me up. (It's really non-factual. The sequence of events is all wrong.)
 
@ElimGarak That.. is not really an answer.
considering that Rockstar's business is literally selling random made-up bollocks
it's hard for me to consider that a criticism.
 
@Puppy Maybe they're just jealous of the BBC's bollocks.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I think they're just jealous that the BBC hired actual actors.
 
user1804599
7:40 PM
Big Black Cock's bollocks.
 
I think All your history is belong to us did a pretty good job on Rockstar's history.
Also, they focused way too much on New York exec offices of Rockstar Games and not the actual devs (Rockstar North, Edinburgh).
 
"The Gamechangers" is not a historical documentary.
 
Well, I am curious, what exactly is it, beyond Rockstar's description? :P
 
an entertaining story made of interesting characters, relationships, and events?
 
Ah, I don't know. It's kinda okay. What I liked was the outro sequence.
 
7:43 PM
if Rockstar's description of The Gamechangers was any reason to dislike it, we'd still be stuck playing WW2 shooters
 
The show did one thing for me, though. I now hate Jack Thompson even more. "Would you be willing to testify to this theory I have in your capacity as an expert?"
 
honestly I thought he was portrayed quite sympathetically
 
@ElimGarak If we all agreed on shit there would be no Lounge
Lounge is friction
 
user406009
Nah, I think we can all agree on some things.
 
user406009
Like how C is shit.
 
7:46 PM
It's not
I'm very glad C existed
 
C is nithe rest of the message has been removed by a moderator: STOP BLASPHEMY, LAST WARNING
 
Warning: I know who keeps saying C is nice for no reason. If you don't desist, then well, you're up for a bit of a timeout... don't make it come to that - thank you.
Actually, this is not the last warning, there will be 2 more and then I won't do anything anyway.
 
Because there's nothing I can do.
@StackedCrooked What's weird about it?
Sounds like any other FIFO queue
 
> using T = int; // replace with template<typename T> later
 
7:54 PM
Uninstantiated templates are great at hiding typos.
@Morwenn That's actually a tip from Bjarne's book.
 
@StackedCrooked Why would you do that?
 
debug mode for templates, having actually useful diagnostics
 
If you have a method which is not instantiated then the compiler will not always find your typos.
 
user1804599
but int has no methods!
 
@StackedCrooked also, awesome
I like it
 
7:57 PM
What do you mean by "typos"?
 
user406009
It has operator=
 
user1804599
lol, there are only three people in #eiffel
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Methods or function calls that are misspelled.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ template<typename T> struct whatever { void lulz() { T v; v.reszie(50); } }; is not an error unless you actually call lulz on the whatever<std::vector<int>> object
 
I see
Nice
 
7:59 PM
@StackedCrooked It makes sense ^_^
 

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