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11:03 AM
@sehe Cool..!
 
@Morwenn Stop with the cock jokes plz we're not in kindergarten anymore (whistles)
 
@Rerito I haven't even made a single cock joke today :(
 
@Rerito that's a li'll harsh...
@Morwenn I agree they weren't funny
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva duh. That's obviously a bracelet
 
11:18 AM
hi
 
so, think it is time to make my struct mutable :)
 
it's never time to weaken design
Still love running into this:
Ah. That snarky tone... "I googled it for" me too: tweetsehe Jul 29 '13 at 10:48
 
meta-self-reflection
 
annoying lines across
think it may be due to rounding errors, mutable will solve it :)
 
user562566
11:21 AM
stop drawing them then
 
user562566
;)
 
@JohanLarsson of course... not
 
@sehe there are other ways of course
it is just a small internal struct
prolly makes sense for perf also
and all the framework structs around are mutable, {point, vector, ...}
 
11:40 AM
Mongoose developer thought it would be a brilliant idea to rewrite completely most of the public API without warning, explanation, nor any transition guide from the previous version.
 
As long you bump the version correctly.
 
There is no version, it's a rolling release.
3
 
good joke
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva It's asynchronous.
And webscale.
Fucking hipsters.
 
11:43 AM
Move fast, break things, they say.
 
You're using both MongoDB and jabbascript
I really don't know what you were expeting
 
It's mongoose the C embedded web server.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I guess they assume only startups are ever gonna use their products, and startups die before they push the breaking changes.
 
Well that's even worse
 
11:44 AM
@chmod711telkitty :)
 
Move fast, file for bankruptcy.
3
 
Essentially
 
I can liquidate 1000 startups per week
Performance
Everything I have to do is mind-bogglingly boring
 
> Merge dev branch code named Fossa as next stable Mongoose
 
11:47 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Oh, yeah, mandatory
 
That's all the commit says
> Showing 126 changed files with 161,499 additions and 7,952 deletions.
 
How should I answer a question from a tradesman that I have never done business before. When I say 'I would like to pay the last 10%' after you work passed the inspection by the certifier as required by regulation'. They ask me "you don't trust me". That's right, I don't trust you. You tradies always cut corners. That's why regulations require inspections. But I can not just say "No, I don't trust you"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Note how Web Developer is not in the list
 
makes sense
 
11:50 AM
Goddammit, everyone and their dogs has been linking me to that finger drumming tinnitus relief thing on reddit.
 
I have chickens, chickens!=dogs
 
> Nothing overdone. Nothing less. So unbelievably easy to use. Just how good software should be! - Pritin Tyagaraj, SAP
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
@Morwenn should have watermarked it
 
@Mr.kbok Yeah, you should have :p
 
@chmod711telkitty Perhaps ask ~'you don't trust yourself'?
 
12:00 PM
why not. Is it not business?
Also, don't reply to nigerian prince scams
 
so say 'yeah, I trust you. why? don't you trust yourself?'
 
not like that, silly
 
@sehe then like what?
 
Better already
@chmod711telkitty shoosh. You know what you edited
"I hoped you trust you deliver"
 
@chmod711telkitty Maybe you can
 
12:03 PM
then I should not ask them to do the job for me if I don't trust them at all
 
@chmod711telkitty I mean if they want your business maybe they can suffer their delicate feelings being brushed the wrong way
@chmod711telkitty You don't trust anyone, but still need someone to do it, right?
 
I find it funny why they have to ask that question.
 
user1804599
I want to write something in COBOL.
 
user1804599
Also I'm thinking of adding PIC to Vlinder just for fun
 
@chmod711telkitty It raises suspicion imo.
 
user1804599
12:05 PM
struct User {
    id: PIC XX9999
    name: text.String
}
 
@Mr.kbok I do trust certain people in the trade, but their timing or price might not be suitable at the time
 
but of course they prefer to be paid in advance
 
But in general, I trust tradies would cut corners whenever they can
 
@chmod711telkitty If you don't know the guy it's just normal that you don't trust him, just like you don't trust random people on the street with your money
 
Wait, you don't?
 
12:06 PM
'We have no history and this is how I always want it' is another reply I guess. Should not escalate any bs.
 
Some people do. Depends
@elyse How many repositories have you created since you joined GH?
 
question is more is it more than INT_MAX or less?
 
Put it this way, I trust that most of them would not steal things from my site. I trust that most of them can do the job. But I can't just pay the full amount not knowing their work meets the standard. And if I did pay the full amount, and something needs rework, I can not be sure that they would be back to fix the thing as quickly.
 
I haven't!
That's prolly because I don't have a dog then
 
@TonyTheLion if it's more than INT_MAX, then it's less
 
12:10 PM
@Mr.kbok now we're going in circles :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, Paypal is super dumb and I should never do business with them even if it doesn't let me get a few things in life. Got it.
 
@chmod711telkitty I have always had too many enough chicks
 
@ThePhD Maybe I'll just get another card and use PayPal without an account from now on.
This one doesn't seem salvageable.
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok hundreds
 
12:12 PM
citibank starts to charge extra exhange fees, so I need to compare it with paypal to see which one has better conversion rate
 
user1804599
maybe a thousand even
 
user1804599
I have 129 at the moment.
 
Is 60 too much for a silk scarf
 
Too short.
 
60 what?
 
12:13 PM
cents, no
million dollars, yes
 
@elyse But then you deleted a lot
 
user1804599
yes
 
@TonyTheLion euro. Sorry Tony. Forgot you're not in the zone
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd say the remedy is wasted on teh dumbwhits that discharged explosives in their shed. I wonder whether there's footage of the aftermath
 
If it's of a good brand and for your loved ones then no. Otherwise yes.
 
12:15 PM
@sehe I suppose it only works for objective tinnitus.
Does nothing if it's all in your head.
 
user1804599
CODASYLUM
 
eh
 
@Mr.kbok thats not too bad I guess
but then I don't mind spending money on clothing
 
@ThePhD basically
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, on the bright side they shouldn't charge you, at least for merchant purchases!
The whole friend/family thing is uh.... well. I dunno.
 
12:18 PM
I don't use that.
Though it means I can't use it to sell stuff on eBay.
 
@ThePhD stupid because your bank does that better
 
@Mr.kbok With a fourty fucking dollar fee if they're not in the same country.
 
I wanna sell my telescope, and my Radeon HD7800 :/
 
@ThePhD whoa :3
Yeah, I don't have that issue.
 
@Mr.kbok You're spoiled by living in Europe.
 
user1804599
12:20 PM
found a nice idea to make compacting GC implementation easier
 
user1804599
have one heap per class
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Out of curiosity, how did they define "Anonymizing Proxy"?
 
Shit, I owe this american dude forty bucks. I hope I won't pay double the fees with the wire transfer
 
If you live in an isolationist nation things are much harder across borders.
 
Europe, that bastion of free trade
 
12:21 PM
Wiring is expensive, to & from Australian anyways. Paypal is probably cheaper.
 
> Anonymizing Proxy is a tool that stands between your browser and the internet, redirecting all requests for web pages to the proxy servers and making you anonymous to the websites you're visiting. It's a way of providing a fake IP address to any websites you're using.
 
It's not a fake IP
 
@ThePhD ooooooh, so that's how paypal was 'good'
 
I use credit card a lot when overseas, conversion rate is not too bad.
 
@thecoshman I liked PayPal because it avoided spreading my payment details all over the web.
 
12:23 PM
Also I don't like to travel with a lot of cash.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so it's utter bull shit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does McDonald's wifi count as Anonymizing Proxy? University? Work?
 
@Mr.kbok it matches that definition
 
If they want it to, probably, yes
 
@Mr.kbok Dunno. I don't know what instance they are talking about, but I used my own squid instance, so I know they are right about it, one way or another.
 
12:24 PM
only if you pay for your burgers with cash
 
@sehe you were right
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, it was handy for that, but it sucked at protecting sellers
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Lol. I'm reading stories about how someone who logged in from an internet cafe to do business got their account axed immediately.
 
@JohanLarsson hmmmpf. It was a free claim :)
 
They're full of shit, IME paypal just reserves itself the right to ask of you any amount of personal information/identification and even then they will block your credit card if they like
 
12:24 PM
And apparently that falls under the "proxy" rules.
 
@LucDanton bitcoin
@LucDanton McCoin
 
Paypal undeniable had/have a handy service, but they are utter cunts
 
@Mr.kbok My card doesn't exist anymore. Part of why this is so difficult to solve for me. They want last month's statement to prove it's my account. There is no such thing; I cancelled the card months ago when it was stolen.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you have money on it?
 
I don't even remember the full card number anymore.
 
12:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes how did you solve the moving to Germany thing with paypal?
 
Created a different account.
Fuck them.
 
paypal is so far so good for me, online shopping experiences could be 10x worse
f*ck ebay
sh!ttiest of them all
 
fuck chronopost, etc
 
I wish Stripe hurried up with international support
 
@Mr.kbok Now I really just want it unblocked because there's some websites I buy from that only take PayPal.
 
12:28 PM
Yeah. I use paypal and I like it. I just make sure not to depend on it in any way - too many horror stories
 
It's passable when you're buying
 
When I sell, I like to take cash
but I don't sell many things, only things that I have but don't need
 
I guess could just create another account under fuckyoupaypal@rmf.io and drop this forever.
 
like furniture & construction materials
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Suddenly linked IPs and FROZEN ACCOUNT!
... That being said, you've accessed paypal already at your current location?
 
12:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes is it your bank a/c or just the card you had registered?
 
gumtree is very good with that, especially when you don't care about the price you selling at.
 
@thecoshman Just the card and it's dead.
 
oh you'll be fine hten
I had my English bank account linked to paypal with my email, and I can't use that email for my Irish account, as it's tied to the English account
 
Yeah, I had that trouble when I moved.
Asked them for months to change my account to a German one, but nothing.
 
you can set up 2 accounts, when you buy things, choose the one you would like to use
 
12:34 PM
afaik they simply will not do it
 
I have 2 accounts, credit card account for paying things, savings account for receiving payment
it's defaulted to savings account
but everytime I buy things, I manually change it to credit card account
 
Hi!
 
Hi
 
- is the evilest directory name.
How do I avoid cd - when cding to it?
I could rename it, but I'm curious now.
 
cd -- -?
 
12:39 PM
Tried cd -- -
 
cd ./-?
 
Oh right. Thanks.
 
:D
 
@sehe That behaves like cd - for some silly reason. Was my first try.
 
Really
 
12:40 PM
Morality: defensive shell scripting should cd ./$SUBDIR
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not in my bash
[sehe@uniquepc01 /tmp]$ mkdir q2
[sehe@uniquepc01 /tmp]$ cd q2
[sehe@uniquepc01 /tmp/q2]$ mkdir -
[sehe@uniquepc01 /tmp/q2]$ find
.
./-
[sehe@uniquepc01 /tmp/q2]$ cd ./-
[sehe@uniquepc01 /tmp/q2/-]$
 
Just 'moral', as in 'moral of the story'.
 
w/e+cba
 
@sehe That's not cd -- -
 
Oh. I didn't hover to see that was to the first suggestion :)
@Mr.kbok y u not even quotes
 
12:42 PM
@sehe You got the point
 
Yeah. The point was "cba"
 
Sorry, I'm incredibly lazy today
 
> Xerox PARC's self-destructing chip explodes on demand - spiffy
 
Clock jokes must be filed before three hours hence. They will be rejected after the deadline.
 
@LucDanton HOW TO SUCK CLOCK
Thank you for considering my joke
Anyone has an idea what is wrong with
template<typename Key>
struct keystore { };

template<typename T>
struct is_keystore { enum { value = false }; };

template<>
template<typename T>
struct is_keystore < keystore<T> > { enum { value = true }; };
?
 
12:53 PM
- template<>
That's a diff.
 
Should be only one template<typename T>
 
@Mr.kbok two times template?
wtf
 
It's a specialization, right?
 
yes
 
still you should use just one template clause
 
12:54 PM
Isn't that the syntax for explicit specialization?
 
@Mr.kbok The "two templates" thing is for when, well, there's two templates.
 
template<> is for full explicit specialization
template</* things */> is for partial explicit specialization
 
@Mr.kbok Double template in the third
 
12:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not that helpful since two templates are in fact involved.
 
Just remove template<>
 
@BartekBanachewicz Guess he got confused with coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/25d29a3dda686354 /cc @Mr.kbok
 
I got confused with
4
A: Templated class specialization where template argument is a template

Ryan CalhounIt's possible to specialize the class like this template <> template <typename T,typename S> class MyTemplateClass <SomeRandomClass<T,S> > { void DoSomething(SomeRandomClass<T,S>& t) { /* something */ } }; It's not possible to specialize just the member method, because the specialization i...

(and still am)
 
specializations kinda "steal" the parameter for the inside type
 
12:56 PM
you can’t trust what you read on the interweb
 
template<typename T> f;
template<typename T> f<vector<T>>;  // <- specialization
template<> f<int>;  // <- specialization
 
@Mr.kbok Deploying downvotes.
 
It's wrong? :o
 
see my example above
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :O
 
12:58 PM
cba to read
 
Wizardry
 
@Mr.kbok Yes, just wrong. Nothing else to be said for it. Take the second answer.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, thanks. Guess that explains my confusion.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just FYI coliru accepts it
 
we aren't talking about class member functions
 
@Mr.kbok YOU MUST INSTANTIATE ADDITIONAL PYLONS TEMPLATES
3
 
12:59 PM
@Mr.kbok what
 
g++ tolerates the extra template<>
 
@Mr.kbok instantiate it
 
:)
 
@Mr.kbok Always compile with Clang
 
1:00 PM
oh right. two phase
I'm tired today
 
Should file a bug.
 
did we just find a G++ bug or a C++ bug
 
btw, std::vector<int> is a specialization of std::vector
 
g++ does not warn
 
I figure you could always use some more confusion
 
1:02 PM
prog.cc:15:1: warning: extraneous template parameter list in template specialization
template<>
^~~~~~~~~~
1 warning generated.
that's from clang
but why warning?
 
Where's the [-Wwhatever] at the end?
 
@LucDanton I know
 
That's shoddy.
 
@LucDanton specialization/explicit specialization
 
Clang masterace
 
1:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes They’re not reliable IME.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes [-Wall] :D
 
Which I’ve always assumed to mean that even the compilers don’t know where their diagnostics come from.
 
@Mr.kbok ?
@LucDanton Yeah :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it gets you that warning.
 
@Mr.kbok he meant "use -Wnosomething to disable something"
 
1:04 PM
oh
 
@Mr.kbok Yes, but that usually shows up in the message.
 
@LucDanton Linus' voice: "this is why exceptions are bad"
(I know)
 
That warning is horrible.
 
I was googling what the hell Comappare could mean
 
Though not as bad as it would be in VS.
-isystem can save you here.
 
1:06 PM
Warning C4852: object in scope free of reference
 
Wait, what?
 
Just inventing visual studio-grade messages
 
lol
 
Oh.
Not what I meant.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought you meant the quality of the message
 
1:07 PM
I meant that in VS you would get the warning and have no way to disable it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What do you mean, there's a switch
 
Yes, you could fix the code, but you can't if it's not your code.
@Mr.kbok Which one?
-Wall?
@Mr.kbok I mean for the template<> warning, not the unused variable.
In your code you should fix it, so it's fine, but in third-party code it's a different story.
 
It's an error, I don't understand
 
It's a warning.
7 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
prog.cc:15:1: warning: extraneous template parameter list in template specialization
template<>
^~~~~~~~~~
1 warning generated.
If the compiler accepts it, it should have a way to accept it silently.
 
But that's clang
 
1:10 PM
@Mr.kbok I meant that if it was in VS it would be worse because you couldn't compile it silently.
 
You couldn't compile it at all
 
The most annoying /W4 for me is the one where it warns about "shadowing a global variable".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe the lack of switch means it’s not switchable.
 
OTOH All warnings have their disable switch
with their dumb error codes
 
@Mr.kbok It doesn't quite work in VS, btw.
 
1:11 PM
The switches?
 
The in-code ones, yes.
 
I don’t know why I felt the need to point that out. It made sense in my head 30s ago.
 
I don't want to disable warnings globally because third-party code is noisy.
 
Yeah, you need to push/pop warnings
 
Doesn't quite work.
It's broken.
 
1:12 PM
do you mean it's stupid or it plain doesn't work
 
Nothing is simple with VS.
 
But with g++ and clang you don't have them at all, right
 
@Mr.kbok You do.
But you also have -isystem which is more useful.
 
oh, right
 
1:14 PM
@Mr.kbok It doesn't work. Put warning worthy code (any warning) in a template in a header, #include it and instantiate the template and compile that silently without disabling stuff globally, making that header leak #pragmas (i.e. miss the pop), or disabling it manually.
 
You can put everything in stdafx.h and disable all flags on it via project config :3
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah.
 
@Mr.kbok Not an option if you're developing the library.
 
I am addicted to selling things on gumtree. Maybe I should sell my old iphones & windows phone on it too!
 
> Supports GCC, clang, and VS if PCH.
 
@chmod711telkitty sell me your iphone
 
1:16 PM
you would not want it, it's old
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I lurv that
 
Actually I don't think I have filed a bug for this yet.
Tempted to title it "Add support for writing C++ libraries".
 
@chmod711telkitty how old is he
 
I'm getting some weird vim/tmux/UTF-8 interaction :<
 
At least you're getting some action
 
1:27 PM
it's funny how people preferring SVN over git prefer tabs over spaces
 
Ooops, not running tmux -u.
FAIL>
 
@BartekBanachewicz do they - wait that seems to be true here too
 
there's a correlation that I can't sadly prove
 
God, takes forever to start.
 
mmm. I think correlations can mostly be demonstrated (unless they can be explained by a (system of) causation(s) that can be proven?)
 
1:31 PM
7
A: Login without running bash_profile or bashrc

Tom RitterI used a published CVE to execute a command as root through a web interface in a network monitoring software I had installed. "rm /RAID/home/tom/.bashrc" Then I could login and svn revert the changes I made.

 
Literally impossible to run non-shell commands over SSH
 
well.
You will reject this, but DISPLAY=localhost:10 sudo -E gparted& works fine for me
 
I think he was sarcastic.
 
oh. I didn't know the exact context. Sry
 
well
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus WTF? How is that legal?
 
Well done, Tim, well done.
 
Unity's MonoBehavior overrides == and that comparison is true if the object isn't null but had the native thing associated freed
For extra fun
(ToString on an object like that also returns "null")
 
user406009
That's pure evil.
 
1:52 PM
So I got a Rainbow Six Siege beta key. Heh.
 
Our condolences
 
user1804599
fapfapfap
 
@CatPlusPlus wth
 
The beta goes live on september 24.
 
@elyse the null thing triggered it?
 
1:52 PM
Maybe I'll just play CS instead.
 
user406009
I hope at least they made sure that null == null.
 
user406009
Otherwise all hell would break lose.
 
did Andy head of to america in the end?
or is he just sulking?
 
user406009
Arg, packet loss is still screwing me over this morning. TCP just seems to shit itself when you start losing 25% of packets.
 
What's funniest is that repo is from Unity Tech, they had to workaround their own brilliant design decisions
 

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