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3:00 PM
@rightfold mathematical definitions where I understand literally nothing are the best
 
and remember you can't bend it too much
 
Ell
you can bend it quite a bit
 
@Prismatic You have to apply linear approach to learning rather than recursive.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Don't you guys have automated tests?
Or even manual test plans?
 
@EtiennedeMartel ahahahhahahhaa
lol this made my day
tests
 
3:01 PM
Or even actual confidence in your architecture?
 
@EtiennedeMartel OHOHOHOHOHOH
 
@milleniumbug I'd rather just use references that aren't made for people who already know what the reference is discussing
 
this is hilarious keep them coming
 
Does anyone here play Garry's Mod?
 
Or even actual confidence in your lead?
 
3:01 PM
@EtiennedeMartel AW LMAO
zomg
 
Better to laugh than cry, eh?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I hope I don't find myself disconnected
 
@EtiennedeMartel :D
I don't mind PRs that much
especially because everyone can see how I'm fixing our lead's code
the fix is on public display
 
@EtiennedeMartel that's a thing?
 
@AndreyErick the "friends" part certainly seems ludicrous
 
3:03 PM
Bartek are you really bragging about a job you got fired from
 
...
 
@buttifulbuttefly yeah, well, this kinda spoils it
 
BasicString is working now. Implemented a fully compliant stoi implementation here, working tests are here. Even -0 is parsed correctly for unsigned, hehe. /cc @FilipRoséen-refp
 
but I'm trying to focus on my professional attitude
 
Xeo
Welp, I guess I'll just accept all this as some higher form of magic, and get a replacement cable just in case at the next opportunity.
 
3:03 PM
So, Ludia is now the biggest mobile game developer in Canada.
 
I'm going to give it my 100% till the end.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Vous êtes au salon du Québec apparemment
 
@BartekBanachewicz fuck that, strip naked and run around like a loon
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel aka the biggest rip-offer? :P
 
Well, at least I'm going to try to.
 
3:04 PM
@buttifulbuttefly On fait de la charité, oui.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Props to you for that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel grumble grumble transatlantic relocation is trivial thing apparently grumble grumble
 
@EtiennedeMartel C'est vous qui mendiez ?
 
user3790646
Is Cicada still online?
 
@AndreyErick no, she died long ago
 
3:05 PM
She just went offline
 
@buttifulbuttefly that being said, at least here I can express that I am really tired with all of that and I am really looking forward to 17:15 when I can leave and go back home
@buttifulbuttefly hmpfh
there are no girls on the internet
 
Make your own company
 
Bartek's Haskell House
 
Also lol leaving at 17:15
 
@buttifulbuttefly too much effort
 
user3790646
3:06 PM
guys, wanna see my ex gf again? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡ °)
 
@thecoshman It's not that hard
 
@AndreyErick nobody cares
 
You guys are easy
 
@buttifulbuttefly I came in 9:15 today
4
 
Is buttiful butterfly another rightfold alias?
 
3:07 PM
I'm staying for exactly 8 hours and not a minute more
 
@caps I think he's Cicada
 
buttiful is just another bug
 
@buttifulbuttefly I would. Too bad it's so hard to get profitable
 
@Columbo Ah. Has cicada been getting flagged/kicked or something?
 
3:07 PM
@caps it is.
 
@buttifulbuttefly hard enough
 
Surprisingly I haven't been suspended for weeks, not that Lori didn't try (props to him!).
 
user3010322
@Columbo What is Constainer?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Is that a "Biggest moron in America" kind of award or a Victoria Cross kind of award?
 
@BartekBanachewicz you had to be fired to get that attitude?
 
3:08 PM
@ThePhD const container?
 
@ThePhD My library for constexpr containers
 
user3010322
Oooh.
 
@thecoshman I typically stayed a few minutes extra when needed
 
clever wordplay
 
user3010322
So everything's compile-time ?
 
3:08 PM
@ThePhD like Fusion I guess
 
@ThePhD Yep ;)
 
@BartekBanachewicz sure, but I then leave early next time :P
 
Check out the tests
 
or rather, MPL /cc @Columbo
 
user3010322
Kinky.
 
3:09 PM
I should upgrade Hate to GHC 7.10
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, it really isn't anything related to metaprogramming, is it?
 
hmm I don't have an issue for that
 
My old library, VTMPL, was
And it's called accordingly
 
@buttifulbuttefly On offre du vrai travail à tous ces pauvres programmeurs qui se font offrir des stages pour un salaire de merde.
 
Le JV en France à part Ubi ça paie très mal en effet (450€ / mois... même à Paris, wtf)
 
user3010322
3:10 PM
@Columbo Kinky.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I suspect contractor.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Et si t'es à Paris le loyer va t'empaler.
 
@ThePhD What does that mean
 
user3010322
That the library is nice.
 
@ThePhD Cheers.
@ThePhD Also, check out the commit messages :D
 
3:12 PM
in Bar<C++>, 57 mins ago, by Alex M.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he put me on the list of people who annoy him today orsth
3 hours ago, by Alex M.
you'll understand what's wrong with your attitude on your next lost job
 
Wait, I posted these yesterday, in frustration
 
@Bartek I do 8h30 - 19h30, sometimes more, with 40 mins lunch break.
 
sigh
@buttifulbuttefly whaa
paid?
 
@buttifulbuttefly What, being buttiful?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes
 
user3790646
3:12 PM
my life in a nutshell
 
user3790646
 
user3010322
> Fucking fuck my life
 
I also work on public holidays such as today
 
user3010322
Huhuhu
 
@buttifulbuttefly I could tell you a story how the project manager who pretty much got me fired forbade my manager here to allow me to do overtime
 
3:13 PM
MY SCREEN REAL ESTATE
 
@ThePhD That's not my commit message!
I said "fuck my fucking life"
 
@AndreyErick look at my Q/A ratio
 
user3010322
Makes sense.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol, because the overtime is paid? (mine isn't)
 
user3010322
@Columbo Same difference!
 
3:13 PM
@buttifulbuttefly that's what I asked uh
 
@buttifulbuttefly I hope the pay is good.
 
It is (it's finance after all)
 
Oh, right, hedge fund. The scum of the Earth.
 
@buttifulbuttefly good. You'll be first on my list when I run out of money and noone will want to hire me
I can write code for food.
 
Can someone clean up the star board? Jeez
 
3:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz So next week?
 
@BartekBanachewicz hint, hint.
 
@buttifulbuttefly it's still twoooooo moooooneths
 
@buttifulbuttefly you are in Asia vOv
 
> Advocate developer
I could do that
 
I can develop avocados
 
3:16 PM
@EtiennedeMartel no remote I guess? I am not willing to relocate ATM :S
 
user3010322
Midnight tomorrow is when I get all my grades.
 
I really want to live in a flat I renovated for a while
 
> Ludia's innovative and high-quality product portfolio consists of original and branded properties including , Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader?®, Family Feud®, Jurassic Park, Press Your Luck®, The Price Is Right®, Where's Waldo?® and Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.
 
either way time to go home
 
@BartekBanachewicz We don't even do remote in Quebec, so I'm sure you being on the other side of an ocean wouldn't work.
 
3:18 PM
Man, I just don't have time to keep up with lounge drama.
 
@Prismatic It prints money.
 
@AndreyErick why is this newsworthy
 
@EtiennedeMartel Is the pay good?
Seems like they have entry level positions that fit my (lack of) experience level
 
@Prismatic Compared to other sectors in software development, not that much. Compared to other jobs in general, quite a bit.
 
Xeo
> Advocate developer
wtf is that even
 
3:20 PM
@Xeo Training/best practices for our devs.
 
Xeo
mh
 
We have our own tech, therefore we also need evangelists for said tech.
 
Xeo
> Qualifications :

B.S. Degree in Computer Science, Math, Engineering or equivalent experience
Solid knowledge of the C/C++ language
aah, good ol' C/C++ language
 
@Xeo Yeah:)
 
Yeah, I know. I should go see HR about this.
 
Xeo
3:22 PM
Also about the ridculous degree qualification :P
 
Solid knowledge of GNU/JavaScript
 
Xeo
although I guess requiring something like that is not unusual over there
 
@Prismatic Video game development has a (usually well deserved) reputation of exploiting its employees' passion for video games by paying them less than what you would expect for that level of experience.
Average salary for a senior dev (5 years of experience) in Canada is roughly 60k CAD.
 
I should work in gamedev - my code is crappy enough.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That doesn't seem right
 
3:23 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That's not terribly high
 
Xeo
Also, I like how "B.S. Degree" can be read as "bullshit degree".
 
when I graduated I swear 60k was starting for new grads
 
Cost of living is usually pretty low, especially in Montreal, so in practice it's not that much of a big deal.
 
@Xeo isn't that the actual name?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Rent? Taxes?
 
Xeo
3:24 PM
> • Excellent communication and interpersonal skills
bleh
 
@AlexM. NO! I waste... spent three years getting one.
 
@EtiennedeMartel grumble grumble wish I had the chance to find out grumble grumble
 
@Xeo That's me!
 
I was earning ~$50k during an internship doing research of all things, so yeah. That seems low imo
 
@Xeo I don't tell everyone to fuck off and eat shit.
 
3:25 PM
@MartinJames I have to waste a few more months to get my bullshit degree
around 3 or so
 
Still I desperately need a job... maybe I will apply just for kicks to see what happens
 
I swear to god I don't feel that much different now than I felt when I first went to college
 
@Xeo Is there a job app that doesn't have that point on it somewhere
 
lol the airplanes ticket just dropped 300 € since yesterday what the f
 
I can't remember 'when I first went to college'. It's erased from my brain, kinda like memories of serious car accidents sometimes are.
 
Xeo
3:27 PM
@buttifulbuttefly I hope you didn't buy yours yet
 
ptime::total_milliseconds doesn't exist? — ronag 2 mins ago
Live demos don't impress everyone
 
personally I'd definitely rather forget those years of my life
 
@buttifulbuttefly Lemme guess - you bought it yesterday.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Depends. In my case, considering both the provincial and federal levels, taxes eat about a third of my income. As for rent, I pay 900$ a month for a decent appartment.
 
Xeo
3:28 PM
@EtiennedeMartel A third is about right.
 
@ronag No. Does it have to? The docs: boost.org/doc/libs/1_58_0/doc/html/date_time/…sehe 2 mins ago
 
> std::chorine
std::chlorine
 
@Xeo But then I put money in a RRSP so I end up getting a sizeable tax return.
 
Real Returns for Scottish People?
 
@Puppy Registered Retirement Saving Plan.
 
user3790646
3:32 PM
why Lightness is not logging in anymore?
 
@Puppy I hope not:)
 
I am substantially demoneyed due to the years I spent sick
 
@AndreyErick He is currently recovering and will be back soon
 
That said, it sure would be fun if I didn't end up giving half of my taxes to the federal government, especially considering how much Harper doesn't give a shit about Quebec.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You have to give the other half to state/municipal government?
 
3:34 PM
@MartinJames Province, yeah. Well, it's not exactly half, they both have their different brackets.
 
user3790646
What's happened to Lightness!!??
 
I have it much worse
I have to pay 100% to the Tories
 
2 mins ago, by buttiful buttefly
@AndreyErick He is currently recovering and will be back soon
 
@AndreyErick Got blinded?
 
user3790646
@milleniumbug what,?
 
3:36 PM
@AndreyErick By the lightness
 
Lightning
 
@buttifulbuttefly Do you need a lot of knowledge about the finance industry and financial / bank related stuff to work in your field
 
user3790646
:')
 
@AndreyErick He hated the amount of interpunction wasted!!!!11
 
@Puppy You pay the Tories, they give you NHS drugs. I guess that makes them...
 
3:37 PM
@Prismatic No. I had 0 prior knowledge and still don't know much. All that matters is you understand the data flows.
 
DRUG DEALERS
 
user3790646
@Puppy milk drinkers!
 
I can totally imagine David Cameron walking down the street offering people a hit for some money
 
@Puppy Labour etc are in such disarray, he would not know who to put the hits out on.
..ohwait.. drug hits..
 
3:38 PM
hah
 
> Personally, I put space on both sides of the modifier, because I regard it as a separate "word" to the other tokens.
ew
Mike I am disappoint
 
C style declarators can goto hell
 
Can you downvote for shitty stylistic tastes
 
nah
but you can ew at him
 
> Or, if you work in a feudal environment
lol
 
user3790646
3:42 PM
@Mairon Wow... Your question...
 
@AndreyErick You can't notify random people like that
 
user3790646
Oh okay lol but, back to his question, who the hell types operator << (parameters) and not just << ?
 
@AndreyErick The ones who write operator<< overloads.
 
uhh, there's only definition in that question?
 
Read a C++ book, you'll know.
 
3:44 PM
not like he's doing o.operator<<(...);
 
user3790646
@milleniumbug isn't it cleaner to just use a method instead?
 
@AndreyErick What
 
user3790646
wait, it's also a method I know
 
read a book
 
@AndreyErick If you can do std::string s = "Hello world"; std::cout << s;, it's because someone wrote std::ostream& operator<<(std::ostream& os, const std::string& what); implementation
 
user3790646
3:46 PM
I know this
 
user3790646
but why overload the operator instead of just using a method?
 
oh my god
read a book
 
@AndreyErick Because you didn't write std::ostream.
Read a book
 
Ell
I have fishy breath
 
something smells fishy here
 
user3790646
3:47 PM
Still don't get it, I'm not with my book right now, it's in home, I'll search on it when I get back to home ;) thanks
 
user3790646
oh wait, now I get it xD
 
user3790646
was thinking he was calling the operator by hand, not just defining it
 
it'sa you, noobio
 
user3790646
:(
 
@AndreyErick "uhh, there's only definition in that question?"
 
user3790646
3:59 PM
Sorry I was actually ignoring you lol
 
@Puppy I have been summoned!
 
wow so much hate on iostreams
 
because they're shit.
 
I find them pretty flexible.
 
writing your own I/O library from scratch is way more flexible
 
user3010322
4:05 PM
Eh.
 
user3010322
iostreams are not bad for just doing byte stuff.
 
user3010322
It's formatting that's the kicker.
 
I like .NET's Streams.
 
user3010322
@EtiennedeMartel I tried to emulate them in C++ when I first got to C++.
 
user3010322
It actually is working, but... it still feels kinda bleh.
 
user3010322
4:06 PM
I feel like in C++ there can be something better.
 
I'm still not convinced that synchronous I/O needs to be anything other than Range<byte> and some range algorithms
 
.NET's Stream is actually closer to streambuf.
 
user3010322
Yeah, but who in C++ works at the streambuf level?
 
Ven
hi lounge
 
user3790646
@Ven Hello
 
user3010322
4:08 PM
@Puppy I dunno, even synchronous network programming might require more than just some range algorithms.
 
@Puppy it's only awkward when you need to read heterogeneous data from it, but otherwise yeah, it's probably the best way.
 
user3010322
Because there's so many points of potential failure.
 
user3010322
I can't think of a generic Range interface that maps well to all of that stuff...
 
Just throw?
 
pretty much that.
just throw.
 
user3010322
4:09 PM
Well, then that solves the problem.
 
yep.
 
I use filtering streambufs quite often.
 
I just wrap everything in try/catch.
Just kidding.
I let the application crash.
#JustToolThings
 
user3790646
going back to home, bye guys
 
user3010322
auto begin = stream.begin();
auto end = stream.end(); // Writing these are gonna be hard
 
4:12 PM
Hm?
 
user3010322
It'll be a LOT easier once Niebler's ranges get through.
 
user3010322
Because end can be a different type from begin
 
user3010322
Which oh my GOD is that going to make things SO much easier.
 
user3010322
But until then gotta have optionals and bools and a crapload of "I've reached the end" flags for those stream iterators.
 
user3010322
Also stream iterators for Network streams make my head hurt.
 
user3010322
4:16 PM
Since they're usually forward-only streams, but...
 
@ThePhD After reading Niebler's blog posts I write all my custom algorithms with separate begin and end types. Haven't needed to use it yet, (except maybe once when I used a filter_iterator) but the flexibility is there for me now.
 
user3010322
auto begin = networkstream.begin();
auto end = networkstream.end();
 
user3010322
auto saved = begin;
byte b = *begin++;
if (saved == begin) { ... }
 
user3010322
These kind of things make my head spin.
 
user3010322
Do you back the network stream with a buffer? How do you know when to perform a read?
 
4:17 PM
@ThePhD lol
 
user3010322
How do you compare two iterators on a network stream?
 
user3010322
The whole thing makes me want to cry.
 
user3010322
I can't think of how it would actually be done.
 
Xeo
set aside an "end" value. Initialise the end iterator to that value. When a non-end iterator reaches the end, set it to that value. and then just compare the values in operator== vOv
 
Ell
@ThePhD we already have this, no>?
 
4:20 PM
@ThePhD When an additional value is requested obviously.
 
Ell
stream_iterator<>()
 
Xeo
@ThePhD istream iterators perform the read in operator++ and cache the value
 
user3010322
@Puppy Okay, so you perform a read on dereference. What would it++ do, then?
 
move in the buffer
 
Ell
you perform read on it++ don't you?
 
user3010322
4:21 PM
@Xeo So that means you need to also keep the end value in the iterator so you don't accidentally go over the end?
 
user3010322
This is reminding me of my encoding_iterators, where I have to store both begin and end just to have a single iterator...
 
Xeo
think about it like storing an optional. The end iterator has the empty optional, non-end iterators cache on construction and subsequent operator++ invocations
when the non-end iterator reaches the end, it just clears the cache, so both compare equal
 
@ThePhD The exact problem Niebler ranges prevent
 
user3010322
u.u
 
user3010322
Do I just not think about this problem until Niebler ranges become standard, then?
 
Xeo
4:24 PM
@ThePhD oh, yeah, if you transform another iterator range, you're SOL
 
@ThePhD basically
 
user3010322
Blurgh.
 
Ell
@ThePhD why not just use them before they become standard?
 
user3010322
I don't think Niebler's library compiles in VS 2015.
 
user3010322
I'll have to check again sometime to see if the RC can handle it.
 
4:32 PM
Mmmm
 
not at all
 
ok :c
 
Ell
@Jefffrey I like it
@milleniumbug doesn't it need to be stable_partition?
I feel like it does
but prolly not
 
hmm
my machine has spontaneously decided that I don't deserve to be able to connect to shit
outgoing HTTP connections seems to be OK but can't play game or agar.io
 
4:43 PM
your machine is probably right
you should reflect on your actions
 
shush you ;p
now I can connect but the connection keeps closing and reopening every second
probably more network failures at my ISP like all weekend
wankers
 
@Ell Sure, if you want stable, get stable.
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
unstable sort
 
Ell
Agar.Io is broken
 
4:57 PM
how broken?
 
@milleniumbug I don't like their example of quicksort.
 template <class ForwardIt>
 void quicksort(ForwardIt first, ForwardIt last)
 {
    if(first == last) return;
    auto pivot = *std::next(first, std::distance(first,last)/2);
    ForwardIt middle1 = std::partition(first, last,
                         [pivot](const auto& em){ return em < pivot; });
    ForwardIt middle2 = std::partition(middle1, last,
                         [pivot](const auto& em){ return !(pivot < em); });
    quicksort(first, middle1);
    quicksort(middle2, last);
 }
 
Ell
It wouldn't connect for me
 
looks terrible
 
that would be sad news
 
Why would you need to call partition twice?
 
Ell
4:59 PM
@Jefffrey one for each side of the pivot
 
You just need one, with (<= pivot) as predicate, and then find middle2 via middle1 + 1.
Oh yeah, I'm assuming contiguous memory, and they are not. That's why.
 

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