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5:01 PM
CI/tracker links will break
 
Jenkins is horrible.
 
Should've resolved the licensing shit before moving it to main :derp:
 
The amount of new xmls added each time you add a job quickly reaches absurd amounts.
 
grr xml
 
At work we recently moved from Jenkins to TeamCity.
 
5:02 PM
TeamCity is dead
Also I really don't give a fuck about XML
 
@Griwes I don't really care to be honest, I use a gui to configure that shit, it could store each setting in it's own file for all I care.
 
And although TC still can be slow as hell in the middle of the day, it's waaaaay faster than Jenkins.
@thecoshman Only each additional xml it has to parse makes it slower and slower.
 
(I've used both thanks)
 
thank 1 and thank 2
 
@Griwes ... to start up.
 
5:04 PM
What you don't restart the CI master every 10 minutes??
 
every job actually
and I have it load the configuration over dial up, just to make sure it sounds right each time.
 
NFS over dial-up
over telegraph
 
Even just for the test history and shit like that teamcity wins with about everything around there.
 
sorry, I'm a little forward thinking with my dial up
 
Which part of "TeamCity's out because of licensing" did you not get
 
5:05 PM
Though I will be happy with CI thingies only once I write my own (hey, terminal case of NIH here).
 
I have kept to just good old fashioned 1kbit
 
What, 20 configs and 3 agents are suddenly not enough?
 
user1804599
Nobody uses loungecpp.net so you can pick anything you want.
 
Yes they're not enough, we're already at over 50%
 
Also get open source licence, ???, profit.
 
5:06 PM
And that doesn't include multiplatform builds
 
user1804599
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Which part of "TeamCity's out because of licensing" did you not get
 
The retarded part.
 
user1804599
Go complain at JetBrains then.
 
we already asked for OSS license we don't qualify jesus christ
Also we're at 14 build configs so yeah
 
Then get an evaluation licence and keep getting it every few months. :D
 
5:09 PM
Why am I even talking to you
 
Maybe because you know I am right. :D
 
@CatPlusPlus did they say why not?
 
License's project-bound
 
can't we be a multi-solution project?
lol, look at me saying 'we' :P
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
5:11 PM
We cannot use TeamCity. Period.
 
They had the link they looked they said no I will end all of you
 
user3010322
@Xeo This is what I came up, any suggestions?: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/75483a997e1a8eca /cc @Rapptz
 
Missed my stop again.
All your fault.
Also. Pain.
 
user1804599
Yum, du pain.
 
Did you go to the doctor
 
5:15 PM
Yes.
It was closed.
 
user3010322
Lel.
 
Cheating
Again
 
I have a picture but won't post before I censor the address.
 
user1804599
I wonder if there's a Perl implementation for the JVM.
 
Go again
 
user3010322
5:16 PM
I don't want to name my number class q because it's common, but I don't want to name it fixed_point because that matches exactly with the suffices f for floats, which means Vector3f becomes ambiguous.
 
When it's open
 
user3010322
fixed<>, amybe?
 
Oh
Puppy voted against.
 
user3010322
Or maybe just big Q.
 
5:16 PM
Puppy's a duck.
 
against what?
 
user1804599
against everything that is sane.
 
Not-drugs
 
I see
 
5:17 PM
So, yeah.
 
So... cosh won't probably enter for the next few rounds.
 
There's a new Discourse version
I wonder what they broke
 
Update Nomic's one and wonder no more.
 
> FIX: support Permalink urls with query string
 
Did you see Jeff's tweet about installing every hosted instance by his own hand?
 
user1804599
5:20 PM
Yes.
 
rip everyone
 
@Cat lol they also implement the horriblest URL parsing there.
 
Also lol
 
Not just chat.
 
For something
I don't wanna know
 
user3010322
5:22 PM
... Hnnngh.
 
> FEATURE: Nice Topic, Good Topic and Great Topic badges
Now it's 1.0 software
> FEATURE: inform users if forgot password works or not
lol feature
 
user3010322
I love my Vector2 so mawch.
 
user3010322
I don't want to let it go. ;~;
 
"Sorry, forgot password doesn't work." is a feature?
Or what?
 
5:23 PM
It's a setting at least
 
A what?
Does it work or not?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Normally it shouldn't tell you if the account exists or not
The "feature" is that it now does!
Unless you disable it
 
Ah.
Jeff's not opinionated on that.
 
> FIX: Unknown /posts/id.json should 404
lol
good api
 
Only on how to use tags.
 
5:25 PM
> remove optimizelegibility from h1 chrome buggy
jeff is terrible at commit messages who knew
 
fun... there will be no windows 9
MS is jumping straight to 10
 
[citation needed] [nobody cares anyway]
Also I don't get how their updater works
 
@Mgetz ikr, wtf
live.theverge.com/microsoft-windows-9-event-live-blog <-- some of the stuff looks cool though
 
It's the PHP7 wave
 
> "When you click task view it launches."
wow
 
5:28 PM
Ugh.
 
Oh come on now
 
More dumbasses spreading the myth that == on floats doesn't work.
 
You never introduce bugs?
 
lol they're still calling Metro apps "modern"
 
Fuck 'em.
Fuck them all.
 
5:29 PM
Introducing bugs is a necessary part of programming.
 
user3010322
> Uh oh, we're going into... the command prompt!
 
user3010322
Everyone panic.
 
Otherwise, how are we gonna create future jobs?
 
Windowed Metro seems to be in so I'm on board!
Actually I don't care I don't use any Metro shit
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's just that most people want AlmostEqual within a degree of tolerance, rather than strict equality.
 
Xeo
5:30 PM
> You can now paste in directories into command prompt with ctrl+v. FINALLY.
lol
 
lol people still using built-in console
I never know when == for floats is okay because fuck floats
I ain't a fukken FPU
 
@ThePhD is it?
 
I clicked 'upgrade'
Sure hope it doesn't break!
 
user3010322
Kaboom.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't understand the question. :c
 
5:32 PM
rubby taking forever to process repo index
 
Well, where did you get that idea?
There was a nice article about it a while ago from one of those actually smart gamedev dudes.
 
A who
 
user3010322
A lot of "== on float not working" questions on SO and in other places and almost every article recommending the person, for their purposes, implement AlmostEqual with a tolerance on it.
 
Specimen of an endangered species.
@ThePhD yes and I tend to downvote those.
 
user3010322
(mostly because they'd std::cout and say "BUT THEY LOOK EQUAL")
 
5:34 PM
hahahah oh please tell me that what I'm seeing right here is not what I think it is
 
I'm on the wrong train again.
 
Xeo
you suck
 
This is starting to be a ritual ceremony.
 
user3010322
You should log off your phone. c:
 
Xeo
what about the doctor visit btw?
 
5:35 PM
They store SQL for the badges in the database
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh god
 
laffo
 
They store what
 
You are really updating Nomic?
 
Like literally they query the query
And then execute it to do badges
 
5:36 PM
They store what in the database.
They query what.
 
Are you serious?
 
user3010322
An SQL query.
 
user3010322
They query an SQL Query, then execute that SQL Query.
 
Yo dawg.
No way.
No fucking way.
 
Xeo
who does, anyways?
 
5:37 PM
Discourse.
 
Xeo
lol
 
Cat's nipped.
 
- Badge {:id=>1, :default_name=>"Basic User", :badge_type_id=>3, :query=>"\n SELECT u.id user_id, current_timestamp granted_at FROM users u\n WHERE trust_level >= 1 AND (\n :backfill OR u.id IN (:user_ids)\n )\n", :default_badge_grouping_id=>4, :trigger=>4, :default_allow_title=>false, :system=>true}
 
What's the leading newline for?
Also, this really gives me TDWTF vibes.
 
5:39 PM
ITT Cat code reviews Discourse. It won't end well.
 
I just noticed that because rubby printed it out
It seems alive
 
Right train now.
Now I just need to get out at the right stop.
I really don't want to have to text the ape to tell him I'll be late because lost again :(
 
He probably told you to come an hour earlier than everyone else to compensate
 
user1804599
> # we can do better with dates, but its hard work
 
5:47 PM
So apparently... the next Windows is numbered 10.
Microsoft never was good at numbers, eh?
 
user3010322
9 is for scrubs.
 
user1804599
PHP NT 10
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes He already knows.
 
watching Herb's talk now
Herb: "is STL in the audience now? pls wave". Voice from audience: "meow"
 
user3010322
@Xeo Question. I have a class, whose specializations based on some traits I've pushed into various partially specialized base classes. I'd like to add some statics based on which partially specialized base class, but I'd like the statics to be of the derived type.
 
user3010322
5:52 PM
Thoughts how graceful I can be when doing this?
 
Xeo
dunno, don't wanna think right now
 
user3010322
You okay? :c
 
@ThePhD just push the specializations into the traits, and just have one regular class template use polices extracting the traits
example: std::allocator_traits lets std::vector be a regular class template, with all the specific stuff in allocators passed as parameter to vector, and the allocator_traits extract that
 
user1804599
 
o.o
is that Abscess guy still here
 
6:09 PM
how nice to see your welcoming message
 
> A robot is never late, nor is he early. He arrives exactly when he happens to.
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit This guy banned him.
 
@rightfold ew dude!
NSFL man!
 
user1804599
Pussy.
 
what if I was trying to jack off?
 
user1804599
6:13 PM
Why do you read Lounge<C++> messages while jacking off?
 
> what if
 
@rightfold @Lightness's avatar
 
user1804599
You really have bad taste.
 
I was just guessing
 
I’m having shitty connections to Amazon AWS-related websites :|
 
6:26 PM
does anyone know if there is/was a propsoal for user-defined literal for size_t? e.g. auto x = 1z;
 
worst/best thing ever; being given tracking information for the cargo ship with your goodies. Can't stop looking at tracking site.
 
I know
it's pretty handy
it highlights how especially slow Romania's mailing system is
 
it took less for my package to arrive to Bucharest from Tokyo than it took to arrive from Bucharest to my hometown
and I know cars are slower than planes and all that, but the courier is able to do the trip in ~8 hours
 
Hey flagging idiots click here for your dreams to come true
 
6:29 PM
mail took 48 hours
 
@TemplateRex Rings a bell.
 
@TemplateRex why "z"?
 
Xeo
Frack. The German Fire TV comes with an (as of yet) unrootable firmware pre-installed :<
 
I'd pick sz
 
user1804599
I haven't missed Bartek since he left.
 
6:31 PM
what happened to him?
did he rage-quit?
 
user1804599
He left.
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
why?
 
user1804599
No idea.
 
@AndyProwl printf conformance?, %z
 
6:31 PM
He wants to study or something
 
user1804599
People don't use Haskell enough or something.
 
Hey flagging idiots what I said was 'leave' if you didn't get it
 
who's flagging what?
 
@TemplateRex OK, personally fuck printf, but I see there's a point
 
@CatPlusPlus some peoples kids eh?
 
6:33 PM
@AndyProwl A month off.
 
HTML room just got bombarded with flags
 
& it's going surprisingly well
 
fr: Make flag button autoban whoever presses it
 
@AndyProwl with variadics, printf can be made fully type-safe without overhead
some Andrei talk before he degenerated into micro-optimization guy
@AndyProwl but sz is ok for me too
 
@TemplateRex I still would not care about printf's formatting codes, they're not very meaningful IMO
but I understand your point
 
6:35 PM
printf syntax sucks
 
@AndyProwl in any case, I'd like to write for (auto i = 0z; i < v.size(); ++i) for loops that need indices and cannot be ranged-for
 
yeah
makes sense
 
user1804599
for (auto i : range(v.size())).
 
@AndyProwl but at least I can write my own _z operator"" until it comes
 
@rightfold ranges are doomed I'm afraid
 
6:36 PM
auto i = 0_z; not much worse
 
user1804599
You don't need ranges for range function to work.
 
@TemplateRex right. Worth being a standard operator, though
@rightfold if you wanted to implement that yourself, yes
 
I seem to recall that the proposal I saw used something like 1uz.
 
I assumed we were talking about standard support
 
user1804599
template<typename T>
std::vector<T> range(T n) {
    std::vector<T> result;
    T x = 0;
    std::generate_n(result.begin(), n, [&] { return x++; });
    return result;
}
 
user1804599
6:37 PM
DONE
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes get these for your next game night :P
 
@LucDanton yeah rings a bell, but can't find anything
 
@rightfold and now get it into the standard without putting ranges there as well
 
user1804599
Why get it into the standard?
 
because we were talking about standard support
 
user1804599
6:39 PM
meh standard library
 
at least I assumed that
 
anyway, I found a Q&A with potatoswatter and prodded him to propose it, so he might ;-)
 
"how standard C++ should look like" or something
 
4
Q: Initialize integer literal to std::size_t

Nikos AthanasiouThere are known ways to manipulate the type of an integer literal 0L; // long 3U; // unsigned integer 1LL; // long long What I need is a way to initialize an integer literal to std::size_t. I supposed that doing 2U; // unsigned int would be enough, but I still get a compiler error when c...

 
good idea
 
6:41 PM
@AndyProwl but otherwise, fuck size_t much more than printf
 
yep
int ftw
too bad it has UB on overflow
but then again, wrapping around on overflow isn't what I want most of the time either
 
user1804599
C++ is rekt.
 
I have pringles
yum
 
user1804599
Default overflow behaviour should be exception.
 
agree
 
user1804599
6:42 PM
It's almost always a bug to overflow.
 
well
 
user1804599
And if it isn't, you're writing obscure code and you should be shot. Make the wrapping explicit.
 
not sure I agree about throwing exceptions to signal a bug
I'd throw an exception because it's an error
 
@AndyProwl terminate on bug
 
yes
 
6:43 PM
and now Eric Niebler is hurt by Puppy because of it
 
I'm with Eric on that
Precondition violation on narrow contracts is practically UB
so rather terminate unless you're running a nuclear plant or something
 
@AndyProwl me 2, except he shouldn't take too much offense from "hate", I didn't see it as too strong language
 
user1804599
Which reminds me. Lua has no fucking integers so I have to use userdata in Styx.
 
user1804599
Well I want bigints as default anyway.
 
@TemplateRex neither did I, but I think it's because we're used to Puppy
 
6:45 PM
@AndyProwl so fuck std::bitset which does range-checking and exception throwing on bit access
 
like at()?
 
user1804599
That's good.
 
user1804599
Range checking should be default.
 
user1804599
Unsafe methods should always be marked as such in their names.
 
@AndyProwl yes, op[] behaves like at(), and so do set(n), flip(n) and reset(n)
@rightfold go play with Pascal
 
6:47 PM
@TemplateRex is that mandated by the standard?
I see "Requires: pos shall be valid."
 
@AndyProwl yep
 
Throws: Nothing
20.6.2/49-51
 
"Throws: out_of_range if pos does not correspond to a valid bit position."
N3797
 
> Microsoft just announced the newest version of Windows. It's called Windows 10. Yes, Microsoft has decided to skip a digit in search of the perfect name.
wtf
 
@TemplateRex they changed it
N3936 doesn't have that
 
6:48 PM
oh sorry, op[] doesn't throw, but the other set/reset/flip do
 
oh, I see
 
@AlexM. Well, after a couple weeks there will be 5 bugfixes, and 'Windows 9.5' has bad connotations...
 
and the >>= and <<= also do bounds checking: they will zero out if n >= N
so much for "do as the ints do"
 
@MartinJames what connotation are those?
 
user1804599
Not doing bounds checking is an insanely bad idea and should be illegal by law because it is an instant security vulnerability.
 
6:50 PM
@AlexM. Seven ate Nine
 
@rightfold caller responsibility, not callee
 
@AlexM. BSODs when you breathe on it.
 
user1804599
Definitely callee.
 
user1804599
Ask for forgiveness, not for permission.
 
6:51 PM
that article was an april fools joke
 
@Mgetz I wonder whether it was an April Fool's joke
I can't tell despite the article saying so three times and not being particularly subtle
 
that article was an april fool's joke
 
@rightfold The caller should have the choice
 
the news however, isn't
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's over a year old... and references an archer character "Cheryl Tunt" as the PR person
it's a joke
 
6:53 PM
@Mgetz Oh, is it a joke?
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl Yes, that's why you should have bounds-checking [n] (looks nice) and non-bounds-checking unsafe_at(n) (looks ugly).
 
well was a joke
 
so now it's real?
 
yep
 
@rightfold I think I agree on that
 
6:54 PM
omg so confusing lol!!!
 
there will be no windows 9
 
user1804599
There will be no Windows.
 
if only so we can make the joke: 7 ate 9
 
user1804599
Cat o' nine windows.
 
man I wish dota 2 had hot chicks like LoL has
:\
dota is way too serious about this
 

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