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2:00 PM
@milleniumbug s/hardware //?
 
Fuck Apple
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Probably placebo effect or just coincidence, but it actually quieted down after an hour or so of therapeutic music. I need to keep a tinnitus diary to see if it's really working.
 
@CatPlusPlus you mentioned the internet development, but I wonder if it would be really possible for something open to be made to work together as well as Apple
 
@BartekBanachewicz Work together with what? With itself?
 
so far I haven't seen such nice integrations between any open components
 
2:00 PM
It already does
 
liek Linux...
 
Working with itself is not an accomplishment.
 
@Griwes well, a mobile phone, a PC, a music player, software in general
 
Working with other components is what is hard.
 
That's why open protocols are important
 
2:01 PM
@Griwes Maybe that's the wrong way then?
 
@Griwes working on pretty much everything however
 
@BartekBanachewicz So... working with itself. As I said, that is not even worth mentioning in this discussion.
 
have you ever thought about that?
@Griwes ah, right.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That stifles competition.
 
it's not worth mentioning that someone has a better alternative
 
2:02 PM
It's like saying that Spotify is super duper because its web player and desktop app "work with themselves".
@BartekBanachewicz wat
 
but they do work.
 
Sure you can control absolutely everything and have no interop problems
 
okey, I'll give you an example.
 
with themselves and with nothing else
 
But then you have interop problems
 
2:02 PM
With. Nothing. External.
 
Funny how that works
 
@Griwes and?
 
FWIW Apple is the worst player in the world when it comes to interop and compatibility. See phone chargers.
 
I mean sure, I get that different stuff should work together
 
So, monopoly.
 
2:03 PM
BUT IT DOESN'T
 
An open standard is a standard that is publicly available and has various rights to use associated with it, and may also have various properties of how it was designed (e.g. open process). There is no single definition and interpretations vary with usage. The terms "open" and "standard" have a wide range of meanings associated with their usage. There are a number of definitions of open standards which emphasize different aspects of openness, including the openness of the resulting specification, the openness of the drafting process, and the ownership of rights in the standard. The term "standard...
 
it doesn't nearly as well as Apple
 
never heard of these Open things...
 
@Bartek some examples of Apple's superiority, please
 
@BartekBanachewicz because people like you don't care.
 
2:03 PM
what is IP/TCP
 
sure, servers, the like, open source components work wonders there
 
@BartekBanachewicz Implementation quality aside, it's why interop protocols are not optional
And by protocol I mean also things like file formats and shit
 
@thecoshman oh I do care. I'd prefer an open alternative. But by chosing an open alternative I ultimately have to agree for subpar quality
 
Old Office formats are a prime example
 
@BartekBanachewicz You buy a single X product and you no longer buy any Y product again because they don't work with your collection of X products.
 
2:04 PM
Apples primary business model is making sure that to get the most most out of X you also have to use Y and Z
@BartekBanachewicz no, you don't.
 
@Griwes SOX is a really ni- pfhahahaha I can't
 
@thecoshman oh, surely you can present me with a better integration using open protocols?
 
iostreams std::setprecision in std::scientific mode is sigfigs, yeah?
 
I mean, we're talking I in particular
 
2:05 PM
I think I know what you'll ask next.
 
@Bartek I pretty much never had problems with interop. The only place where it doesn't work as much as I'd want is the retarded policy of not providing raw memory card access via USB by Android X.Y anymore.
 
Long-term thinking
 
it's not like I'm focusing on my needs w/o purpose here
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ta
@R.MartinhoFernandes not this time :)
for a change, this is what I wanted
 
@Griwes Yeah, fuck Android.
 
2:06 PM
But w/e, everything that I need to sync gets synced via Dropbox, so yeah, whatever.
So... not much of a problem.
 
@Griwes Well okay so have you perhaps thought that others might have different needs
 
@Griwes MTP :<
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes mmm
@R.MartinhoFernandes well?
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
That wasn't for you, sorry.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, it's utter garbage.
 
2:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Your plonks are showing :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes, I can use any open source music file format with more or less ANY musci player, ever. I can do so on more or less any platform. I can use more or less any storage medium, connected over nearly any cable. I can use any amp I want, with any speakers I want. I can power all this shit over a one of relatively few power choices, and would have to travel a fair distance for that to become a problem. I cold go on.
 
@Griwes So. Fucking. Slow.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wut. Did you just plonk me?
 
@BartekBanachewicz LRiO
 
No you plonked LRIO
 
2:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So. Fucking. Featureless. :P
 
ah right
 
@BartekBanachewicz No. Your messages betrayed your plonks.
 
Rob
Yeah I tend to agree with that
 
like that's a secret that I can't take LRiO's BS anymore
not that I'm alone in that I suppose
 
@BartekBanachewicz now that I can agree with!
 
2:08 PM
@Rob And who the hell are you? :P
 
Open standard for ignoring LRIO
 
Hey, remember that time we tried to make a better chat client for SO chat, they went really well didn't it!
 
@CatPlusPlus I'd get behind that
 
@thecoshman We did?
 
@thecoshman so... I really wonder what better alternative you can propose. To AirPlay, say.
 
2:09 PM
Theoretically, I guess.
 
@CatPlusPlus we thought about it at least, but the amazingly open protocol got in the way
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@BartekBanachewicz The point is, we can't. The closed protocol prevents us.
 
I never even considered it
 
For no good reason
 
BTW, out of curiosity, which ones from the Anti-Apple team have used Apple products significantly?
 
2:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
not going to use it as an argument, just curious
say, for personal diary
 
What does significantly mean?
Enough to like them out of despair?
 
I've used SOX and ipaddle enough
 
I use my macbook pro exclusively for watching flash videos
 
@BartekBanachewicz I did, I'm learning "operating systems Mac OS X and iOS" on ETI.
 
2:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes A few months. At least a few hours a week
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have, I fail to see you're point, but I have. I grant you, very nice hardware. and sure, I could see the appeal of not having to think about what option to pick. But fuck that, I WANT CHOICE!
 
@milleniumbug lol I never noticed you're from Poland
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh, not that much
 
sneaky bastard
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Given they never fix any chat bugs it should be possible.
 
user1804599
2:11 PM
The protocol was reverse-engineered and isn't too complicated.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I haven't, for a trivial reason - the same money I'd pay for Apple always gave me much better hardware from other vendors.
 
@milleniumbug that's not "significantly" anyway.
@Griwes I haven't asked for a reason, simple "yes" or "no" would do.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I used MacBooks and whatever you call those desktops several hours a week when in University. Oh yeah, and I admin a server out of a MacMini at work.
 
user1804599
It's authentication that's terrible, probably.
 
@rightfold lol, I wonder how fast they'd fix something as soon as a popular client surfaced
 
2:12 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, I'm messing with you :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, you haven't, and yet I gave it to you.
 
@Griwes s/purpose/reason/
 
@Griwes I haven't read it.
 
Why the heck are you complaining?
@BartekBanachewicz Then maybe do that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, thanks
 
@Griwes I'm not going to.
 
2:13 PM
lol
 
I did most of my development during the first two years of university on Macs.
 
You can't even cross-compile to SOX from other OSes reliably
 
okay, so we have one robot.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Y U NO Bsc. then?
 
no one else have ever used their hardware. scribble scribble
 
2:13 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Are you afraid that me telling you that I consider their products overpriced would destroy some part of your argument or what?
 
And still some part of it later on, depending on who was in the group.
 
I've used enough of it
 
@Griwes no. I'm done with Apple discussion anyway, thanks.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, because it's overpriced as hell.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Long story (8-year long).
 
2:14 PM
But hey, you are going to ignore that
 
@Griwes mm. You can kindly stop plinking me already.
 
and use "you didn't use it" as an argument praising it.
 
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
not going to use it as an argument, just curious
 
Which is going to bring some more hilarity to this room.
 
user1804599
I want in-memory relational databases that work well with structs and pointers and don't use crap like SQL or text queries.
 
2:14 PM
@Griwes you fail at reading pretty much
 
@BartekBanachewicz Did I mention I did not believe that?
 
Apple hardware is not an argument for Apple
 
Maybe I didn't.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is it technically still ongoing?
 
Also fuck em for forbidding to virtualise SOX on anything other than Apple hardware
 
user1804599
2:15 PM
I often want to have sets with multiple indices and joins.
 
@thecoshman Pretty sure not. I haven't paid tuition for years.
 
@Griwes I don't know what else to tell you. I'm done with this discussion, I was curious, I've heard your opinion enough. Can you stop already?
 
@thecoshman Maybe some day I'll do it here in Germany. I heard university is free.
 
ITT Bratek asks a question and doesn't like the answers
 
@thecoshman I guess I just need to make the right bet to get the motivation to do it.
 
2:16 PM
I need to get less fat, I'm running out of pants space
 
@Griwes I'm not sure what made you think that. I liked the answers a lot.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wouldn't bother with it if you don't find it holding you back
@CatPlusPlus pluralises alls theses words
 
@thecoshman I got tired of bragging about not having it.
 
wait... that sounds wrong either way :\
@R.MartinhoFernandes stop bragging then
problem => solution
 
 
2:18 PM
@DavidHaim you can absolutely do delete this, how do you think reference counted objects are implemented? — Mgetz 19 secs ago
 
oh hey look it's the std::vector<bool> stuff you guys mentioned so many times before
 
user1804599
I should look into Boost.MultiIndex.
 
> Though std::vector<bool> conceptually holds
bools, operator[] for std::vector<bool> doesn’t return a reference to an element
of the container (which is what std::vector::operator[] returns for every type
except bool)
in an example where auto fails
 
@thecoshman lmao
 
@AlexM. It doesn't return a reference to an element of the container, because it's not a container. :D
 
2:19 PM
@AlexM. In an example where std::vector<bool> fails
 
> Instead, it returns an object of type std::vector<bool>::reference
(a class nested inside std::vector<bool>).
 
@AlexM. auto fails pretty much everywhere where you have proxies.
 
@AlexM. mm, it's broken
 
@AlexM. It's an example that shows that maybe we need to be able to tell the compiler what to deduce auto to.
 
couldn't they make two versions of vector<bool>?
one like the proper containers, the other like this
 
2:20 PM
@Griwes wouldn't that be amazing
like an auto where you can tell the type
 
There was a proposal for that, I think they called it operator auto or something.
 
@AlexM. Doesn't matter, they already made it the broken way so it has to stay that way
 
@Mgetz rules have this nasty habit of having exceptions. Yes, you technically can delete this, but you have to do it with the utmost care. You have to do it even more carefully than using raw new and delete. "You should never delete this" would perhaps be better. — thecoshman 15 secs ago
 
auto<int> x = 5;
// the same as
int x = 5;
so useful!
 
@Griwes Yes C++ needs even more obscure rules
 
2:21 PM
@AlexM. Retarded C++ committee wanted to use template specialization somewhere, so they made bit_vector into std::vector<bool> specialization.
 
@BartekBanachewicz like an auto where the variable whose type is being deduced tells you what type to deduce to
 
@thecoshman eh.... shrugs
 
@Griwes sounds like duct tape
 
So auto foo = something_returning_a_proxy(); can deduce to the type that is being held by the proxy, not to the type of the proxy itself.
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
If you're implementing refcounting within an object then you're violating SRP
 
2:22 PM
it really really sounds like a broken type system
not saying it is in this particular instance, but it sounds like
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then tell us how to solve the problem of proxies in your perfect type system, then.
 
@Griwes And when you want the proxy then what
 
inb4 monads
 
@CatPlusPlus How often did you need that? ;P
 
25 mins ago, by Griwes
@BartekBanachewicz So you can't acknowledge that a problem exist, if concerns about its existence are raised by someone who doesn't have a ready solution? o.O
 
2:23 PM
(Yes, I do realize I am turning into what Bartek was in the previous discussion.)
Dang, too slow.
 
whistles
 
I'm not saying this is a perfect solution, no.
 
I can at least comfort myself by thinking I'm not as bad at discussion as @Griwes.
 
HASKEEELLL!!!
 
But it actually addresses a problem (while possibly raising another problem, but still).
 
2:24 PM
@Griwes lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol what
 
nothing, move on.
 
@BartekBanachewicz AFAICS you proved he is just as a bad as you, no? :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz You are exactly as bad at this "discussions" thing as I am.
 
 
2:25 PM
@Nisk Learn to link xkcd properly, dammit.
 
@Nisk we've seen it enough already thank you
 
And then don't.
Feeds posts XKCDs here.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's the first step vOv
 
That one isn't even relevant.
 
I could use the hotlink url, but meh
 
2:25 PM
w/e not going to slapfight
 
That's new
 
@Nisk You did use the hotlink url, lol.
 
this book is nice
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it does poo poo Haskell though, and that's always relevant
 
Don't inline Amazon
 
2:26 PM
everything in it is new and makes sense
 
@Bartek Seriously now, though, do you have another solution for the proxy thing?
 
@CatPlusPlus don't worry, I stopped inlining amazon a while ago :P
 
oh grate, now it's got a star on it and everything
 
@Griwes ah he provides a URL under each comic, but I just used img source, thought they might be different
 
@CatPlusPlus fuck the police
 
2:27 PM
@Griwes Get rid of implicit conversions woop woop
 
hum can I set the number of digits in the exponent
 
dude!
 
@Nisk The image url is what is referred to as hotlink.
 
2:27 PM
lol
 
this stuff being UB because of a dangling pointer would've been the last thing on my mind
Widget w;
…
auto highPriority = features(w)[5];
…
processWidget(w, highPriority);
where features returns a vector of bools
 
@CatPlusPlus How does that help? (And no I want to be able to automate some calls rather than having to call a converting function :F)
 
@Griwes yeah, and since he provides the url explicitly, I thought it might be a different one
 
lol naivete
 
Also @Bartek 's answer should've been "immutability".
 
2:29 PM
@Mgetz defenitly not with delete this. — David Haim 6 mins ago
 
@AhmadFatoum-a3f thanks. That night I was drunk and can't think clearly. You are definitely right. — linzuojian 3 mins ago
 
It helps by not introducing hidden types that get cast away by magic
 
admitting drunken SO'ing at random
 
@Griwes I've been doing this shit too long to give you a bait like this
newb.
 
Oh come on, I am asking seriously now.
 
2:30 PM
okey being honest for a while I've no idea
 
huh, no
shit
oh well hope two will do
 
not sure why you'd like to store proxies
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nah bro, Fanta all the way
 
dunno auto p = o.makeProxy();
 
2:31 PM
@Griwes Then do use proxies, but write them safe by default. The C++03 stuff is unsafe because it assumed no-one could hold onto the proxies for long. Now we must do without this assumption.
 
@BartekBanachewicz To return them, to use them twice.
 
To ceremonially burn them
 
also, it's all about "implicit proxies" am I correct?
if it's explicit it's not a problem
 
@BartekBanachewicz I want to store the value. Writing auto foo = some_container[bar]; is perfectly reasonable, and usually means you want the actual value.
 
@Griwes mhm.
 
2:32 PM
I could do stuff like auto foo = some_container[bar].to_value();, but that doesn't seem too nice.
 
why do you need that?
ah the values in the container aren't values?
 
I want to copy the value from the container, whatever its type is.
operator[] can return a proxy.
Well, granted that's not a container in standard C++ sense, but still.
 
@Griwes auto foo = some_container[bar].copy();
 
@BartekBanachewicz Consider auto x = a + b; where + builds expression trees.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, but that is still verbose.
 
2:34 PM
@Griwes mhmhmh. I suppose that's the problem :S
 
operator[] can return a proxy that has its own operator[] overloaded.
 
So many things would be better if people realised that "verbose" doesn't matter
Programmers are terrible
 
lol
 
lol
 
@CatPlusPlus I should probably save this for the next time you whine about any language's syntax.
 
2:36 PM
When did I
I almost never mention syntax
 
Dunno, but I'm pretty sure that at some point you will.
 
I don't care about syntax
 
maybe you should start :P
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
the vacuum cleaning robot set off the mousetraps
 
2:37 PM
Although things like Perl are absolute line garbage and go that "let's make shit faster to type for whatever stupid reason" road
OH NO I HAVE TO TYPE 4 EXTRA CHARACTERS HOW WILL I SURVIVE
 
user1804599
Perl's syntax is great.
 
@CatPlusPlus Does SOX stand for "Shitty OSX" or "Socks"?
 
@Jefffrey Yes
 
mmm; don't you find some code aesthetically pleasing regardless of its semantics?
 
I stopped caring about that long time ago
 
2:39 PM
@ScarletAmaranth I like function calls
 
pythons syntax is retarded, 80 char line limit, GTFO
 
@ScarletAmaranth I still do sometimes.
 
Is pantoona on some kind of depression medication that makes him super enthusiastic about everything or what
 
i break that 80 char limit every day
 
There is no 80 char line limit
 
2:40 PM
it's in the zen or some shit
 
I like char limits
 
You can't possibly be mentally sane and say "X is great" about every X you ever encounter.
 
PEP8 is crap and you can safely ignore it
2
 
never scroll right
 
ITT Cat goes on a rant about pretty much anything
 
2:40 PM
If you need to scroll right on 80 characters then you should buy a monitor larger than 8"
7
 
+
 
@AndyProwl I can easily fit like 160-180 characters without scrolling right.
 
@Griwes I cannot
 
@ScarletAmaranth I like turtles.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes all the way down?
 
2:41 PM
And that's together with other panels open.
 
Turtle trains
 
I like my 100 char lines
 
36 secs ago, by Cat Plus Plus
If you need to scroll right on 80 characters then you should buy a monitor larger than 8"
 
@Jefffrey What rant
I don't think you know what a rant is
 
@Griwes My monitor is larger than that. I still find short lines easier to read
 
2:42 PM
Can you not star every single fucking thing thanks
 
No, seriously, even on a shitty 17" laptop monitors lines limited to 80 characters look like a joke meant to make me unable to work.
 
I'm not starring every single fucking thing thanks
 
I'm able to keep the 80 char limit and write readable code, but I am used to work with 100 char limit
 
> speak or shout at length in an angry, impassioned way
 
@Xeo actually not that scary anymore
 
2:43 PM
80 is like, I barely started
 
And you are throwing shit at literally anything
 
@AndyProwl You must've never written the word "template" in your life.
 
if you let me read code longer than 120 chars I won't be happy
 
There's no rants in here
 
Ranging from PEP8 to Apple to line length can be > 80??? wtf
 
user1804599
2:43 PM
it's fantastic and amazing that everybody has to use JS independent of their preference
 
"At length" is the keyword
Also nobody's angry so I don't know you should be better at English or something
 
"Fuck Apple" was almost an hour ago
 
Ask @thecoshman for help
 
@Griwes I stick to ~50 chars.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl I am able to do that with 8-space indentation.
 
2:44 PM
lol
 
user1804599
It really not hard.
 
@Griwes :P I did, and if the template code I wrote was not readable, it wasn't due to the line length
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why not to 1 char
 
1 char indentation is best indentation
 
I indent to left
2
 
2:45 PM
Cat uses indent-revealing names
 
WTF SO
 
@rightfold ...
 
Long lines are harder to read, I think. When I break things to multiple lines to avoid long lines they tend to be really short because of the breaking rules.
 
Xeo
@AlexM. see
 
2:47 PM
@Griwes two documents side by side?
 
devs making good use of their time still I see
 
Xeo
templates are easy and fun!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I find short lines more readable too
 
@Griwes very good language
 
user1804599
I like 8-space indentation.
 
user1804599
2:47 PM
It's more readable than 4-space indentation in my opinion.
 
Snake Overflow uses 80 char limits and I think the code is quite readable
 
I prefer 4-character tabs, but that's just me.
 
@ShotgunNinja a, b, c, and d?
 
I stick to 4-space too
 
I need to buy chain grease
and naptha
 
2:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You know what I mean
 
and 18mm oct wrench
mmmm
 
@ShotgunNinja That's what she said. I still didn't.
:(
 
and a bolt but forgot to measure it
 
@LightningRacisinObrit want some nano-seconds?
 
and a brush
Handy! Get more scaled screen resolutions in OSX with ALT-clicking "Scaled" radio button label. /ht @mrdoob http://t.co/uztKah2bsD
lol those fucking hidden UIs
so bad
 
user1804599
2:50 PM
I use tabs for indentation only in Go.
 
user1804599
OMG GO <3
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh well. It works for them!
 
tab indent of 4-spaces width, ftw.
 
tomorrow I have to speak for 4 hours and my throat's burning
I need a magician
 
@sehe "simple/advanced mode" is a better choice
 
user1804599
2:51 PM
@AndyProwl What are you going to speak about?
 
user1804599
And to whom?
 
I know a magician
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's a different thing
 
His name is Jack Daniel
 
@AndyProwl Do a firebreathing show instead.
 
2:52 PM
@rightfold It's a workshop on TDD, for colleagues
 
user1804599
Sounds fun!
 
what the fuck is this:
https://projecteuler.net/recovery
 
A web form
 
not even my bank has a fucking recovery key
 
user1804599
2:52 PM
> Beginning with the Industrial Revolution era, a workshop may be a room or building which provides both the area and tools that may be required for the manufacture or repair of manufactured goods. Workshops were the only places of production until the advent of industrialization and the development of larger factories.
 
@rightfold I'm afraid they'll be bored to death
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think I can do that, even on my shitty laptop screen, without limiting to 80 columns... :P
 
a hyperlink
 
@AndyProwl "TDD is a great idea, so long as you don't do it perfectly" the end.
 
so to make it a little bit more interesting I'm going to let them write a game
 
2:52 PM
characters on a screen
bytes
yeah yeah
 
"TDD is a great idea, as long as you don't do it"
 
@CatPlusPlus aboot woot?
 
@SamDeHaan nothing can be done perfectly
well
no that's not true
 
which is good news for people trying TDD
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl Except when you're rightfold.
 
2:53 PM
Me?
 
I can nap perfectly
 
@AndyProwl gargle some cum
 
I like the cross between TDD and BDD
 
I just think TDD is a great idea
 
2:53 PM
@rightfold Good point
 
user1804599
CBT
 
@BartekBanachewicz Total Bloody Disaster
 
user1804599
Cock and Ball Torture
 
not my joke sadly
 
user1804599
best band ever
 
2:54 PM
@thecoshman cum fireworks... TDD... hmmm... guess the former's gonna be more interesting
 
@AndyProwl fear not, know
 
user1804599
Drink milk.
 
user1804599
It's good for your throat.
 
I'm drinking Vincentka
 
user1804599
But may be a bad idea if you're bad at lactose.
 
2:55 PM
@rightfold what if you like farting?
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Then fart, but do so in the presence of merely yourself.
 
Yeah I may add some farting to the show
 
@AndyProwl Sounds like a real class act.
 
The way TDD was introduced to me was basically as a way to do waterfall poorly. "Figure out all of the features you will have to implement, and order them appropriately. Write the test for the first feature. It fails. Now write the feature, pretending that you know nothing about the rest of the features you will have to implement. The test passes! Write the test for the next feature. Major refactor to design a system that works well for existing features and new feature. The test passes! ..."
 
@SamDeHaan that's... so sad
 
2:58 PM
AFAIK (Kare) the most TDD I like to get is think "If I want feature X to work, how can I automate proving I have feature X working" if I can't prove it works, why even start working on it?
 
(IMHO) TDD is a buzzword, and, if you disregard the absurdity of some claims (never write code if you don't have a failing tests) and their religiousness, it's called common sense.
 
I don't think it's absurdity. It's just counter-intuitive in the beginning
 
so if I have no code and consequently no failing tests - I'm done?
 
To me TDD is mostly about ensuring that your design is testable and about not writing more production code than you need, that's all
 
2:59 PM
I like i
 
@Griwes whilst phrased a bit fanatically, it has some sense. You don't right code you don't need, if you need it for a feature, first workout how to prove that feature is working, then you have a failing test case for which you can write code to solve.
 
@Nisk Nope; if you have no code, your tests will fail.
 
If you have no tests they can't fail
 
Unless you have no tests, in which case you're done.
 
what cat said
 
2:59 PM
I use tests to sort the implemented logic out in my head, especially if it's not trivial
 
@CatPlusPlus beating me to my own punchline... jerk
 

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