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11:00 AM
@rightfold It would backfire and I don't want to be that unfriendly to colleagues
but of course I've talked to my manager about it
lunch
 
@BartekBanachewicz welcome, Puppy! Nice to see you back :S
 
woof?
 
Hi
@rightfold I'm continuously amazed by the depth and quality of cppreference
 
Wooo REST API entirely in C++ using Mongoose and Jsonpp, that was much easier than expected.
 
me too
 
11:02 AM
@buttifulbuttefly Nice. I did just a client with curl, asio and my own Json contraption. It still wasn't too complicated, but I wouldn't call it "easy". Edm/Odata types are a bitch
 
56 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@buttifulbuttefly YMMV
 
Why does quoting a message where I was pinged pings me again :/
 
@BartekBanachewicz now, why is that... :S
@buttifulbuttefly It didn't. I edited mine
 
@buttifulbuttefly chat is v good
 
@sehe Bartek's message did.
Can't self ping, good.
 
11:04 AM
@sehe never felt the need? I remember using this iostream_iterator thingy I think, but never touched anything from that list.
I don't remember anyway, and when I stopped using boost altogether obviously I didn't have a chance
 
> iostream_iterator thingy
there's no such thing
@buttifulbuttefly You can!
@sehe Like this
It pings
 
lol you can self ping on the same message
 
Yup
 
terrible
 
Why
 
11:07 AM
@sehe can't remember, maybe it was istreambuf_iterator, but I see that's std, so dunno really
 
Hello everybody
 
Thing
 
Whole day has gone but I failed to run a single simple program of opencv in visual studio.
Can anybody help me in this???
 
No, you're on your own.
 
gotit!
 
11:09 AM
@afzalex Did you manage to run any yesterday?
 
alternatively you can schedule a codementor session with me, for a moderate amount of $15/15min
then I might actually sit down to your boring problem and fix it
 
I tried but failed.
I am new to this c++ stuffs
 
@afzalex: Have you tried asking proper question on SO?
 
no sorry!
I asked here firstly.
 
What's your issue
 
11:10 AM
Thought it would be better
 
user3790646
Hello.
 
I downloaded opencv 3
and had visual studio 2012
 
@afzalex 'I am new to this c++ stuffs' - prolly OpenCV is not an ideal first approach to the language.
 
asking here first sounds like a very bad idea, perhaps you'd like to give SO a try?
 
Tried to run my program. watched several tutorials
 
11:11 AM
@afzalex why would it be better to post in a chatroom with 20 people instead of asking on a site with 2 million people?
 
To be very honest I am afraid that I will get bad response from so, may be installing etc is so common. And this kind of question will be of very low quality
 
@BartekBanachewicz Probably because 'failed to run' would generate dozens of downvotes.
 
But thank you.
Now I will go there and try to get some help from there.
 
@afzalex so instead you chose to drop this poor quality, common question in our chatroom
and for some reason expected the response will be better than on the main site
 
@afzalex think of it like this
if you could be downvoted in chat, you'd be downvoted too
so you're uh
what's the expression
 
11:15 AM
@afzalex Unless you improve on your questions, you will be downvoted to hell.
 
in romanian it's "getting drunk with plain water"
 
@AlexM. 'fucked'
 
Why specifically plain water and not mountain water
 
@MartinJames no
gotta google
 
user3790646
I used to be downvoted, but then I took an arrow to the knee (skyrim reference)
 
11:16 AM
@AlexM. 'stuft'?
 
My friend Bartek Whether it is poor or good question. But I am having problem here. And I believe that so is filled with so many experienced peoples. and chatting could help me.
By the way.
I still believe it.
 
@MartinJames it basically means he's deluding himself
 
Thank you every body for helping me.
 
@afzalex on the other hand, main site has two million contributors who are complete, unexperienced idiots, right
 
@BartekBanachewicz I never really got the point of dependent types. Also, I don't know Ceylon.
 
11:17 AM
@fredoverflow both of those statements surprise me
I thought you like ceylon
 
I tried it one afternoon, but then I got terrified of the huge runtime dependency.
 
@afzalex If you had dropped a hint of your problem, other than 'failed to run', you might have gotten a better response, (but I doubt it:). On SO, they will want code, desired and actual behaviour, error-messages, logs and details of what you found during your own debugging.
 
Maybe you were thinking about Kotlin?
 
I thought you used both actually
 
They're probably too similar to get excited about both ;)
 
11:19 AM
:D
 
50 mins ago, by Alex M.
I wonder if I can use boost.spirit to come up with some way for my ai to recognize input patterns and turn them into "executable code" or some intermediary language only it uses
yes I can :D
gonna experiment at home
the lib looks really cool
 
@BartekBanachewicz You must construct additional cylons
 
@AlexM. it's just a parser
 
anything is "just" for you
 
Ell
^yes
 
11:24 AM
@AlexM. I mean, seriously. You take data and turn it into action. The data appears to be strings, so you need to parse it. And hint, you're making your own programming language and an interpreter right now.
 
Ell
Spirit is a parser generator though
Not a parser
 
so what's not "just" to it? You're like a 10th person in this room making his own programming language.
 
Ell
Right?
 
craze popularised by puppy
 
@Ell practical difference in this discussion being nothing
 
11:25 AM
I just want to get a REPL running to communicate with my AI
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz well there is no reason to say "just"
 
@Puppy hardly.
 
I don't want to make a programming language
 
Ell
All it does is belittle peoples efforts
 
15 secs ago, by Alex M.
I just want to get a REPL running to communicate with my AI
what do you think this is then
 
Ell
11:25 AM
You "just" write Haskell
 
@AlexM. ...
 
Ell
Puppy is "just" writing wide
Etc etc.
 
I mean come on.
 
is it really necessary to come up with counters for everything people try to do
 
Ell
@AlexM. Uncalled for bro :P
 
11:26 AM
sorry
 
@AlexM. there's no counter. There's merely an observation that spirit isn't the breaking point here. Making your own lang is.
even if said "programming language" is just a tiny DSL with 10 commands
which isn't turing complete
 
user3790646
 
but why are you doing it
 
Ell
@AndreyErick lol
 
@AlexM. I am not saying your efforts here are meh. I'm saying that Spirit is just a parser/parser gen, which fits your needs in this particular regard, but on its own doesn't revolutionize your idea or actually bring so much more added value.
it's like saying "I am making a game, and this XML library is such a gamechanger for its AI"
 
11:29 AM
I said "this lib looks really cool"
then you came up to bring your divine help telling me that it's somehow not cool
what would've I done without it
 
no, I didn't say that it isn't cool.
I said that its coolness probably won't be as amazing for you as you might think atm
 
you just wanted to say something
 
Ell
This discussion is fruitless anywya
Let's all get strawberries
 
@AlexM. nitpick at another person making a programming language here, I suppose
 
@Ell I agree wholeheartedly and I’ve said as much before.
 
11:31 AM
@AndreyErick last one is kinda great
 
@LucDanton but instead of saying this to me you respond to @Ell, knowing perfectly well that I'll notice and read it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz most of the time it has the adverse effect
May 7 at 14:35, by Bartek Banachewicz
why are you doing this again Alex
May 7 at 14:36, by Bartek Banachewicz
@AlexM. how's your haskell tho :)
around this time you removed whatever interest I had in trying the language further
 
@AlexM. very mature and reasonable
 
see, you're doing it again
 
11:36 AM
if you lost interest in Haskell just because I asked how you're doing with it then I don't know what to say
it was completely unrelated to your C++ work
 
of course, unrelated
 
@AlexM. well, I'm not going to educate you or whatever on the practicality of making your own programming language, even if you still stand behind the point of actually not making one.
if you want to do it, well, do it.
it's your free time
 
you should really perform some introspection and perhaps see that you're not infallible and that you're not always right
 
of course I'm not always right
 
before more bad things happen to you because "others are wrong and I'm right they just don't get it"
 
11:38 AM
lounge drama?
 
@AlexM. what if the statement is actually true though
 
I'm done, I have work to do
 
drama queens
 
whistles
you don't have to listen to my opinions m8
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz Oooh, you got a job? Congratulations!
 
11:39 AM
it's funny that I have no kick against pretty much anyone int he lounge; I just plonk particularly annoying people
 
@ThePhD no, I'm still at my old job :|. 2 more months
 
whistles
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz Wait, wha?
 
guide to Lounge: 1. plonk Colin 2. plonk Cicada 3. profit
 
who's Colin?
 
11:40 AM
Collin? not sure
 
Ell
@ThePhD he gets notice, I presume
@BartekBanachewicz is there a chance they will change their mind?
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz In the U.S. you're required to have a "2 week notice" if you're quitting, though I think you can be fired immediately. Is there a rule in Poland where you get X amount of time before you get officially fired / let go? Does it go until the end of your current contract? Is that by law, or just companies being nice?
 
@ThePhD every democratic country has such rule
you can't be fired "tomorrow"
 
@AlexM. if you don't care for my input I don't get why you unplonked me. You're experimenting and that's perfectly cool, but I don't get why you'd so fired up just because I mentioned that your idea might not be exactly new/original; it could just point you to existing research done before putting your time in say learning spirit despite for your AI system it might not be strictly necessary.
@ThePhD It was in my contract; 2 months. The notice works both ways
@Ell Yes.
 
Ell
@ScarletAmaranth not true, depends on the contract
 
user3010322
11:42 AM
@ScarletAmaranth You can be fired tomorrow in the U.S. if your contract states that serious infractions allow "immediate termination".
 
sure; you can't do it "normally"
 
user3010322
And nearly every corporation when hiring has that clause in their contract.
 
of course, as an owner of a company or some such, you can instill such rules if proper arrangements are made beforehand
 
Ell
At my old job I could have been fired immediately for no reason
And I only decided to give them 1 weeks notice.
That was a zero hours contract :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz because you were not needed
nobody really needs you to explain to them that what they're doing has been done before
 
11:44 AM
@AlexM. I am not sure what you expected when you wrote your exclaimed opinion about spirit then
 
well, if you wanted to come up with something new then it's kinda helpful really
 
user3010322
There's no syntax for static constructors, is there?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ideally, nothing
it's not like it's the first random thought that I drop here
 
@ThePhD only in java ^^
 
@AlexM. ...
 
11:45 AM
do you not find it weird that the rest of the lounge had nothing to say about it but you absolutely had something?
 
user3010322
@ScarletAmaranth RIP. Maybe I can just use SDMI.
 
Ell
@ThePhD static constructors?
 
@AlexM. wow I actually read your random thought and responded to it, there's the original sin
 
user3010322
.... Does NSDMI exist for... not-non-static?
 
yeah I don't get how I could commit such a crime
 
user3010322
11:46 AM
"A member of type <....> cannot have an in-class initializer" Fuck.
 
whatever bartek
 
Ell
@ThePhD I'm confused
I initialise my members in class
 
@ThePhD how do you imagine that would work?
 
you'll understand what's wrong with your attitude on your next lost job
 
Ell
I assume that means outside of the constructor
 
11:46 AM
maybe that will give you a better wake up call than the conflicts you start in a random chatroom
 
@AlexM. yeah, you're just a fucking ass.
 
user3010322
@ScarletAmaranth I just assumed it would just set the variable.
 
user3010322
At some magic-static before-use time.
 
that's what's wrong with my attitude
 
@ThePhD I see ^^
 
Ell
11:47 AM
@ThePhD you can just do int member = 20
 
user3010322
@Ell Yeah, but I have an unordered_map instead. u.u
 
people who take professional opinions as personal attacks
 
Ell
@ThePhD that will work too
 
user3010322
@Ell now make it static const.
 
user3010322
And it doesn't work. :(
 
Ell
11:48 AM
Oh I see
Yeah I think you have to do that in a different source file
 
user3010322
u.u
 
different source file o_O?
 
user3010322
Source files are for babies.
 
user3010322
HEADERS FOR LIFE
 
Ell
@ScarletAmaranth you have to init static data in source files
IIRC
 
11:49 AM
but why "different"?
and why not header?
 
Ell
I can't remember
 
user3010322
If you initialize it in the header file, there's some ODR violations.
 
user3010322
I don't know if inline on the initialization will make it not an ODR violation.
 
user3010322
So you have to move it to a different compiled file (e.g., a source file).
 
Ell
I think with inline is still a ODR violation but you could try
 
user3790646
 
@AndreyErick Ouuuuuuch, this accepted answer.
 
user3010322
So now that I finished my promise for sol I have 3 weeks to get gladell up and running.
 
Yet another case of UB I never suspected of existing.
 
@ThePhD why just 3?
 
May 19 at 12:03, by Cat Plus Plus
Dunno if you can cheatsheet serialization
@CatPlusPlus oops I think I agree. It took me 1.5 hours and 2 answers to analyze the inglorious combination of factors that made this hard:
0
A: boost::serialization: object with private default constructor works in a vector, but not in a map

seheOh. Aha. I just used Boost 1.57.0 to compare the situation with map<string, Foo>. Well, you're in luck. You've found another library version dependency (likely a bug). Not using that, but providing the private default constructor, GCC 4.8.2 compiles it just fine: Live On Coliru [1] GCC 4.9.0 ...

 
user3790646
11:56 AM
@milleniumbug I'm still stuck with WNDCLASSEX and HWND CreateWindow initialization errors .__.
 
@AndreyErick sex is always good
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz Trying to impose deadlines on my project so I don't meander aimlessly.
 
@ThePhD woah
 
user3010322
@Borgleader is currently my boss and he has a calendar alert and I have to give him a presentation in 3 weeks. ;~;
 
@Mr.kbok ^ re. cheat sheet :)
 
11:57 AM
I suppose this is the time when I promote you up (demote you up?) the "people who annoy me in the lounge" list and put alex there
 
user3010322
But...
 
@AndreyErick Check the return values and consult MSDN.
 
user3010322
... But this is the only spot I've known in your life. ;~;
 
@ThePhD how about a spot of "people I hate just a little" :D
 
user3010322
Well, it has some hate in it.
 
user3010322
11:58 AM
And hate is warm.
 
user3010322
I'll take it.
 
Hate is my life
 
@ThePhD there must be a that's what she said joke there
 
Bartek's gonna Bartek
@ScarletAmaranth Gee...
 
user3790646
@milleniumbug Thanks, I'll do that
 
11:59 AM
now you know why I named my lib Hate
it's supposed to be strong. and powerful
and beatiful
 

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