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10:01 AM
I think I have PTSD, everytime I see <adverb> + fast, I think of Rust.
 
Mar 9 at 7:17, by Luc Danton
> internal compiler error: in tsubst, at cp/pt.c:12022
it all happened before :)
 
Same line, even
 
@buttifulbuttefly Right, that was something different from the actual bug I filed today and I have no idea what the segfault is about. Will investigate after the break.
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked it's so cheap for a macbook
 
10:02 AM
Now do it!
 
Ell
it must be stolen
 
Tragically the pt.c:12022 stuff has only been filed this week :s
 
Ell
someone confirm that it's stolen so I don't buy it
 
@Ell almost certainly at that price :P
 
Ask the owner if he's black
 
user562566
10:02 AM
@buttifulbuttefly lol terrible!
 
Ell
@buttifulbuttefly Why? I think we already know the answer
 
@buttifulbuttefly I think current gen xenon runs at that clock, but with 18 cores or something like that
 
@Ell You racist, it's not because you're a thief that you're black!
 
user562566
I'm flagging. I'm black
 
Ell
@buttifulbuttefly the answer is maybe
 
10:03 AM
Ell is the raciest.
 
I'm back
 
@TechnikEmpire really, don't. Flagging is not the solution.
 
Ell
@thecoshman I think he's japing
 
@Ell why are you fapping?
 
Ell
I'm not
I'm looking for laptops to buy vOv
 
10:04 AM
you are rather hot
 
user562566
the white guy with the two white kids in my profile are just some people I was stalking, planning to steal their tv
 
I would aim at people who live alone if I was to steal
also TV so cheap nowadays, not worth the effort
 
@Ell that makes no sense... the outer part of an audio jack is meant to be ground anway. It's the tip of plug/deepest part of the socket that carries the signal
 
> "last_updated": 1.43289e+009,
@Rapptz precision = 6 is funny
 
JBL
Hello lounge!
 
10:08 AM
Salut jibé ça farte ?
 
default float shouldn't do that :(
what the hell is MSVC behaviour?
 
JBL
Crap, who's that again :(
Oh.
@buttifulbuttefly How many times did you change your nick since I visited here... ? :P
 
hmm
@Ell new Dell XPS 13 is pretty nice
 
@JBL No idea (do you really think I count!)
By the way my next nickname will be funny for a change
 
JBL
Now I'm trying to remember one.
 
Ell
10:12 AM
@thecoshman only the one furthest back
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's very nice, I warmly recommend it, except the latest BIOS update destroyed the keyboard.
 
@buttifulbuttefly did it melt?
 
Ell
also connecting signal ground to the antenna probably isn't a good idea
idk, I just know that lack of insulation was the problem
 
@BartekBanachewicz It makes duplicate keypresses every 10-12 keys, very annoying
 
Ell
and that the issue was caused by contact between the case and the plug
 
10:13 AM
suck
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz meh, it's overkill for me
 
also I've realized the card I need is in the last wing of Molten Core
 
Ell
I don't need particularly good hardware
 
2800 gold or €20
 
Ell
I need to be able to browse, do email and chat
 
10:13 AM
@Ell chromebook.
 
Ell
and have good battery life
@BartekBanachewicz yeah that's what I'm looking for atm
 
@Ell also a tablet.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz meh I want a keyboard
 
Oh, they just released another update and the comments say the issue is mostly fixed, yay
 
Ell
and not just a plug-in one
 
10:14 AM
@Ell buy a tablet with a keyboard, duh.
@Ell what's the problem with that?
 
Ell
I want to be able to put a proper os on it also
@BartekBanachewicz I don't need to unplug it
 
@Ell why? You just said you just want to browse, email and chat.
@Ell Why is the ability to unplug it a problem?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I still want a non gimped os :P
 
@Ell Why? (Also no idea what you mean by "gimped")
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz because the ability to unplug means I might leave the keyboard somewhere
@BartekBanachewicz because I like to fiddle with things
 
10:15 AM
39 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Ell why? You just said you just want to browse, email and chat.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz okay, I want to fiddle also
 
@Ell yeah, that might cause issues
 
that's changing the requirements
what kind of "fiddling"?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I agree
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not sure yet
the keyboard is the main issue
 
@buttifulbuttefly I had that on a dell, it's like it fails to detect the key up
 
10:17 AM
 
I'm half tempted to get a tablet just for reading comics and the like on
 
@Ell it's hard to pick hardware if you don't know your requirements
 
user562566
anyone use boost::asio?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I agree
Well, kinda
I pretty much know my requirements
It's the things above
 
3 mins ago, by Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not sure yet
 
Ell
10:20 AM
email, browsing, chatting
it's email, browsing, chatting and "not a tablet"
and good battery life
they are my requirements
 
"not a tablet" isn't a requirement
it's dumb nonsensical prejudice
 
Ell
what is it then? :P
okay forget that then
It needs to be 13" and sub £200
 
esp. in 2015 when the line between "a laptop" and "a tablet" is so blurry
 
Ell
it's not very blurry
one has a keyboard the other doesn't imho
 
@Ell Cheap, well-hung gigolo?
 
Ell
10:22 AM
@buttifulbuttefly very well hung :v
 
JBL
@Ell What are Windows Surfaces then?
 
dunno if you can get anything 13" for £200
 
Ell
@JBL tablets
 
@BartekBanachewicz What's that
 
@Ell with a desktop OS and a keyboard dhipped as a standard
 
Ell
10:23 AM
@BartekBanachewicz okay fair point
 
@buttifulbuttefly Asus transformer. You can get them for £190 but in 10.1"
 
Ell
just forget the not-a-tablet requirement then
 
@Ell wanted a 13"
 
13" are typically expensive IMHO.
like downsized ultramobile 15"
 
Ell
10:24 AM
I can get an asus c300 for £159.99
brand new
 
@MarcoA. no pain no gain
 
I thought you didn't want a gimped OS
Android is way more powerful than Chrome OS when it comes to "fiddling"
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not going to leave chrome os on it
 
but then again we still have no idea what fiddling you want to do with it
 
Ell
I'd put gentoo on it probably
yeah forget the fiddling thing too
 
10:25 AM
@Ell ah I thought you wanted a usable PC my bad
 
Ell
let's just go with my original requirement
 
@Ell then why bother with Gentoo
if you just want to browse, email and chat Chrome OS is plenty fine
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz It is usable :P You're just bad at linux
@BartekBanachewicz okay leave the fiddling in then
 
I officially fixed my iphone 6's power button - now I can use it to turn my phone off, although I can not turn the screen off by pressing it :p
 
@Ell lol.
yeah well good luck with your gentoo
 
Ell
10:26 AM
I won't need it :P
but thank you anyway
 
Chrome OS? What a piece of shit
 
You changed the requirements 10 times in the last 10 minutes
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz you kept complaining at me :L
 
maybe that's why you like linux; a computer isn't a tool for you, it's a toy
 
Put some linux distro that suits you, gentoo prolly not the best choice but if it suits you then sure :)
 
Ell
10:27 AM
I'm just trying to make you happy @BartekBanachewicz, can't you see that? :'(
 
well, I was trying to be helpful.
 
I tend to be a Debian fangirl but I hear Arch is also fine
 
Ell
I'm on linux mint atm but my installation is fucked up in so many ways
I will start from scratch after my exams
 
Mint debian-based or noobuntu-based?
 
2 mins ago, by Ell
@BartekBanachewicz It is usable :P You're just bad at linux
@buttifulbuttefly mint is based on ubuntu.
 
10:29 AM
There are two versions
 
glorious.
 
Ell
@buttifulbuttefly noobuntu based
 
They are both silly now, since the Ubuntu version only updates to LTSes.
Which is completely retarded.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz it's still entirely usable
 
user562566
10:29 AM
@BartekBanachewicz hey linux isn't for making your computer a toy ok. It's for doing lots of work, like spending hours and hours just getting your devices configured properly, then spending days recovering from bad kernel updates or driver installations
 
Ell
is just "unclean" :P
like the way you think c++ is unclean
 
@TechnikEmpire I meant getting actual work done.
 
@Griwes Both silly? LMDE is great
 
user562566
@BartekBanachewicz yeah I know.... my response was sarcasm....
 
@TechnikEmpire I've noticed. Just clearing it up
 
10:30 AM
@buttifulbuttefly I want my Ubuntu packages thank you.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz Are you saying you can't get actual work done on a linux distro? :P
 
@Ell I'm saying it's more annoying and takes more time.
 
@Griwes Are you telling me you don't get access to the rolling packages in the ubuntu edition anymore
 
Ell
depends on the work
 
> I consider myself pretty good at C++, but holy crap is it going to take me a long time understanding this! :-)
 
user562566
10:31 AM
spywarebuntu
 
take away the pretty good at C++ part
 
@buttifulbuttefly I'm on Ubuntu right now, so vOv
 
and you get my impression :D
 
@Griwes Frankly I doubt they'd do that, link pls
 
"Ubuntu" is an ancient African word for "I don't want to waste time configuring Debian again".
 
10:32 AM
All in all, a Windows + a linux VM is going to always be better than just raw linux
 
Ell
I prefer just linux
 
but then again you don't work on your computer.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Linux Mint, the Ubuntu version, is only based on LTSes (and obviously the tiny updates LTSes get).
 
@BartekBanachewicz other way around m8: Linux + a windows VM will always be better than just raw windows
 
@BartekBanachewicz lel
@buttifulbuttefly lel
 
Ell
10:32 AM
@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean by work?
 
Intel is doing VR as well?
 
@Griwes lol
 
You just need a dual-booting system.
 
@Ell A work is typically something you do to get money.
 
Ell
a job?
 
10:33 AM
@Griwes You can boot the linux into a vm or directly. My friend did that.
 
Ell
To me work includes things besides job
I work in the garden
 
@Ell for example.
 
Ell
I work to get better grades
 
@BartekBanachewicz I work on my projects on my computer.
 
Ell
work means lots of things
 
10:33 AM
inb4 I work out
 
yeah, but hobby work has a vast difference
 
I got invited to some Intel VR demo thing.
 
your time counts less
 
Or are you suddenly claiming that writing personal code is not working? Because that'd be, you know, extremely silly.
 
10:34 AM
bah, your time keeps that work done
 
Ell
Studying ain't a hobby
 
it kinda is
 
Ell
How?
 
user562566
@R.MartinhoFernandes hold on, a senseless argument is happening.
 
only when you start to value your time properly you start to value the tools and the OS you use.
 
10:34 AM
@buttifulbuttefly Virtual Reality.
 
uni doesn't value your time
neither does hobby work
 
Ell
I'm not at uni yet
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, that kind of assumes that they are not on the same physical drive - I tried to do that with both systems from the same device, windows didn't let me.
 
Ell
I'm working so I can get there :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz lel
 
10:34 AM
@Ell and yet you're teaching me all about how awesome linux is for work
 
I never heard of it, though. Wondering if I'm getting my kidneys harvested.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Also that's why I'm using a Linux on my company computer.
err
 
@Griwes He did that on a laptop.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I said it depends on the kind of work
 
10:35 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh yeah, they bought some Oculus-like company a while ago, no?
 
Ell
I said that I work on my computer which has a linux distro on it
 
amazing.
 
@BartekBanachewicz How is "laptop" and "separate drives" mutually exclusive? lol
 
@Griwes in that case, it was one drive.
 
10:36 AM
OneDrive
 
Okay, so I want his solution.
 
Contact him vOv
dunno if he's using this setup anymore
 
Because when I tried it w/ VirtualBox, Windows wasn't happy.
 
It's here in Berlin, and it's free so I might go.
 
user562566
I don't get all the hype over VR anyway. I don't know any average consumer who is like "oh I can't wait to wear 10 lb device on my face or hold my tablet in the air and look at the world through it"
 
10:36 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes the pic looks really badly cropped
 
Oculus doesn't weigh 10lb
 
I think boss has been negotiating some kind of project involving VR anyway, so it might be useful.
 
@TechnikEmpire sounds p hype to me
 
user562566
@BartekBanachewicz regardless of what it weighs, it's a gimmick
 
@TechnikEmpire because you said so?
 
10:37 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm curious btw, what kind of work do you do?
 
it's way cheaper than a 3D screen surround setup
 
user562566
@BartekBanachewicz isn't that the way opinions work, or just mine?
 
and results are, depending on content, sometimes better
 
@buttifulbuttefly My company makes hardware/software packages for neuroscience research.
 
@TechnikEmpire The way opinions work is that there are opinions formed well, i.e. on some basis, and opinions pulled out of ass, i.e. based on outright ignorance.
 
10:38 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Neat!
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz wut?
 
user562566
@BartekBanachewicz lol, let me guess how often you judge your own opinions as being "pulled out of the ass"
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are you saying that ass is not a valid basis to form an opinion on?
 
@Ell it's a way to say "I've had my share of linux usage and discussions, tyvm".
 
We're currently working on a system for a university research team that is researching Alzheimer's disease.
 
10:39 AM
@TechnikEmpire I try to avoid having such opinions myself.
 
I wish guys could wear skirts
it is so hot in here
 
about about shorts?
 
@khajvah if you wore a skirt it would be even hotter~
 
technically yes
@BartekBanachewicz do you like hairy legs?
 
10:40 AM
woah Android Studio is adding c++ support
 
@khajvah not really no
 
I wonder how much like CLion it'll be
 
huh
 
user562566
@Prismatic but, eclipse already has it C++ support
 
> Tuesday, 9 June 2015 from 09:00 to 18:00 (CEST)
Hmm, gotta ask boss.
 
10:41 AM
Yeah but I hate Eclipse
I like IntelliJ slightly more
 
eclipse is a piece of shit
 
user562566
so is mingw
 
lol windows
 
@TechnikEmpire did you just compare a particular build of a particular compiler to the IDE?
 
what does mingw have to do with eclipse
 
user562566
10:43 AM
lawl, random oses no one develops for
 
@TechnikEmpire lots of people develop for linux, mate
 
user562566
@BartekBanachewicz yes, I compared a compiler to an IDE because I have the reasoning skills of a baby
 
@khajvah all 3 of them!!
 
user562566
was that the right answer?
 
oh lol
 
user562566
10:45 AM
@khajvah you're right, richard stallman does
 
Ell
the majority of public servers are *nix
 
there is so much ignorance in here
 
user562566
server != personal computer
 
Ell
@TechnikEmpire developers don't just develop for personal computer
someone has to write server software too. it doesn't just come from hell
 
Am I late for the Anti-Linux shitposting?
 
Ell
10:46 AM
or heaven
 
@Rapptz no I can still take your input
 
what input
 
@Rapptz well anti-linux input, duh
 
user562566
@Ell those poor souls
 
all I saw was brainless bashing
 
10:46 AM
you joining in or not?!
 
6:45 AM so iunno
 
never too early/late to bash linux fanatics
 
oh hey rapptz is in best time zone
 
the problem is, Bartek and Tachnik, yours are just opinions without a proper argument
 
user562566
same time where I am, that's no excuse
 
10:47 AM
I'm not bashing
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz hey I'm not a fanatic :O
 
@khajvah my argument is that I'd use linux if it was nice to use. I'd also use OSX, Android, iOS or whatever.
My choice isn't based on prejudice or social ideas or whatever; it's purely pragmatic
 
@BartekBanachewicz what do you mean by "nice to use"?
 
has enough support, allows me to do stuff I want easily, and so on and so on
 
Man, my geometry structure in my renderer has 400 bytes of meta data ugh
 
10:48 AM
A question about coding style in C: We have code to concat + build a large string and put it in a buffer. Current code uses a bunch of snprintf+strcat, which is inefficient. I suggested using output of snprintf and a pointer to chain the parts into the buffer. Is that a good idea?
 
ubuntu has enough support and can do stuff easily for you.
 
Imagine sending geometry thats only a few bytes but requiring an overhead of 400 :[
 
@khajvah Touchscreen support is meh, drivers are worse, HiDpi support is meh
 
I have a relatively new PC (i7 4790K, Z97 mobo, GTX 970, etc) and I don't have driver issues.
 
otherwise I like Ubuntu
 
10:49 AM
@BartekBanachewicz use gnome on ubuntu for touchscreen
driver argument is too old.
 
ikr
 
Ell
I have never had driver issues either
 
does Mesa support GL4.4 yet?
 
it's a nice maymay though
 
Ell
mesa supports 4.5
 
user562566
10:50 AM
yeah
 
user562566
I stopped arguing because I actually like linux and ran out of ideas for dumb shit to argue against it
 
meh
 
then there's only the problem of steam games not working there as easily
 
Ell
@Rapptz lol@maymay
 
10:51 AM
lemme think what else
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz they work just as easily if they are supported
 
"if they are supported"
 
Ell
but yeah not as many games supported
@BartekBanachewicz it just sounded like you were implying steam on linux was more difficult to use than steam on windows
it's the same
you click on a game and press install
 
@Ell so that's something I'd lose by moving to linux.
 
Ell
then press play
@BartekBanachewicz you are correct
 
10:52 AM
@BartekBanachewicz what games do you usually play?
 
how boring
 
Ell
nobody is asking you to move to linux though
 
ending the night with muh games
0/10 low effort
 
Ell
we are just asking you to stop spouting shit
 
> Discover what's new at Intel, where True Key™ technology lets your face be your password, with intuitive apps that include facial analysis.
 
user562566
10:52 AM
lol
 
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, they got it wrong again.
 
@Ell there's no shit in linux annoyances
it surely improved in the recent years, I agree
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz saying that one can't work on linux is shit
 
but then again, so did OSX and Windows
 
> annoyances
 
Ell
10:53 AM
You need to be talking about a particular distro anyway
 
windows or OSX are not better than linux in any way
 
@Ell Could people work on Windows 95? yes. Is this a shitty OS by today standards? yes.
 
Ell
linux is a kernel
@BartekBanachewicz but you agree that claiming that you can't work on linux is shit, right?
 
Linux is a hobbyist project written in terrible C in order to create a gratis alternative to unix
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes R&D tinkered with face recognition and now needs a way to market it in order to justify their research.
 
Ell
10:54 AM
linux is not a hobbyist project
 
yeah not at all.
 
Ell
linux is everywhere man
 
@Ell so what?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz what does "hobbyist" mean?
 
Java also is, doesn't make it less shitty.
 
10:54 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I give up. Too much shitposting for today
 
@StackedCrooked They could at least market it properly :( A face is a username, not a password.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh, good point.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well...
 
10:55 AM
@Ell The paid distros are perhaps better, but they are mostly fit for enterprise environment
 
user562566
@R.MartinhoFernandes not to mention that they're selling it like it's not a boring feature someone else already came up with years ago
 
@BartekBanachewicz terribreOffice
 
I would rather use a "hobbyist" project than a project made for squeezing money frm its users
 
@StackedCrooked please take this the fuck away
don't remind me I have that installed
 
Ell
I don't know what "hobbyist" means still
 
10:56 AM
I'll need to use it today
 
sarcasm star deployed
 
Ell
libre office has actually got significantly better of late imho
 
I already feel how bad it is seeping on my hard drive
 
@Ell It means something you do in your spare time because you enjoy it.
 
@Ell that's like saying your cancer got better, but you're still going to die
 
10:56 AM
@buttifulbuttefly careful, by starring you condone shitposting
 
Ell
If we are going by @StackedCrooked s definition then linux isn't hobbyist
 
strategic retreat
 
Anyway
 
libreoffice is probably the worst widespread software I'm aware of
 
I bought Splatoon today.
 
Ell
10:57 AM
@BartekBanachewicz No it's not :L
 
It was fun.
Fin.
 
it's less reliable than game cracks
 
I use LaTeX.
 
Ell
I use LaTeX also
 
Or Google Docs if I'm desperate.
 
Ell
10:57 AM
but I need spreadsheets
 
well there's also blender
 
Blender is gr8
 
Ell
Blender is gr8, I agree
 
but blender has just fucked up UI
 
Bartek can still shitpost about it, no matter how good it is
 
10:58 AM
whereas LibreOffice is rotten to the core
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz meh I prefer blender to maya
 
even Stallman acknowledges how terrible it is
 
Is this website broken for anyone else
 
Go back to work.
 
10:59 AM
I installed Excel after some time lately and it was like ohmigosh
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't, I'm on linux vOv
 
and then I had to use libre office at work
 
user562566
@Prismatic nope
 
@Prismatic no
 
god I hate this hipster material UI
 
10:59 AM
it's just painful.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Dude did you see the video on how they created it
 
it's more or less like Excel 97
 
what's painful about it?
 
everything is so big and bloated and WASTE OF MY PRECIOUS SCREEN REAL ESTATE
 
@buttifulbuttefly excuse yourself
 
10:59 AM
With a bunch of hipster designers cutting shapes out of construction paper and shit
 
@khajvah Stop engaging.
 
@Prismatic no, must be gore
 
material design is gr8
 
ok
 
I WILL FIGHT YOU
 

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