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10:00 PM
^Purrr!
 
Xeo
nope, no purring. sleeping silently
 
does it leave hair everywhere
 
^You misread, I am purring seeing such
 
Xeo
@AlexM. yes
 
I think the sickest combination for cats is
1) big yard
2) make cat be maine coon
 
10:03 PM
@AlexM. That's usual, unless you have native black cats ...
 
or those big siberians
 
@Xeo lovely
 
@AlexM. I got me a Maine Coon, and a Norwegian Forest Cat, which is basically the same thing, except from Norway instead of Maine.
 
does it get angry at dogs
given the size I'd expect it to smash dogs around
 
Neutered ones are smaller. My Maine Coon is a cuddly little furball afraid of dogs. The Norwegian is very cautious, but has attacked two chihuahuas.
 
10:10 PM
tiny dogs are annoying
 
Koalas make great pets.
 
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A: How to read DIMACS Vertex-coloring graphs in C++?

seheHehe. This is gonna be the third boost bug to report today. The dimacs parsing code looks truly evil to me. The interface is very inconvenient and the implementation... Well, as you found it's very wrong: In read_edge_line there is this loop: if ('e' == linebuf[0]) { while (*tmp != '\n' &&...

Wow. My third boost issue to report in a day
 
I have jobsearching
or really, having to do things
 
wow
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Q: Eror!! How to do that the function temaplate was as the argument of the function template?

szym05template< typename Typ, int size> void Vector::sort(std::function < inline bool(const Typ &a, const Typ &b) > function_compare)throw(...) ???

 
@AlexM. Maine Coons are the only decent looking cats.
 
10:15 PM
needs more verbibols
 
@Rapptz siberians too, they resemble coons a bit
and the norwegian forest cats as pointed out by duck
actually anything that looks wild is a decent looking cat
 
Not a fan of siberians.
 
@Rapptz say it to its face
 
tbh cats and dogs are only cute when they're babies
 
wait, what is this? Watching some random anime series on hulu, and got to episode 8, and the subtitles on this episode are Japanese.
 
10:17 PM
actually one sec
the upload will take a while
right
@Rapptz say it to its face
I DARE YOU
 
lol that's not an adult cat
 
ageist
 
v1.04 of Witcher 3 came out today
 
all baby animals seem so cute
the only ones that don't are... humans
for some reason
 
10:19 PM
babies are cute
 
@Borgleader Disagree. Too often, teaching newbs to solve their problems debugging is sadly teaching them to use (char*) s.m_pdata->ptr[0] and complain that it crashes some times. They'll disregard logic and just go cargo-cult ("It looks ok!").
 
@Rapptz I know and it fucked up my key mapping I had to redo it
 
The debugger is one tool to check assumptions. It should actually be about last in line; only when all premises have been checked in isolation and the program still runs erratically, run it under valgrind and ubsan. Only then does one grudgingly start the debugger.
 
their first graphics patch also reset my graphics options
what a bunch of lame programmers
 
it rewrites the ini
that's why you have a .bak
 
10:20 PM
@AlexM. does make a tiny bit of sense (if the options changed meaning, e.g.)
 
@sehe nah they just unlocked some keys that were previously unassignable, nothing that could not be recovered
@Rapptz did you finish the baron's quest?
I wanna know what choice you took when you met the tree
 
no I played Insurgency
 
at least Insurgency doesn't have wraiths
 
I feel like playing more Insurgency
 
I should feel bad for the option I chose but I don't really feel that bad
 
10:22 PM
but I want the satisfaction of beating this quest
 
I feel too sorry for the guy
 
He's a wife beater
And a cuck I guess
 
everyone was things at some point
 
lol he is not he was
for many years
 
the quest I think is one of the nicest I've seen so far in a lot of games
 
10:24 PM
yeah everyone says that
 
after you finish the "main" part of it it turns into "secondary"
but that's misleading
because you need to finish another main quest to make it continue
(you don't get a marker on the map or anything)
also let me know if you encounter a progress bug in the swamp village, I did
after I talked to a kid the quest didn't update and the game didn't let me save nor do anything related to quests
I had to restart
I got scared
the last thing I want is a showstopper bug
 
I wanna finish but the fucking wraiths man
:(
 
lower the difficulty?
 
they make me feel like I'm terrible
nah
lowering the difficulty is the same as quitting
 
I wanna level up to fight the cool guys from the trailer
found one in velen, level 21
 
10:27 PM
did you see that gif
with the sword swing
I want that so bad
 
is it a mod?
 
no it's a skill in game
3rd one in the Fast Attack category.
 
Qt's documentation is good
 
I met triss today
but man after that baron quest
everything seems lesser
 
“They’re powered by Internet outrage.”
Had to add the caption somehow
 
10:37 PM
I've updated the "simple" parser. It had bugs. This is why I prefer the parser generator approach. — sehe 10 secs ago
 
ok back to playing now
@Rapptz lower the diff to kill those wraiths
 
nop
 
I really wanna know how you end the baron's quest
it's such a moral dilemma at the end
if you look at my decision on paper it's wrong but I don't feel like it is
 
I'd probably let the kids live.
 
you read spoilers eh
I didn't let them live
 
10:42 PM
I didn't do it on purpose.
The posts are everywhere and hard to avoid lol
:|
 
mandatory music before I go
the ending reminds me of the flute things in naruto
at 1:45+
 
interesting
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Q: Why is this nested variadic template an invalid argument?

user2023370If I define a struct template Bar which accepts a template argument: template <template <int,bool,char> class> struct Bar {}; I can instantiate it using a struct template such as Zod: template <int,bool,char> struct Zod {}; Bar<Zod> a; I can also instantiate it using a nested struct templat...

can't quite understand this comment:
@Barry My point is that DEF's technically parameterized over a non-type parameter pack. And a template template argument taking a pack doesn't match a template template parameter not taking packs. — T.C. May 20 at 15:27
after instantiation of the enclosing ABC class template, DEF should not be "taking a pack"
 
People are getting lazier
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Q: Eror!! How to do that the function temaplate was as the argument of the function template?

szym05template< typename Typ, int size> void Vector::sort(std::function < inline bool(const Typ &a, const Typ &b) > function_compare)throw(...) ???

WHAT
 
repost
quasi-Lounged
 
@fredoverflow I showed 'coffee cup girl' your post. She did not take offense:)
 
11:01 PM
"how to do that the [x] was as"
Well. has anyone really been far even as decided
 
He accidentally the clause
 
santaed
 
Wat do here sehe???
 
Is simple. Solve by fixed. Then beguns the profited
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I should report issues to boost trac. ~~effort~~ / ~~boring~~
 
One is not enough gentlemen
 
11:14 PM
Epic butthurt if anyone missed it:
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Q: Dyslexic newbies in danger of serious downvotes

Agent ZebraDyslexic coders are already at a disadvantage, seeing things that are not actually there in the code, or reading the code in ways that make it at first sight mean something other than what it means. Then we find Stack Overflow, and we post our questions, and are treated to assaulting responses. ...

 
> dyslexic
But how will dyslexics read that
 
Dyslectic
Gah. Boost TRAC sooooo slow. Preview takes ~2 minutes o.O
 
@AndyProwl Answered.
 
> There are so many errors in your program.
1. string is not a data type.
U fukin wot
Trolled to the max
 
11:25 PM
@Mysticial Fuckin' awesome!
 
@sehe Except in this case it would have been very useful. If you read the post OP thinks he knows whats going on but is sure of nothing because he hasn't even stepped through the code at all. The only thing he's sure of is that it doesn't work. Its not even his code, so stepping through it would be quite informative.
 
It's Cicada, innit?
 
Of course like anything it can be misused, but I think it can be an effective learning tool.
 
ok. I hate debuggers for the reason stated. They're rarely useful to me. Although I used one today to spot/isolate a bug in boost graph
 
@Columbo This seems to follow T.C.'s reasoning, but I don't understand it. After instantiating the outer class template, the inner one (DEF) should just be a regular class template with three non-type parameters. The fact that the parameter list was generated from a pack expansion should not be relevant IMO
 
11:29 PM
@sehe don't get me wrong though, I understand your position and I actually realized I rely on the debugger too much, which is one of the reasons why I develop some of my projects on linux, because I know I cant be bothered to use gdb so i'll have to learn to live without one.
 
@AndyProwl See the updated answer
 
Ell
I don't get why people don't like gdb o.O
 
@Borgleader Don't tell anyone, but I might be affected by the same :)
 
@Columbo lol
 
Ell
11:31 PM
Maybe I'm not good enough at debugging to use some advanced features that are hard to use
All I do is step and print data
 
And show thread info/backtraces? And hop in/out of editors?
 
@sehe according to FF, that is an untrusted connection
 
I agree with Uncle Bob: been good at debugging is a non-skill. If you're a master at debugging it means you debug often, which means you write bugs often.
 
@Ell I should learn the basics of that someday
 
@AndyProwl lol this logic
 
11:33 PM
it makes sense
 
Ell
Yeah and backtraces
 
does it really
 
Ell
And set breakpoints
 
NoooooooooooooooooooOOO! Boost TRAC ate my second ticket :(:(:(
 
@AndyProwl your code always works the first time?
 
11:34 PM
@AndyProwl thats crap, a) all software has bugs, b) maybe your code has less (or no bugs) but other people's code might.
 
@MooingDuck No, but I very rarely need to debug it
 
@AndyProwl you just leave the bugs there?
 
inb4 my argumentation is terrible
 
Ell
Why do lounge projects not work?
 
because of Uncle Bob
 
11:35 PM
@MooingDuck No. I adopt TDD. If something I write does not work, I know it immediately: it's the last thing I wrote and it's a small piece of code. Most of the time it's enough to look at it more carefully to figure out what's wrong
 
Ell
I think we should collaboratively do a post mortem on lounge<chat>
 
@AndyProwl ah
 
and if that doesn't work then yes, I fire up the debugger, but that usually involves setting a breakpoint in the test and continuing from there (no need to set up conditionals etc)
 
meh TDD
 
@Rapptz what's wrong with the logic? It's true in my personal experience as well as witnessing
@Rapptz That's another story. But the kind of intentional programming that comes from not debugging your code unless absolutely cornered makes a difference
 
11:37 PM
If you're a "master" at X it doesn't imply that you do something that requires X often.
 
@Ell Because loungers are procrastinators
 
It doesn't make X a non-skill.
Replace X with CPR, first aid, etc.
 
@Rapptz Ok
 
Again Lounge unable to take slightly imprecise statements
 
Well. it's like... I consider myself a master at editing. I need to be. Master at debugging, not so much
 
11:38 PM
What I meant is that it's a skill that probably reveals a much more serious issue
 
Not probably. It enables something else
 
Ell
@sehe there must be more to it than that
Peoples personal projects have momentum
Well, some do
 
@AndyProwl The broad statement is wrong on other levels too. You can debug for other reasons such as debugging other people's code. It doesn't have to be just about you.
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@Ell you mean, group projects?
 
You could become a "master" of debugging through that alone.
 
Ell
11:40 PM
@AndyProwl yeah
 
Fingers crossed. Please don't eat my ticket this time, TRAC
@Ell Mine don't. This is why I come to SO. To get some goals
 
@Ell I doubt there's a single reason: little overlap in interests maybe or lack of commitment
 
@Rapptz I don't remember an occasion where I gleaned much insight by debugging through someone else's code.
 
not a professional but I have through other people's projects
 
Code navigation tools: indispensible. Debuggers: hardly adding value (beyond confusion).
 
11:43 PM
@Rapptz I think relationship with debuggers begins long before one starts debugging other people's code
 
Well, "seeing how it works" from debugging gives me the uneasy feeling I was talking about earlier. You're prone to to seeing how you /think/ it works. Debug runs are anecdotal evidence, so to speak
 
When you move your first steps and you get things wrong you get used to use the debugger because it's the most natural tool to resort to
and then you stick to it as the first weapon
at least that's how I acquired my debugging skills and how I've seen my colleagues develop them
 
Yup. Me too. The debugger as a crutch. The "lamp into the darkness"
 
yeah
 
Come on TRAC
/cc @LRIO
 
11:47 PM
When I spot a bug what I do is look at the actual code first
usually debugger is last resort
 
Issue reported here OT: svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/11342 Boost Trac is debilitatingly slow :(sehe 5 secs ago
 
not first
the only exception being seg faults
 
@Rapptz So... we agreed
 
No
 
@Rapptz valgrind comes first
 
11:47 PM
I don't agree with Uncle Bob
I still think that statement is rubbish
 
Me neither. About the TDD relegion
 
Ell
I look atcode before running a debugfer
 
Well, it's an Uncle Bob statement. Read it with Uncle Bob amplitude transformations: "Debugging is overrated"
 
Ell
Well actually
For it usually goes "is there an exception? Use a debugger to get a stacktrace"
 
I don't agree with calling it "TDD religion". He has very good arguments. Religion doesn't
 
Ell
11:49 PM
"Is it unexpected behaviour? Look at the code"
 
@AndyProwl I was using a religion in the (popular) sense: what happens when people raise "rules" to "dogma"
 
> Rim – Aspiring Vim-like text editor [Rust]
cc @butt
 
Ell
Lol@thename
She already talked about it
 
For me it is "Does the test fail? Look at the code." 90% of the time it's enough. 10% of the time I have to set a breakpoint in the test and step through. But it's never "oh let's see I need to set a conditional breakpoint that is hit if this variable has twice the value of this other variable and only the 3rd time"
 
aw
 
Ell
11:51 PM
He, w/e
 
it's 9 hours old
 
anyway, time to sleep
night folks
 
Ell
@AndyProwl night bud
 
@AndyProwl It does happen with the "other user's code" or when integrating large systems. Often it comes down to tracing sequences of events
WTF. Boost Trac is getting even slower ?!
 
Ell
11:52 PM
I don't write tests really
I am a sinner
 
This is one epic way to discourage issue reports
 
they should use github issues
 
Probably
 
considering they're already there anyway
 
Ell
If you start a project, when do you report bugs?
 
11:54 PM
I don't know what's keeping them
 
@Ell early as possible?
I don't see the harm in that
 
Ell
But I mean, if you have barely any code, do you bother reporting the bug and then fixing it?
Meh I'm wishy washy
Hmm
 
why not?
 
Ell
I'm not sure exactly what I'm asking :(/
 
what if the person is unaware of the bug
 
Ell
11:56 PM
Well if the project is very early stages it might take as long to fix the bug as it dies to report it
Do you bother reporting it or do you just fix it?
 
just fix
time to play Insurgency
 

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