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10:00 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes that would be the other way around
 
A Zwicker tone is a short-term auditory illusion which resembles tinnitus (ringing of the ears). It was discovered in 1964 by Eberhard Zwicker at Bell Labs. The Zwicker tone can be described as follows: if sounds with a spectral gap are switched off, a faint tone lasting for several seconds can be heard. Its pitch strength corresponds to the pitch strength of a pure tone of same pitch and sensation level. == References... ==
Oooh, I think this just happened.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have had those phenomenons all my life.
And my ear starts "ringing" (loudly, as if tearing internally) when I play music too loud too long. Surefire ways to reproduce: sing in car, play violin in small enclosed room
The latter is actually a handicap as a musician.
 
Hmm, I think I'll add id3 comments to all these tracks with the frequency they're notched at just in case it shifts and I lose track.
 
solo violin is terrible to hear anyway :P
 
With all this talk of tinnitus I may go and find a good musician's earplug sometime :S
 
10:07 AM
@sehe You sure it's the same?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Disagree. But I do agree it gets better in ensemble (by the way, the same goes for many many instruments, including vocals)
 
Zwicker tone is caused by a spectral gap, not excessive loudness.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No that's a different thing
 
Excessive loudness causes spontaneous tinnitus, which is normal and affects everyone.
And its mechanisms are unknown. Sigh.
 
@sehe dunno, a viola is a reasonable minimum for me. Get smaller and it just gets too "scratchy".
 
10:08 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's not excessive loudness. It's specific stimulation
@BartekBanachewicz Shreeky?
 
Depends on the instrument and who plays it
 
I think it's mostly about the bow
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes as I understand it, humans don't really hear the specific frequencies that well, but we can pick up on the harmonics... you can fool someone into think they are hearing a certain frequency by initially playing that, then sneaking over to a harmonic... or some crap like that
 
But yeah, even good players will have that. Unless they have awesome instrument and ditto tone
 
10:09 AM
plucked instruments don't generate such sharpness.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ?!
@BartekBanachewicz I was thinking hobo, clarinet, singing, trumpet, etc.
 
@sehe trumpet also has a lot of high frequencies
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wait until you get too close to a 12string steel guitar. Or the snare/cymbals of a drumset
 
@sehe Still called spontaneous tinnitus, AFAIK. Though I guess the reason there's no distinction is the fact that the mechanisms are unknown.
 
user1804599
dammit
 
10:11 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Well. The good news is, the "skill" factor works inversely there. The higher notees take a lot more skill. So. Contrast with violin, where the richer tone (so less piercing) takes more skill
 
user1804599
I have multiple concurrent queues and I want to dequeue from any of them and only have the first succeeding dequeue to have an effect. :(
 
I would say that a 'piercing' tone is a high pitch, and pitch is not related to 'richness', richness is down to the amount, and shape, of the harmoics
A tone can sound drastically different depending on it's wave form
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nah. The 'tearing" effect is deffo not tinnitus. It stops when the external stimulation goes away, it distorts sounds perceived (very very badly; making everything sound really out-of-tune and unintelligible. Sort of like a heavy guitar distortion, while adding to that the pitch shift of holding one ear closed). It also feels physically itchy. After removing the sound source the ear will be "excited" for a while, as if spastic (but no audio perception)
 
@sehe Tinnitus refers to any ringing noise in your ears.
 
@thecoshman Good morning. You may want to listen to violins more.
@R.MartinhoFernandes But. It sorta gets characterized by being "independent" of external stimulation, right
 
10:15 AM
@sehe No.
As long as the noise is not external, it counts.
 
Oh
Well then. Somehow I managed to contract that "tinnitus" effect very very early. ~7 y/o at least
 
WTB dynamically-sized container that can store non-movable and non-copyable elements :w
 
And yes, spontaneous tinnitus is often accompanied by some feeling of pressure in the ear or similar.
@sehe If it lasts for something like 5-30 seconds, it's normal.
 
It's always fleeting. But the ear will be over-excited for some time that same day. As in, external stimulation will lead to "overload" quicker
 
"Normal" as in not clinically significant because everyone gets it.
 
10:18 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Of course it does. Because I stop. Unconditionally. It's not an ignorable event. I have had pieces of music that I scheduled at the end of performances, because I know it would trigger it.
It's so intrusive/painful that I couldn't carry on even if I wanted to.
 
Xeo
@Cicada how do you expect that to work
 
user1804599
@Cicada std::unique_ptr<T[]>
 
@Xeo Like a deque except I don't need push_front nor remove elements
 
user1804599
@khajvah What's nice about Memcached?
 
user1804599
10:32 AM
Its author likes Go; better stay away from it.
 
Xeo
@Cicada so, a node-based container?
 
I see no other choice
 
Xeo
std::list :P
 
:<
 
Xeo
or just use std::deque
 
10:33 AM
deque needs element to be movable or copyable, no?
 
Xeo
Hm. Shouldn't, technically.
 
user1804599
Use a vector of pointers!
 
Xeo
maybe the standard does require it, though
dunno
 
Dang, monitor was flickering on start up for a couple of days and right now it’s just flickered and then went very dark. rip I guess
 
Xeo
there's no technical reason for it, IIRC
 
10:34 AM
@rightfold dont care
 
guys i have a doubt...although its specifically not a doubt just a mere thought
4
 
LRiO's your girl
be sure to make it clear that you have a doubt and you're good to go
 
Ven
o/, lounge
 
@Xeo I have a doubt, but I'll check. Thanks :)
 
@Tejendra Come back when you've stopped abusing the word "doubt". Cheers & hth!
 
@LightningRacisinObrit cnet.com/uk/news/…
 
i wanted to convert some enum class values to string and vice versa,,,earlier i was giving thought on if else solution, later on i moved to a solution using std::map
 
Ven
@LightningRacisinObrit what does "hth" mean?
 
Xeo
10:39 AM
@Ven "hop to hell"
 
but in case of solution of map, everytime i call the function everytime i had to create map and fill values to map...so i gave a thought on making it static
 
Ven
@Xeo seems pretty cool
lol ocaml breaks eta-expansion.
 
so what would be more efficient solution in this case...creating map on stack or using static
 
Create the map and pass it around.
 
@AlexM. :(
@Ven "Hope that helps"
 
Xeo
10:42 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit liar
 
@Tejendra There are lots of questions about this on Stack Overflow. It's this cool site where you can get arguments, and solutions to your doubts.
@Xeo I've been lied to!! Oh noezs
 
@Lightning Racis in hehehe...i am serious user of stackoverflow..i have done search all around...care to give links..lol
 
Lightness Races in Hehehe
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Ven
@Xeo I shouldn't listen to @xeo then
 
user1804599
@Ven it means hope that helps hth
 
Xeo
10:45 AM
2 mins ago, by Xeo
@LightningRacisinObrit liar
 
@Xeo Crap I missed an opportunity. Should've replied "no, I'd like a solution in C++".
 
How do I create windows service entry?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Average pitch is 5970Hz, but stddev is 3145Hz.
 
@khajvah check MSDN
 
Xeo
@LightningRacisinObrit Your present is on its way.
 
10:53 AM
@Xeo Insert previous statement regarding conditional thanks =)
@Tejendra No - search better! They're not hard to find.
 
Xeo
I'm sure you will enjoy it
 
@sehe I'd rather not to be fair, Cellos maybe
It always amazes me how much shit people seem to be willing to put up with sometimes...
like this internal site that doesn't keep you logged in for some reason
 
Is Nonius C++03-compatible?
No. darn
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I have a branch exploring that possibility.
With Boost.Chrono it shouldn't be too difficult. Specifying benchmarks will be a bit weird because you don't have lambdas, but it should be feasible.
 
11:07 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes RIP my left ear
 
@Jefffrey 256-203 = -53. 123 + (-53) = 70.
or something like that
 
wat
 
@Jefffrey might need sign adjustments somewhere
 
11:10 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I think that's a +
does it overflow or sth?
 
std::int8_t(203) is negative
 
I've interpreted it with 123 + 203 = 326 which overflows, so 326 % 256 = 70.
 
Xeo
actually, int8_t(203) already overflows
UB bud
 
But that doesn't make sense, because std::int16_t should not overflow at 256.
 
@BartekBanachewicz right, got it
 
11:11 AM
@Xeo How so?
 
@Jefffrey ...
 
@Jefffrey UB
 
Xeo
it's a signed type, it has -128 to 127 as its range
 
AFAIK 8 bits can represent 203 just fine.
 
Xeo
(or other way around, I'm never quite sure)
 
11:12 AM
Oh fuck me.
It's signed.
 
good job.
 
Thank you guys.
 
> Statisically, this guy committed a double murder.
"[Statistically]" is a silly word.
 
gcc seems to replace your whole instruction there with mov WORD PTR [rbp-2], 70 even if -O0
 
When I'm benchmarking, what's the best way to ensure my benchmark code actually runs? Leading (void)?
 
11:16 AM
accumulate non-optimizable value in a volatile variable
 
k
Accumulating rather than replacing is important?
I was gonna write a function template that takes the result, initialises a volatile T from it, then returns
If I want to accumulate then my runner is going to need the return type of the expression under test (no auto!)
that's not a problem; just a bit annoying
 
morning
eh well, afternoon
 
woah, yeah, that changes the result by quite a bit. okay
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Yes otherwise all writes but the last may be optimized out :)
 
11:19 AM
I don't think so
 
That's good for you
 
Evening everyone!
 
accumulation doesn't do much for me when my test generates a string
 
user1804599
I ate a coconut today.
 
user1804599
11:20 AM
It tasted like carrot.
 
user1804599
And was structured like carrot.
 
it was probably a carrot
 
@LightningRacisinObrit just add string lengths together, add the first characters (if any) whatever
 
ok. means I gotta specialise the test for each return type if I'm going down this route
also lol I was wondering why my result refused to change as I increased the number of iterations
I'm printing the fucking average, aren't I #derp
 
@rightfold check your carrots inheritance
 
11:22 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit just accumulate random values. Using the smallest pseudorandom gen you can find. with the state marked volatile
 
yeah, that might not work
At least it will keep the compiler from eliminating the bench loop :)
 
Read the input from file before the test, and write output to file after.
 
inbefore allocation/cache invalidation overhead (but it has the nice property that you can checksum verify the result)
 
@Cicada If so, that's a compiler bug.
 
11:34 AM
I see the 'Is their any way to call protected member function' transcript has received an entire galaxy of stars
that request was total
 
I can never remember my project euler password -_-
or most passwords
 
@Nisk Get a password manager
 
if I want a 6 char password, then it's my own shity decision and they should let me roll with it
 
Then you'll be cursing the websites that don't allow you to enter 128 character passwords.
 
@milleniumbug eh I hop between machines too much, which would imply use of cloud services - which is a big no-no
 
11:39 AM
TIL boost doesn't believe beauty is in the eyes of the beholder type_id_with_cvr<T>().pretty_name()
 
@Nisk I have a password manager on my phone and my home computer.
 
@milleniumbug I'd prefer if they just didn't have password restrictions
You want your password to be just the letter 'a'? Go for it buddy! But at your own risk.
 
@Nisk The only restriction they should have is that you won't be able to enter one of the 500 most common passwords.
Everything else should be fine, even with 2-character passwords.
 
@milleniumbug yeah, a system that detects bruteforces would be way better
 
@Nisk yeah. for selfish reasons I would agree. i'm not sure I think that companies should be so selfish though
@Nisk what
 
11:42 AM
it's just most of the time the passwords keep me out of my account, not hackers
 
@milleniumbug So instead of 123456 they use 123456aaa. And if that’s still too common, add more a's.
 
@LucDanton Fine by me.
 
we got that
 
hackers just find a shity sql injections and dump the password list
 
@milleniumbug Why are you fine with 123456aaa but not 123456?
 
11:43 AM
well if there's a password list (GASP) then no amount of pw restrictions is relevant
 
Fact is passwords are shitty - even the good ones are based on some pattern, knowing that limits the keyspace a lot. Might as well just go pub-auth everywhere if we bother with password managers
 
> even the good ones are based on some pattern
needs citation
 
The funny thing about passwords is that the vast majority of services that use passwords are not even worth breaking into.
 
@LucDanton I would do an "entropy meter" with a frown and a sad kitten if the entropy meter is too low. Sad kitten will convince reasonable people.
 
@Nisk Build a web-of-trust by exchanging keys at infosec conferences. It’s the only way to be sure!
 
11:44 AM
@sehe fuck citation. I wrote my own password crackers.
 
But I won't forbid people from entering such password.
I'll only display a sad kitten.
 
@milleniumbug That’s different than 'N most common'.
 
Yet they have password requirements that are both incredibly complex and completely missing the point at the same time.
 
@milleniumbug haha that'd be great UX :))
 
Yes. The rules are:
- forbid entering Nth common password.
- discourage people from setting a weak password that otherwise doesn't meet the above criterion.
 
11:46 AM
Well it got to the point that most of the time I either re-use "good" passwords (which is THE WORST thing you can do) or just reset password everytime my session expires
 
@milleniumbug Define "weak password".
 
I explained my 6 y/o son what makes a password good. I showed him the mechanism of password attacks (that was fun!) He then picked a password for me to crack. I spent ~40EUR of GPU instances hours on it (even though it had been restriced ("only lowercase alphabeticals") and I had gotten some out-of-band hints as "it contains letters of this name (in order but not necessarily adjacent)" and "it's 14 letters". Good luck cracking that.
(that was a nog-standard ubuntu passwd file attack)
 
3 mins ago, by milleniumbug
@LucDanton I would do an "entropy meter" with a frown and a sad kitten if the entropy meter is too low. Sad kitten will convince reasonable people.
 
@Nisk So?
 
Xeo
@Nisk my passwords are based on no pattern
it's just random
 
11:48 AM
@Xeo So you roll a die multiple times each time you need a password? :D
 
Xeo
I generate it with keepass :P
 
user1804599
> The bool type is a boolean value.
 
@Xeo that's good, for sensitive accounts mine are too, the rest are just annoying
 
user1804599
That doesn't sound very good!
 
Xeo
@Nisk I just have everything in keepass vOv
and I have the database file in my private dropbox folder
 
11:50 AM
@milleniumbug "You have chosen the Nth most common password. Sadly that is already taken. Enter another password, or pick one of the suggestion on the list (N+1th, N+2th, N+3th most common password)"
 
@Xeo Seems pseudorandom at most. :P
 
> private dropbox folder
 
@sehe :D
 
I don't do dropbox. I don't trust it's "private". But I have keepass and take it with me yes
 
@sehe obnoxious much? I was referring to the password-strength indicators you have on websites, for what constitutes a good password - they are rubbish. People will pick something they can remember.
 
11:51 AM
@Xeo Hopefully it's encrypted?
 
You guys are all selfish not sharing ass.
 
@Nisk Why is it obnoxious if I don't use dropbox?
 
Xeo
@Griwes yes, with password and keyfile
 
@Xeo you store your stuff in dropbox? horrified
 
@LucDanton is this a cryptographic assword attack?
 
11:51 AM
@sehe was referring to citation :P
 
Which one?
 
Xeo
@Nisk Yes, I do. And I'm not particularly afraid that anyone will steal my passwords.
 
4 mins ago, by sehe
I explained my 6 y/o son what makes a password good. I showed him the mechanism of password attacks (that was fun!) He then picked a password for me to crack. I spent ~40EUR of GPU instances hours on it (even though it had been restriced ("only lowercase alphabeticals") and I had gotten some out-of-band hints as "it contains letters of this name (in order but not necessarily adjacent)" and "it's 14 letters". Good luck cracking that.
 
@sehe request for citation that is
@Xeo they don't have to steal them, NSA probably has a copy of them already
 
> ~40EUR of GPU instances hours
what does this mean?
 
11:52 AM
clickarrows.gif
 
@AlexM. he rented AWS gpu instances to permute password combinations that would fit
 
@AlexM. 40 heures of hours.
 
how does one convert money to GPUs :O
 
@AlexM. 40 hours of GPU work
 
@AlexM. Many stores can help you with that.
 
11:53 AM
@Nisk The KeePass .kbdx is encrypted.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton hahaha
 
@LucDanton :A
 
@milleniumbug encrypted with....a password? :D
 
Xeo
@Nisk and 20 million transformation rounds, aswell as a keyfile
 
oh the vicious spiral
 
Xeo
11:54 AM
that's enough for the stuff that's in there, for me.
 
@Nisk ...One password instead of O(n) passwords
 
Xeo
if they truly want to get at it, have a go
though they'll prolly be quicker by just abducting me and beating my password out of me
 
@Xeo eh tell me the encryption alrogithm and key-generation method then we'll talk, what you said means nothing
 
@AlexM. You take TDP of your GPU, multiply it by time, and contant your electrical energy provider with kWh rates.
 
Apple famously said all your backed-up data is AES secured....with password derived from a 4-digit pin lol
 
11:55 AM
@Nisk fucking paranoid maniacs everywhere
 
Xeo
@Nisk Quoting from keepass database settings: "AES/Rijndael (256-Bit Key)"
 
@milleniumbug oooh so it was the electricity cost
ok, got it
 
@Nisk and most probably salted with your other data
 
@BartekBanachewicz go back to sleeping under your rock then.
 
guys, how do you post a code block in github comments?
 
Xeo
11:56 AM
meeting timu
 
@Nisk I will once you stop spreading FUD
 
@BartekBanachewicz Snowden showed it's fact not paranoia - so you can't say shit to revoke that.
 
the only thing worse than people who don't know anything about security are paranoid maniacs who think they learned everything about security
 
@BartekBanachewicz FUD? hardly, that's the media business
@BartekBanachewicz something you want to say?
 
@Nisk yeah, I'm telling you to shut up, bartek style.
 
11:58 AM
@BartekBanachewicz so far I just see your opinions with no facts or citations
@BartekBanachewicz oh I care so very much what you say
style lol
 
@Nisk contrary to what you're saying, huh?
@Xeo said he stores encrypted files on his dropbox
 
want me to dig up links to all the nsa collection programs?
if it is citation you want, it's not my inability to provide such, just laziness
 
no, I want you to be reasonable about the stuff you're bashing, like using dropbox to store files encrypted locally
 

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