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4:00 AM
@buttifulbuttefly could remove them entirely
I don't see explicit usage (e.g. json::v1::stuff)
 
@LucDanton HTML?
Try "Inspect Element"
 
@MarkGarcia E.g. the Rust playpen won’t let me input those.
 
Oh hm.
It seems GCC 4.8.1 is the pure minimum required.
> As of GCC 4.8.1, G++ implements the change to decltype semantics from N3276.
 
woohoo
looks like it compiles
 
This is a pretty significant change that I didn't know wasn't in 4.7
 
4:03 AM
@LucDanton Well I can. Ctrl + F5? Other browser?
 
@LucDanton Reboot! Or restart your IME server idk
 
@LucDanton no repro [wontfix]
 
@MarkGarcia Only other browser is Opera sadly. Same thing happens.
 
@buttifulbuttefly what'd you change?
 
I should point out that I input & via AltGr. Some AltGr combinations work, some others don’t. Can you try?
 
4:05 AM
noexcept, inline namespace? 'tis it?
 
Hm..
 
However it breaks other parts of my code, wat.
 
of your code? wot
 
Is AltGr+E something special?
 
4:06 AM
I don't have AltGr
 
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@Rapptz yeah i'm not sure why
 
curious, how?
 
Oh, it's this:
#if !defined(WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN)
#define WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN 1
#endif // WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN
 
oic
 
this is depressing
 
4:08 AM
hey that's a good catch
not sure how to solve that issue
I mean windows.h is pretty huge
 
undef after the include maybe? idk
 
oh right
not sure why I didn't think about that
 
What does LEAN_AND_MEAN enable/disable?
 
alright that's issue #12
 
@Rapptz Lemme lemme!!!
 
@VictorLopez uh crypto, networking, dde, shell, something else..
 
@VictorLopez Some "less commonly" used headers of windows
 
Here's a more complete set:
Apr 2 '13 at 7:06, by Mark Garcia
#define WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN

#define NOGDICAPMASKS     // CC_*, LC_*, PC_*, CP_*, TC_*, RC_
#define NOVIRTUALKEYCODES // VK_*
#define NOWINMESSAGES     // WM_*, EM_*, LB_*, CB_*
#define NOWINSTYLES       // WS_*, CS_*, ES_*, LBS_*, SBS_*, CBS_*
#define NOSYSMETRICS      // SM_*
#define NOMENUS           // MF_*
#define NOICONS           // IDI_*
#define NOKEYSTATES       // MK_*
#define NOSYSCOMMANDS     // SC_*
#define NORASTEROPS       // Binary and Tertiary raster ops
#define NOSHOWWINDOW      // SW_*
 
I'll try to port the code to your thing and let's see
 
4:13 AM
according to MSDN
I can include stringapiset.h instead of windows.h for the very tiny subset I'm using
I'm pretty sure I'd look this up
 
Some weeks ago I had some issues with cairo due to a flag called _NO_W32_PSEUDO_MODIFIERS
 
For some reason Microsoft decided that it was a good idea to define IN, OUT and OPTIONAL as empty defines.
 
it's for documenting their shitty parameters
it's evil
 
One parameter more unnecessary than the previous each time.
 
4:18 AM
I just realized, on Steam, MGR has its title entirely in caps. I'm sure that's a deliberate choice, considering the game we're talking about here.
 
Works flawlessly, @Rapptz you rock!
 
neat
 
I just had to #define not ! though.
 
those are keywords damn it
actually you can turn that on without a define with a compiler switch
 
lol @ enabling keywords through a switch
Microsoft Visual Nonsense
 
4:20 AM
Do you think that taking over the world is a sane idea for a C++ developer?
 
Ah it's /Za
 
A few days ago there was a press note about a robot being arrested.
 
Anybody here using US international layout?
 
Enabling /Za breaks winnt.h??? I don't even
fuck this compiler
 
4:24 AM
ikr
I'll remove em
I only use it because it reads better :<
 
No it's OK.
I think so too
I'll just add a define for MSVC
 
6
A: Why does VS not define the alternative tokens for logical operators?

BrianVS is nonconforming. This is old news. To use alternative tokens, include the <ciso646> header. According to the standard, including this header is supposed to have no effect in C++. However, you do need it in VS. So it's safe to just include it always, whenever there is any chance that you migh...

I could do this next time
I think it's dumb as hell but whatever
 
That works too.
 
@Rapptz Still have right Alt right? If you switch to US International it’s an AltGr. Do you have the time?
 
uh sure
 
4:28 AM
22 mins ago, by buttiful buttefly
é
 
You can try AltGr+S e.g. in chat input box, you should get an ß
 
§ for me
~guess my layout~
 
Incidentally inputting ß just broke in chat even though it’s worked before @_@
@buttifulbuttefly my god
really?
 
I don't get that
 
4:30 AM
How can a field in SQL be declared so it can be unique only if certain conditions are met? Is it the CHECK keyword?
 
@Rapptz What about in other places? What does it input?
 
@VictorLopez Constraints, yes.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Oh, good.
 
@Rapptz What's the purpose of those tokens anyways?
It sounds dumber than trigraphs.
 
no way
they're great
fuck you
 
4:31 AM
@buttifulbuttefly Oh um, I thought that was an AZERTY thing but I don’t see it listed, so is it?
 
@LucDanton nothing in the address bar
 
@Rapptz ahahaha
 
I will try somewhere else.
 
@LucDanton US international.
 
It works in Skype.
 
4:32 AM
How many layouts named 'US International' can there be? ._.
 
There's AZERTY and QWERTY versions of it
I'm using QWERTY
 
AltGr + S = §
 
@buttifulbuttefly ߧ
 
Well played
 
4:34 AM
First one unshifted.
 
Well that's AltGr + s
 
imma change layouts now
 
INSTRUCTIONS UNCLEAR
 
this keyboard makes me
UNCOMFORTABLE
 
@Rapptz Layout as expected. Can you head over to the Playpen and try to input those ß in there?
 
4:35 AM
doesn't work
 
There is a brand new one that will make you super fast at typing.
 
Thanks. Will file a bug so that it’s SEP.
 
You sure it's not being caught by the editor?
 
I think it's called "Bee Raider".
 
I think it's a FF bug
because it doesn't work on any input on here
seems weird though
 
4:37 AM
@Rapptz I can input ð with AltGr+D
 
What the code are you talking about?
 
I can't
 
@Rapptz FF 38.0.1, you?
2 mins ago, by Luc Danton
@Rapptz Layout as expected. Can you head over to the Playpen and try to input those ß in there?
 
me too
 
What the shit :(
 
4:38 AM
Or whatever's handy! I'm pretty much pure alcohol and water, so it doesn't really matter!
4
 
@LucDanton So can I
 
time to read these awful comments on /r/programming
> full of ugly hacks involving obscure concepts like expression SFINAE.
poor SFINAE will never catch a break
it's ok expression SFINAE I love you
 
@buttifulbuttefly Good enough, ta.
 
How can we create more SFINAE-Friendly code?
 
Use Rust.
 
4:41 AM
@VictorLopez I have a vim binding to do the -> decltype( … ) dance for me. Only works for a one-liner, return-statement function body though.
 
> Heck, just go find a JSON library for C++, I mean there are a half dozen out there but they are all incomplete, or have somewhat unintuitive quirks or gotchas, or don't build properly on Windows (?!?!).
speak for yourself m8
I can list at least a dozen JSON libraries that have none of these issues
also >unintuitive quirks
way to be objective
 
I'm scared.
 
k
 
Can somebody explain what's the purpose of SFINAE?
Who uses it?
What for?
 
Never heard of it myself.
 
4:45 AM
save me @butt I want to reply
 
@Rapptz /r/programming?
 
@Rapptz Join the cargo cult~
 
lol
 
this poor man tried to criticise rust and he has a dagger
 
4:46 AM
@VictorLopez SFINAE = Safety First is Not Enough
fuck, I left out an a
 
@Mysticial SFINAE = Safety First is N/A Enough.
 
daggered comments: 8
RIP
 
@buttifulbuttefly so easy
 
Isn't there an active Robot in the room?
 
4:50 AM
@LucDanton I don't see any ß though
 
GOOGLE!! Fashion
 
@buttifulbuttefly The budget was spent on sigils &s.
 
I find that hard to read
 
BRING PIZZA
 
ampersands
 
4:51 AM
Don't even know why
 
Also one of the comments made me realize that the type system of Rust is not formalized. lol.
 
&&Search Potato
 
@LucDanton maybe
 
"We want to be a systems language butt fuck proofs rite"
 
"controversiality": 1,
"body": "Don't worry, you'll understand after you spend a week debugging a bug just because someone forgot a `break`.
Controversial.
"controversiality": 1,
"body": "Have you used modern languages? I much prefer the syntax of `Class.StaticMethod()` over `Class::StaticMethod()`. Also, in JB's language, he went as far as replacing `ptr-&gt;stuff` with `ptr.stuff`.",
 
4:54 AM
@LucDanton JS Guys have a bot :(
 
lol I like this one
> "It seems like writing a paper, or even just releasing the source, would be a better way to share information on a programming language, but that wouldn't satisfy Jonathan Blow's love of hearing himself talk, so I'm not holding my breath."
 
@VictorLopez What? How do you connect that to Rust pointers?
 
How don't you?
Bots get rusty.
JavaScript has no pointers.
 
@LucDanton See? It makes much more sense now, thanks @Rapptz
I was reading the starred comments at the right, the one with the rules was really fun.
 
@LucDanton It is depressing actually
 
4:57 AM
@buttifulbuttefly Actual lack of greppability or that someone made the argument for it?
 
Link it to that guy
@LucDanton Both
 
Oh! So you were talking about the Rust language and as I can see the debate is about its pointers?
 
Fuck no. I can actually see the counter argument 'aha, the variable itself is immutable, we mutate the pointee only'. I don’t want to have to explain transitive mutability to the idiot.
 
It's OK I can do that in a constructive fashion
inb4 dagger
 
I've earned a couple daggers myself
 
5:00 AM
And in the end I don’t care that you can grep or not for (im)mutability.
 
It is a significant progress and a desirable quality of any self-respecting language
 
I do ctrl + f const all the time.
45% of my programming time is spent searching for const actually
 
@LucDanton Should that only apply for class data structures?
 
@Rapptz I laughed
 
@Rapptz fry.tar.gz
@VictorLopez What is 'that' referring to?
 
5:02 AM
@LucDanton Mutability. Is not that the value is mutable, it is being assigned.
 
I think you can probably write an even better counter-example if you put the mutating code in a mutating method. I’ll give it a try.
 
@buttifulbuttefly my favourite pokemon
got a lot of them since they're so common though
I miss walter bright's comments on D on /r/programming now
 
I asked him once if he enjoyed the D that much
 
Rust is REALLY uncommon.
 
how'd that downvotes + ban go
 
5:06 AM
How did you guess
 
rust-lang.org Is this lang?
 
yes
 
@VictorLopez It’s very shart.
 
@VictorLopez Yeah, note the blazingly fast.
 
I don’t know how to + in Rust. brb docs
 
5:07 AM
wot
pointer arithmetic you mean?
 
Ah fuck it, I’ll remove the generic parameter. Put it out of habit.
@Rapptz Generic constraint for things you can add together.
 
> reddit is down for emergency maintenance
See, that's what happens for criticizing Rust
 
@buttifulbuttefly Blazingly fast sounds pretty fast to me.
 
Well it's even faster than that
 
@LucDanton Plus it prevents nearly all segfaults. Nearly is a lot of them.
 
5:10 AM
Rust is actually the fastest language out there.
I heard the compiler adds flame stickers to every program.
 
CPUs hate it
 
Are you being serious with this?
 
lmao
 
Oh it’s not that.
 
This lucjson is a godsend
Rapptz wakhbar
 
5:13 AM
tyty
you reminded me of my todo list
 
I actually have no idea why the counter-example compiles :v
 
compiler bug?
 
@LucDanton Counter-example wins.
 
Seems unlikely to me.
 
> let program = "+ + * - /";
I thought you had to write out types with rust
also hi all
 
5:15 AM
are you new to the type inference game
 
@Prismatic It has type-inference. Although it won’t let you infer top-level items, only variables/parameters.
 
top-level as in world-class?
 
auto program = "+ + * - /"; // valid C++
 
No like a top-model. A professional level.
:23446932 No.
 
I just used auto as a point of comparison
not the same thing
 
5:19 AM
Performance tests help out a lot, maybe in 400 years some developers would be developing their spaceships and they will want a fast language for their flying machines using Rust.
 
Spaceships will all be developed in NasaScript
 
@LucDanton Is God alive???
 
@MarkGarcia I’m not sure?
 
guys
steam party time?
 
5:21 AM
Aw, font rendering of "I" got me.
 
'Ivre' means 'drunk' though.
 
who wants to vidya here
 
@LucDanton lol
@Rapptz Donate Steam game pls.
 
gibe gaem
 
nah
steam party = we all look at what games we have in common and see if we can play a multiplayer game
 
5:24 AM
How do I read .NFO.
 
oh awkward
you're shadowbanned
can't see the comment
 
Aw, this account too? XD
 
lol
 
rip
 
5:25 AM
give me a sec
must have happenned yesterday
 
still gone
 
is it IP-wise
 
is it a new account
they might set up automod to automatically remove new accounts
I do that in a couple of subreddits
 
spooky
 
5:28 AM
that's why i prefer 4chan you see
more open and fair to everyone~
 
@buttifulbuttefly You may not want segfaults in space.
 
gimme the comment and I'll post it under my alt
 
There are SO vote rings and now this?
 
oh nvm
my alt has no comments so it'll look weird to make my first comment in 3 years an anti-Rust comment
looks like some pent up frustration or something
 
Why? Do the butte and OP have a history?
cause otherwise a throwaway comment is par for the course
 
5:32 AM
There is another language called Go, who develops those languages?
 
aw
 
post it on the official lucpm reddit account
 
There is a gigantic beaver in the Go language landing page. I'll try those languages the next week I guess.
 
@VictorLopez It’s a gopher.
 
lmao beaver
 
5:36 AM
@Rapptz Well from my perspective it’s a New World weird thing.
 
@VictorLopez Go is an experimental language developed by a class of pre-kinder to teach them basic computer usage.
 
"Pocket gophers are solitary outside of the breeding season, aggressively maintaining territories that vary in size depending on the resources available."

That sounds pretty much of what a beaver does.
 
Or what I do
 
it's a gopher m8
It's a shitty pun
[Go]pher
 
How obnoxious would it be to consistently call it 'the Google Go language' to distinguish it from the other Go language?
 
5:42 AM
> What's wrong with that? Mutices are internally implemented through calls to sleep.
 
"that one language with the Gopher"
google doesn't even try to shill its own language
 
@Rapptz But it subliminally exposes you to the logo. They’ve deviouser than expected!
or superliminally, depending
 
superlimaxically*
 
Beavers > Gophers
IMHO
 
AGREED
 
5:50 AM
It's a matter of taste, I believe, switching one language over another, unless you want to do super fast and complex operations over a highly precise machine.
 
mornign
 
Honestly I can't remember the last time I saw a beaver tho :/
 
no agario today at work
 
> Platform came and went. I still like it, but most of the people that get to use more Haskell than I seem to tend toward just installing GHC and Cabal, even on MS Windows.
@Rapptz I may have given you bad advice
 
?
 
5:53 AM
beaver beaver beaver beaver
 
That's what I did.
GHC + Cabal.
 
Oh? Alright then.
 
It doesn't work.
 
What's the difference between defaulting template parameters with typename SFINAE<...>::type* = 0 and typename = typename SFINAE<...>::type
 
cc @AlexM.
 
5:54 AM
@buttifulbuttefly former is missing typename.
 
@Rapptz Shit’s fucked up eh?
 
I just commented on a question that seemed really dumb but I couldn't be bothered to think the answer through. (Yay SO!) But it made me realise that one could almost make it into a language. (a) Describe problem as pseudocode lines (b) Parser sends it to SO and extracts code and inserts it, modifying to suit the parameters. :-p
 
Meunier, tudor
 
@buttifulbuttefly You wouldn’t be able to use e.g. a class template with non-type parameters as a template template argument where template<typename...> class A is expected.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Grape?
 
5:56 AM
Although there’s something off here. What do you mean by 'template parameters'?
@tudor A generalization of SO sort then.
 
I do typename std::enable_if<..., int>::type = 0 all the time
 
@Rapptz I’m not sure why I blocked out function templates. Too much Requires maybe?
Well no, the opposite.
 

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