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11:00 AM
@khajvah I really dunno where to start.
 
Ell
@buttifulbuttefly material ui?
 
But every person I talked to that uses both excel and that crap agreed
Every single one.
 
Ell
on blender?
 
These guys get paid $ so much $ to do art projects kids do in kindergarten
 
@Ell no material design.
 
11:00 AM
@Rapptz may look good on phones but on PC oh god rly
 
I swear they might as well have made a bunch of macaroni art
 
@buttifulbuttefly I think it looks good on PCs.
 
God damn I hate material design
 
Literally the only reason to use libreoffice is some sort of inability to use Excel
 
Worst UI design I have ever come across
 
11:01 AM
like money or w/e
 
@Rapptz This is where your optician comes in!
 
user562566
is bartek a lrio smurf account?
 
Ell
"literally the only reason to use libre office is this list of reasons: inability to use excel, lack of money, w/e"
 
I don't see the hate of Material Design.
 
not a list.
 
11:01 AM
@Ell Please don't feed him.
 
Ell
Okay
 
Honestly you guys are the first people I've met to dislike it
 
Ell
I will leave now
 
Just let him rant.
 
ENLIGHTEN ME
 
11:02 AM
it's "can you use Excel? No -> well then you're shit out of luck. Can you use gdocs? no? Poor fucker. time for libreoffice"
there's also apple software and that's better than LO too
 
I don't dislike it. I think it's fine for mobile apps, I don't think it's suited for websites.
 
MS should release Excel 2000 for free and I'd still prefer it.
 
but why
 
@Rapptz I haven't upgraded my phone... that's how much I dislike it
 
Everytime google invents a UI (every 18 months), they have to rewrite everything with it and push it everywhere
It wastes a lot of space!
 
11:03 AM
18 months is not that bad
 
@Prismatic You are weird m8
 
On a related note I will never purchase android again because fuck not supporting my phone after 18 months
 
I looks like primary school shit that looks ugly as hell to me. About 5x as much white space as you need, ugly as hell colors, etc
I understand that this sort of thing is super subjective... but I've really never come across a phone UI that's offended me as much
 
@Rapptz said the guy who uses numbers to represent parts of words.
 
lol offended
 
11:05 AM
look at me totally not editing my message
 
@BartekBanachewicz r3a11y
 
I am gonna buy a blackberry or a jolla phone next time
 
I'm going for Jolla
 
@buttifulbuttefly My LG G2 still gets updates.
 
My Galaxy Nexus doesn't, since late 2013, fuck them.
 
11:05 AM
> First released September 12, 2013; 20 months ago
 
k compiler went boom due to a polymorphic lambda—really wish I could reduce
 
the hardware of jolla is old.
@buttifulbuttefly install cynogenmod
 
user562566
@buttifulbuttefly paranoid rom
 
I have it already and cyanogenmerde is one of the most terrible roms I've come across
 
@buttifulbuttefly That's why you get a nexus
I have a Nexus 4 and I can still apparently upgrade to Lollipop
 
11:07 AM
1 min ago, by buttiful buttefly
My Galaxy Nexus doesn't, since late 2013, fuck them.
 
Galaxy Nexus is 3 years old though
and >Samsung
 
Fuck planned obsolescence through all of its gaping holes.
 
Yeah but when was the Galaxy Nexus manufactured
Its ancient
prehistoric even
 
I'm not part of the system.
 
What system
 
11:08 AM
I'll change phone when this one dies hopelessly, not before.
 
Dude phones don't die that easily
 
I'm still on android 4.2
 
If you're willing to replace the battery anyway
 
I have updates for 4.4 and 5.0 but I don't want them
 
@Prismatic Hence.
 
11:08 AM
I still have my 2007 iPhone and it works... had to replace the battery a couple of times though
Yo real talk, this trend with giant phones is so terrible
It feels so uncomfortable putting them in my pocket and then sitting down... so annoying
@Rapptz Why not?
(I'm also on JB... solely to avoid material design lol)
 
0
Q: nullreference exception was unhanced C#

Cristina Someone can have an idea for this error??? This error apear when i selected in grid row with null id for cota_15

 
@Prismatic what?
@Prismatic buy a smaller one then?
I'd like a 6" phone I think.
gonna aim for that next time
 
@BartekBanachewicz There aren't a ton of options. They are also pretty expensive. The phones I could afford when I bought the nexus 4 were all similarly sized
 
get a blackberry
 
11:12 AM
@Prismatic All my apps already have material design
 
playing hearthstone on a blackberry is great
 
I used to own a Playbook. Don't think I'll ever buy another BB product
 
the improvement is really nice
 
@Rapptz then why didn't you update to 5.0?
 
blackberry os might be the best mobile os on the market right now
 
11:12 AM
@Prismatic I'm too lazy to reroot
 
lol
I haven't rooted my phone even once
didn't feel any need for it
 
the first thing I did when I got my phone was root it
I had ~30 or so apps that were just bloatware.
 
Bartek likes windows. He doesn't mind pointless applications on his hard drive.
 
rooting is a necessity anyway
Jolla comes rooted <3
 
I want a jolla
 
11:15 AM
jolla's os looks great
 
You can develop with Qt and hence native c++ how cool is that
 
@buttifulbuttefly Well nowadays you can use Qt and c++ to develop on iOS and android too
 
Irrelevant!
Still in a VM no?
 
11:18 AM
ofc not
 
no?
 
does it matter it is on VM or not?
 
it uses the NDK for Android
 
Well for Android kind of
It still has a Java activity
But it forwards everything relevant to your application in C++ so you don't really need to touch the Java stuff at all.
 
11:20 AM
Eeeeh so it doesn't run in a Java process?
 
on iOS it always was native
 
who's gonna register for SwagFriends.com
 
@buttifulbuttefly what's "in a java process"
 
lol apple wants $400 to change a simple button, this backberry costs $270 unlocked.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Forked from Zygote
 
11:21 AM
@buttifulbuttefly Yeah its a traditional app that uses Java. There's no way to run a gui application on android without Java is there?
 
Okay so it sucks, as expected
 
what's sucky in that again?
 
Purrformance?
 
Ell
@Prismatic I don't think so
 
@buttifulbuttefly ekhem?
 
11:22 AM
I don't speak polish
 
how is the fact that you are a forked process impacting performance?
 
It's a VM
 
Cicada is trolling again
 
Ell
dalvik vm
 
Xeo
11:23 AM
@Rapptz That is actually a thing?
 
virtualizing what
 
A Java VM
 
@Ell that's for java bytecode, not for native code
native code is, DUM DUM DUM executed natively by the CPU
 
From a VM, very useful
 
Have any of you created a kickstarer
 
11:23 AM
what the fuck do you mean by "from a vm"
 
> I believe the name itself is what drawing all the new users to join everyday since I am not spending any money in marketing this site.
 
a vm spawns a fork process
 
These people are funny.
 
Ugh, just look up how android works thanks
 
@buttifulbuttefly Please don't wind up Bartek again.
 
11:24 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes But he's wrong again
 
@buttifulbuttefly why don't you fucking use some actual knowledge or arguments instead?
 
user562566
oh my goodness guys, why don't you just try NDK development. It's a fully standalone application compiled to native code using either gcc or clang. It's not some toy IL that's emulated by android vm
 
you're free to shout out pointless nonsense
you said how native apps on android are "slower" because they "are run from a vm"
 
BARTEK BANACHEWICZ
@BartekBanachewicz There, I just did
 
now back it up or eat it
 
11:25 AM
@TechnikEmpire Isn't the pure NDK activity thing severely gimped
 
user562566
@Prismatic I don't get what you mean.
 
I worked on a totally native android application for over a year and a half at intel btw
 
Most cross platform frameworks choose to create a Java activity and manage OS events from it, delegating to native code as necessary because (last I checked) the NDK activity was pretty limited
 
user562566
@Prismatic unless you're not writing a game, you do have to talk to java through JNI for some things. But the only ugliness is on the java side where you're having to use JNI. Your native code stays native, doesn't get butchered
 
Also lol fucking "native is better because faster" idiocy again
 
11:27 AM
can't hear you over your pointless nonsense
 
5 mins ago, by buttiful buttefly
Purrformance?
this, OTOH, is a well-based constructive argument
 
@TechnikEmpire I wrote a bluetooth application in native code. If I didn't want to create a Java activity and do most of the work there I had to write a ton of hellishly ugly code in C++ to call p much every routine from JNI
 
you should become an expert in the on SO and tell everyone that they should rewrite their Java/C#/JS apss in NATIVE technology
because NATIVE is FAST you know
 
Do the words "garbage collector" trigger you? Welcome to Lounge<C++>!
 
user562566
@Prismatic meh, I dunno I guess it depends on what you're doing. I was writing a game engine, barely had to change anything between windows and NDK
 
11:30 AM
oooh game engine
 
user562566
@Prismatic yeah 95K lines when I lost it all
 
is it open source?
@TechnikEmpire wut
 
user562566
its gone to the "why didn't you backup" hell
 
ah
 
yeah right; he's pretty much like Fermat
 
11:31 AM
@TechnikEmpire where was your code repository hosted?
 
user562566
@BartekBanachewicz C:\ ?
 
user562566
lol
 
Was it 3d? What kidn of architecture did you use (ecs, scenegraph, something else)
 
you deserve it
 
11:31 AM
o boy if only this margin was a little bit wider I sure as hell would show you my proof for a^n + b^n = c^n for n > 2
 
@TechnikEmpire you didn't have any remotes?
 
user562566
lol someone fucked with my computer, stole it and tried to steal code off of it
 
user562566
when I got it back, I had to destroy it :(
 
user562566
long story
 
11:32 AM
I mean why would you do that
 
plonk'd
 
I remember when I first started using git, I thought it was like dropbox
I just 'git add .' everytime and pushed to remote
 
@BartekBanachewicz by "that" you mean why he would make up random crap in a room full of strangers? who knows
 
Then some guy got mad at me and said to stop uploading build files and binaries in the repo lol
 
lol
 
11:33 AM
.gitignore helps
 
Yes, I am slightly wiser now. Shadow building and gitignore for temp files and the like
 
user562566
@ScarletAmaranth ? the hell?
 
I ate McNuggets
 
@AlexM. hang in there though!
 
congrats
 
11:34 AM
good job
@R.MartinhoFernandes I find that page pretty ugly
 
and @buttifulbuttefly, in case you'd like to say I'm not backing myself up, here's an answer that basically states that a fork should be p much as performant as a native binary
IPC is only needed to handle OS messages and doesn't impact processing at all
 
i don't want to work today
also Bartek, he was comparing VM with native binaries
Linux's fork is irrelevant
 
18 mins ago, by buttiful buttefly
@BartekBanachewicz Forked from Zygote
or is it
 
o
 
zygote forks aren't copied, because linux uses copy-on-write for forked memory, and android processes can't write in that memory
> Zygote isn't really bound up with Dalvik, it's just an init process. Zygote is the method Android uses to start apps. Rather than having to start each new process from scratch, loading the whole system and the Android framework afresh each time you want to start an app, it does that process once, and then stops at that point, before Zygote has done anything app-specific.
> Then, when you want to start an app, the Zygote process forks, and the child process continues where it left off, loading the app itself into the VM.
it's just a way to launch other processes.
Zygote itself doesn't do anything to the process.
 
11:42 AM
that's right
 
user562566
who's this scarlet person who randomly joins into discussion to call someone a liar and then disappear?
 
also there's ART instead of Dalvik now that does AOT instead of JIT compilation
but it's not ~native~
 
I want to play GTA sanandresa
 
but it should be error know because there is no one called joe ! — utility 3 mins ago
Eh. I feel you, "utility".
 
poor joe
 
11:50 AM
Has anyone noticed that the weather google displays is total shit
 
I use accuweather
 
Its consistently off by several degrees vs local reports and doesn't factor in humidity or anything
 
Heh. Still getting used to this.
 
Google says today the high will be 21 degrees in the after noon. Local weather: 25 degrees, feels like 27 with the humidex
 
@sehe fiber got there I see :)
is it symmetric?
 
11:52 AM
It has come to the point where it is now definitely faster to /just bulk transport/ instead of compress first
@BartekBanachewicz It is now. Yesterday UL was still 2x DL :)
 
lol
@sehe it's faster than to copy from a pendrive :D
 
bit!=byte
 
well I have some old pendrives
 
Ok...
I'm now running
sehe@desktop:/mnt/WIN7VIRT/LINODE$ ssh linode 'tar cp /mnt/data/{mail,repositories,www} /home  ' | pv > full_backup.tar
 
100Mb is fine for now but I guess in like a year or two I'd like to see 1Gb
 
11:54 AM
Because it's faster than
sehe@desktop:/mnt/WIN7VIRT/LINODE$ ssh linode 'tar cp /mnt/data/{mail,repositories,www} /home | pbzip2 ' | pbzip2 -d | pv  > /dev/null
 
1Gb Internet will finally prompt 10GbE connections in normal PCs I hope
can you imagine that
1GB/s transfers
 
I still have 3 mbits/s
so no, I can't imagine that
 
@BartekBanachewicz Isn't that approaching transfer rates on non-sdd hard drives?
 
we'll need either PCI-E drives or SATA 4
 
@sehe That's beautiful.
 
11:56 AM
@Prismatic meh, I don't care about singular HDDs vOv. And matrices can get such speeds.
 
@sehe download wikipedia :D
 
8 modern HDDs should be able to get 1GB/s reads I guess
 
I'm not just downloading for the downloading. I want to rearrange the vps to use ZFS
And then use proper snapshot exchange to keep it up to date
 
of course there's the access time too
@Prismatic Also with my 250Mbps internet my friends with HDDs weren't able to DL/write fast enough
 
This is the cheapest way of accomplishing this. I would have had to locally rearrange the LVM2 physical volumes into fewer ones otherwise. Now I can just nuke them (and revamp the whole VPS)
 
11:58 AM
I hope GH will give me my $100 on digital ocean
 
> In April 2014, Hynix announced that it has developed the world’s first highest density of 128 GiB module based on 8 Gib DDR4 using 20 nm class technology. The module works at 2133 Mbit/s, with a 64-bit I/O it processes up to 17 GB of data per second. Hynix expects DDR4 SDRAM to be commercialized by 2015, and make it a standard by 2016.[34]
 
I have a couple of $50 amazon gift cards
I dunno what to buy
 
Books. Have you heard about them?
 
@sehe wasn't ram already much faster than that?
 

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