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Ell
7:00 PM
Okay I need to write a (very) draft spec for this
 
7:18 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you damn flaggot.
 
woopsie
read that as the f word
you know, the one referring to gay people in an offensive and inappropriate way
 
Ell
faggit?
 
so what?
 
So I flagged that message too.
Will you forgive me?
 
good job.
 
7:21 PM
Does that mean you are going to forgive me?
 
it does mean that right now I'm out of fucks to give. please come tomorrow.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey what
are you offended by this? o.o
 
Well, no. Habit lead me to flag Abyx's message.
Or is it "Abyx'"?
Also insulting a chick is never good.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what's this janes news? is it popular?
 
@TemplateRex I’ve just noticed that you have accepted an answer to your question. Can you explain your decision to me?
 
7:26 PM
@Jefffrey because of what?
 
feminism?
 
(just for the record I don't see any insult there)
man feminist, huh
 
Internet of wat
 
user3010322
Internet of Things.
 
user3010322
It's an actual marketing phrase.
 
7:28 PM
Thanks.
 
@Jefffrey Abyx's yes
 
Internet of thongs
 
user3010322
The Internet of Things (IoT) refers to the interconnection of uniquely identifiable embedded computing-like devices within the existing Internet infrastructure. Typically, IoT is expected to offer advanced connectivity of devices, systems, and services that goes beyond machine-to-machine communications (M2M) and covers a variety of protocols, domains, and applications. The interconnection of these embedded devices (including smart objects), is expected to usher in automation in nearly all fields, while also enabling advanced applications like a Smart Grid. Things, in the IoT, can refer to a wide...
 
was that an actual reply to my message?
it seems unrelated
 
@ThePhD It's Internet of Thijngs.
 
7:31 PM
@Jefffrey Poeple make mitsakes, you know.
 
user3010322
Aww, too old to be edited.
 
Poll: What's your opinion about a small money prize in the jam (funded by me)?
 
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/// <summary>
/// Json needs the D.
/// A class for accommodating the strange convention in ticketing (production and eco)
/// that returns a 'd' as the toplevel object.
/// **********'s Ticketing website says nothing about why d is there.
/// </summary>
public class JsonD<T>
{
    /// <summary>
    /// Gets or sets the toplevel D object for this JSON D.
    /// </summary>
    public T d { get; set; }
}
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus ^ Check in successful.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Against. I've yet to see my award for the logo thingy /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes.
 
7:32 PM
if robot promised it you'll get it.
 
user3010322
Faith in Robot is never misplaced.
 
Almost forgot about it.
 
thephd's shitty code block bumped my poll up
 
@BartekBanachewicz against.
 
user3010322
I'm so sorry.
 
user3010322
7:33 PM
Oh, wait. No I'm not. :3c
 
@ThePhD of course you're not fucker
 
user3010322
<3
 
Well the opinions are mostly negative
it was just an idea vOv
 
Well, to be honest I don't think prices would make much difference for me and it would be a waste for you, so I'm against.
Go buy a hooker instead.
 
I was thinking about $5 tops really
 
7:34 PM
Go buy a beer then.
 
just buy yourself a beer
 
okay okay
I already bought 6 today
 
drunkard
 
basically my money in USD is from mentoring and I am planning to spend all of it on stupid internet things
 
Listen to The Who: it's never enough.
 
7:35 PM
funding a prize for a game jam is exactly such a thing
 
Ell
I don't think I can do a game jam
over 4 hours
 
Well, if that brings more people then yes. I agree.
 
@Ell I was planning on 3-4 hours
closer to 4, but if more people want a shorter one then it can be 3
 
But if I win, then I'll force you to spend them in cheap tequila.
 
Ell
7:35 PM
sorry. I phrased that incredibly badly
I don't think I can do a game jam in just 4 hours
 
lol
 
Ell
haha
 
Seriously I wrote a game in like 1 hour 25 minutes last time
 
the 5h one went OK but the 24h one was a disaster
 
Btw, 4 hours is nothing, boss.
 
7:36 PM
something to learn from.
 
shorter jams are easier in general @Ell
 
@Puppy Doesn't prove anything.
 
honestly Bartek if you want to pay like five dollars to the winner, that's fine, but just make sure everybody understands how the winner is chosen
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz And more difficult :P
I think I might take part but not compete. If that makes sense. And just run out of time :P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's a pity because they're liars - globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.ru/2014/08/…
 
7:37 PM
the other jams didn't really have a dedicated "winner", so nobody got pissy about not being it.
 
Ell
I don't think people will get pissy about not winning, we are all adults here
 
@Jefffrey Loungers have a goldfish-like attention span
6
It's a known scientific fact
 
@Abyx What is this "globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.ru"? Is it popular?
 
lol
wait
resume
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it doesn't matter. it just have some facts there. popularity is irrelevant.
 
7:39 PM
14 mins ago, by Abyx
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what's this janes news? is it popular?
I think, maybe, I shall avoid being drawn into your obvious trolling.
Cya
 
@Ell no, don't think about it that way
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit uhm... you don't get the point %)
whatever.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz But I won't have enough time :P
 
@Puppy the fun is number one. If money spices things up a bit - sure. If it becomes an issue - fuck it.
@Ell that's just about planning
and since I already revealed the theme (part of it) you can start preparing mentally
also remember to set up the IDE and everything beforehand so you won't waste time on it.
 
I personally won't likely be attending
IEM is this weekend
 
7:44 PM
I gave a short notice so I suppose people might not be able to
as always we'll try to set the window so maximum number of people will compete
 
Ell
It's not on the wiki :O
 
Front page doesn't refresh automatically
Also someone probably failed to categorise properly
someone
 
@CatPlusPlus I added "Category" thing. Do I need this {{ }} thing too?
I saw it on past events, I wasn't sure...
oh wait fuck I was sure I added it
 
Nope
Template's only for the past events
~~<DynamicPageList>~~
Gotta save main page again for this shit to update
So dynamic
Also still doesn't show up jesus christ
There
 
see it isn't my fault :F
 
7:53 PM
No you didn't put any categories
 
@CatPlusPlus neat-o. Thanks.
@CatPlusPlus You gotta admit the UI (and UX) of that thing is fucking retarded tho
 
MW is shit and I want to get rid of it asap
 
could we get Confluence there?
prolly not
 
I can spin up a trial instance
 
how trial is trial?
 
7:54 PM
There's also XWiki which is free
Could try that out
30 days I think
 
well let's leave MW for now
 
Dunno how's the JetBrains OS evaluation going, but we maybe could get OS or community license for Confluence too @R.MartinhoFernandes
Wiki is less OS though
 
we can talk about it when there's more people around
 
Like anyone cares
 
if you keep saying they don't they won't
encourage, not discourage vOv
or maybe that's how it's supposed to work, good&bad cop :P
 
7:59 PM
There's also TWiki and maybe DokuWiki
 
Also I have a design question
while we're at wikis
Lens in MonadState vs modify on pure code
 
Same thing, lenses are more convenient
 
it becomes imperative, though.
 
No it doesn't
 
doesn't having += and friends make you write more code working in sequence naturally?
 
8:02 PM
modify works inside MonadState anyway, and also lenses have nothing imperative about them and don't need to be inside State
 
well I have to end up inside of state anyway
I suppose it's more a question of whether I should write the logic against the state or not
 
You're inside State, you do anyway
 
well yeah but I can limit my interactions with it significantly
now that I've spelled it out I think it should be decided on the very specific basis
like, some code might be better with state and some without
 
If you're bothered by lens state-powered operators then just don't use them
modify and lenses are not mutually exclusive
 
Ell
Man I can't write at all
 
8:04 PM
In fact += et al probably use modify
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm not sure how I feel about them
@CatPlusPlus they do
@Ell what'cha writing?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I'm trying to write down how openid connect auth should work over SASL
 
So I have no idea what's the problem
 
Ell
but I can't write. My mind is messy
 
@CatPlusPlus I have too many options to choose from :)
@Ell see you should write in Haskell
 
Ell
8:06 PM
@BartekBanachewicz This is just the english I'm struggling with :p
 
@Ell I may be older than most of the rest of you put together, but that does not mean I'm an adult!
Of course, the fact that I don't participate in the jams may render that irrelevant.
 
@JerryCoffin you could participate though :)
always welcome
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nah--only people who can actually write code can participate. You need to know that C+ and Al Gore Rhythms and stuff...
 
lies! I don't use C+ in the jams :)
 
Prepare for BAD RATS 3
 
8:10 PM
are we allowing pairs this time?
 
: slightly less hyperactive rats
Now build up that hype
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, but perhaps "Pears" would make a good theme.
 
I think working in pairs is more social in general
My local friend here said he wouldn't want to sit on his own during that anyway
 
@BartekBanachewicz Exactly what's wrong with it.
 
@JerryCoffin :D
 
8:15 PM
Allow programmers to act social and next thing you know they'll be putting together web sites for people to share pictures or send out short messages about every stupid thing from what they had for supper tonight to how they feel about they guy who cut them off on the freeway. Then what would the world come to?
 
hi again kids
 
Ell
Okay balls
 
last pill DONE
 
GDB has a new feature that makes it possible to avoid the dreaded <no available definition of operator*> when too much stuff is inlined. libstdc++ is in the process of adding those so-called xmethods to the Python pretty printers (which I suppose do more than just that now).
Eh, I’ll give it a spin
 
hmm
nice
got a source for xmethods being added to libstdc++?
 
8:32 PM
hmm
what if I have the same lenses for different types
 
Don't
Namespace them or whatever
 
but what if, like in this case both are p much the same: _position :: Point
 
Eh, installing newest GDB seems like a hassle :( I don’t think the patches with the libstdc++ xmethods are in GCC trunk either.
 
@CatPlusPlus I'd like to have data A = A { _position :: Point } and same for B, and then be able to do { print $ a.position.x + b.position.x }
 
wth
When you use the asterisk wildcard character in a searchPattern such as "*.txt", the number of characters in the specified extension affects the search as follows:

If the specified extension is exactly three characters long, the method returns files with extensions that begin with the specified extension. For example, "*.xls" returns both "book.xls" and "book.xlsx".

In all other cases, the method returns files that exactly match the specified extension. For example, "*.ai" returns "file.ai" but not "file.aif".
 
8:37 PM
TIDL
DOS wildcards were teh lame
 
Oh, I didn't realize that was the same
This was just in the documentation for Directory.GetFiles.
But yeah, wow
 
@CatPlusPlus what about makeClassy
 
This is the example of a hated accepted answer
 
8:45 PM
@BartekBanachewicz vOv
I think lens lenses are polymorphic enough to allow that stuff
 
well do I have to write them by hand
I mean I get the idea of creating a type class for a common functionality
but making a separate module for every single data decl just to avoid naming its fields weirdly is meh
@CatPlusPlus relevant :F
oooooh wait
if you name it _datanameFieldname it should use pony magic
 
Ell
@PolymorphicPotato hahah
 
user3010322
Aww fuck
 
user3010322
No variadics
 
user3010322
8:56 PM
so I have to type out the signature one thing at a time
 
user3010322
Fuck that.
 
user3010322
var eventhandle = this.SomeEvent;
if (eventhandle != null)
{
    OnLogin(this, this.user);
}
 
user3010322
Why is this the idiomatic way of calling an event in C#?
 
user3010322
I can't find anything on google, but maybe I'm not using the right search terms
 

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