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8:01 AM
@Mysticial lots of things are possible, but few are practical
 
@BartekBanachewicz :v
 
@PolymorphicPotato github?
 
Imma getting loads DNS fails on SO this morning - just me?
 
@BartekBanachewicz please make sure it happens this weekend. I am getting tattoo worked on so it will be nice to know I am missing your crap.
@MartinJames isup.com
 
@MartinJames hacked ... totally ... hacked
 
Xeo
8:04 AM
fuck... so sleepy
 
@thecoshman You cannot tag files in GitHub.
 
@PolymorphicPotato vOv what do you mean by 'tag'
 
Like tagging on Stack Overflow.
So you can add multiple tags to text files and then filter based on tag.
I can trivially make this tool myself, though.
 
I think google docs might
 
8:22 AM
@Mysticial how did you do that?
(or, I guess, how deterministic did you make it?)
 
@jalf The parallel model was a simple fork-join.
So once you fork, all the threads are going completely separate work in their own designated memory blocks.
When they all finish, the main thread carries on.
 
Lol, IntelliJ says that Set is of type Set.type, which is kinda like decltype(Set) in C++.
How useful.
 
So the progress of each of the threads is not deterministic. But once something joins, it is deterministic. If a single thread dies, it is independent of the other threads.
 
ah ok. I wondered if you meant deterministic as in "each thread executes completely in lockstep, instruction by instruction, which would be... tricky
 
lol, no
 
8:25 AM
yeah, that makes sense
 
@Mysticial but how is that deterministic, you don't know what each thread is doing at any one time.
 
@thecoshman You don't need to know.
They each have a task.
 
You just know that each thread will do it's block of work, and then return, and you take the results of each thread in the order you need, not the order they complete.
 
I don't want to know:)
 
@thecoshman Correct.
 
8:26 AM
@Mysticial I choose to intentionally misread that as saying that @thecoshman specifically doesn't need to know how your code is deterministic :p
"None of your business!" :D
 
@jalf I don't see how else you can mean 'deterministic thread'
@jalf lol, it's silly numbers
 
@thecoshman It's deterministic-ish. Deterministish?
 
The point is, all threads are independent. If something happens to one, it's that's thread's fault and only that thread's fault.
 
@jalf vOv
 
The progress of the other threads is irrelevant.
 
8:27 AM
@Mysticial well, yes...
 
it depends on the granularity you're looking at
 
@Mysticial so you have nicely separated threads, not that your threads (taken collectively) are deterministic.
 
@thecoshman It's more like, the behavior of the program is deterministic even though it is threaded.
 
@jalf well if you are only looking at one thread in isolation, you are not looking at parallel code.
@Mysticial yes, which I wouldn't really call deterministic threads, definitely not like that question back there was after it.
 
@thecoshman I mean, looking at it on the level of synchronization points, rather than individual instructions
 
8:30 AM
@jalf maybe
If you just think things out properly, and work out what can run in isolation, threading code is not that hard.
 
@jalf Correct. It's not too different from Lamport timestamps.
 
the program is in a known and predictable state at every synchronization point
@thecoshman If you think things out properly, most things are easy. The hard part is usually the "thinking things out properly" part :)
 
Many devs think they want determinsticish threads, when they really mean deterministic data processing. Not the same.
 
@jalf not if you think it out properly :P
@MartinJames true. They see potential for parallelism, and then stop thinking
 
Have you tried talking to the local USB driver Shaman? I heard there are some really good ones. I once had a malfunctioning USB drive and the shaman sacrificed a goat and cut a pineapple open and the USB started working straight away! — Benjamin Gruenbaum 1 min ago
 
8:35 AM
'Did you try putting jQuery on it? Its very good and solves all the problems' lol
 
Xeo
undeserved, you hate C++ :P
fuuuck I'm so sleepy
 
@Xeo so what? :F
@Xeo you weren't resolving cabal hell until 2:30am were you
 
jQuery plugins are such horrible bullshit.
2
 
Xeo
8:44 AM
@BartekBanachewicz No, I was playing vidya gamez all night
First MC, then switched to Borderlands 2 around 2am
 
@Xeo I made a wee melon farm last night, scenic one you know. With a little melon looking house to store the produce.
 
I have to update my SO "about" but lazy
 
> If you don't know them, you just might find them interesting
odd logic o_0
 
7 stars on the jam post
 
8:48 AM
be a SHAME if they all got wiped away
 
@thecoshman lol way to hide your inabilities
 
@BartekBanachewicz vOv I don't want to have listen to all that crap
 
besides, I know my programming is rotting away, it's gonna happen when you don't do much programming.
@BartekBanachewicz or make your own room to talk about your own specific subject, like a decent person.
besides, as I already said, I hope you do do it that day, as I'm getting tattooed some more anyway.
 
@thecoshman majority of the loungers take part in the jams.
 
8:53 AM
@BartekBanachewicz not really
just those who don't have to leave to spare them selves
 
seriously what's bothering you so much in that we take a few hours and make a few games
this room is butts mostly anyway
 
because it's not just a few hours, the games are not worth playing bar the amusement of seeing what you did in the time (and even that is only really interesting for those involved), it floods the lounge with that shite all day excluding others from dropping in and having a chat about their own things.
 
Is the guy who was just talking about his melon farm complaining that people are talking about their games? :D
 
Does anybody have an idea why I got a downvote for this answer:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8016780/undefined-reference-to-static-constexpr-char/25324060#25324060

Is there anything wrong in the answer? 0_o
 
@jalf yes, the guy who was responding to someone with something related to what they said is complaining about this room being hijacked for an event that will make it nearly impossible for normal use to be carried out.
@Ignitor FYI, third time is not the charm.
and no, only the person who downvoted you knows.
 
9:02 AM
@thecoshman :)
 
@thecoshman yeah, sorry. I wanted to use that oneboxing thing but I'm doing something wrong 0_o
 
@jalf say, do you scandinavian folks find it odd why some people are called Yak?
@Ignitor it has to be on it's own. And I'm glad you didn't get it to work, else I would have to remove it.
It's needless noise that we don't care for.
 
@thecoshman sure. But I'm wondering if anyone has an idea why he downvoted. Because I don't see anything wrong in my answer.
 
Hm, is it just me or Boost Filesystem pretends there is nothing above the root of a filesystem, i.e., like drives in Windows?
 
@thecoshman I guess so? I've never heard of anyone with that name. What do you mean? Who's called yak, and why would it be especially weird to Scandinavians?
 
9:05 AM
@thecoshman right it's forbidden to talk about something that doesn't interest you here
 
@jalf yalf
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what would there be above the root?
 
@BartekBanachewicz now your getting it
 
@jalf In Windows you have drives.
 
9:06 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes but why use windows? :P
 
I can't seem to find a way to enumerate them.
 
oh, I see what you mean
no idea :)
@thecoshman me doesn't get it
 
Ugh.
> no you can't. consider that if something is not documented, it's not available.

however, you can check for the availability of every directory named "a:\" to "z:\" to list the available ones....
Boost mailing list.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how do you tell it what drive in the first place?
 
So, yeah, pretend they don't exist.
@thecoshman What?
 
9:08 AM
@jalf the name would really be spelt 'Jack', but you guys are scared of the letter 'j'
 
> Boost Filesystem and all Boost libraries are designed to be cross-platform.
 
ooh I see
Nah, we'd pronounce that Jack
 
It's not "cross-platform" if you pretend all platforms are exactly the same as one particular one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I meant, how do you select from 'a:\foo' or 'b:\foo', but it seems to be just crude
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sounds fun.
 
9:09 AM
Since it's an obviously English name
 
@thecoshman You use an absolute path.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes my linguistics library is cross platform, it supports them equally not.
@R.MartinhoFernandes is there no way to know what the pwd is for the program that is executing?
 
@thecoshman That doesn't really help.
Sigh, I'll just use the Windows API.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know, was a separate question.
 
@thecoshman Yes, there is.
This is how you make this cross-platform: docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/io/….
 
9:13 AM
I assume it doesn't support that weird \\?\C:\whatever syntax?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes push that logic into boost then vOv
 
@jalf Oh, it does, but you can't just do `\\?`, can you?
 
no idea :)
maybe?
`\\?\` maybe?
 
Oh, rhetorical.
@jalf hehe, that's what I wrote :P
 
heh
way to confuse the markdown parser
 
9:18 AM
There is a widely-used and obvious counter-example to the idea that all platforms use a single root filesystem. Therefore, the obvious way to make a cross-platform library for working with filesystems is to assume a single root.
 
Sooo.... I just fixed my .gitignore file (after 10 months):
 *~
 doxygen_*.tmp
 tags
+!tags/
 *.pch
 ipch/
 *.gch
...
Turns out there's boost/bimap/tags/ if you don't ignore it :)
 
So, does anyone know what part of the Windows API I should use to enumerate the drives?
 
10
Q: Enumerating all available drive letters in Windows

sharkinI want to enumerate all available drive letters (which aren't already taken) in Windows using VC++. How can I do this?

The real problem is, you can only take the address when the compiler has seen a definition (and no, the declaration with an inline initialization expression does not count as a definition). Scott's new book explains it in full (nice) detail. I think it was in Item 32. — sehe 37 secs ago
 
morning
 
9:33 AM
lots of it
 
> HTC announces the world's first 64-bit Android phone
whoa 64bit android /s
 
don't see what's so whoa about it
 
fixed
tbh I'm not sure what kind of difference the end user will see
 
My phone has 16GB RAM.
 
apparently the iphone 5s was the first and so far only 64bit phone
 
9:40 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Can't attend; IEM.
 
oh lol id made quake live more accessible to newbs before the release on steam and the community went mad
the changes are pretty big though
they're... allowing players to choose the weapons they spawn with
what the hell
 
sounds better for competition than for newbs.
 
I don't remember quake having hard to get weapons like UT had
usually if there's something that's hard to get it's mega health or kamikaze
or QD
so maybe it doesn't ruin the balance that much
 
Ell
3-4h? :S
 
> Players may now hold forward and jump to 'bunny hop', allowing them to slowly gain up to 2x their base movement speed.
:\
you know I kinda exercised a lot to bunny hop properly
 
9:46 AM
it's a good thing that other players won't have to
 
guise
telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
 
actually I shouldn't complain
I'm not even playing QL
at most I play Q3 with some mates from time to time
 
to be entirely fair I never liked Quake (... at all)
 
Ell
I'm gonna change my design.
Hmm
 
> Head Quarters in the Woking
hmm.
 
9:51 AM
Ok. Maybe I try to get access to that book.
To summarize: you say that g++ compiles it although the definition is missing but that's not standard, right?
 
@AlexM. Oh cmon
Mah Quake!!!
In seriousness, never played QL, so... as long as they don't try to patch Q3 with that, I don't care.
 
hmm
I guess that if I'm applying for a job that calls for good communication skills, having detailed docs on my project will probably be an advantage.
 
lol
 
Holy shit this is art
 
@Xarn they forgot Q3 exists so it will probably stay the same
they also forgot to adjust the price
it's still 20eur on Steam
I think I got the whole Quake pack during a winter sale
 
9:58 AM
o_0 Forced BIOS update
no ಠ_ಠ
 
Fuck you!
 
It's a simple rule.
 
@AlexM. IIRC the rest of iD's stuff is also expensive
 
it is
doom 3 bfg is like 30 eur
I got it for $8.7 in a store a few weeks ago
I was hoping the doom 1 and 2 that are included with it come with separate keys
but no, they're special versions of doom that are found in bfg's folder and have censored bits
 
@AlexM. lol, really?
 
10:02 AM
yes
e.g. in wolf3d's levels all pictures of hitler are removed
 
The entire Star Wars IV in ASCII. Oh, boy.
 
the end boss is a cyberdemon instead
 
btw you can use discussion page for feedback I suppose
 
and more stuff like that
 
10:04 AM
@melak47 what did you expect?
oh, L6 o_0
 
@Jefffrey revision history is a great thing innit
 
csharp> throw;
(1,2): error CS0156: A throw statement with no arguments is not allowed outside of a catch clause
:D
 
wonder if C# allows exception vomit
 
anyone good with windows certificates?
 
guess not if you can't rethrow outside catches.
 
10:12 AM
var up = new Exception();
throw up; // C# sure allows exception vomit
 
that is not the technique of exception vomiting.
 
In Python using raise with no active exception still raises.
 
@Ignitor yup
 
oh hey that question was opened by a Romanian
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wooops.
 
yes Alex and we still haven't figured it yet.
 
you say that as if we would care (we don't)
 
yeah
 
@Puppy huh. that's surprising. I'm pretty sure that's not standard specified. There's the stuff about "in flight" somewhere...
 
10:15 AM
I just said it because I found it curious
 
@sehe It's useful for trampolines.
 
not because I'd jump to my compatriot's aid for no reason whatsoever
 
@sehe It is.
 
@Puppy Yeah, I can see all kinds of "useful" for this, but I'm not sure it's portable
 
10:18 AM
It is.
 
It is.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/I'm not/I wasn't/
damn. that looks twisted.
Also, way to choose misleading variable names :)
 
Where can I find all bash special characters so that I'm able to \r delete the line or do so for multiple lines?
I've searched "bash special characters", "delete line from bash output", etc... and couldn't find anything
 
(Maybe troff has similar features)
 
can't you do something like grepping only what's needed from whatever gives you the output?
 
10:20 AM
@sehe The real trick here is to remember that the exception stack is a thread-local global. So effectively, all implementations implemented thread_local for as long as they supported multi-threaded exceptions. It just wasn't exposed properly to the user so they could make better use of it.
 
@Jefffrey If it's just for viewing, ` | less -SR` might do the trick
 
It's for making something like they did here: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
 
@Puppy They didn't because of the messed up initialisation semantics.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Works fine here.
 
@Jefffrey You don't need that then. You need the inverse. Look at script and replay
 
10:22 AM
They basically have 20 lines or so and at every "frame" they remove all the text and start over.
 
@Jefffrey Really?
 
> In C++, if an initializer is present for a thread-local variable, it must be a constant-expression, as defined in 5.19.2 of the ANSI/ISO C++ standard.
not really the same thing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I remember using this to fix a bug in zfs-fuse
 
__declspec(thread)
 
10:22 AM
the exception method has no limitations w.r.t. initialization or user-defined types or constant expressions.
 
@sehe Yes?
 
@Puppy same level of "support" as in MSVC 2013 now, I surmise
 
@Puppy It doesn't have the same initialisation semantics of the standard.
 
i.e., it's far more like C++11's thread_local.
 
They had thread-local storage. They didn't have thread_local.
 
10:23 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, each individual exception is not a thread_local variable, it's effectively pushed onto a thread_local stack.
 
@Jefffrey I'd expect them to leverage full ANSI (<Esc>[2J or sumtin' to clear and cursor positioning commands)
 
Something like \r goes back to the start of the line, \033[K cleans the current line.
 
set -o vi
LOL. Why doesn't SE chat have vi mode.
That happened completely automatically :)
 
Ok, ANSI, I'll take a look thanks.
 
Yay, I found a jungle temple.
 
10:27 AM
@sehe It's used as a response to remove fake certificates. I wouldn't think it's unethical. A less experienced user might panic and will choose not to delete it. He might be a victim of man-in-the-middle attacks. Notifications might be used to let the user know what's happening and backups can be made of the deleted certificates. The ethical conclusion is drawn from the purpose of the end result software, not the action of deleting certificates. — Sebastian-Laurenţiu Plesciuc 5 mins ago
Oh god
 
@PolymorphicPotato You are playing mc without me?
:8
 
7 mins ago, by sehe
@Jefffrey Wut? http://www.andre-simon.de/doku/ansifilter/en/ansifilter.php
Note that's a link to "ANSIFilter"
 
I some how wrote "supporting them" as "supporttheming"
 
@Jefffrey No, he's substituting for Harrison Ford, because he was feeling a bit ill and the director wanted to go on shooting the next Indiana Jones
 
@sehe I find this one to better suit my needs.
 
10:30 AM
@sehe Don't give them any ideas.
The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was already too much.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have no idea what you are on about. There are only three Indiana Jones films. ಠ_ಠ
 
Oh, I don't know any India Jones film.
Are they good?
:P
 
¬_¬ I despise you sometimes.
 
hey robot
what do you think of optional<T> : T&?
 
Sounds like it breaks LSP.
 
10:33 AM
hm
admittedly, if the optional is null then you have unchecked access, but I was going to offer that anyway
otherwise, I don't see how it breaks LSP
 
Yeah, otherwise.
 
fair enough.
I was thinking of things like if (opt := cond).
this is a lot cleaner if you can just roll with opt directly.
 
@Jefffrey No, I'm looking at my map.
I don't play Minecraft at work.
No OpenGL.
 
holy fuck, work unblocked imgur
I can see
I CAN SEE
 
Xeo
s/see/procrastinate/
 
10:43 AM
@AlexM. It is likely admin mistake and the sight will be take away again. :)
 
you have no idea how bad SE is with half of its content appearing as broken images
@VáclavZeman nah I asked hardware a while ago and it was supposed to be unblocked two weeks ago
for some reason they only did it today
I never thought to ask why it was blocked
 
@Xeo fap ftfy
 
Ell
@Puppy what operators will you allow overloading on?
I think overloading on . would be kewl
 
Xeo
that would probably wreck shit
 
Ell
if abused :P
 
10:58 AM
@Ell Currently, the overloading is fairly similar to C++'s.
 
@Ell Everything that can be abused will be abused. The question is just how much. ;-)
 
Hey guys, sorry for getting in the middle. But if any of you are geeks who are really interested in science as a whole, check out this new Area51 proposal Scientific Imagination, and how it is supposed to be like.
 
hey guys, terribly sorry for getting in the middle, but PLEASE LET ME SPAM YOU WITH IRRELEVANT SHIT.
 
Ell
gahhh CORS, why won't you let me do thisssss
 
PARTIAL FUNCTION SPECIALIZATION IS NOT ALLOWED
WELL FUCK YOU TOO C++
<headdesk>>
 
Xeo
10:59 AM
function specialisation sucks anyways
just overload and stop whining
 

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