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12:00 PM
how is hatred beautiful?
 
@ScarletAmaranth it's not in the blind, animalistic hatred
it's in the true hatred from the corners of your soul
 
@ScarletAmaranth Well, if you're interviewing for a parking enforcement officer position..
 
there is no beauty in it vOv
@MartinJames hahaha - funny you should said that; I paid 60eur yesterday for bad parking :-\
 
do you hate bad code?
 
with passion
 
12:02 PM
see. Does it drive you towards good code?
 
hola senoras
 
sure, but I might not call it "hatred"; more of a... it causes mild discomfort :P
 
maybe I'm just more passionate about software
 
@ScarletAmaranth How much do you have to pay to get good parking?
 
@ScarletAmaranth lol, I guess a €60 fine also caused a 'mild discomfort'.
 
12:04 PM
> I'll prefer to get some help of the Boost Serialization maintainers to do that in a reliable way. So, it seems I'll be submitting two tickets today.
 
@LucDanton depends
 
60 eur is like a lot of older games or one new game
 
Sigh. I could be boost support.
 
whoa
 
@MartinJames yeah... the parking lot was full, I had 1 wheel on (rather shoddy) grass
 
12:06 PM
@ScarletAmaranth It was shoddy because drivers keep dropping vehicle wheels on it? :)
 
welp, time to start publishing patches to our core engine thing
I guess now that they already fired me they can't be angry that I'm using my time on that instead of my proper tasks
 
@MartinJames could be :P
 
does anyone of you know some python?
 
@Scarlet hatred can be really beautiful, I think.
 
@MarcoA. It's quite likely, yes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think hatred itself cannot; but you can convert it to something like passion
 
user3010322
Anything can be beautiful since it its definition can lie in the hands of the beholder, no?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why is that no titled 'No Kids'?
 
@LucDanton lol!
 
Ell
Man I ran out of pickled jalapeños
 
12:09 PM
@MartinJames err... actually I didn't ask "is it possible that someone here knows some python?"
 
@ScarletAmaranth I think it's the other way around. Hatred can be a consequence of the passion.
It's the passion that you find beautiful. And the "hatred" is seen as evidence/measure of it.
/cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
@MarcoA. I do, for some value of "some".
 
@Ell NO! You too? They don't have them in the Tesco here any more:( I gotta find another source.
 
@BartekBanachewicz woah, what did I miss?
 
he was fired for being too good for them
 
12:10 PM
@Ell nooooo!!!
 
@ScarletAmaranth "unfit for the project"
 
@MartinJames another... hot source. OOOH
@BartekBanachewicz "We want someone who will just get shit done, not shit on what has been done"
 
@thecoshman It's my own fault for single-sourcing an item. I should know better:)
 
Todays XKCD is for Barket
 
12:12 PM
lol
 
You could be passionately hating the local magpies who stalk you outside the bathroom windows for food
 
They're not stalking for food. They have tiny cams for voyeur porn
 
I should be able to get pickes online.
 
Ell
@MartinJames I'll have to go shopping later!
Oh I found some green ones
Woo
 
@Ell The green ones are great!
 
12:14 PM
damn, only if magpies learn to exchange services for meat & berries
 
Ell
@MartinJames they are, but I prefer the red ones still
 
you could just send your trained magpie to do all spying for you
 
@milleniumbug it's enough for me. I suppose python features a standard library. I found many interviews question asking to code stuff in either C++ or Python (specifically allowing the use of the standard library). My question is: is python's standard library somehow more 'compact' than C++'s one? By just first-sighting at the documentation it doesn't seem so.
 
@Ell ATM, I'm buying whole chillies and chopping them up. I much prefer the jalas in jars, it's quicker to load up the pizza.
 
& it would only cost you half a kilo of bacon or beef mince a day and some occasional fruit & bread/rice
 
12:15 PM
@MarcoA. what does "compact" mean here?
 
Ell
They're great on a burger too
as well as or as a replacement for gherkins
 
@Ell Yeah:)
 
Do you guys ever come across funny words in code or SO questions
 
@MarcoA. It's batteries included. It has containers, general networking, http client, hashes, C FFI, and even turtle graphics.
 
> My mesh object consists respectively of static part, dynamic part and stream part, each of the part is specified by vertex specificator that is created at runtime, just by pushing back attribute objects containing size/type/offset to a member vector.
> specificator
 
12:17 PM
scary ... just heard the music of an ice cream truck & it's 10:17pm
 
user1804599
Hello.
 
So I wouldn't call it "compact", if we're comparing it to C++ stdlib.
 
@Prismatic 'concubine:=concubine+porcupine;'
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl It's either incompetent colleagues or quality code, not both.
 
@BartekBanachewicz this more or less answered my question, even though I probably explained the issue quite poorly
@milleniumbug thanks, I had the same feeling. I wouldn't mind studying some python though.
 
user3790646
12:19 PM
@milleniumbug I did it!! xD
 
@AndreyErick See, that's all it took.
"Know your API" is my second rule while doing programming.
 
oh what
TIL about std::dynamic_pointer_cast
 
user3790646
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind :)
 
@milleniumbug that's a good one
 
12:20 PM
that's the second time I TIL-ed about it
 
@rightfold you have a point, but having lots of enemies at work is bad
 
@Ell my misses does too, but I like them both
 
the end result would be that I get fired because nobody wants to work with me
 
being nice to people doesn't make you any less right
 
the way I try to solve this problem is by educating (if I feel strong enough)
 
12:22 PM
you basically need to tell them to fuck off in a polite manner
 
Be nice is great, but be careful not be a pushover
 
@ScarletAmaranth omg watch out for the mad flagger, he was here yesterday
 
when educating doesn't work I come ranting in the Lounge
then of course it's possible that it doesn't work because my arguments are not strong enough
 
user3790646
@ScarletAmaranth It's simple, "I've two words for you, and the second one is "off"", that's the best way to do it ;)
 
or because I'm not able to put them down in words in an effective way
 
12:23 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It's very convenient. You avoid doing reference counting wrong or writing code using obscure aliasing constructor of shared_ptr.
 
so you also have to consider the possibility that it's a bit of your fault too
 
user1804599
I see how this is awesome.
 
1) be nice 2) be morally correct 3) the most efficient way to get things done. Assume you can only have one of them, which one would you choose
 
@MarcoA. just take away his flagging rights!
 
user3790646
12:24 PM
2 )
 
@ScarletAmaranth lol
 
Am I the only one who is considering compromising between 2 & 3 depends on the situation?
I am a bit the mad scientist/for greater good kind :/
 
@chmod711telkitty Nope - I agree.
 
@chmod711telkitty compromising is often compromised
 
user3790646
12:27 PM
@chmod711telkitty You said "you can only have one of them" -.-
 
bepends how morally incorrect or less efficient
 
is there no 4) shift responsibility onto someone else option
 
you're changing the game though
 
The only winning move is to cheat as hard as you can
 
yay two PRs done
 
12:28 PM
It's difficult to compromise when the consequences for not delivering on Monday are the loss of a £70m contract and 30 developers out of work.
 
it feels good
I actually did something to improve this code
 
@MartinJames and possibly be fired
 
it's not just brainless feature adding
 
I'm starting to warm up to the idea of being out of work
 
user3790646
I hate finish lines
 
12:29 PM
@CatPlusPlus did your unity game make bojillions of dollars yet
 
@MarcoA. As a contractor, I would be in the first group out of the door.
 
Not yet
We still haven't formed a company because I'm currently tied up in other work project
 
glad you're being positive!
 
The three options are kind of completely orthogonal...
 
we need 7 perpendicular lines
 
12:31 PM
7 perpendicular cannons
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just a well most jobs have a time dimension, then:)
 
On jet engines
 
this discussion reminds me of this video
 
So the assumption that you can only have one of them makes it so that the only reasonable answer is "depends on why I can only have one of them".
 
@MarcoA. old but gold
 
12:32 PM
@MarcoA. genius
 
It's either an unrealistic scenario or a pointless masturbatory exercise.
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Those two are the same, I guess.
 
user3790646
masturbatory lol
 
@ScarletAmaranth With transparent ink
 
I am not sure how am I going to endure two full months
 
12:35 PM
The answer is beer
 
or alcohol in general
 
Yes, "masturbatory" meaning self-indulgent.
 
knowing well enough that all of the contributions I make to improve the status quo won't matter to me
because I won't be using this codebase anymore
 
then you should obviously sabotage everything
shift signed values and stuff
 
obviously
 
12:35 PM
sneaky sneaky
 
and what do I get in return
 
@BartekBanachewicz on a long enough timescale this is true of every repo you will ever contribute to
life is meaningless
 
Do your job and stop worrying about statuses quo or otherwise?
 
embrace the nothingness
 
@CatPlusPlus +1
 
12:36 PM
Speaking of morality & efficiency - if the world is plagued with a new super virus which has 50% mortality rate & currently 100 million people are infected with it. The shortest way developing a cure is to test 100 drugs in which one of them can definitely cure it on 1000 people who would dead from the other 99 not working drugs? Would you do it?
 
user3790646
@CatPlusPlus +1
 
@CatPlusPlus this would reduce me to a brainless coding monkey
2
 
That's just embracing the truth about this stupid profession
hth
 
@BartekBanachewicz no it wouldn't; you're being paid for it
 
@chmod711telkitty you solve this with math
 
12:37 PM
@ScarletAmaranth the fact you're being paid to be a code monkey doesn't mean you're not one; quite the opposite
 
like acturial (sp?) scientists do
 
morality isn't about maths
 
@ScarletAmaranth That makes you a professional brainless coding monkey
 
@CatPlusPlus -1
 
Telkitty 1) making good posts 2) making sense, pick none
5
 
12:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz vOv money
 
@AndyProwl Denial!
 
Cat nailed it
 
lol
 
@thecoshman hmpfh
 
@Jefffrey sadly, not a rich one.
 
12:38 PM
My French friends are late, of course.
It's almost like they're Italians or Spaniards.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Irish are bad for it as well
 
Maybe they forgot their white flag
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you in Berlin already?
 
HOHOHO
 
user3790646
12:39 PM
What do you all think about programming languages with indentation requirements?
 
In fact, generally speaking, people seem bad at being where they said they would be at a given time.
 
Heading to a biergarten for... debriefing
 
@AndreyErick I like it. It makes the code clean.
 
@AndreyErick psychotic and infuriating
 
12:39 PM
@AndreyErick It solves one argument, but doesn't.
 
Ell
@AndreyErick I think they are fine
 
nice
 
Ell
leading tabs for indent, leading spaces for alignment
 
@CatPlusPlus thanks for waste that on nothingness
 
I'd love to have a debriefing too
 
12:40 PM
It's a trivial detail.
 
@Ell that's irrelevant to what he asked about, mostly
 
Debeerfing
 
@AndyProwl on what?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yah
 
Debarfing
 
12:40 PM
@thecoshman whatever, as long as there's beer
 
Ell
but it's how I'd prefer it
 
except, well, you pretty much can't work with tabs in haskell IIRC
 
Debeefring
 
@Ell lol if you format code manually
 
@BartekBanachewicz wtf?
 
12:41 PM
@AndreyErick I love them since they keep my code clean and tidy. Up to a point where I can't love them anymore and I suddenly start to hate them as hell
 
Ell
Debefinger
 
I'd prefer not using text to represent source but robot will jump out of the bush with the giant "irrelevant" flag
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus I do vOv
 
@thecoshman they break in numerous ways
 
real talk lounge
 
Ell
12:41 PM
It's easier to write formatted
 
what is your favoritest beer
 
Waste of time
 
Ell
writing code unindented is hard to read
 
@BartekBanachewicz what?
 
Ell
and write
 
12:41 PM
If your editor doesn't indent automatically, it's shit
3
 
@Ell it's not hard to read after you use a formatter
 
@Prismatic won't say. People call it a "woman's beer"
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz Right, I'm saying it's easier to write it formatted
 
TIL my editor is shit
 
Ell
you don't write code without indentation
or newlines, etc.
 
12:42 PM
@MarcoA. is it fruli
are you a fruli fiend, @MarcoA.
 
@thecoshman source doesn't have to be text
 
I sometimes end up being in a wrong column but I don't stop typing to correct that, it corrects itself at semicolon
 
@Prismatic nope, this one
 
to display indentantions you don't need actual ASCII tab or space character at any point
 
German
 
Ell
12:42 PM
I never end up being in a wrong column
 
Really if you commit without an automated tool going over everything and reformatting, you'll have consistency issues
 
@BartekBanachewicz depends who's supposed to edit it... ie, humans, ie use text
 
Esp in a team
 
you can just physically move the font a bit to the right
 
And then it's easier to use spaces for everything because less tools get confused
 
Ell
12:43 PM
@CatPlusPlus Not a problem for me :P
 
Doesn't look that girly
 
Fuck that variable width nonsense
 
@BartekBanachewicz true, a nice editor could auto align shit for you without explicate whitespace.
 
@thecoshman you can have it partially textual
 
12:43 PM
Here we go
 
Ell
I use atom.io
 
@Prismatic my German co-workers used to make fun of me because all of their wives drink it
 
Ell
all I need is for it to continue the current level of indentation
 
real men drink Kindl or Warsteiner
 
@CatPlusPlus ¬_¬ and then everyone has these tools set for different rules and rage ensures
well... it would, but it's so hard to care any more
 
user3790646
12:44 PM
milk drinkers!!
 
Meh. You all sound like you actually press the tab or space key for this shit.
 
user3790646
xD
 
Ell
maybe I ought to set up clang format though
 
@thecoshman Share the config then
 
@Prismatic actually not bad on a warm day.
 
12:44 PM
@thecoshman you're supposed to commit the config
 
Is Heineken popular in germany?
 
not in Berlin and Munich
 
@thecoshman I don't mind it either, but its a tad too sweet imo
 
Also alignment beyond basic indent sucks anyway
 
@MarcoA. I don't drink
 
12:44 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I thought it was, that's where I got my config from... yet still shit is getting changed.
 
I think Heineken is popular everywhere, even in the US
 
@thecoshman Commit hooks bub
 
@thecoshman what?
 
@AlexM. It's also bleh
 
Also better people
 
user3790646
12:45 PM
@AlexM. Heineken is not popular in Brazil
 
@Puppy that is not a problem my friend.. unless you plan on living and working in Germany
 
@Puppy and you're not a real man. Seems apt.
 
@AlexM. Well I thought that it would be something popular in the US because (oooh Germany!) but not in Germany itself
 
@CatPlusPlus dum dum dum
 
@CatPlusPlus lol, you think we'd be given such power? I'm in the runtiest of runtpiles
 
12:45 PM
I am a real man
 
@Puppy prove it
 
@Puppy you're just an integer
 
what, you want pictures?
 
seriously people, if you're office can double up as a small track and field venue, it's not good.
 
@MarcoA. Everything is just an integer
 
12:46 PM
Well, that's something you don't see every day - a cardboard box shaking and rolling round the lawn by itself.

While Anne was sorting out garbage, one of the stupid farm cats jumped up on the box, (presumably to lie down get more sun), and fell through the overlapping lids, which promptly sprung back, trapping the cat inside:)
 
@Puppy and I thought God was real
 
no
 
@MarcoA. i am God
 
everything exists in pi
pi is god
 
@MartinJames lol, cat's a hilariously fucking stupid
 
12:47 PM
> you're office
 
Ell
@Prismatic not everything
 
@Prismatic that's an unproven, oft-repeated meme.
 
@thecoshman It took a while for it to claw up the box enough to escape. It then shot off at high speed. Not seen it since.
 
oh almost forgot: my grandma's cat gave birth to 5 kitties. If anyone's interested just let me know and I'll send you one. If you live in another nation or continent, don't worry: I can send it via airmail (with a price plus) or via naval shipping.
 
@MartinJames He's obviously Solid Snake
 
12:48 PM
No refunds if the cat is delivered dead.
 
It's effectively bullshit as it stands, though it might be true.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh :[ I guess it does sound kind of incredulous.
 
Ell
That pi compression tool is interesting
 
@Ell Also doesn't work
 
My compression tool can compress everything to 1 bit
 
12:49 PM
@Ell what pi compression tool?
 
@MartinJames would you come back to visit a cell in which you are locked up for 2 days without food or water?
 
@Jefffrey your dick :P
 
> ermagherd my compiler does not compile a standard compliant program if I set -Werror, is the compiler allowed to do that????
 
@CatPlusPlus can it uncompress anything though
 
Decompression takes a while tho
 
12:49 PM
@CatPlusPlus I'm buying it if you can compress a random stream by 99%.
 
@thecoshman :)
 
@chmod711telkitty More like 30 seconds.
 
@Jefffrey standard complainant
 
@CatPlusPlus Takes a huge ,lookup table too- O(N)
 
@Puppy finds a digit in pi where your data resides
 
Ell
12:50 PM
^
 
@MartinJames cat days!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah. Been there had that idea too
 
@Ell sounds like it cannot exist (if you mean compressing the digit stream)
 
@chmod711telkitty lol
 
it was funny but somebody pointed out how long you'd have to look through pi to find the bits you need
 
12:50 PM
@BartekBanachewicz oh that old joke
 
There's no guarantee you can find it there.
 
40
A: Can any finite bit string be found in pi within a reasonable amount of time?

MysticialExpanding on my comments. There's a very important concept here that's called information entropy. Out of full disclosure, I'm the current world record holder of the digits of Pi at 10 trillion digits (10^13). I have approximately 10,000 copies of everyone's social security number. However tha...

 
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A: Can any finite bit string be found in pi within a reasonable amount of time?

seheBecause we were all kind of bored in the Lounge I went ahead and implemented a search to find out the average offsets of 'messages' of specific lengths. I downloaded 1 million digits of Pi and looked for all subsequences of fixed length (e.g. 00..99). Depending on the message lenght, you get the...

 
There's no guarantee storing the digit number uses less space than the data itself.
 
Ell
@Puppy but dat compression ratio though
 
12:51 PM
Sorry to break your dream
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think mathematicians can guarantee that the key will on average have equal size
 
51 secs ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
There's no guarantee storing the digit number uses less space than the data itself.
 
Ell
it's fun to imagine though
 
I haven't attempted any mathematical proof, myself, but the data seems to nicely match this
 
Beh, if you want actually interesting compression algos then PAQ is the thing
 
@sehe only under certain unproven (though likely) assumptions.
 
12:53 PM
Oh. Stop knowing all the things :(
Cheers of course :)
 
I remember full GTA San Andreas compressed to 64kB with KGB
 
Everyone's fawning over pi like it's god knows what ugh
 
I've heard about people compressed to 64kB by KGB
2
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
12:54 PM
@BartekBanachewicz KGB was cool. Slow as hell but cool
 
...
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz wat
that's cray cray
 
KGB is based on PAQ
 
Ell
PAQ8HP8 compresses LTCB to 13.34% of original size
 
Of course you can do such compression - I call it magnet links :P
 
12:55 PM
lel
 
lol
 
@milleniumbug I think that shortened URLs are better compressed
 
@Puppy oh my god
Have a Nobel
 
danke
 
Ell
I want to start writing my renderererererrer
 
12:56 PM
@Ell ltcb?
 
@Ell do it in java
 
@Ell You can do it with me. I'll start
www.unity3d.com
 
Ell
@Puppy large text compression benchmark
 
there done
 
@Ell renderror
 
12:56 PM
@Ell what's that
 
Ell
@Puppy that ain't a renderer
 
dont do it
openglsux
 
yeah I forgot the 3d
 
Raindeer?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz nah but really I just want to write my mesh renderer in opengl
I need to decide on features first
 
12:57 PM
1) Draw a triangle given two vertices
 
use a lib
 
It's raining dear.
 
2) Debug why everything crashes
 
bgfx and urho look cool
 
Soddin' UK:((
 
12:57 PM
@Ell Well, you don't really write "in" opengl :)
 
Sodden UK.
 
@MarcoA. lol
 
Use Unity (don't use Unity)
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I know :)
 
Yo the WORST stuff to debug in OpenGL is when nothing shows up
 
12:58 PM
so I suppose you'd need a programming language too
 
Ell
I meant, utilising opengl
I'm using c++
 
The worst stuff to debug in OpenGL is OpenGL
 
3) Realize that point 1) was poorly engineered
 
@Ell why, if I may ask?
 
user3790646
At what age did you all start programming?
 
Ell
12:58 PM
@BartekBanachewicz cos I've already started and I find it enjoyable
 
why not
 
@MartinJames There was a story on the BBC about a town in Britain that exports sunshine.
 
I wonder why people pick this C++ language, I've heard a lot about it
 
Why is everyone so hellbent on doing shit from scratch
 
@CatPlusPlus Actually OpenGL's errors have been pretty handy imo. Driver dependent probably, but I'd way rather have some kinda message than nothing showing up at all
 
Ell
12:58 PM
@CatPlusPlus it's fun
 
@CatPlusPlus that is for me
 
@AndreyErick 6 years old
 
@CatPlusPlus freedom to use what you make however you want
 
@CatPlusPlus in my case "because I'm the ecosystem"
 
Ell
programming isn't a profession for me vOv
 
12:59 PM
you have to be mentally ill to be a programmer
 
user3790646
@Jefffrey oh wow :o
 
and then some
 
@Ell it's criminal activity
 
@BartekBanachewicz or just not really have anything else you can do
 
@Prismatic A.k.a. waste time on irrelevant minutiae
 
12:59 PM
@AndreyErick not really though
 

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