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11:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't see no quotation marks there.
 
lol at the upvoted answer
"I really don't know the answer, but I'll post something anyway" ;0
 
A proven way to get some rep.
It's like with human interaction. "I don't know if I'm making sense but I'll speak anyway." It's the ones remaining silent that lose the game.
 
lol
 
Oh man I'm gettin all philosophical now.
Time for anime.
 
@StackedCrooked Oh dear - you need to sober up.
 
11:05 PM
@EtiennedeMartel so?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It wasn't a quote.
 
It really feels like English Language & Usage is basically "please help me find this word"
 
@MartinJames I'm only at my second 50cl can.
 
@EtiennedeMartel so?
 
@StackedCrooked empty can rattles the most :)
 
11:06 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's it.
 
@BartoszKP Yeah!
 
> "Intellectual property forms the foundation of our business," ZeniMax CEO Robert Altman said.
I knew they were just a bunch of lawyers.
 
Welcome to the US =/
 
@EtiennedeMartel What? IP forms the foundation of basically every single technology firm.
@EtiennedeMartel that's what? you haven't said anything of relevance yet
 
user3010322
11:10 PM
Zenimax said its got trade secrets in Oculus Rift.
 
@ThePhD Yes; they allege that Carmack is violating his NDA and prior employment contract.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Zenimax is a publisher.
 
@Borgleader What, they are afraid?
:D
 
@Rapptz Yup--been that way for quite a while. They've been trying to fight it, but with limited success at best.
 
wow, Crytek is making a moba too
 
user3010322
11:11 PM
The article didn't mention Carmack at all.
 
@EtiennedeMartel They own iD, which is not a publisher.
 
@Griwes i have no clue, i dont think they lawsuit makes sense
 
@ThePhD Yes it did.
lern2read
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was talking about Zenimax.
 
user3010322
Oh, last paragraph after the quote.
 
11:11 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, and Zenimax own iD, which is not a publisher.
 
mobas are the new tower defense
 
user3010322
Huh.
 
@Borgleader I mean, the lawsuit probably means zenimax is afraid that it will lose some money to Oculus or something.
 
wait, isn't a moba a tower defense game by default?
 
11:12 PM
The suit is based on actions of a former iD employee. It's about iD, not Zenimax, fundamentally.
 
I mean you attack and defend towers
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, but Zenimax are the ones filing the suit. id has nothing to do with this.
 
@jandrese @ID_AA_Carmack I concur with @Bethblog. zenimax does in fact own john carmack's living brain
 
@Borgleader Problem solved then. Might as well just send the lawyers home.
 
@Griwes Why would they? afaik zenimax is in the business of making games and is not part of an effort to make a competing VR product
 
11:13 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Jesus, do I need to say it again? Zenimax are the parent company of iD.
It's their IP, legally; it was developed at iD, which they own. Because Zenimax are the parent company of iD. They own iD. They are its parent company.
@Borgleader That rock you've been living under must be comfortable
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What does it change? My original point is: Zenimax are lawyers.
 
@EtiennedeMartel sigh
I'm going to go to bed now and hopefully you'll all be less stupid tomorrow
sweet dreams <3
 
Such dodge.
 
Pointless telling you for a sixth time.
 
I don't even get what's confusing
 
user3010322
11:15 PM
Well, Carmack's statement means nothing.
 
Did you guys read the article?
 
user3010322
It doesn't matter if the code was reused. If the algorithm/technique was patented and he rewrote something like it from scratch, Oculus is pretty much in the wrong.
 
Yes.
Carmack was contracted to Zenimax. Because he worked at iD. Zenimax is the parent company of iD.
 
what's the patent for?
 
If he violated the NDA that relates to his work at iD, then he violated a contract with Zenimax.
 
user3010322
11:17 PM
Zenimax have not stated.
 
"They're lawyers" is just a retarded and useless way to describe the situation.
 
user3010322
Which is what makes this case dubious.
 
The legality of patenting algorithms is being decided atm.
 
The one of the court cases of Google v. Oracle and a few beforehand gave precedent that algorithms couldn't be patented.
 
11:18 PM
It has nothing to do with patents
 
patented or copyrighted
 
No. Fuck me. It's about Carmack potentially violating his NDA and employment contract with Zenimax. Which is the parent company of iD.
 
I'm mostly replying to ThePhD, which you also agreed to.
 
user3010322
We can't see the NDA or what trade secret Carmack violated (because... it's a trade secret! Crazy).
 
user3010322
So we can't tell if Carmack actually did violate anything.
 
11:19 PM
I did say "yes" to that, didn't I? I was being too loose.
 
Carmack left id shortly after joining Oculus VR.
 
@ThePhD And why should we? We are neither the jury nor the judge. Frankly, it's none of our fucking business.
 
So iunno
 
user3010322
I know, but I'm curious.
 
nods
Me too
actually no I've just realised I honestly don't give a flying fuck
really going now - early start. Take care chaps :)
 
user3010322
11:20 PM
I'm actually wondering if it's possible for an NDA like that to bind you beyond the course of your employment.
 
bb
 
(of course it is don't be silly - wouldn't be very much use if you could just quit your job and get out of it)
((argh))
 
user3010322
(Sorry. :P)
 
user3010322
(( Technically, Microsoft still has me under NDA about some of the things I worked on))
 
user3010322
I SHOULD START TALKING ABOUT THE WONDERFUL THINGS I DID.
 
user3010322
11:21 PM
I can't even put the vague secret project name on my Resume.
 
@ThePhD NDA typically has a length of terms
 
user3010322
"Forever" ?
 
How to find out an artist's greatest hits? Like this
 
don't think so
 
11:22 PM
o.o holy shit
 
user3010322
@Borgleader What did it eat?
 
looks like a tortoise
 
@ThePhD from the shape id say a turtle
 
@StackedCrooked The example would work better if you used the name of an actual artist instead of Micheal Jackson.
 
Damn you.
 
user3010322
11:23 PM
What I don't understand, though,
 
user3010322
is how Zenimax could make that claim.
 
Hey I spelled it correctly.
 
user3010322
Carmack only started working on Oculus recently. Other than that, Oculus was developed from the ground up (?) by people outside Zenimax's and iD's influence
 
@JerryCoffin You mean like Katy Perry?
 
user3010322
Unless Carmack DRASTICALLY rewrote all the existing Oculus code (and changed the hardware?), it'd be hard to say that because Carmack is there suddenly Oculus just decided to adopt every single one of iD's "trade secrets."
 
11:25 PM
@StackedCrooked It displays popular videos. Wouldn't really call it "greatest hits". More like "flavour of the month"
 
@Rapptz Yeah.
However,
"Black or white" isn't exactly flavor of the month.
 
your search history always shows up first
 
on chrome it only shows that one for some reason
I switched to IE because I already clicked the "get in the van" one and it showed up as history
 
lol you are the nervous type
 
this is my favorite song by him youtube.com/watch?v=nI0ocFuea_s
and this is 2nd favorite: youtube.com/watch?v=wthgd_Rg1qg
 
11:30 PM
@AlexM. I don't think I've heard those before.
 
I like most of the album really
I think it's well balanced
 
I think "Black and White" is a great song.
I'm so mainstream :)
 
@Rapptz I don't get it...
 
@StackedCrooked It is stupidity
 
11:34 PM
cursive not allowed or something
 
@false it's just a flaw in the educational system we don't know how to fix yet
kids that know too much for their level actively hurt those who don't if they're being treated differently (in a good way)
 
I can’t tell whether you’re being funny or not
 
can't help you there
 
Too smart for public education
 
no
too smart for the group the child is in
geniuses should have their own groups
 
11:38 PM
I actually only recently discovered this song. And I really like it.
 
I'm not talking about the picture here
I kinda dropped it along the way
I'm just generally referring to those that are way smarter than the others around them, in schools
 
I remember blasting that song on mic when playing CoD4 for lols
good times
 
in rare cases it can motivate others to reach their level
but in most cases it just spawns envy and makes others think they're worthless
 
And in this particular case, it’s cursive
 
@false I already said I dropped the picture
 
11:40 PM
I know
And I’m just saying
 
I think the decision taken by the prof in that pic is absurd, because it's something trivial
but it's in the same category as other less trivial matters
 
Since when did std::sqrt() throw an exception on a negative value? I thought it returns NaN?
 
since never
 
@Mysticial It throws not a number.
 
the behaviour you're experiencing is non-standard
 
11:43 PM
Oh wait...
ahaha, I'm an idiot.
I misread something.
 
Actually, NaN wouldn't be appropriate for complex numbers.
 
@StackedCrooked Katy Perry might qualify as the product of a good (makeup) artist, but doesn't strike me as particularly gifted (at least not musically).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You should probably mention you use submodules in the README of nonius.
 
11:58 PM
Subtrees are nicer than submodules
 
in theory
 
In practice, too
 
You have to remember a bunch of different commands that are unique to subtrees.
I didn't like it
was really annoying to work with imo
much more annoying than submodules, esp. considering git has been trying to improve the whole submodule thing so they're as terrible anymore.
 

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