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10:00 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Then how would you denote overloading on rvalue or lvalue?
rvalue references are worthless if you cannot overload on rvalue or lvalue.
 
Dunno. I'm not the one designing a new language. But, then, neither do you seem to be. :(
 
some parts of C++ are broken, and others are not.
some of the perfect forward stuff I feel can be kinda broken
but the more basic rvalue ref usages are not broken at all.
 
the vast majority of C++ is broken
 
although Wide did simplify that model a bit
 
gdgd
How's your CV coming?
and don't tell me you like space indentation
 
10:02 AM
sent it off to the recruiter in a fit of rage last night
I have a response but I've not read it yet
 
"You have got to be kidding, right?"
 
also I totally do like space indentation :P
 
"Are you some kind of troll?"
"Is your name really 'Puppy'???"
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think I need them yet. Maybe when I'll grow older. :)
 
ah well
I've still got three weeks of medical stuff left so if the recruiter doesn't like it I've got time to tweak it before I need to send it off to anyone else.
 
10:06 AM
@DeadMG been there...
 
so
my coworker just reimplemented Maybe chain
using checking of last line of output that all functions write to and is passed around
 
3
Q: Fully specialized class as template function parameter

Martin VymazalI have written two different container classes, which have the same interface but use different member data and algorithms to operate on their members. I also have a template function that takes a container and does some useful calculation: class Container1 { // implementation here }; class C...

am I the only one who think that this should be closed? ^
 
out += fun_a();
out += fun_b();

if (last line of out == "FAILURE") return failure
 
@FredOverflow Ah well, what's the worst that can happen, he calls me a cock and flips me off for wasting his time?
 
@DeadMG So... read it yet? ;)
 
10:09 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit christmas came earlier @ScarletAmaranth /cc @Borgleader @melak47 @ThePhD
 
user3010322
....
 
user3010322
That's christmas to you?
 
user3010322
That's what woke me up?
 
user3010322
Your children are gonna be some bitter ass mother fuckers. <_>
 
10:12 AM
@ThePhD did you watch the video?
 
user1804599
Coool shutil.which. <3
 
@Jefffrey Are you writing anything specific right now?
 
@BartekBanachewicz A simple backup system, that I'll probably use for minecraft. (yes I know they exists already, but just for funzies).
 
@Jefffrey in Haskell?
> Adaptive remeshing allows to concentrate resolution
around the crack tip (c), and coarsening the mesh immediately after
the crack has formed (d)
 
Yup.
 
10:16 AM
@Jefffrey cool.
 
@BartekBanachewicz early*
 
user3010322
Dandy
 
user3010322
10:18 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Whispering to the compiler is sexy.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wow.
 
Does @ThePhD really prefix his type names with arbitrary characters for no reason?
 
user3010322
No!
 
XThat's zreally bsad o:(
 
user3010322
10:20 AM
Heeey, I said No!
 
Then what's the R in RVector for?
 
user3010322
There's 2 Vectors. :c
 
py'mean, "ONo!"
@ThePhD That's not an answer to the question.
 
user3010322
So I partitioned them into TVector[#] and RVector[#]. :c
 
"Hey, why do you have a cow on your head?" "Because there are like billions of heads in the world, man."
 
user3010322
10:21 AM
That's why the R is in front of it!
 
Neither does that
 
user3010322
:c
 
Not only are you not using namespaces for this task, but your naming scheme is entirely meaningless and arbitrary. Why?
 
@ThePhD do you use LPCWSTR conventions too
 
ogood ione rbartek
 
user3010322
10:22 AM
TVector[#]<T> : RVector[#]<T> : detail::RVector<RVector[#], T, #>
 
That still explains naught.
 
user3010322
I explained this somewhere before...
 
Xeo
Why are there two Vectors in the first place?
 
You named TVector after..... the name of its template parameter?
 
10:23 AM
lol
 
user3010322
Nooo
 
user3010322
Arwhjdakwd
 
Then after what?
 
@ThePhD no, m_icwphandle_ptr
 
This conversation might be abusing amusing if it weren't so sad
@ThePhD No, you didn't.
 
10:24 AM
Well dunno if we should cry over his code
 
14 hours ago, by ThePhD
@minitech However, it should be noted there are 2 distinct types for the data. One is RVector#<T>, which is a unionable, PoD-type. The other is TVector#<T>, which is a non-unionable, default-constructable type. The default for the engine is using Vector2 = TVector2<T>; and the like. The detail::RVector<TVec, T, dimensions> is just the core implementation that uses CRTP to enable swizzling for .x, .y, .z, .w (and .xy, .xz, etc.) syntax.
 
Might as well laugh at it
 
This is the closest you came.
 
user3010322
Oh, you found ti before me.
 
Not really "found it"; I started this conversation because I was reading it and was wondering how you could be such a fucktard
2
 
user3010322
10:25 AM
Because I wanted to be.
 
@FredOverflow No, I went and gave the dog a scratch :P
 
user3010322
Obviously.
 
10:26 AM
ugh
 
I think that's @Lightness 's "I can't stand terrible code" sense kicking in. I would know.
 
Xeo
Hmm, Unconference in roughly two weeks
 
R stands for "unionable" and T stands for "non-unionable".
 
I clicked on the email and then reflexively opened a tab so that I wouldn't have to see the contents.
 
10:26 AM
@Xeo correct
 
Xeo
We should do a Barbeque with the star-viewing thing
that'd be cool
 
I'll state for the record that any type can be used in unions.
 
@Xeo hopefully the weather will be as good as it is in Gdańsk now
 
Xeo
ye
 
user3010322
When you're using a good compiler.
 
user3010322
10:28 AM
That's not VC++.
 
Xeo
Robot, add "a barbeque in some park or so" to the list
 
damn I can't compile this fracture simulator because boost
why did I delete boost again
 
Oh, so R stands for "can be put in an union in VC++"
When I put it like that, SCARY is not such a bad acronym.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Obviously
 
user3010322
10:31 AM
It wouldn't fit in a union on GCC either (unless you have unrestricted unions using C++11).
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit are you coming to the unconference? I don't see you on the arrivals list but you're in on wiki
 
So the R comes from "eitheR"!
 
Xeo
lol
3 mins ago, by Xeo
Robot, add "a barbeque in some park or so" to the list
 
I'm on my phone. At work. At a barbecue.
 
Xeo
10:32 AM
pff
excuses
 
I'll do it.
 
good robot.
 
Thanks for the reply



In normal circumstances, there wouldn’t be much we can do with out an in depth CV, however due to your situation, I am more than willing to go out on a limb and take your profile down to Bloomberg.



Could you please just give ma a brief description of some technologies and functions you are most familiar with/prefer (ie multi-threading, OO, Linux, Windows etc?) as well as any particular areas of business/programming you would like to move into.
 
We are touched ... you are at a BBQ, yet you remembered to message and tell us about it :')
 
better than I expected I guess
 
10:34 AM
@DeadMG nice!
 
user3010322
@DeadMG Out of.... sheer curiosity, what does your final CV... actually look like?
 
terrible and bad.
but hey.
he doesn't seem to grasp that there's nothing more to be said about me, though.
 
> as well as any particular areas of business/programming you would like to move into.
he literally asked you what you'd like to do.
 
Xeo
tool programming!
 
yep
although
it still amazes me how every email and the prospect of replying to every email from these guys manages to make me feel like total shit every time.
 
10:37 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I still want to and I've said yes, but haven't made any practical arrangements to make it happen.
 
ah whatever
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit come on, might be one of the few chances to meet in person
 
the worst that can happen is that nothing comes of it.
 
buy the tickets
 
@DeadMG lol Bloomberg
run away
 
10:38 AM
eh
employment's employment, I need to get experience under my belt.
and money.
 
Xeo
Bloomberg > Nothing
 
@BartekBanachewicz Got a bunch of admin things to do; it's on my list
 
Xeo
Especially in Puppy's situation
 
but, and no offence, it's not top priority on my admin list
@Xeo well I didn't mean actually run away
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thank you for setting up a reminder! We'll spam you everywhere until your task is complete.
 
10:39 AM
@BartekBanachewicz bah
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm well aware of Bloomberg's bad rep w.r.t. recruiting
 
Xeo
He'll have a second chance at the 2nd Unconference, though he likely won't come because it's happening at Cat's place.
 
I just meant ugh trading
 
@Xeo is it?
 
10:40 AM
ah well
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Of course!
 
@Xeo does Cat know? :D
 
Xeo
(It will soon be a fact, we just need to repeat it often enough)
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz He doesn't have a problem with that idea, at least
Or he doesn't seem to, anyways
 
10:40 AM
yeah, if it doesn't involve him leaving his basement...
okey so this boost thing
where is the install button
what can I doubleclick
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm neither.
 
Yeah trading is also the reason I constantly ignore Bloomberg's attempts to contact me.
 
BTW why isn't @Jefffrey on any unconference lists
you are neither coming, nor not coming, nor undecided.
 
He never said anything, I guess.
 
I'm not either I believe
 
10:43 AM
Put me in the no.
 
@Jefffrey :'(
 
Next one, almost promise.
 
gosh it's unzipping at 1MB/s
are we back in 1992
and it's an SSD lol
seriously.
 
Xeo
Millions of small files
 
I guess we're back to my idea from yesterday
'cept even better
I mean semantically aware code databases are a thing since smalltalk
but since smalltalk is an useless piece of shit...
I'd like to write something like that for fun
for an easy language like Lisp or Lua
 
10:46 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I'll bring a six-pack and contact lenses.
 
Es ist heiss draussen. I need to buy not-hugeass headphones.
 
@MartinJames and lube
don't forget the lube
 
I believe they are called small headphones.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :)
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I should probably do that too :(
I really love 'em when it's cold, though.
 
10:49 AM
How do we do a BBQ? Use those one-shot disposable thingies?
 
they are easiest to set up and clean up I guess
 
Xeo
probably
 
Error 1 error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'taucs.h': No such file or directory
now what's that
 
0
Q: If, else if, statement

user2523188may i know how to put a code below ? i tried my code as below if ((value A == Z) && (value B ==X)) { this.value = "Y" } but the code is for value a & value b if match the same value in a same time, only become value Y. how to put a "or" between value a and value b ? either value ...

 
ow
 
10:52 AM
hai guis, how do i or
 
stretched mah neck
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Try 'pics.h'
 
> TAUCS is a C library of sparse linear solvers.
 
'Es wird geprüft, ob JAVA in Ihrem Browser aktiviert ist. Bitte haben Sie etwas Geduld ...' fuck that.
 
> JAVA
BTW I told you like a year ago that we should switch lounge to german once in a week
 
Xeo
10:54 AM
JAVA Ain't Very Awesome
 
by now all unconference members would speak fluently
at least about template metaprogramming
BTW what's the general opinion here about Cilk?
 
Some other Lounger can investigate BBQ spots, someone with Java enabled. I guess that's a pretty short list.
 
ugh
fuck visual studio
why the fuck do I need to add $(ProjectDir) to include paths by hand
why
 
@Xeo That's the site throwing error messages, (for me, anyway:).
 
Xeo
10:58 AM
Ow
kay
What about the image itself?
Just for a rough location check
 
god VS is such a piece of useless crap
 
@Xeo That's fine - it's just when I try clicking on the dots. I don't really mind where, I guess nearest to robots' scope site would be best?
 
C++ is such a PITA to build
and even if you build it, chances are the code won't even run
 
@BartekBanachewicz It is usually in defaults, unless you have deleted the defaults somehow.
 
wait how that went
> What problems exactly do modules solve?
 
Xeo
11:03 AM
@MartinJames Hm, that'd be somewhere on the west side, the two dots that are close to each other.
 
Is there an unconference V2.0 in Poland already set up?
 
Xeo
In our heads
 
@Xeo Rodolf-Mosse-Platz/Preubenpark?
 
Xeo
ye
Those seem to be the closest spots
 
11:06 AM
OK, I'll look 'em up on Google maps.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz hahahahaha
 
@Xeo that's what you get for using VC9 that accepts that kind of crap (no idea how that compiled)
@Xeo seriously in another file it fucked up again even though nothing from std was used (using namespace std; still was there though)
 
@Xeo Preußenpark has a U next to it.
Konstanzer Str.
 
See you all later, I guess.
 
watiss this?
 
11:15 AM
aww
Seriously, though, I'm still waiting for the meta post from some confused SO denizen, asking why some comments have "🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌" appended to them.
 
user3010322
Already been asked.
 
lolwut? you can't call repwhore a repwhore?
well try r.e.p.w.h.o.r.e then
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
@Jefffrey it's a good answer but
I think jQuery.DeMorgansLaw() would have been better
 
user3010322
11:17 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Get fucked. :D
 
or you can go deeper - write "you're so much like me"
 
This is related:
3
Q: Comments with lone surrogates behave unexpectedly

R. Martinho FernandesSo, I had to stand up for my beloved bananas, and show how some piece of code failed to deal with them. Said code would transform a banana into a lead surrogate inside a span tag, followed by a trail surrogate inside another span tag. For example purposes I wanted to paste the bad result in a co...

Ah, here it is:
33
Q: Bananas in comments?

nneonneoOn this question, I'm seeing bananas in two of the comments: Am I going bananas?

 
@AlexM. lel
This sort of monkey business is not at all appeeling. — Josh Caswell Mar 7 '13 at 18:44
 
@ThePhD I've sent an email to maintainers about that.
 
"Yes! We Have No Bananas" is a novelty song by Frank Silver and Irving Cohn from the 1922 Broadway revue Make It Snappy. Sung by Eddie Cantor in the revue, the song became a major hit in 1923 (placing No. 1 for five weeks) when it was recorded by Billy Jones, Arthur Hall, Irving Kaufman, and others. It was covered later by Benny Goodman and his Orchestra, Spike Jones & His City Slickers, and many more. It also inspired a follow-up song, "I've Got the Yes! We Have No Bananas Blues", recorded by Billy Jones and others in 1923. History The song is usually attributed to a banana shortag...
 
11:21 AM
actually... eh
I just wrote to professors of some other university about the things they have there
why can't my university have such projects?
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's what you get for using namespace std;
 
grr
@LightnessRacesinOrbit, do you talk about my code or my question? The code is kind of inflated. That's because I was lazy — user2699453 47 mins ago
 
Y'all know that I'm going to have to go shopping for bananas now?
 
Yeah me too. Need banana on my corn flakes.
 
yay building boost
so fun
... not.
 
11:24 AM
Hmm, corn flakes? What cereal did I used to put bananas on? Can't remember now...
 
0
Q: How do you bind C++ member methods and member variables with the Lua C API?

relaxokAll the googling I've done so far has turned up things that are very close but just aren't quite cutting it for what I'm trying to do. Let me describe this in the most basic way possible: Imagine you have a C++ class class A { public: int Method(); int Variable; }; Now imagine you in...

another victim
@Lightness he explicitely said he doesn't use/want to use a library
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm mostly trolling for the purpose of tag correction
Don't take my comments so literally
LOOK UNDER THE SURFACE
AND SEEEEEEEEEE
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he wants to expose C++ classes using C API. I think you're off here. (i.e. the tag fits)
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think you're right
off like a spoilt banana
the real troll is that DeadMG now looks like he's making nonsensical comments to the OP :D
 
...patience...
...patience...
...patience...
...patience...
...patience...
 
11:30 AM
did everybody just get suspended, or something?
 
no
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Belgen zijn gek! powned.tv/nieuws/buitenland/2014/05/…
 
ugh more precedence/evaluation confusion
0
A: Pre-increment operation in C

princeThe code you have written inside parenthesis of if is called an expression, the expression evaluation always follow operator precedence rule, considering the given expression 1.++ operator has highest precedence so ++gameOverTick is evaluated first as (gameOverTick = gameOverTick+1) 2.The next ...

 
-2
Q: MVC implementation c++

user3664407want to implement a simple mvc in c++. I know the concept(i worked with the pattern in php) but i can`t figure out how to implement it in c++; This is what i have so far: The model: #ifndef MODEL_H #define MODEL_H class Model { public: Model() {}; ~Model() {}; private:...

lol this is brilliant
look at what he "has so far"
 
@BartekBanachewicz hehe - OK, I've bought some tyres, now how do I make a car?
 
11:36 AM
you know
data A a = A a deriving Show
instance Monad A where (A a) >>= b = b a ; return a = A a
 
Xeo
Identity
 
this is... simple
when you know what you're looking at, it's strangely simple
sudden clarity etc.
 
user1804599
Uh, duh.
 
user1804599
Of course identity monad is simple.
 
user1804599
It's like, you know, the identity monad.
 
user1804599
11:40 AM
Now implement it in terms of an identity matrix.
 
I am hacking around something else
 
"Honey - I blew up the code" :(
Now rebuilding my delivery without debug symbols and debug DLLs.
 
there's an extension needed for instances with constraints right
 
user1804599
Jawohl.
 
... what was it?
 
user1804599
11:44 AM
I don't know.
 
uh
nooo
it was restricted monad I ned
> -XDatatypeContexts is deprecated: It was widely considered a misfeature, and has been removed from the Haskell langu
age.
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz using is a misnomer; it seems many programmers are not even aware that it is perfectly possible to use a name from another namespace without using it, i.e. via explicit qualification.
 
<interactive>:6:54:
    Illegal type signature in instance declaration:
      return :: Show a => a -> A a
    (Use -XInstanceSigs to allow this)
    In the instance declaration for `Monad A'
there's an app extension for that!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit printStatus("GAME OVER!!! The evil DarkLord was defeated"); :D
 
lol haskell is so good at defending consistency
I am literally trying to break the code and it won't allow me to do it
 
11:52 AM
Have you tried unsafePerformIO?
 
Yes, that's what I'm trying to do right now.
and it still fights :D
 
It just doesn't get much safer than Haskell :)
 
instance Monad A where (A a) >>= b = b a ; return a = System.IO.Unsafe.unsafePerformIO (do print a ; undefined) >> A a
nope
it "only" breaks on print a but still
oh sorella replied to me
anyway halp
how do I break Monad
what about logging
 
Logging doesn't make much sense in a lazy language.
 
It's not about sense
it's about puzzles
 
11:57 AM
you don't make sense in a lazy language
 
your face is what
 
ah right it's not C++ so you won't understand
anyway whatever I do would impose restriction on Monad I guess
MonadWriter requires Monoid
hmm what if I created my own logging context
 
would it be conceivable to use WebGL and HTML5 canvas to make something like the carousel in this site, but with more interactive features? us.blizzard.com/en-us
 
@Crow maybe, but WebGL for that is an overkill
 

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